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We’re All Mad Here
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We’re All Mad Here

"Art is to console those who are broken by life." - “The Artist”

I’ll tell you about “The Artist”, but before you complain about this “long” post- log the fuck off (thanks) or go seek something more your comfort level- like a short and sweet three sentence post. This is not for you. TL;DR? Perfect, that was the point. For those who read through, it might be worth your time. No promises.

Light

As I keep learning and growing, one lesson stands out: share your light.

By “light,” I mean the knowledge, experiences, habits, and little discoveries.

What works for us might help someone else too. A mindset shift, a lesson learned, or even a few words at the right time can make a difference.

You don’t have to be perfect or have everything figured out to share. Just share your progress, your perspective, and what you’re learning along the way.

You never know who might need exactly what you’ve discovered.

Female Resilience

Her name was Johanna Bonger, and her story is one of quiet resilience amid the chaos of grief. In January 1891, her world shattered. Her husband had died at just 33, leaving her alone in a dim Paris apartment with a newborn son named after his uncle, a man whose legacy she suddenly found herself burdened with.

An Inheritance of Shadows

She inherited over 200 paintings, dozens of drawings, and hundreds of letters exchanged between two brothers. To the world outside, this inheritance felt more like a burden than a gift. Friends and acquaintances urged her to leave the paintings behind, some even suggesting the unthinkable—destroying them. An art dealer callously offered to strip the paint from the canvases, dismissing the work as the ramblings of a madman.

But Johanna refused to let the world’s judgment dictate her actions.

A Defiant Journey

At just 28, with her infant son cradled in her arms, she packed every painting and letter and returned to the Netherlands, settling in the quiet town of Bussum. There, she opened a guesthouse, not merely as a means of survival but as a canvas to showcase the art she believed in. She adorned her walls with these neglected masterpieces, transforming her home into a vibrant gallery.

As she immersed herself in the 902 letters exchanged between the brothers, a profound understanding blossomed within her. These were not the scribbles of a deranged artist; they were the reflections of a deeply sensitive soul, one who perceived life through a unique lens. Johanna recognized that the paintings and letters were inseparable, each illuminating the other’s significance.

A Voice Rising from Silence

Johanna, fluent in Dutch, English, French, and German, took on the mantle of advocate. She wrote to critics, organized small exhibitions, and sent the paintings to galleries across Europe. Each effort was met with skepticism, as male critics often dismissed her as an emotional widow who couldn’t grasp the complexities of art. One prominent figure even accused her of elevating her brother-in-law to an undeserved pedestal.

Undeterred, she forged ahead.

Over time, her relentless passion began to shift perceptions. Exhibitions grew in size and significance, critics softened their stances, and collectors became intrigued. Johanna sold the paintings strategically, always ensuring they were showcased in prominent places where they could capture attention.

A Revelation Unfolds

In 1914, she accomplished something extraordinary—she published the letters in three volumes. Suddenly, the world could hear the artist’s voice, rich with doubts, deep affections for his brother, and a vision that transcended his struggles. The “madman” transformed into a relatable figure, and the art world began to recognize his brilliance.

That same year, Johanna took another poignant step by relocating her husband’s remains to rest beside his brother in a serene French cemetery, a testament to an enduring bond.

Legacy and Light

By the time Johanna passed away in 1925 at the age of 62, “the artist” she had fought to reveal was now celebrated across Europe. That artist was Vincent Van Gogh.

Her son later founded the Van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam, which opened in 1973, ensuring the legacy of his uncle would not only endure but thrive.

Vincent painted the stars, but it was Johanna who illuminated their significance. Sometimes, the true masterpiece lies not in the artwork itself but in the unwavering spirit of someone dedicated to ensuring its legacy shines brightly for the world to see.

Ya see, Vincent van Gogh was called "mad" during his lifetime and became the defining historical example of the "mad genius" archetype. Neighbors in Arles, France, nicknamed him "le fou roux" (the redheaded madman) and signed a petition against him following severe mental health crises, including the infamous incident where he mutilated his own ear.

After his breakdown in 1888 and hospitalizations, local townspeople in Arles grew frightened of his unpredictable behavior, leading to police intervention and his eventual stay at an asylum in Saint-Rémy. It is here, at the psychiatric asylum that Van Gogh painted The Starry Night.

