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Latin phrases in Savage Detectives Ch 20

Just for fun, with some LLM help, I drafted translations of the latin phrases dropped by Xosé Lendoiro in Chapter 20. I might go back and get all the attributions.

Lupo ovem commisisti You have committed the sheep to the wolf
Alter remus aquas, alter tibi radat harenas One hand will row the waters, the other will graze the sand
noli pugnare duobus Don't fight two people
Unde habeas quaerit nemo, sed oportet habere No one asks why you have it, but you must have it
Hoc erat in votis This was petitioned
In petris, herbis vis est, sed maxima verbis There is strength in the rocks, in the grass, but most in words
Paulo maiora canamus Let's sing a little older
incipit vita nova A new life begins
Vive valeque Live and be well
ius est ars boni et aequi right is the art of good and fair
libertas est potestas faciendi id quod facere iure licet liberty is the power to do what is lawfully permitted to do
nescit vox missa reverti He does not know how to return the message
In publicis nihil est lege gravius: in privatis firmissimum est testamentum In public nothing is more serious than the law: in private the testament is the most solid
legum omnes servi sumus, ut liberi esse possimus We are all slaves to the law, that we may be free
Verae amicitiae sempieternae sunt True friendships are eternal
Invidia ceu fulmine summa vaporant Jealousy or thunderbolts evaporate
natura maxime miranda in minimis nature is most admirable in the least
Qui amat periculum in illo peribit He who loves danger will perish in it
Mortalium nemo est felix No mortal is happy
felicitas cui praecipua fuerit homini, non est humani iudici The happiness to which man is most important is not for the judge of man
Otium sine litteris mors est et homini vivi sepultura Idleness without literature is death and burial for a living man
facta, non verba deeds, not words
Non progredi est regredi Not to go forward is to go back
Homo fervidus et diligens ad omnia est paratus A warm and loving person is ready for everything
Patientia vincit omnia Patience conquers all
Stultorum plena sunt omnia They are all full of fools
occasiones namque hominem fragilem non faciunt, sed qualis sit ostendunt for opportunities do not make a man weak, but show what he is
Quot capita, tot sententiae So many heads, so many sentences
Rumores fuge Avoid rumours
addito salis grano with the addition of a grain of salt
Vita brevis, ars longa, occasio praeceps, experimentum periculosum, iudicium difficile Life is short, art is long, opportunity is swift, experiment is dangerous, judgment is difficult
In se semper armatus Furor Fury always armed within himself
O quantum caliginis mentibus nostris obicit magna felicitas Oh, how great happiness puts a cloud over our minds
supremum vale last goodbye
Discat servire glorians ad alta venire Let him learn to serve, boasting to come high
Fortuna rerum humanarum domina Fortune is the lady of human affairs
sine dolo without guile
sine ira et studio without anger and ambition
Errare humanum est, perseverare autem diabolicum To err is human, but to persist is diabolical
vis esse iracundus? Ne fueris curiosus do you want to be passionate? Don't be curious
Mille modi Veneris A thousand ways of Friday
Magna res est vocis et silentii tempora nosse It is important to know the times of speech and silence
Post vinum verba, post imbrem nascitur herba After the wine the words, after the rain the grass grows
Prima cratera ad sitim pertinet, secunda ad hilaritatem, tertia ad voluptatem, quarta ad insaniam The first bowl belongs to thirst, the second to cheerfulness, the third to pleasure, the fourth to madness
Amor tussisque non caelatur Love is not a cough
Qui non zelat, non amat He who is not jealous does not love
Amantes, amentes Loving maniacs
dixit he said
Emere oportet, quem tibi oboedire velis You must buy what you want to obey
O cives, cives, quaerenda pecunia primum est, virtus O citizens, citizens, the first thing to be sought after is money, virtue
post nummos behind the money
Pro peccato magno paulum supplicii satis est patri For a great sin a little punishment is sufficient for the father
Homo totiens moritur quotiens emittit suos A man dies as often as he sends his own
Odero, si potero. Si non, invitus amabo I hate it, if I may. If not, I will love unwillingly
Quantum quisque sua nummorum servat in arca, tantum habet ei fidei As much as each one keeps his money in the box, so much does he have faith in him
Vilius argentum est auro, virtutibus aurum Silver is cheaper than gold, and virtues are gold
Plus augmentantur rumores, quando negantur Rumors are amplified when they are denied
non olet does not stink
Sequitur superbos ultor a tergo deus The proud avenger follows behind the god
Numquam aliud natura, aliud sapientia dicit Nature and wisdom never say otherwise
Non aetate verum ingenio apiscitur sapientia Wisdom is not acquired by age, but by intelligence
Urget diem nox et dies noctem It is pressing day and night and day and night
In se semper armatus Furor Fury always armed within himself
nil sine magno vita labore dedit mortalibus He gave nothing to mortals without great labor
facies tua computat annos your face counts the years
Interdum lacrimae pondera vocis habent Sometimes tears have the weight of a voice
amor odit inertes love hates the idle
Insperata accidunt magis saepe quam quae spes The unexpected happens more often than the expected
nemo in sese tentat descendere no one tries to descend into himself
Nihil est annis velocius Nothing is faster than years
Ingrata patria, ne ossa quidem mea habes Unpleasant country, you don't even have my bones
periturae parcere chartae to spare the perishable paper
Contemptu famae contemni virtutes The virtues are despised by the scorn of fame
Venenum in auro bibitur He drinks poison in gold
ex abundantia cordis os loquitur out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks
Qui fodit foveam, incidet in eam He who digs a pit will fall into it
Etiam periere ruinae He also perished in the fall
Imperitia confidentiam, eruditio timorem creat Ignorance creates confidence, learning creates fear
Olet lucernam He smells the candle
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u/ay_yeh_oh — 3 days ago

After reading both in English...

