r/yorickmains

Hello fellow yorick mains,
I am struggling against camille especially during laning phase. I wouldnt call her a hardcounter but against decent camille players i struggle finding a proper gameplan for early but to still stand a chance mid to late game. I have tried multiple build approaches but I am not satisfied with what i did so far.
I tried lethality, bruiser and tanky.
Any recommendations or small tips are welcome

My main Urgot sucks into him and so I tried Renekton and Trundle. After 6 with maiden, I have no way of dealing with him, he can just continuously poke and actually win the all in vs both chapmions somehow. His q heals so much and minions do way more dmg than I do to him

I never win vs him in lane, after 6 is some version of being trapped in cage and just getting poked to hell with ghouls or he wins the all in with his q sustaining him using these champions

First of all Riot Phroxzon said Yorick is one of the deepest played characters in the game meaning that almost all Yorick players are OTPs or at least mains. His winrate is stupidly low for a deeply played champion and the delta between casual players and mains is not enough. The primary reason is that Yorick is probably the lowest agency champion in the game, so a Yorick player cant transfer macro skill such as wave control while the champion microgame is also not high enough to make up for it.

1- There isn't a single champion who is unable to freeze and to slowpush, Yorick not only can not do those things but he is also forced to hard push every single time. That's frustrating for the enemy laner who cant get out of tower and it makes Yorick a worse champion at the same time (free farm for the enemy).

Now, the second problem and IMO the most important one given the fact that the rework wont be reversed: Ghouls not only stops being a part of Yorick's kit past 20 minutes, they actually help the enemies.

Can anyone here think of a single champion who has an ability that not only is bad in the first levels, and doesn't scale at all, but also actually helps the enemy in lategame? Only Yorick.

Its okay for ghouls to take x2 damage from melee auto attacks and full damage from ranged auto attacks, but life steal shouldn't be 100% effective against them. Right now any melee champion can fully recover the hp they lost from ghouls just by killing them, and then they actually get more hp than before from the minion wave.

Yorick can only deal more damage than the sustain from ghouls if he has almost an entire item of advantage. And even then, for 900g you can play under tower since enemy Yorick will hard push no matter what, and make poke 50% less effective.

In lategame melee champions with lifesteal are not worth facing anymore and ranged champions with life steal can heal up to 700 hp from ghouls. So good luck trying to teamfight. The rework was supposed to help Yorick's team fighting potential but now its worse.

Cait healing 1700 hp from ghouls. She had one and a half less items than Yorick in this clip.

Life steal should be 80 % -> 30% effective against ghouls, scaling with levels.

Title.

Before the rework Yorick wasn't a champion alone but with ghouls and ult he was easily the strongest side laner.

Right after the rework and for two patches ghouls were useless, and Yorick was broken while also being even more braindead. Then after the nerfs Yorick isnt a champion without ult, ghouls are useless and Yorick with ult and ghouls is still worse than any juggernaut, scales worse than them, has less agency, has the worst teamfight in the game and is the worse split pusher if you compare him to any other split pusher

Ive been seeing a lot of posts about people playing yorick midlane, and even some high elo yoricks flexing it with toplane. Ive been afraid to try it out in ranked due to unfamiliarity, but it seems effective in theory. insanely stable early compared to toplane because yorick is very difficult to poke out or assasinate, and post 6 you can kind of strongman the lane and prevent either party from leaving. If they leave you can just siege. Hes shockingly effective in river skirmishes. and he can always rotate sidelane once midgame hits. I have some questions tho

- what kind of builds are best for this pick? I've been going liandries poke build into most mages and titanic/heartsteel tank into most assasins

- are there any bad matchups to worry about? (excluding irelia lol) I haven't seen anything as unwinnable seeming as what yorick has to deal with in toplane yet. I imagine matchups against champs who can just nuke the wave and then roam on you would be an issue

- would you say the role has any glaring downsides compared to toplane? weirdly it has felt strictly more efficient for the champion so far. getting ganked early could be an issue maybe,

I have always hated this Champ where if they fuck up they can just disappear back down lane. But i ask advice from the great Yorick council as its just getting absurd. I am 2 levels higher, been rolling the Gragas in top lane into my personal punching bag have a 1 item difference while getting into a fight with Yone (with Maiden). Hit him with E,into Q he disappears down lane. I think oh he's realised he cant go toe to toe with me. Nope he comes back knowing both my E, and Q are down.I try to back up but he's like half health i am still near full. I auto,ignite him and get another E, off he just straight up kills me and still has half health. I must be missing something as i must be fucking up in this match up.

