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Why are we STILL on this?! Have none of you been cheated on?! I have. You likely have been cheated on. Does that suck?! Yes! You all are acting like bc John is the lead singer of a band that this is a deplorable inexcusable action, LIKE YOU'VE NEVER FUCKED UP BEFORE?! Good lord get a grip!!!!!! It is so creepy and weird that so many of you are like "yeah this is where I draw the line" Yall have got to move on from this. We have a president thats a felon and SAd women but yes let's absolutely crucify John for a mistake. This entire thread has become unbearable and i blame so many of YOU. You think other artists of other bands you like haven't cheated?! Fuck off. And im not excusing the behavior, guess what? I've been cheated on way more than I wish but people do shitty things! I swear to fuck if you all don't start shutting up soon im out. Zoe, I'm sorry. I've been a fan for 20 years, I cannot begin to image the pain you are feeling. I am not discrediting any of your posts bc you get to react to this pain exactly how you choose to. All I am saying is this sucks. None of us as fans wanted this either. But it happened. So figured out a way to deal with it as a fan or move the fuck on. Let them figure this shit out on their own. You all realize how much harder you're making it for them by blasting off on all platforms?! Please please just consider that people, ALL OF US, make mistakes. Really bad ones. The beautiful part of life is there's a chance for forgiveness and if that doesn't happen, then it's a hard lesson learned. Life is hard. Life is not easy. Love is hard. Love isn't easy all the time. Please everyone, stop fucking talking about it. Touch some grass. Fuck it, smoke some and chill out. I'm done with this Fandom. You've all made this entire thing into some personal offense like it's your life being ruined. Don't worry, I'm prepared for all the negative comments. Anyways. 💜💛❤️💙

I love PTM and John Gourley. But the two concerts I’ve been to, the tribal acknowledgements and cold opens, the Free Palestine banners and Stop the War… it’s all kinda feels like virtue signaling now doesn’t it? I mean, we’re all kinda garbage people. Where is the sacrifice in hanging a banner or displaying support for tribal rights? It’s very little right? But keeping a family together, doing the right thing and having hard discussions with, perhaps a partner you no longer love or care about? I mean, it’s cowardice and kinda shitty. But why hurt or do hard things when I can just “Bible thump” about it? We all do shitty things. We’re all kinda selfish. Signaling means nothing. Action, real sacrifice means everything.

The first thing I would like to do is acknowledge the pain and sadness that Zoe and John must be feeling right now. I feel sad for BOTH of them.

Based on the comments in this subreddit, it seems like there are a ton of people who feel disappointed by John's actions. I think part of the reason why so many people feel disappointed is because John has been such an ally to vulnerable communities, and some people feel like his infidelity is not in alignment with the message he has been spreading throughout the years.

There are countless comments in this subreddit from people who are claiming that they will no longer support the band because, "John is a shitty person and a fraud". That brings up an interesting question: Does John's infidelity define who he is a person?

Well, let's look his actions over the years. As of lately, Zoe has been claiming that John had an affair with someone who was part of the touring band. Yup, that is a pretty shitty thing to do and it sounds like it caused a lot of pain and suffering for Zoe.

At the same time, John has used his platform to create REAL change in the world. His activism has raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for vulnerable communities and people. Not only that, but he has also personally connected with so many of us over the years. There have been numerous times on this very subreddit where people have expressed how they were suicidal, and John has connected with them through DM's. He has also taken the time to meet so many of us in person, even though we all know how he has suffered from "crippling social anxiety" throughout his life.

It seems like people have forgotten that ALL of us have done some really great things in our lives, and also some shitty things too. I believe that this is what makes us human......most of us are trying to be a positive influence in the world, but sometimes we fuck up. I mean, even Martin Luther King Jr. made some big mistakes throughout his life. He is one of the most important human beings to ever live, and at the same time, it was widely known that he was unfaithful to his wife. Does that make him a shitty human being?

All that being said, I look forward to hearing what the PTM community has to say.

prob the wrong time to be asking this and i’m guessing they would have said something by now if they weren’t, but with this going on at the same time as Muse’s new album being released, the question has been on my mind. kind of sucks that this whole thing will seemingly be brushed under the rug while john and dani get to have fun opening for a big rock band.

im watching a lot of posts lately about some break up, can someone fill in the loop please?

thank you

Genuinely curious

This is none of our business, but if y'all gonna post about it every day:

-Stop slutshaming John.

-Stop with the sassy 'revenge' posts and the screenshots, it gives revenge porn

-Stop acting like religious extremist priests, we know Zoe's father is a priest, but suddenly she wants to act all religious and monogamous and moral and spiteful. Suddenly rock and roll is bad and his friends are bad.

-Stop doxing his friends, lovers, and his personal sex life, he is free to do whatever he wants, don't tell him what to do with his body

-Stop bringing the kids into it, a respectable parent doesn't air out private dirty laundry on social media, the way inviting such gossip impacts the kid and their friends and their town

-"Lovers in Love" is about being in love with multiple lovers, suddenly y'all wanna act surprised