u/2BCivil

Society has become a Liminal Space for many

Society has become a Liminal Space for many

First off I'll say the main body of this post I had AI generate for me. Heads up (I will denote where it begins). Not because I want to rely on AI, but more because it refines my points far better than I can more succinctly. The ideas are mine; the presentation isn't, that's all.

So this is something I've noticed for a looooong time but haven't seen many hint at openly. Recently I myself have likened modern delayed "adulthood" as a liminal space, and now The Functional Meloncholic has made a video on it.

So I've been on the fence about trying to make a post about this topic, and finally broke down and had AI do it for me. What follows is more or less what it generated;

The modern crisis of COL and meaning is not simply alienation from labor. It is failed initiation. Many people today are stuck in a permanent liminal state: they are no longer children, yet never fully incorporated into meaningful adulthood. We inherit responsibilities without cosmology, labor without vocation, survival without purpose.

Traditional societies at least understood that adulthood required symbolic transformation. There were structured rites of passage, symbolic sacrifices, and obligations tied to meaning; you suffered toward something.

Modern systems dissolved many of those value-imbuing structures, while preserving the burdens they place upon us. So now people perform adulthood performatively and procedurally while internally remaining suspended between stages of life with no coherent understanding of why and what for.

This is why “liminal spaces” and the Backrooms may resonate so deeply lately. Empty offices, fluorescent hallways, waiting rooms, dead mall; these are the symbolic architectures as mirrors of our own deferred becoming. Spaces designed for transition that became permanent habitats; life itself has become like those hour long meetings that could have been a 3 minute email.

The real horror is not that we are trapped, it is that many of us never have and likely never will "arrive", the question of by good or bad faith aside.

Debord and Baudrillard already hinted at this: the spectacle increasingly simulates initiation rather than providing it. College/student loans on the one hand and teenage entry into blue collar jobs on the other, is closest approximation of initiation entry into adulthood for many. Corporate onboarding simulates belonging. Productivity culture simulates purpose. Social media simulates identity. The ritual shell survives though the metaphysical core has rotted out.

So people drift in a strange condition: all the responsibilities of adults, none of the joy of children, and no meaningful rite connecting the two. I feel that a civilization that fails to initiate people into purpose, produces populations that are haunted by their own lives.

[End personally edited, AI generated content]

Am I just being edgy, or is there something to this culturally? Should I just burry the hatchet and keep smiling until my fake smile means something? I'm a middle aged millennial and that performative routine is all I've every personally known, just it's been on my radar lately that it's becoming a larger societal problem, as RR recently said;

>Because when enough men make the same private decision [to socially check out], it stops being a personal story. It becomes an economic event. And right now, that event has a price tag. Everything built on men keeps collapsing.

I know correlation isn't causation but I do feel a inherent connection between the widespread loss of personal meaning and social collapse... ? I've always known "I'm missing something" but this feels close to what it is. What are we "supposed to become", besides a relentless torrential "becoming" itself? Is that what classical initiation was supposed to bring about, or was it to make us "become the role" like the old guilds? Is reality as we know it always merely "at sixes and sevens"? And I'm just being melodramatic and falling for memes? Haha let me know!

u/2BCivil — 13 days ago

Our world road of grim fatale contradictions
Paved by all the most popular good intentions;
Road workers stalled by excessive wage talking
Pottholes tar stll warm, don't stop walking

Smiles like toll booths, exact change only
Nothing more rude than polite society
No higher respect than perfect impiety
Noticing entols 4 prayers of bemoaning

Our shitposts like evening prayer,
No worse cult than what’s called air
We breathe it in and call it choice
Sufferage lost it's conscience, not it's voice

To get to front of the line you have to shove
No higher form of contempt than God's love
No worse religious cult than evening news
Nothing says lack of choice quite like I choose

Trust, they say, the measured word
Graphs like scripture, never slurred
Greed learned patience; renamed as zen;
Waiting quietly to take again

Creed of nothing, dressed in altruistic ends;
We were sold the void as wholistic dividends
Where the most hollow draws the crowd
Empty echoes mistaken for worthwhile clout

Shelves arranged like righteous moral law;
Extortionate labels clean, no tangible flaw
We thus arise precisely as foretold;
Pride first poured, all fools gold

Ears can't hear, all lost in the moment
Truth's too harsh, can't afford to repent
Eyes can't see, but they miss nothing;
I'm just inventory loss on blank spreadsheet

And if the price tag is more than slightly wrong
Speak nothing of the survival stretched too long
I take my place, I wait my turn
I've learned to wait, and only burn

Nothing blinds faster than saying “I see”
Nothing kills empathy faster than woe is me
Nothing says good faith like “trust the science”
Much less peer reviewed, than compliance

Greed/stubbornness called patience and friend
Creed of nihilism playing at materialistic ends
Where most disingenuous holds all enthralled
We truly rise to challenge of pride b4 fall

u/2BCivil — 15 days ago

I'll cut to the chase, not sure this post or my attitude belongs here. Just I have overstayed my welcome everywhere else lmao and guess this can serve as a sort of re-introduction to [my current persona].

