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Gnarwhal sizing - did I make a mistake going with Large?

I was between a Medium and Large Gnarwhal and ended up buying the Large. My thinking was that I wanted a slightly comfier fit for general/all-around use and multi-day trips, and that I might eventually pick up a Mage for more performance-focused padling.

What I didn’t really consider at the time was that sizing up also means a larger hull, not just a roomier cockpit/fit.

Now I’m wondering if I made the wrong choice. For those who have paddled different Gnarwhal sizes, how noticeable is the difference in hull size and performance between the Medium and Large? Will the Large feel significantly worse on whitewater when you are within the height requirement for both sizes?

Would you stick with the Large for comfort and multi-day use, or would you exchange it for a Medium?

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u/Django_Reinhardt_ — 1 day ago
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On the border between Kazakhstan and China, there is the Kara-Kaba River — wild and unpredictable. We fished and paddled packrafts down the river. What an incredible experience!

u/YelenaRoz — 3 days ago

South of Padjelanta – Across the mountains form Norway to Sweden - Trip Impressions

Hi there,

I recently came back from my last and to date most epic but also toughest solo trip ever and wanted to share some impressions with the packrafting community. The trip had everything from glaciers, high mountains, swamps, birch forests, rapids, waking up in the clouds, all 4 seasons of weather in a day, wildlife to almost endless fields of blue- and cloudberries. I came up with the idea for this trip about 2 years ago after I had purchased my Packraft and completed a first trip. Researching the route and especially finding a time window however took it´s time.

I started at Lomivatnet (near Sulitjelma, Norway) crossed the Sulitjelma mountains along Salajiegna– and Stuorrajiegna Glacier, went up into Miehttjevagge, Paddled the lake System around Ravejavvre, hiked down to Tarraätno which I paddled down to Kvikkjokk (Sweden).  I used 4 days along the way to do side hikes up the mountains including summiting Fierro and Sibbatjahkka (17^(th) century silver mine near the peak). In total I spend 16 days in the mountains. This area is really off the beaten track so I wasn´t surprised to not meet or see anybody else on the first 12 days of my trip until I reached Sammalapparstugan on Padjelantaleden. The small shop of the hut was also my only resupply option along the trip. I had planned to paddle Lomivatnet but due to the strong headwinds I decided to hike around it. Apart from this I paddled all the lakes and some rapids along my route. I portaged anything that looked like class 4 and above as well as all the waterfalls.

I have no information of anybody else ever going this route with a Packraft. For the paddling part I only found 2 youtube videos and some superficial reports of (partial) descends of the Tarraätno river by Packraft or Whitewater kayaks. However, they all chartered a helicopter to fly in and it only covered the last ~3 days of my trip. For the hiking parts I found a bit more information but the hiker’s / mountaineer’s routes were very different from mine as they hike mostly across the mountains and head for the few places you can ford the rivers. Hence, I put the route together the old school way by drawing lines on maps, scrapping information together with google translate, and studying satellite imagery. In the end I had a preferred route and a lot of options to shorten or lengthen it depending on weather or other circumstances. The time window for this trip turned out to be extremely short. The mountain lakes in the area are known to be still frozen till mid/late July with some satellite photos showing them half frozen even early in august in some years. Snowfall is also not uncommon in summer. Luckily, I was blessed with mostly good weather and only saw fresh snow cover at higher altitudes on my last days on the trip and not while being at those altitudes a few days before.

I used around 15km of marked trails near the start and end of the tour, the remainder was off trail. I could have finished the route a few days faster but with the exploratory nature of the trip and the unpredictable weather in the region I was happy to have some slack time along the trip. In the end I was not there to win a race but to enjoy the incredible nature up there.

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u/PackraftingGlaciers — 3 days ago

Into the Wild 🌲 Packrafting the Kara-Kaba River in Eastern Kazakhstan — wild mountains, crystal-clear water and pure adventure. Remote. Untamed. Unforgettable. 🏔️

u/YelenaRoz — 3 days ago

Alpacka Mage: Is 420D Worth It Over 210D?

Hey everyone,

I’m thinking about ordering a decked Alpacka Mage but I’m torn between the 210D and 420D tube fabric.

Alpacka lists about a 1 lb weight difference, but I’m curious how noticeable the difference is beyond just weight. Does the 420D feel more rigid or perform substantially better in whitewater? And how much additional durability does it actually provide in real-world use?

I’m also wondering about the downsides. Does the heavier fabric increase packed size a lot?

I’ll be using it primarily for whitewater, but still want it to remain reasonably light packable for longer backcountry trips / expeditions.

Would especially love to hear from anyone who has used both 210D and 420D on the Mage, Gnarwhal, Mule, or other Alpacka builds. If you’ve tried both, which would you choose again?

u/Optimum_Adventures — 5 days ago

Most compact WW packraft?

I'm looking for a packraft to use for some paragliding/packraft trips. The rolled up size is the biggest constraint for it to fit in my harness. So what would be the most compact packraft ideally with the following other requirements:

-capable of at least class III whitewater.

-internal storage, enough for my paragliding gear (wing + harness) and camping gear

-ideally has a skirt.

Seems like the Alpacka expedition is probably what I'm looking for but curious if anyone knows of a more compact option?

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u/poopman-mcpoopman — 5 days ago

Single- vs Double-Sided TPU for Packrafts – Does It Actually Matter?

Hey everyone,

I’m curious what people’s experiences have been with single-sided vs double-sided TPU in packrafts and how much a difference it actually makes in real-world use?

I’ve noticed packraft tube fabrics range pretty widely. I've seen around 40D on ultralight boats up to 420D+ on more durable models. And then I've also noticed some companies use different reinforcements or fabric constructions, such as Kevlar, with their blends.

What I’m especially interested about is double-sided TPU. My assumption is that it adds weight and packed bulk, but potentially improves durability, rigidity, water resistance, or longevity.

For those who have used both: have you noticed a meaningful durability difference? Does double-sided TPU make the boat noticeably stiffer or perform differently? Does it hold up better to abrasion, pinholes, or long-term wear?

I'm also wondering in general how important coating construction is compared with the fabric denier itself?

Would especially love to hear from anyone who has put both styles through a lot of whitewater or backcountry use.

u/Independent_Junket47 — 9 days ago

Fishing Packraft

Hey everyone,

I’m looking for a packraft to take to remote lakes and ponds in the Adirondacks. Most of these ponds are on the smaller side and have calm water.

For my needs, is it worth buying an alpacka or kokopelli? Or can I get away with something like the Aquaglide Backwoods Expedition 85 1-Person Ultralight TPU/Nylon Kayak?

I want to save some money, but am worried about buying a dud and then spending more on a quality one shortly after.

Thoughts?

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u/Ok-Raspberry-5126 — 10 days ago