If you’re not familiar with The Starry Night, look at the image above, maybe you’ve seen it, maybe you haven’t- maybe you don’t even care, or you’re wondering…What in the fuck does all this matter in relation to BTME?

Ya see, Vincent Van Gogh was a passionate en plein air (outdoor) painter. He preferred working outside directly from nature to capture the blazing light, vivid colors, and raw energy of the French countryside, braving intense sun, wind, and rising tides to paint in situ (on site). The proof is in the pudding, several years back art conservators found a dead grasshopper - caked behind impasto paint.

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2017/nov/08/dead-grasshopper-discovered-in-vincent-van-gogh-painting

Oh yeah, my point…Vincent Van Gogh was intimate with nature. Or as Justin put it…

“Respect Mother Nature: She’s not just a pretty face; she’s a force to be reckoned with. Learn her moods before you try to dance with her.” In The Grizzly Gathering, he describes it like this: “The WEATHER painted a scene worthy of Van Gogh, if Van Gogh had ever captured Montana’s wild heart” (Emphasis Mine).

Obviously, J Money is NOT talking about a particular Van Gogh painting here. BUT you would be hard pressed to give me a better example of Van Gogh painting weather than The Starry Night…It shows the view from his east-facing window just before sunrise (dawn) with an added village, but strangely enough, this painting was NOT painted in situ, he painted it indoors in his daylight studio rather than outside under the night sky.

I’m trying to tell you this motherfucker knew the weather. Vincent van Gogh's painting The Starry Night is not an actual storm, but scientific studies show that its turbulent, swirling brushstrokes accurately match real-world fluid dynamics and atmospheric turbulence, such as how energy moves through storm clouds. Researchers analyzed the painted sky and found that 14 swirling shapes match Kolmogorov's mathematical theory of turbulence.

Boom. Fluid dynamics. I’m not sure where you are in solving Justin’s poem, maybe the first stanza is a throw away stanza for you, but I promise it’s not. As the article above states, “researchers think he was able to successfully capture the sky’s turbulence because he was a talented artist and a meticulous OBSERVER of nature” (Emphasis Mine). As I said above; These were not the scribbles of a deranged artist; they were the reflections of a deeply sensitive soul, one who perceived life through a unique lens.

Let’s look at a few things Van Gogh said about painting:

In a letter written to Émile Bernard in April 1888, Van Gogh expressed his desire to paint the night sky, and questioned whether he could achieve his intention by painting from nature as the Impressionists did:

“The imagination is certainly a faculty which we must develop and it alone can bring us to creation of a more exalting and consoling nature … A star-spangled sky, for instance, that’s a thing I would like to try to do … But how can I manage unless I make up my mind to work … from imagination?”

AND as he wrote to his sister, Willemien Van Gogh, “It often seems to me that the night is even more richly colored than the day, colored with the most intense violets, blues and greens. If you look carefully, you’ll see that some stars are lemony, others have a pink, green, forget-me-not blue glow. And without labouring the point, it’s clear to paint a starry sky it’s not nearly enough to put white spots on blue-black.”

AND finally to his brother Theo, “Looking at the stars always makes me dream, as simply as I dream over the black dots representing towns and villages on a map. Why, I ask myself, shouldn’t the shining dots of the sky be as accessible as the black dots on the map of France? Just as we take the train to get to Tarascon or Rouen, we take death to reach a star.”

I’m not exactly connecting the dots for you here, I hope you see that- it’s on purpose.

Beauty in turbulence…in the cycle of nature. Acceptance. In short, enantiodromia. Enantiodromia is a psychological concept that an extreme state eventually turns into its opposite. When an emotional state like deep pain is pushed to its absolute limit, the unconscious mind builds up a counterforce, allowing joy, relief, or a renewed sense of life to break through.

Emergence of Light

Just as night peaks before dawn, a deep descent into darkness can clear the path for unexpected hope, gratitude, and joy.

Here’s real footage of Justin talking about this concept:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jF56zOFYjvw&ra=m

That’s obviously a joke, here is the actual Q&A:

Q) What pep talk would you give to a seeker who is very close to either the checkpoint or the location?

A) “I feel like I know who asked this question. At the risk of sounding cliché –  the night is darkest before the LIGHT. And if you are confident in the location in which you’re searching, I see little reason to stray. Uh, but I suppose it really boils down to HOW you’ve built that confidence” (Truth, Logic -unf).

Back to fluid dynamics, have you explored what flows in time? You get what I mean. The first stanza. It invites you to reflect deeply about the nature of time.