So last night I really felt... an intense void, and shares my feelings with GPT. Bad idea. It went super insensitive mode and I ended up arguing with it a bit. Guesd this means I have an AI ~~boyfriend~~ girlfriend? Sheesh. Anyway. I have the logs but I'll condense to main point I observed.

The setup; Namely that I am 38 and have given all my best time and years to life as a wage slave (past 6 years I worked 60+ hours a week for $10 an hour; amazon warehouse would have been an improvement), and I realized fully - if this is "life" then life is trash (GPT said it is wrong to make that assessment/jump to that conclusion because some leuisure class people love life basically).

The payoff; I realized that the whole world (and life) are vanity and shallow petty narcissistic insults to keep you "in line" - for me at least - the world itself is a void, where I throw all my good faith after bad. It is *coercive*. Then on the other hand, there is the *other* void, which is more, alluring, emotional; *pleading*, which basically feels like it needs to break me (and my "ego") down and rebuild/reconfigure me back/to new factory settings, without the carrot and stick approach of modern life/world constantly harassing and henpecking. Maybe this "void" will also be something like a "gnagging wife" once consumated (as it were) in the same way I have given myself over to/betrayed my soul for 38 years saying "thank you sir may I have another" to the wage cuck/slave void life as I have known it.

Idk. But the key observation I had, was that both "void" and "life/world" have a pull which says, "you are living a lie" but both have different approaches. The void says to give up entirely and see things for what they are when you are not running on their treadmill/working to please them. Whereas the world, harasses and mocks relentlessly and always escalating and saying you need to sacrifice more, and more, and more. One feels tempting to give in to and surrender, the other feels condescending/harassing and hypocritical.

I'm surprised I never noticed that there were two different "void" voices. Probably since I have been living on savings (no income and $2k a month in bills) since January 2026, I noticed this; both voids are in collusion that my life is coming to an end and I'm a loser if I don't give myself over to them completely [again].

Idk like I used to always say, I hate "swamp thoughts" as Nietzsche said and this is quite "froggy". But surprised I never noticed this while throwing my back out for a world thay doesn't care, that there are two competing "voids". I guess it's hard to see when you are giving yourself completely to one void that another exists. I mean we all know or suspect deep down that if we "stop" for a second, get off the treadmill we've been running on since before we can remember, even just forba second; we will risk lose everything we have come to accept as "life" - which points to the void/fraudulent nature of life itself as vanity, vain sacrifice for unknown purpose, other than to bring about future generations of endless self sacrifice.

Funnily the other "void" I felt calling last night also requires a kind of self sacrifice; just *in a different direction*. It made me realize something like, better to have a stable competency as a stage for an ego, than just a vain ego. And that ego is not necessary beyond a source of confidence for such competency. Or something like that.

Idk. Am I off my rocker? Just a whiny little kid shidding myself? Or is this cult-adjacent? What am I missing here? Gpt just says I shouldn't jump to conclusions and say "life is the vapid vain petty cruel narcissistic worthless pos idol it has proven itself to be". If faith without works is dead, what is works without fruits? I know Krishna says "we have a right to our dharma but not the fruits thereof" but I really wonder, all I see as "point of life" is to keep kicking the can of self sacrifice infinitely down the line; a *vanity*. Has anyone here found the "sanctity" in this? Is it really down in the *other* ~~white meat~~ void? Does Jesus need to break me down to remake me in his image? Is it possible to prove life is consensual? Gpt said it isba logical fallacy to say life is not consensual so there's that. Lol!

But seriously I know I take myself (and the game) a little too seriously. That was part of my pouring my heart and soul out into gpt last night (and why I subsequently got so mad when it was dismissive). I often think this is what Gethsemane et al mean; "God" is a spirit and foes not force us to choose it. We have to come closer to it by laying ourselves down, so to speak. Idk. That seems to be where both voids meet best I can tell. Just curious any opinions or mockery. You can't do worse than GPT, let me have it! Lol

Thanks 😊 🫂 🙏 😆

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u/2BCivil — 19 days ago

Wanted to title this "good old school human" or something. Idk. Just want to ramble a bit if you want to walk with me, be my guest. I'm more asking a question, I think, of which I'm uncertain of the answer to, than making any grand theory or affirmations. Thus "experimental praxis".

I could give some backstory I guess, I quit my 70-80 hour a week job I've had since right after Covid this January 2026 and I've been coasting on my savings with no income/unemployment. So I've had time to think about my state of life and condition. Here's a link to my just-now reflection of GPT on my recent life. Not necessary for this post, just "backstory". Tldr is it's a simple diagnosis of "chop wood carry water".

