r/throneandliberty

As we know game is supposed to be melee, magic, range, + tank, dps, healer. (with ever class having counters)

However, evasion causes cc to miss which is just superior to endurance. Greatsword also just can build hp and more hit chance than other classes.

It is also easier to build range and magic evasion and when considering high focus not giving melee evasion and dagger giving magic and range evasion. It would seem evasion is not meant to counter melee.

So it seem melee + evasion beats range and magic. Magic deal damage to tanks. And range are just less good assassins. GS dagger seems to do it better with less risk and dies less than cbow dagger and infiltrator. Now if all classes have a pocket they all can get kills.

Now the question is with less hit chance in the game we end up see more melee especially if you include tanks. However IF everyone has to build hit chance does that make endurance easier to build and be useful? So if everyone build 5k-6k hit they will have less crit and heavy which should make it possible for endurance players to counter hit builds. The question is endurance doing enough? I have been noticing that endurance does not feel like it does much with how much damage in the game.

So is evasion the best and enabling people to build endurance more easily or is there too much damage and endurance is just dead? I personally as an evasion rav. Feel like my cordi just makes it so I can go full evasion + hit +heavy and still more than enough damage. Daggers give me stealth and smoke screen. I feel like there need to be something to counter the 1300 evasion im getting from the 2 piece set.

I know this is a stupid rant and I’m preaching to the choir - at least give me a cp capped style BG so I can progress at whatever slow rate but still hop in on some viable PvP from time to time. The rest is TLDR and in the past I would of disagreed with myself, maybe my schedule no longer permits staying halfway competitive in an mmo

I love this game but damn. Played a ton in t2 and was relatively competitive but I’m having trouble keeping up, i only have 2-3 hours a night I can play

I’ve spent each evening over the last week trying to be efficient as possible and only gained a total of 2.5 lvls on my watermark. Been stuck on 60 accessory for three days, ran all my dungeons, used contracts. Then I said screw it I’m going to use my saved mats and level up my skills. It cost 90mil Sollant for 17 yellow Omni books. I get cost of parchment but the sollant? Now I can’t afford a single trait on upgrading cordy due to sollant cost.

There are just so many road blocks to an end game build right now that with my luck and availability I’ll always be behind when the next upgrade comes out, and with the watermark about to go up again I’m cooked.

I’m running tumgr twice a day with saves stones and getting about 2 cores every 3 runs. It’s the only thing that feels like a fun challenge to beat time but even then I’m terrified of opening my first resin flower and getting nothing.

Even if I had time to play more this end game progression loop is like going to the grocery store coming home and going back over and over again hoping some day you’ll have enough money to buy an oven…….

Opened 6 accessory boxes without gaining a level and been getting armor on my epic dungeons

Playing for a week and feeling like you progressed backwards after sollant cost and bad rng on a resin box has absolutely killed the vibe. Somehow I feel like maybe I’m just unlucky as streamers seem to be able to play 5 classes, but maybe the accepted grind time in nix is way higher than I think is fair.

Now roast me :)!

i lowk only hear bad stuff but i thought now that AWS is gone, maybe the game is gonna change into a better direction in the future and i wanna hop on

Make blessed barrier also increase Skill healing over time received, not just healing from wand skills, its almost like the devs forgot -.-

txs that is all (its not, seeker was nerfed to the ground)

make seeker great again

I participated in Rise Before Ramux and got the rewards, but I still think its implementation was terrible for new players.

T&L keeps talking about better catch-up, yet this did the opposite.

Before, a new player had to catch up with veterans who had months of progression.

Now:

New player → catch up with veterans + players who started just a 3 weeks earlier

That's the absurd part. The difference in when these players started can be just a few weeks, while the difference in progression boost is enormous.

And the core problem is simple:

Catch-up should be based on PLAYER STATUS, not CALENDAR DATE.

Someone starting today is further behind and needs catch-up more than many of us who received the event rewards. Yet they get less help simply because they started a few weeks too late.

That's completely backwards.

Rise Before Ramux should have been an onboarding system available to new players for a limited time after they start, not a one-time progression window.

If T&L wants new players, they need to believe:

"If I start today and put in the effort, I can eventually compete."

Not:

"You should have started last month."

That's not catch-up. That's another barrier to entry.

And sure, you can enjoy the advantage we got from the event, but eventually you'll have all that gear and fewer and fewer people left on the map to use it against.

Hi all I'm a returning player. I play dagger GS. I used to pvp a lot but I do like pve too. I left around the time runes were introduced. I have done the main story and got to 60 and using the gear the story gave me for the time being.

Should I be grinding for actual end game gear or going for a inbetween gear if that makes sense?

Also where has up to date builds these days? I used to use maxroll I think it was called.

I'm a little overwhelmed with all the new stuff and a little lost as to how to progress gear wise

Thanks for the help in advance

Has anyone else noticed a drop in the drop rate of skill cores since the patch? I felt like previously I'd get at least between 1-3 skill cores every 2 runs of Tumgir but after doing 6 runs yesterday I got nothing, I also felt like I'd get at least a skill core from the Elite dungeons at least 1 in every 3 I ran but again since the patch I've run all my Elite dungeons and have had none

There's certainly a chance that I've just been giga unlucky but wanted to see if anyone else has been experiencing this or not

*Edit: Side note, I think the bosses that spawn every 4 hours should guaranteed drop each participant at least 1 resin core so that at least every 90 bosses you can craft a Rubrix Resin Flower

As the title suggests how do i break through this wall? there is only 2 dungeons i can run which drops gear like 1 or 2 levels higher then my lvl 45 gear, which makes inheritance a costly and slow way of doing it. all other dungeons require 7k to run. im doing weapon mastery as much as i can and equipping higher level runes each time. What are my best options right now or am i doing it all already? thanks to any and all that offer help and advice for this

I think NCSoft should buff Greatsword more for BGs, because the way it is right now, it feels extremely weak.