Spoiler warning:

I am about to give you the answer to what flows in time- so stop reading if you don’t want to hear the answer.

::Drum Roll::

Fucking, EVERYTHING flows in time.

I can feel your eyes rolling. Before I continue, let’s cover something first:

https://youtu.be/a6he6yrUqm8

As the video above states:

“Archaeology is the search for fact... not truth. If it's truth you're looking for, Dr. Tyree's philosophy class is right down the hall. ... So forget any ideas you've got about lost cities, exotic travel, and digging up the world. We do not follow maps to buried treasure, and "X" never, ever marks the spot. Seventy percent of all archaeology is done in the library. Research. Reading.”

Philosophy is a major study of time, but it is not the only one. Physics studies the physical reality and measurement of time, while philosophy examines what time fundamentally means, how we experience it, and whether it even exists. Better yet, how it is actually defined:

Philosophy is the systematic study of fundamental questions about existence, knowledge, values, reason, and mind. Derived from the Greek word for "love of wisdom," it uses critical thinking and rational argument rather than empirical observation alone to understand the nature of reality and how we ought to live.

In case you missed it, if you want truth- look to philosophy. More about truth in a little bit.

“Truth rests not in clever minds…”

Heraclitus of Ephesus is famous for his belief in flux. It is the idea that everything in the universe is constantly changing. He said, "everything flows," meaning nothing stays the same - it's always moving. Stability isn't real. Instead, our world is a continual process where change is
constant. The ancient Greek pre-Socratic thinker thought that permanence is an illusion and that life exists in an endless stream of becoming. He inspired the river paradox which states that you cannot step into the same river twice. The water flows away and is replaced by new water. At the same time, the person stepping into the river is also changing.

I had previously written about “current” in a now deleted post. I covered the difference between current and flow, where I said “if you see Justin indoors, feel free to call him “Flow”:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DZsmS-RPpMZ/?igsi=MXdzMmduMXY2Y2pkaw==

Justin first stanza is LAYERED with meaning (insert Layer V promo), which I believe was inspired by Heraclitus.

See here: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DZXr-ZCqKvs/?igsi=ajZzNG54YnZzdjZl

The “concept of hiding things and these really profound simple questions that have deep answers…”

Not much of his writings survive, but there are fragments of the ancient Greek philosopher Heraclitus which are packed with deep, hidden, and riddling levels of meaning.

Core Philosophical Themes with Multiple Layers

The Doctrine of Flux (Panta Rhei): The surface layer says "everything flows". The deeper layer means reality is not made of static objects, but of ongoing, changing processes.

The Unity of Opposites: The surface layer contrasts fighting ideas (like day and night, up and down). The deeper layer reveals that these opposites form a single, balanced, and harmonious system. Think enantiodromia. Very Masonic, eh?

The Logos: The surface layer uses the word for speech or account. The deeper layer points to the hidden, universal law or cosmic reason that guides the shifting world.

The Nature of Heraclitus’ Writing

Riddles: Heraclitus wrote intentionally obscure statements meant to be unpacked slowly through personal insight rather than read at face value.

Experience over Explanation: His logoi require the listener to peel back layers of superficial thought to experience the actual structure of reality.

Back to Justin, homeboy is a NERD, just playing, he’s a software engineer.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DaLSbXHKWA_/?igsi=Z3BobHhzcjl6ZTlu

He has mastery of language and code, he has love for the obscure, you can’t tell me he didn’t think deeply on the structure of this poem- but mostly, you cannot convince me he turned off his coding mind.

More specifically, I want to point out that computers turn logical truth into electrical signals (current/voltage): high voltage represents 1 (true), while low or no voltage represents 0 (false). Billions of tiny switches called transistors turn these signals on and off, while logic gates combine them using rules like AND, OR, and NOT to process information and perform calculations.

I’m sure you’re making the connection to all the ones Justin has used? At Seekers Summit, he promised the cancellation of two search states if the “goal” of 1,111 attendees was reached. When asked why this number, he said he’s a busy man and had to pick a number quickly. His post which some claim was a helping hand was posted at 11:11. He also shared the 11th Hour book. I’m sure there’s others but that should suffice, call it a coincidence but let’s take into consideration a few things:

The phrase "eleventh hour" means the last possible moment before it is too late or a deadline expires. Acting at the eleventh hour means doing something right before time runs out.