I found a decent book shop whilst visiting Madrid and instantly spotted these. I grew up bilingual and its been a while since I got to use my Spanish properly. For those that have read the English and the Spanish language editions, or those that maybe struggle with one language more than the other, how much harder is it, and how different does the prose and general writing/flow come across in the intended language?

Update: I'm not that far in, as I was 3/4 of the way through The Crossing when I purchased it, so took a quick break to read around 20 pages of 2666. The flow is much better in Spanish which seems to be the main difference, and there is definitely more of a rhythm to it than the translation. Aside from the occasional noun that has escaped me as time has passed, the first 20 pages or so have been relatively straightforward.

u/ManInCripplingDebt — 11 days ago
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Struggling to get into 2666

Hello guys,
After finishing East of Eden last week, I decided to start reading 2666 by Roberto Bolaño. After 120 pages I keep in asking myself if it is actually worth keeping on, or better said, if it actually gets better. The first novella was more or less a 7/10 until now with some gaps and as I understood from other forums, the next story should be the worst among the 5.
Is it worth to continue? To be honest, I will keep on reading , considering the positive reviews and Bolaño’s literary strength. The only thing I am most curious of, is if it will get more tense with the time.

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u/Strict_Chicken9910 — 14 days ago

My take on 2666

As the summer holiday reached its midpoint, and I found myself at my deepest point in the hammock of idleness, I finally embarked on the project of reading 2666.

What surprised me most wasn’t its scale but its momentum. At over a thousand pages I expected something dense and exhausting, but instead it feels almost compulsive. Bolaño just keeps telling stories, then stories inside stories, and somehow it’s incredibly difficult to stop reading even when you have no idea where any of it is going.

One thing I kept wrestling with was the temptation to interpret everything. Is this symbolic? Does that scene mean something? Eventually I felt the novel itself was resisting those questions. It almost seems to ask: why should everything point to a hidden meaning? Why must every recurring image become a metaphor? I found 2666 much more rewarding once I stopped trying to decode it and simply accepted the uncertainty. I think one must approach it as a post modern work defying modern literary conventions.

What stayed with me most, though, was how often the novel builds toward anticlimax. The critics’ search. The detectives following endless dead ends. The boxing match that receives pages of buildup only to end in a couple of sentences. Again and again, people dedicate themselves to projects that dissolve into nothing. I couldn’t shake the feeling that this might reflect Bolaño’s own suspended existence while waiting for a transplant. Whether consciously or unconsciously, the novel seems haunted by lives placed on hold.

The central theme, for me, was evil. Not just the spectacular evil of the murders, fascism, or war, but the mundane kind. Two critics beating a taxi driver for reasons they barely understand. A mother visiting her imprisoned son. Ordinary people slowly adapting to horror until it becomes part of the landscape. I don’t think Bolaño is trying to explain evil so much as show how frighteningly ordinary it can become, and how easily societies, and individuals, learn to live beside it.

Ironically, I found Part IV less shocking than hypnotic. The repetition almost anesthetized me. At first I wondered why Bolaño would narrate case after case in such a relentless fashion, but eventually I began to think that numbness was the point. By the end, I wasn’t just reading about a society desensitized to violence. I had started to experience a version of that desensitization myself.

The scene I keep returning to isn’t one of the murders. It’s Ingeborg walking into the mountains at night, overwhelmed by the stars and the realization that all the light surrounding her comes from the dead past. It’s one of the most beautiful passages I’ve read in years, and it somehow belongs perfectly in a novel otherwise saturated with brutality. Another standout is Amalfitano and the geometry book, hanged to dry to see how well it handles reality. That is just genius.

I’m curious whether anyone else noticed the pattern of anticlimax throughout the novel. I don’t see it discussed nearly as often as Part IV, but by the end it felt like one of the book’s defining rhythms.

u/robinjamesdr — 14 days ago

Meeting the women who inspired The Savage Detectives

I’m early in my Bolaño journey: started last month with By Night in Chile and it blew my mind, now on Distant Star.

Came across this Substack from an author researching and writing a Bolaño biography, he’s in Mexico meeting some of the real women who inspired characters in The Savage Detectives.

https://open.substack.com/pub/aaronshulman/p/bolanos-mexico-city-50-years-later

Sharing as it feels like some of you Bolaño-it-alls might enjoy

u/newfatherhood — 14 days ago