I believe the fact that GS Cordy hits much harder in BGs because of the HP buffs DPS players can get + the amount of Global Evasion this class can stack + having a lot of survivability, damage, and Hit + the recent buffs they received, including Guillotine charging 25% faster, is still not enough.

What if we just allowed Ravagers to play BGs?

Sorry for the tilt, guys. Classic reaction from any game with a decent amount of PvP where you just got absolutely destroyed LOL...

Jokes aside, I just saw a Ravager, with no healer or tank in the BG, getting top kills without much difficulty, and the guy simply would not die. After the match ended, I checked his build and saw that he was using Melee Evasion on every possible rune slot. His weapon, rings, everything had 3 Melee Evasion runes, plus Melee Evasion artifacts, Melee Evasion resonance, literally everything possible.

Okay, but what exactly is the problem with that? Maybe there isn't one and this is completely normal, but I'm playing a magic class with 4.2k Hit. Shouldn't I have at least a decent hit rate, like 50% or more, against someone like this?

I mean, he literally invested everything into Melee Evasion, and still, only around 10% of my combo actually landed on him.

Dear Devs: Please keep the nerfs going on GS, Spear, SnS and Gauntlets, they are too OP on Small Scale and keep buffing Staff so it can be the best Weapon in both Small Scale and GvG-ZvZ content aswell, thank you.

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Hi new to the game looking for tips and people to play with. Love rolling healers or tanks

I’m new to spell Blade and I’m not sure what the new T4 gear is. I’m running a hit build but I see some people doing crit and I’m not sure which one is better for PVP. I feel like I don’t do enough damage right now. What is the t4 spellblade build

As thé title says I'm An aspirine returnee, I played a lot during tier 1 and 2, and managed to get my hands on a bellandir spear and a cordy greatsword. Participated in thé first warhame tournemant in EU, and after that Guild disbanded, friends quite. Became a dad,.... Etc... I enjoyed thé game a lot then, played almost 1000+ hours. Currently I would love it come back, but thé remarks about thé game are quite mixed... Increase in p2w, more and more rng etc... I would like to experience thé game on a more casual level, but still beeing able to do all thé content i'd like to, thé 12 man raid, world bosses, and some small scale pvp?

I crafted my fifth 90-resin Core Box and, once again, only got the guaranteed core. Ffs add some kind of pity mechanic for this stupid shit. I still don’t have a single core for the build I actually want to use.

Ngl, I’m seriously thinking about quitting and coming back once this is fixed because this feels like a huge waste of time.

Remove entirely or significantly reduce the Rng to progress if the Devs want this game to survive in the West. This slotmachine like game feature is killing the game.

Devs can make it harder to grind (3x resins to create a box, lower drop of watermark equip, etc), but once achieved, make it count. Otherwise, ppl are frustated, and then exhausted, and then they play less, and then they just quit.

Think a littlr bit more Devs: It is not that hard to understand.

NC FirstSpark is really cooking for Q4 Updates? 👀

Friends, it’s been about two years since we started this journey. It genuinely worries me how incompetent most of you still are after playing for this long.

You complained that builds were gatekept. Now they aren’t, and you still make some of the worst builds I’ve ever seen.

You cope by saying hardcore players’ builds are too expensive and that you could never make them, yet you refuse to grind efficiently. Not to mention that plenty of strong builds are dirt cheap and easy to put together.

So many of you are still somehow incapable of raising your watermarks, despite how easy it is and how many guides have been made. You could have reached 80 in two weeks without grinding more than two hours a day.

“Spear is broken,” “xbow is broken,” “greatsword is broken,” “bruiser crusader is broken”(anyone claiming that is so far down the food chain that they look up and see the bottom), “dagger is broken.” Every class is supposedly broken, yet you cannot perform on any of them.

Tanks and healers, even in some semi-hardcore guilds, still have no idea what their skills do. Crusaders with no buff duration, low hit chance, and 10000 endurance should be tried as war criminals. You are useless and contribute nothing.

To the people who roll dodge in PvP, just uninstall at this point.

To the people who do not even press Q to block,I hope you were never brazen enough to complain about TTK.

Yes, gear matters, but I promise you, even if you were handed all of your BiS gear, 95% of the playerbase would still be as useless as they are right now.

None of you have any spatial awareness. In half the VODs I review, people are zoomed in on the floor.

There is just so much the average player has to work on before they start complaining.

Side note: US servers are full of clowns, y’alls HC guilds would be spawcamped by some mid tier slop EU guild.

Hello,
Got to 72 watermark and started to change my gear.
I realized I don’t really have enghou resonance stones and enchantments stones.
Also I’m missing heroic unlock stones aswell.
Changing some pieces really destroys all your resources.
So where I can farm trait enchantments stones, trait unlockstones.
Also precious crystals, those are a pain tbh.