Origin and History

Biblical Parable: The idiom comes from the Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard in the Bible (Matthew 20). In the story, a landowner hires laborers at various times during a 12-hour work day, with the final group hired at the eleventh hour (just one hour before quitting time). It shows God's kingdom operates on grace, not just human calculation or earned reward. Anyone who comes to God, even late in life or at the last minute, receives the same gift of eternal life.

Remember this?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jF56zOFYjvw&ra=m

So maybe that’s the point: we’re all mad here. We’re all moving through time, turbulence, darkness, beauty, logic, grief, and becoming—trying to make sense of the strange river we’re standing in. Some of us paint it. Some write it. Some code it. Some hide the clues in plain sight.

But every so often, someone sees the pattern.

Johanna saw the light in Van Gogh when everyone else saw madness. Van Gogh saw turbulence and found beauty. Heraclitus saw change and called it truth. And maybe Justin is simply inviting us to look a little closer—to question, observe, follow the flow, and find what emerges when darkness gives way to light.

Truth rests not in clever minds, but in those willing to look.

So keep seeking. Keep questioning. Keep sharing your light.

Because in the end, maybe the real treasure was never the destination.

Maybe it was learning how to see the stars.

“The ultimate puzzle, I discovered, wasn’t one to be solved with a map or a decoder ring, but with an open heart and a willingness to venture into the unknown, embracing the journey for its own sake, with all its twists, turns, and inevitable dead ends.”

I hope this message inspires you to look beyond the surface.

I’ll leave you with some of my notes regarding the last sentence of the last stanza:

Like a river’s steady flow—

In fluid dynamics and hydrology, steady flow means that at any given point, the water’s velocity, depth, and discharge remain constant over time. The river moves, but the conditions at that point remain in balance. Peace?

What you seek, you already know.

In Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, the search for the Holy Grail begins with a question of motive: “Why do you seek the cup of Christ? Is it for His glory, or for yours?” Indy’s answer is simple—he’s trying to save his father. His quest isn’t ultimately about power, immortality, or glory. It’s about love.

The Grail itself is found beside a sacred spring, tied to the promise of water that gives eternal life. But when Indy’s father is mortally wounded, the Grail’s power comes with a warning:

“Choose wisely.”

Surrounded by elaborate golden chalices, Indy realizes that the true Grail is not the grandest one. It is the humble wooden cup of a carpenter—the kind of cup Jesus himself might have used.

The lesson is almost painfully simple: wisdom doesn’t always announce itself as something extraordinary. Sometimes truth looks ordinary.

The false Grails bring death. The true Grail brings healing. And even its power is bounded by the sacred space of the temple; carried beyond that boundary, its miraculous properties fade.

So perhaps the Grail was never really about possessing something magical.

Perhaps the search was about learning how to recognize what was already in front of you.

Like the river.

Like the light.

Like the truth.

What you seek, you already know.

With love,
unf

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Call of River

Many men go fishing their entire lives without knowing it is not fish they are after. —Henry David Thoreau

I took a break from BTME, or at least from trying to decipher the poem. While many of you on Reddit have been preoccupied with putting out metaphorical fires or defending ANY criticism of Justin. I’ve come to accept that these flames are part of the cycle. It’s a complex dance of perspectives, with supporters and critics alike, but ultimately, it’s all part of the natural order.

Fires can help clear dense underbrush and promote ecosystem health by regenerating plants and creating diverse habitats. After all, diversity in thoughts and opinions fuel growth, just as fires rejuvenate a forest. Embracing this diversity enriches our discussions around BTME, reminding us that every perspective adds value, even when it feels like we're stoking the flames.

There is no order without chaos, there is no light without darkness, and there is no apthathy without passion. Some people on here try to extinguish people’s passions, posting comments like:

“Imagine if you put this much effort into actually solving the poem”

Here’s the thing, you don’t get to dictate what participation looks like in this hunt. Sure, your lawyer can send a cease and desist, your friends can ban your opps from their discord, create PR campaigns - but you can’t STOP what people think or communicate. BUT, you can certainly stop reading, stop showing up, stop logging on, stop replying, stop engaging and let the fire of passion burn out. As they say, if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Let me cook. I’m serving golden fish.