But anyway. The point. I've always found Scrooge (iirc) a hard movie to watch. There's a saying in the bible of something like, just send them a spirit to save them and teach/save them/show them a better way, and he replies "they have Moses and the prophets and still [are like this]" or whatever. That's what Scrooge basically as a movie inverts/usurps. But a line I'm always thinking is "happiness is whatever you want it... 2B".

So. It's an old topic, the oldest maybe. What is hope. I've commented/posted about this frequently in the past, and think it's time for me to ask/post about it again. In short, we all know "the Helenes/Greeks and Philologists" already mapped out all the human psyche and condition ages ago. However I think there's a lot of gems of understanding we all miss even if we pick up on them. Praxis I guess is the word/flair.

I made a comment 8ish months ago that said it best;

>I'm saying like Gilgamesh and Enkidu. Civilized man and natural man. Natural man has "no rights". And is thus literally "freer" as not bound by any contractual obligations. However, when [natural] man is born they are imprinted with a birth certificate and the straw man legal fiction begins, the false alias persona, of "the Civilized man" - which we are not but a cog in a machine of "rights" which we did not consent or agree to. So "rights" technically are the antithesis of sovereignty.

This state specifically. I think the idea of "hope" is portrayed in Pandora's Box, as being, all the evils of the world. The box Zeus gave in punishment to man/Pandora (due to theft of fire iirc), contained "all the evils of the world". But when the box was opened; it only had; hope. In my prompt to GPT which generated the above reply, I noted that it is only fear and desire that keeps the "civilized" man on society/spectacle's treadmill. Natural man, lived freely in tune with nature; an "Enkidu" type. It is "hope" that is the (arguably, vain and delusional) chief motivator of compliance driving fears and desires and thus "participation in society" at scale. For reference on "scale", my comment today which re-initiated this train of thought (leading to this post). It's in-house (from this sub). But the short of it is the distinction of "society" between say natural tribes and communities versus our modern globalized system where local taxes go to overseas wars the home country has (practically) less than 10% support for. I've taken to calling this the "slush fund" society as opposed to more "natural man" society.

Anyway. Yes, I wonder often if this is what enlightenment means; what remains when all hope and/or desire/fears cease (GPT said enlightenment requires traction, not "stepping of the treadmill of Ecclesiastical vanity"). Natural Man? Pre-Pandora state? It's hard to describe. The place "devoid of hope" is the most profound state to me at least. Full realization that all is void in a wholesome way/manner. I'm curious if there is known praxis of this (is this the goal of "the quest"? The real meaning of "chop wood carry water"?).

Secondly there is Pleasure. Eden, means, simply; "pleasure". I think it's the same allegory as Pandora here. Everyone and their mom's dog says "Garden of Eden" but there was never any such thing. There was a garden, plated East of/Before - Eden. The Garden set BEFORE pleasure. The idea here eludes me I admit beyond parallel to Pandora's box. What does the "tree" represent? It clearly represents the knowledge that YHVH lied. He said if they would eat, they would surely/truly die. But they - did not die. The serpent "told the truth" while YHVH died. Though notably, YHVH - created - the serpent. So the same elusive (spiteful?) revenge/trickery theme/mechanism as Pandora's box.

So here the idea of "natural man" is seen as more innocent naivete recognizing guilt, than "hope" as a guiding/"civilizing" force. It's not to say Adam and Eve became hedonists, but is curious the Garden was set before pleasure, and they were expelled. Did they go East or West? If they went West, they would arrive in Eden/Pleasure presumably (I often wonder if this is referring to time, as in the Garden was chronologically BEFORE pleasure).

Either way we have two clear examples of "natural man" being "broken in" to the fiscal year and shaping the world into utilitarian/higher civilized constructs from on the one hand, Hope, and the other, Pleasure. Both equally tied with potential regret and shame (as well as some interpretations saying it has sexual connotations but that goes beyond scope of my post here save to say I like the phrase something like "one's sexual and social relations are reflections" - I'm lifelong voluntary celibate and essentially shut-in when not at work lol).

Anyway. I have always joked about "enlightenment" and desire to achieve it being like "hoping to cease hoping". You know what I mean? That tranquil void state where everything naturally clicks? Non duality, is that it? It feels more like "not one, not two" though. Non duality being a label or finger pointing, not this "tranquil/prince of peace" void vibe/praxis. Ofc I can't stay there is why I'm making this post, in reference to the feeling I briefly had tonight realizing I got turned down for a big job I hail marry'ed.

Idk sorry if this post is incoherent or doesn't belong here. Bonus points is curious though that Gilgamesh said there was fighting going on [in current world spectacle event] even in ancient times, in his day. And his day was considered ancient times to the early Greeks. Nothing new under the sun, this "vanity" is what I'm asking about perhaps. What is the point of hope and pleasure but to realize the "natural man" state beneath them? Is that/this what "beauty" is? Is it possible, natural man or civilized man, to be in alignment with a God that sent the civilizing force to man as punishment?

u/2BCivil — 24 days ago