u/0muffincake0

Hello I really wanted to talk about Echidna because damn shes soo cool and mysterious character and I feel like only 2 people know about her in this fandom I know someone might say "oh but there isn't a lot about her so there isn't a lot to talk about her" there is acctualy a bit about her so now I'm going to write every evidence I can think about her because I feel like more people should learn about her

I would just like to say that I took the first point of informations from HalfBreadChaos youtube video about her I feel like this video explains it a lot better then what is written here

Okay so for the start to fully understand what Im trying to say Echidna in greek mythology was "Mother of Monsters" half women half snake that lived in Darkness

In code for this game there is #1 Enemy (obj_placeholderenemy) that is unused placeholder enemy that is used for testing it uses Rudinn sprites thought it has diffrent text ACT options and stats.

Thought its pretty normal to have unused placeholders in games but to this one is more deepth if you disable a bit of some specifict script you can encounter another version of this Rudinn named Echidna why thats so special because it acts like placeholder that Toby overwritten by new monsters

I know that it just might be Homestuck reference but I feel there is acctualy a lot more going on with her in Deltarune and also Deltarune is inspired by Homestuck so I wouldn't be surprised if that was inspiration

Okay first of all notice that in the beginning intro in the game Earth specifically uses female pronouns I am aware that the pronouns might be used only for poetic language but c'mon the intro would work absolutely normal with it pronouns too

Some of dialogues and text

When fighting Titan at some point there is going to be text

The darkness gives a long gaze,

which slithered like a snake

One of dialogue from npc in chapter 4

Before the clock strikes

midnight, the shadow will grow!

* O, the shadow will grow,

serpentine!

* Even when the clock ran back,

the shadow was growing!

* A patch of shadow, slithering

on, slithering on, serpentine!

* ... So sayeth our ancestors.

Crazy fellows, the lot!

Why that eye symbol appears so much in Deltarune when were in Dark World it appers on tower when were climbling to fight the Titan too What does that eye even mean

Also Temmie once said that Cat's tail is just snake in disguise can I somehow use it as Echidna evidence or what

When trading cards come out there was this Art where for NO REASON Ruddinn Hathy and Clover were snakes

Also that one damn npc that is like Blue Rudinn in Castle Town like hello who are you youre so weird I acctualy need to know if this npc appears if you decide not to be nice and don't spare anyone I must test it later. I know that is might be just Ace card but that bro is still weird

I know thats shes still like 70% made up but it would he so cool if she was real imagine that she is like the first Darkner Echidna for me youre real

Sorry for any spelling mistakes English is not my first language

Okay so I have been thinking a lot about sword route and I came to conclusion that Eram is like Kris Doppelganger. They're something like Finn and Fern from Adventure Time. Okay hear me out.

I think that Eram is specifically that headband with horns that Kris used to wear when they were little. (and I like to believe that Kris lost it when they went to the shelter with Dess thats why Eram in that minigame is specifically in the shelter but that part might be just my imagination lol)

You can get that Eram personality is kinda mischievous I mean just look at them (from how little we get acctualy to see them), Toriel primarily describes Kris as mischievous, Kris has a history of pulling harmless and strange pranks. Toriel also said that Kris is like goblin or skme shit like that I don't remember the exact line (that part of goblin is more important than it is I swear)

Beside that Eram is Kris headband with horns in Dark World they're kind of demon that believed to bring nightmares and sleep paralysis Mare from slavic folklore because you know Eram is Mare backwards and they're saved as nightmare boss in game files so it's kinda obvious.

Why I mentioned that beacuse sometimes Mares were described as goblin like entity and I know it might be just coincidence but we know that Toby analises every text at least 5 times and that dialogues in Deltarune can have 5 different meanings.

After we do Sword Route in the S room there is Rabbick and to my theory that dialogue is very important

"that's funny Kris didn't you already go past?" We all know that it cant be about Susie because I'm pretty sure that you have to be really special to mistake Susie and Kris and what we're left with that it couldn't be anyone other that Eram because who else could it be.

At first I didn't really thought much about that Eram has some sort of fire powers because well maybe they have it because its cool why not. But why Kris wore headband in the first place to fit in with their family because they felt out of place. Mind you everyone in Dreemurr family have fire powers except Kris.

I think Eram is made to represant all that how much Kris actually hate themself and how odd they are compared to anyone else.

Also I once saw someone saying that its freaking weird that Kris has their knife all the time even when they're sleeping, the have it all the time to open fountain and to cut wires in Toriel car obvious but I think it's worth to mention that one of the method to get rid of Mares used to be to put something sharp (knife in the most cases) under your pillow maybe this information is useless but idk I like this coincidence

Also in like 2023 or 2024 (I dont really remember sorry) Halloween fanart by Temmie Kris is dressed in orange and black and c'mon just look at it has to be foreshadowing

Sorry for any spelling mistakes, English is not my first language