The very word "passion" originates from the Latin passio, meaning "suffering" or "endurance," which hints at the notion that true fervor often comes with both joy and pain. This historical connection underscores how our deepest passions can both illuminate our paths and scorch our souls, creating a compelling dichotomy that fuels our human experience. Let me carry my flame to illuminate my path, you can sleep while I explore.

Don’t worry, I’m not here to post any criticism about Justin. Instead, I’ll be doing the opposite. I applaud Justin for creating this puzzle. I strongly believe, Justin’s puzzle carries a message of hope and embraces this dichotomy of order and chaos.

While some of you have been looking to the stars for answers, using pareidolia to guide your quest, or consuming large amounts of American West history - I’ve been focused on understanding Justin. The good, the bad, and the ugly. It’s not to say that those other things hold no merit, but instead of reading the clock time, I’ve dissembled the timing mechanism to attempt to understand why it ticks and while I feel like I’ve made progress, I’m probably just as lost as the rest of y’all, but I’d like to share some thoughts and insights.

To grasp the concept of structure, it's essential to first understand its purpose. In other words, knowing why something was created provides valuable insight into its design and function. So before we look at the poem, let’s outline what Justin has said behind the why. I wrote about this at length in a now deleted post, but let’s look at what Justin says about the “big message.”

During the Deep State interview on X, Tyler asked about the "big message" Justin intended to convey, he outlined five key themes: Grief, A Message of Hope, Living in the Moment, Getting Outside, and Conservation. I believe, understanding these motivations enhances our interpretation of the poem. I’ll provide part of the transcript and try to expand upon it.

X, Deep State Transcript:

Tyler:

What do you think is the big takeaway from your book that you would tell somebody who's like, hey, like what do you want me to know? Like the big message from the book. What would that be? Would you say?

Justin:

No one’s ever asked me that before. Probably a few different things. You know, I think I think part of it is just the feedback that I've received. Is it? I think for anybody who's experienced any degree of grief in their life or, you know, a deep traumatic experience or loss. I hope that I can relate to them. And the book was a way for me to do that. And it was also a cathartic experience. It was a way for me to kind of work through whatever I was working through. You know, part of that book in effect wrote itself. I mean, I was able to bang it out very quickly because I knew what I wanted to say. And there were other chapters that took quite a long time to write and were very painful to do. And that's just the skeleton of the book. There was many more iterations that occurred after that.

But at its core, I wanted to communicate, I think, a message of hope to people and that time and life is precious. And that everyone gets a choice in terms of how you live it. And I hope, my hope is that people will live a little bit more in the moment. And we'll also get out and explore the public lands that we have in our country in the American West. And I think so many people take that for granted or push it off to tomorrow to say someday, you know, I'll make that trip. And sometimes someday never comes. And so I hope that people keep that in mind. And that's been the most uplifting part of the experience for me.

You know, I actually bumped into somebody at a restaurant the other day. And it was a mother and two children. And they had actually never been camping in their life. And this was the first time they had ever gone. And it was because of a treasure hunt. And I thought that was really cool. So I hope people do more things like that and try and seize the day.

His stated reason, purposes:

  1. ⁠Grief: Justin shared how the hunt and his book-writing journey helped him navigate his grief, serving as a form of therapy. He hopes this resonates with others facing similar struggles.

  2. ⁠A Message of Hope: At its core, Justin aims to instill hope. He draws inspiration from nature, as illustrated in BTME by his reflections on fishing: “Those fishing waters taught me more about life than any textbook could—about waiting, about hope, about the quiet thrill of possibility.”

  3. ⁠Living in the Moment: Justin emphasizes the importance of savoring the present. He encourages everyone to avoid postponing adventures or outdoor explorations, as “someday” may never come. He observed how Brandon was “present in a way I was too consumed to notice, watching everything with quiet intention.”

  4. ⁠Getting Outside / Nature: He cherishes stories like that of a mother and her children embarking on their first camping trip, encapsulating the joy of creating lasting memories in nature.

  5. ⁠Conservation: During the Dillon Q&A, Justin became emotional discussing conservation, a significant motivation behind the hunt. During Tyler’s, interview Justin mentioned Annette Lilly Russ, highlighting her efforts to engage more women in fishing and environmental protection. Her legacy as the daughter of Bud Lilly—an avid conservationist and owner of a trout shop in West Yellowstone—underscores the importance of making a positive impact on our environment.

Now that we have purpose, let’s try interpret possible interpretations of the poem with these in mind. Surely, solving this poem takes obsession- it takes deep problem solving, rooted in logic.