Credentials: currently #12th yorick euw on league of graphs (edit: formerly 12th) https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/summoner/euw/foxgirlkali-frot https://dpm.lol/foxgirlkali-frot?lane=top&champion=Yorick#matchHistory

Runes:

Deathfire touch

Axiom arcanist (honestly could take manaflow band or nimbus cloak, personal preference)

Celerity

Scorch

Magical footwear

(can take biscuits if less confident)

Jack of all trades

Adaptive, AS or AH is personal preference, I take AH

Move speed

Flat health to get through early laning

Build:

Helm -> Triforce -> Either Mercs or Gluttonous -> Aether wisp (yes)

This gives you all 10 stacks of Jack of all trades, this is your biggest power spike, you are a mid game speed demon from this point.

Continue build with Bandlepipes (can sell helm and still keep all 10 stacks of Jack of all trades) -> Either Serylda's or Mortal reminder -> Cosmic drive (yes) -> Endless hunger/whatever last item might be better.

Theory:

Yorick lacks mobility. Biggest weakness is how fat and slow and chunky you are. This build lets you (and your ghouls) run people down if you land a single E. With Bandlepipes your entire team and pick and catch if you land a slow.

I personally think Jack of all trades is the most single broken rune in the game. Free 1000 gold injection worth of stats around 16 mins. You need either Mercs or Gluttons + Aether wisp for 10 stacks powerspike.

Triforce, Bandlepipes, Cosmic all give flat movement speed which scales your ghoul's movespeed. Serylda's is a conditional proc for Bandlepipes, but if anyone is under 50% hp and you land a E or any ghouls are stuck on them it's guaranteed lockdown. You proc Cosmic drive with EVERY ability due to Deathfire touch.

You can get around 60 AH after Serylda's which increases ur E uptime massively.

Playstyle: You are faster than the enemy. Weave in and out. Trade agrro with maiden. You are now one slippery champion.

Play safe lane till 6. Start E usually, can start Q if they weak lvl 1, as DFT wins trades early.

You steamroll ranged champs as usually (just land E). You can now kite other slow chunky fighters and tanks. You still lose to crazy mobility freaks like Irelia or Fiora, and champs that heal off your ghouls like WW or Trundle. Not really much you can do about that. There are a couple matchups which are now favored to yorick with this setup which yorick usually loses, most notably Sett, Olaf, Gwen, Renekton and Jax, and the gameplan is just out kite them since you can now. Ban Yone or Irelia.

Play for picks and catches with team mid game, can split as well. You are weak early and weak late, late game just group and peel for ADC.

FAQ:

Why not BC or Shojin:

Because I'm trading ghoul damage for Jack of all trades and movespeed. This build may lack the usual damage, but the utility and the ability to kite makes up for it.

Aether wisp has to be trolling:

Yah, I agree. But my win rate says otherwise so maybe movement speed is genuinely broken on Yorick. Who knows.

Shurelya's Battlesong or Youmuu's Ghostblade? They give movespeed and lots of different stats as well:

I hate actives. But actives aside, I don't want another support item as a top laner after Bandlepipes, because we would be sacking too much dueling power. I would actually consider Youmuu's Ghostblade except there is no build path that gives the sweet 10 Jack of all trades stacks quickly.

Thanks for reading!

I saw somewhere on this subreddit that they would remove ghouls pulling turret aggro to yorick

in my mind I was behind that game because my duo was feeding akali hard and I couldn't have anything in that part of the map so I was 0/2, I press tab and my fizz is 3/3 and the enemy yorick is alone and 2/2/2
so I think thats free, I am behind yes but fizz and yorick are equal AND I will do extra damage I literally auto pilot the fight and somehow this happens

https://reddit.com/link/1uhefie/video/ewmdoinp7w9h1/player

Don't roast please I am very new to the game I was shielding his escape to buy fizz time to engage first

Is everyone excited to pilot Old Yorick again when lol classic is opened to us all?

https://preview.redd.it/nn1wtb5mvo9h1.png?width=208&format=png&auto=webp&s=21bc21f79142938021333df56e2fd2f965b373f1

Hey guys, new Yorick main here, I've been mainly playing grasp as my main rune as thats what most guides say but have seen a few people here mentioning DFT, is it mainly a situational choice? If so when is best to take it and what sort of builds are we looking at around it?