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Topic for discussion: is it folly to adapt Robert E. Howard 100% faithfully?
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Topic for discussion: is it folly to adapt Robert E. Howard 100% faithfully?

REH was a pulp writer and a world-class pro at selling to that market.

His stories are perfect for the pulp format.

But in adapting his material to any other medium, I think that being faithful to the concept and the spirit of the original work is more important than a slavish, note-for-note transcription.

When I started adapting “Jewels of Gwalhur” as a series of storyboards, I quickly found out that complete adherence to the text was just not going to work for the audio-visual medium of live-action streaming.

In the sample I've shared here, art by Miguel Guzman, you might spot that even this early in the adaptation, I've made a change.

Can you see in this shot how I've already deviated from Howard's story?

Purists might bristle at any change in the master's canon, but purism can hog-tie an adaptation.

If you want a deeper look at my adaptation of "Jewels," and my view on comics in general, it'll be here:

https://charlessantino.substack.com/

u/No_Prior5108 — 2 days ago
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Robert E. Howard Film Canon (Current Master List, with analysis under the 5️⃣4️⃣ film titles)

Okay so I’m gonna get this horse-choker list outta the way first — it’s gleaned from Robert E. Howard’s letters, and covers films from 1923-1935, but currently is organized alphabetically.

Most of these are likely new to you except for the Marx Bros items; I myself only recognized ten or so from these 54 named films, and have seen even fewer of them.

Open question/ask: if any of these films ring bells or spark memories, will you please tell us in the comments? 😊

Abie’s Irish Rose (1928)
Animal Crackers (1930)

Back Street (1932)

The Benson Murder Case (1930)
Billy the Kid (1930)
Brass Commandments (1923)
The Bridge of San Luis Rey (1929)
The Canyon of Light (1926)
The Cocoanuts (1929)
The Cossacks (1928)
A Dangerous Adventure (1922)
Darkened Rooms (1929)
The Delightful Rogue (1929)
The Desert Bridegroom (1922)

The Desert Song (1929)

The Doorway to Hell (1930)
The Front Page (1931)
Go and Get It (1920)
Hearts in Dixie (1929)
Hell’s Heroes (1929)
Heroes of the Street (1922)

Hold ’Em Jail (1932)
Hook, Line and Sinker (1930)

Horsefeathers (1932)
The Informer (1935)
In Old Arizona (1928)

The Invisible Man (1933)

The Iron Mask (1929)
The King of Kings (1927)
The Last Parade (1931)
The Letter (1929)

Little Caesar (1931)

The Loves of Casanova (1927)
The Mark of Zorro (1920)
The Mighty (1929)
The Pilgrim (1923)
Queen of the Night Clubs (1929)
Rags to Riches (1922)
The Red Dance (1928)
Rob ’em Good (1923)
Robin Hood (1922)
The Sagebrusher (1920)
Scaramouche (1923)
Shipmates (1931)
The Singing Fool (1928)

Skyscraper Souls (1932)

The Story of Brownwood (1928)
The Tempest (1928)
The Terror (1928)
Thunderbolt (1929)
Tong War (1929)

The Virginian (1929)

What Price Glory? (1926)

Wise Girls (1929)

The Wizard (1927)

Women of All Nations (1931)

END OF LIST 🛑

As for comments on these, now that I’ve had a week or so to process and examine the actual quotes surrounding the findings I’ve made…….

I’m gonna go a little outta order, and make no apologies for the rambling cuz I’m doing this from my phone.

I have not seen either BRASS COMMANDMENTS or THE WIZARD; both of those and possibly others on the list are Lost Films.

LITTLE CAESAR leapt out as the most ‘popular gangster film’ on the list, but there are some others here which are not canonized but seem worth watching soon.

I watched SKYSCRAPER SOULS a few days ago and was both shocked and emotionally moved by it. I would not have sought it out if not for Howard’s impassioned quote about it.

I’m discounting the four Marx Bros movies since they are widely seen and known, it’s cool that Howard ranked them but he doesn’t describe the actors or scenarios in more detail.

THE VIRGINIAN is one of those ultra-classics I have not seen but know of. Howard’s quote on that was pretty intense, and I’ll share it sometime soon.

ABIE’S IRISH ROSE rang a fuzzy bell, Yog-Sothoth only knows why. Howard panned this film but said it has good actors, which is an interesting distinction.

THE INVISIBLE MAN of course. One of the few where I’ve seen it directly.

THE STORY OF BROWNWOOD is a local production about Brownwood, TX, and may not survive because it is a small production ‘company’ of some sort, rather than a Hollywood produced film.

I’m seeking out some of these others and sharing the links 🔗 (see elsewhere on this sub!) but am saving BACK STREET for idk when I’ll have the spoons 🥄, because REH said “I wept bitterly” at the melodrama. So apparently it was well handled but emotionally draining.

Are any of those or others here familiar to you, gentle readers and watchers?

Watchfully and sincerely,
L. Theobaldus III

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u/GrandpaTheobaldus — 9 days ago
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Color concept frame from my storyboard adaptation of "The Jewels of Gwahlur."

Treatment by Charles Santino, storyboards and color concept frames by Miguel Guzman. I'll be posting the entire adaption on Substack: https://substack.com/@csantino

u/No_Prior5108 — 12 days ago

'Kull the Conqueror' is a pretty good movie. I enjoyed it.

What did you think? I know the critic reviews are kinda low, but I thought it was decent enough having not read any of the stories.

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u/KilianAlvine — 9 days ago

Westerns (especially Breckinridge Elkins stories)

Any love for REH's westerns? I've found these quite hard to get ahold of in a physical reading edition - it's all 650 page hardbacks/beautiful multi-volume dust jacketed sets at collectors' prices or bodged-together 200-character-wide doorstops.

After reading Mountain Man in the best format I could find, I liked it enough that I ended up taking the Wikisource texts and typesetting them myself just to get a decent readable paperback to beat up. There ended up being lots of little quirks to these stories that make them difficult to typeset with a simple Python conversion of the text (strange language, OCR errors, ...). I'm also finding that Wikisource occasionally disagrees with Gutenberg Australia's editions. I'm editing them by hand as I read and trying to get something high quality, but am only ~100 pages in.

In case they're useful to people I've marked these versions (including my work) as being in the public domain and uploaded the PDFs ready for print. I'm also planning to find some quality public domain art to use for covers and release the LaTeX source files under some permissive license.

... also just happy to discuss the stories if anyone has thoughts/favourites to look out for.

u/jxanno — 12 days ago