In The Obsession’s Oath, Justin says, “Deep problem-solving sends a vibration through your skull, a low hum that builds and builds until your brain feels wired directly to the power line.”

How Poetic.

He’s hinting at, current.

CURRENT

The word "current" has several meanings depending on the context. In physics and electronics, it means the flow of electric charge. In geography, it refers to the steady, continuous flow of water in a river or ocean. In everyday speech, it means happening or existing right now.

Electric current is measured in amperes (amps). Most people know this measurement from everyday items like phone chargers, household circuit breakers, and car batteries. Hydrologically speaking, current is also measured. Hydrologists measure water current (flow velocity and discharge rate) to track water volume movement, manage supply limits, protect aquatic habitats, and prevent environmental damage. Knowing the speed and amount of moving water helps communities save finite freshwater resources. Aka. Water conservation.

In the western United States, the prior appropriation doctrine ("first in time, first in right") grants water rights to the earliest user during shortages. Artificial Intelligence data centers consume millions of gallons of water for cooling, raising concerns among local communities about depleting scarce water supplies and clashing with senior agricultural rights.

Justin says growing up that his friends called him “Running Water”. I’d like to point out that running water is not called current unless it’s in a stream or river, you don’t have “current” in your indoor plumbing, you have flow. So next time you see Justin indoors, feel free to call him Flow.

Flow is the general movement of a liquid, gas, or particles. Current is a specific scientific measurement of that movement, mostly used for electricity as the rate of charge moving past a point, or for a specific stream inside a larger body of water or air.

Let’s revisit Justin quote, “Deep problem-solving sends a vibration through your skull, a low hum that builds and builds until your brain feels wired directly to the power line.”

I submit to you, Justin is talking about current, more specifically a call of river.

In The Treasure Trail, Justin says:

The “Hole held this power over us, this marriage of water and memory where two boys became brothers, where we learned the language of current and call of river.”

Fly-fishing is the gateway to unlock this language of current and call of river.

Or as Justin put it, “Those fishing waters taught me more about life than any textbook could”.

If you’re like me and never grew up fishing or fish today, here is a link which might be insightful:

https://www.orvis.co.uk/blogs/explore-orvis/the-quiet-side-of-fly-fishing-solitude-reflection-and-nature?srsltid=AfmBOoqqnoceNLVR23rx7jA_O4rcKeT4_vixOJi6HHBgWmVQNcPwAs2b

The traditional fishing proverb is "Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime." Justin’s version is a modern, humorous twist on the classic proverb, “Give a man a fish and he’ll have dinner. Teach a man to fish and he’ll be late for dinner.”

Fishermen.

“Every fisherman carries a mental map marked with sacred waters—places where the mundane world dissolves at the riverbank, leaving only the eternal triangle of river, fish, and friendship. These spots become temples, their locations passed between trusted souls in whispers, if shared at all.” - The Treasure Trail

I feel like Indiana Jones looking to raid the Temple of Doom. Just playing, I don’t wear hats, but also- I don’t fish either. I’m shit out of luck.

When people fish, they participate in a web of life that includes not just the fish, but also the ecosystems they inhabit, the plants that support them, and the predators that rely on them.

Overfishing can disrupt this balance, affecting not just fish populations but entire aquatic ecosystems. Sustainable fishing practices help maintain this cycle, ensuring that both humans and nature thrive together. Or as Justin’s father, Dennis. put it, “It’s called peaceful coexistence”. It’s no surprise Justin declared himself the “Jane Goodall of raccoons”.

Fishing taught him about the aquatic ecosystem, but in a greater sense it taught him about life. For example, listen how he describes hiding from his brother Aidan:

“Like a patient predator, he slipped back into the shadows of our shared space, waiting.”

You see, understanding shadows is important to be a successful fisherman. I don’t fish…so here is a expert explaining it, if you care:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g8V0Lmdg7hA&t=191s&pp=2AG_AZACAQ%3D%3D&ra=m

Justin describes himself as having a “usual talent for blending into the shadows”, a trait no doubt he learned from fishing. Listen how he describes Brandon - “constant shadow during those shifting times”. It’s a metaphor for closeness, proximity, but also protection. You see, fish hide in shadows for protection.

In fishing terminology, an edge is any boundary where two different environments, depths, or water conditions meet. Fish love edges because they act as travel highways and provide hiding spots to ambush prey. The fish are predators, but they are also the prey. They hide in shadows to remain unseen on those they prey, but also it provides protection from their predators.

I think I’ve gone long enough without getting into the poem per se, but I believe we are looking for Justin’s sacred fishing corner. The intersection of edges.

Fuck it, let’s talk poem:

“Can you find what lives in time,
Flowing through each measured rhyme?

Wisdom waits in shadowed sight—
For those who read these words just right.”

We are looking for what lives in time and our hints is “flowing through each measured rhyme.” Well, I covered earlier the difference between flow and current.

Justin’s job as the designer of this poem/puzzle is to put us on the map. To place a X on a map, to provide context and a starting point.

Where the fuck do you start? At the beginning, of course. No really, where does one start this search for Justin’s treasure? Sure, sure Justin answers this question on his website:

“So where do you start? How do you begin this treasure hunt? As you entered this website, you saw a map. Start there. The treasure is located somewhere in the American West, and MY MAP will help guide you.” Let me remind you of the earlier quote, with emphasis on, “…mental map marked with sacred waters”.

The map. That’s not very helpful, is it? It’s missing context it’s missing the who, what, where, and why of this treasure hunt. Which he says you can gain from watching Gold and Greed and reading his book. Boom. Done.

We are now staring at a poem that we’ve looked at before, we’ve assigned our own values, thoughts and interpretations and we need to determine a location. A pin on the map, a general area of interest. And we need to derive this from the first few lines/stanzas of the poem I assume.

As we know, Justin said the first “actionable clue” begins as “hope surges…”.

Justin’s challenge here is he needs to be able to “drop the pin on a map”. Some have suggested, well Justin can get creative and drop many pins on a map and you’ll have to do math understand a computer program or app and use triangulation etc. I believe Justin has a few choices right? But what makes sense. The triangulation method might be braking the “approachable” rule, it displaces the “equal footing” he’s trying to…maybe assuming to my own detriment, to achieve. I’m sure there’s other creative ways to guide or Shepard searchers to “an area” and get this thing started. To get you BOTG.

How precise can we get with a natural feature on a map, a kitchen size - of course. No, but really, what’s in nature that can be used as a reference point. A valley, a mountain, a river etc. they each present their own problems. Without comparing all of them, I would say that a river is the best choice. After all, that’s exactly what Forest Fenn used. Justin’s own search methodology was finding the intersection of two symbolic things, which was Sunlight Creek near Dead Indian Pass.

See, Forrest Fenn wanted to end his life at his favorite fishing hole. Fenn’s writing had an element of mortality, but on the other hand I view Justin’s poem more about life and living. That’s why it’s about being present, about hope.

LIFE BEGINS WHERE ROUTINE ENDS

As you’ve probably noticed, I’m somewhat reluctant to spell it all out, this has been an excise in organizing my thoughts, but also there’s hesitation in overshading. I’ve changed my mind on serving golden fish, you’ll just have to learn how to fish and cook - if you can stand the heat in the kitchen.

Here’s some quotes I didn’t get to:

"Nine Mile Hole," Brandon echoed, the name expanding between us like river mist, heavy with unspoken histories.”

“We were going through the motions of our eight-year routine, but something had shifted beneath the familiar rhythms. Like a river changing course”

a place where brotherly bonds had been forged in river water and where ancient secrets might still whisper from beneath the current’s endless song.

learning the water’s secrets. Even after Brandon left, I stayed on two more weeks, grid-searching with methodical desperation, as if our shared history might have left some secret marker only I could find.

Also:

https://realvertigo.medium.com/begin-it-where-warm-waters-halt-forrest-fenn-fbcf4deddd06

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Myst

Red / blue

Indian Jones- temples

In Hinduism, River edge symbolizes a
boundary or threshold, highlighting the significance of location. It represents a visual element that may denote the transition between sacred and secular spaces, enhancing spiritual practices and rituals.

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Victorio Peak: Terry Delonas

Would you like to hear Terry Delonas speak in person? He’s Doc Noss grandchild- who is pictured with Justin in BTME.

Visit https://moonlakegathering.com

If you are interested. It’s in Utah, there is no fee. It’s three days. Would it help you with BTME, probably not, but if you want to learn more about treasure hunting signs and symbols or hear some fun stories, it might be up your alley.

I’ve said too much, I won’t be replying to any questions.

u/unf_usernotfound — 12 days ago