In the sentence, "Nee meet pannadhe illala", is pannadhe (or perhaps pannadhu) a colloquial contraction of பண்ணியது (panniyathu)?

In the sentence, "Nee meet pannadhe illala", is pannadhe (or perhaps pannadhu) a colloquial contraction of பண்ணியது (panniyathu)?

The title is basically my question. Chatbots say that pannadhe (or perhaps pannadhu) is a colloquial contraction of பண்ணியது, understood as a verbal noun, meaning "past doing". So the phrase "meet pannadhe illa" means "no past meeting", and the whole sentence basically means, "You've never met, right?"

Is this correct? I understand the word பண்ணியது and just want to confirm that pannadhu is indeed its colloquial contraction.

I heard this sentence ("Nee meet pannadhe illala") at 7:29 in the attached clip, from the movie Vinnaithaandi Varuvaaya.

Thanks!

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u/2ish2 — 3 days ago

I understood what they said 🥳

Overheard this at the coffee shop today, and understood it instantly:

Lady: Chappati irukkaa?
Man: Chappati irukku.
Lady. Chappati kudunga. Oru chappati.

I know this is basic Tamil, but for a beginner like me, it's not easy to "hear"! I can normally only hear word fragments when people speak. E.g. I can hear the root verb ("iru"), but can't tell how it's being conjugated.

But I understood this exchange instantly.

Thanks to everyone here and also to Shri at LearnTamil.ai, whose wonderful app showed me "irukku" vs "irukkaa" and also "kudunga." I'm not affiliated with this app; it just has an effective method for teaching spoken Tamil -- the entire exchange above was basically taught in the app.

Really look forward to "overhearing" more at the coffee shop!

I do have one question though about something I often overhear. When a customer comes in and orders tea (say), the waiter will shout into the kitchen something like, "Oru tea, kudikraa!" or "Oru tea, kudikre" or "Oru tea, kudikaa."

I can hear the root verb "kudi" (drink), but can't tell how it's being conjugated.

Is he saying "kudikraa"? Is this a partial conjugation, where the "r" represents present tense, but there is no conjugation for gender? So "Oru tea, kudikraa" means, roughly, "One tea, drinking"?

Or is he saying "Oru tea, kudikka" (Roughly: One tea, to drink)?

I really can't tell what I'm hearing. It could be "kudikka" or "kudikraa" or "kudikre" -- or something else. It's practically impossible to pick out unless you already know what word to expect.

Thanks for any insight. I always hear this and can never figure out what it means! If it matters, I'm in Malaysia, and this is what I hear in Malaysian coffee shops.

u/2ish2 — 9 days ago

Unusual syllable "in" (இன்) found in song lyrics

In the movie Vinnaithaandi Varuvaaya, there is a lovely song Mannipaaya. In its opening lines:

>kadalINil meenaaga irundhaval naan
unakkena karai thaandi vandhaval dhaan
thudithirundhen tharaiyINile
thirumbivitten en kadalidame

the unusual syllable "in" (இன், capitalized above) appears twice.

Chatbots say it doesn't really mean anything, since "kadalil" (in the sea) and "tharaiyil" (on the ground/sand) already carry the essential meaning. It just has a rhythmic or poetic function to make the lyrics flow better.

Is this right? Or does the "in" (இன்) carry some additional meaning?

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u/2ish2 — 10 days ago

Is this a possible meaning for "Nijamaa soldrenga"?

Can you add the polite suffix "-nga" to the end of "Nijamaa soldren" (I am telling the truth) to get "Nijamaa soldrenga" (நிஜமா சொல்றேங்க) = "Respectfully, I am telling the truth"?

I thought I heard someone speak this way but wasn't sure if this makes sense. The audio wasn't clear, but from the context, this person was not saying, "You are telling the truth" (நிஜமா சொல்றீங்க) or "They are telling the truth" (நிஜமா சொல்றாங்க) but rather, "I am telling the truth."

So can I interpret this person as saying "நிஜமா சொல்றேங்க" = "Respectfully, I am telling the truth"?

Both Google and ChatGPT gave me confusing answers, so I thought I'd better ask here.

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u/2ish2 — 14 days ago

தெரிஞ்சுக்கலாம் = தெரிந்து கொள்ளலாம் ?

I came across the phrase "தெரிஞ்சுக்கலாம் இந்த பகுதி" today and Google says it means "Let's get to know this part" or "Let's learn (find out) from this section."

Okay, I get that, and I also get "இந்த பகுதி", but I wasn't sure about "தெரிஞ்சுக்கலாம்." I couldn't see how this word was constructed. So I asked Google for the formal (written) version and it said, "தெரிந்து கொள்ளலாம்."

This makes sense to me -- I can now see how the word is constructed -- but I just need to check whether it's correct, cos Google sometimes talks nonsense. தெரிஞ்சுக்கலாம் = தெரிந்து கொள்ளலாம்?

Is it a common phrase? I heard it on the radio (Adirai FM 90.4). The girl speaks very clearly so I like to listen to this radio station.

Thanks!

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u/2ish2 — 21 days ago

"peca aarambicchirucchu" formal equivalent?

Can I confirm that the formal equivalent of "peca aarambicchirucchu" is "peca aarambitthuvittathu" (பேச ஆரம்பித்துவிட்டது)?

The whole sentence is "Enna book ellaam peca aarambicchirucchu", from the attached clip at 0:11-0:14 seconds.

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u/2ish2 — 1 month ago

How to say "3/121" in Malay, as in "Jalan 3/121"?

What's the Malay word for "slash"? If directing ambulance or whoever to my place, how to say "Jalan 3/121" in Malay? Jalan tiga (what?) satu dua satu?

EDIT - Thanks guys 😅😅

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u/2ish2 — 1 month ago

vaedikkai patthuttirukka

I heard this phrase recently.

  1. Is it a common spoken phrase?
  2. Is the meaning something like "watching the world go by" or "daydreaming"?
  3. Is "patthuttirukka" supposed to be "patthu kittu irukka" or "patthu vittu irukka"? I think it should be "kittu", but I'm not sure.
  4. "irukka" here is இருக்கிறாய், right?

Thanks!

Edit -- I heard the phrase in this youtube video, the very first sentence, "Sahana, unna homework ezhuta sonnaa nee enna engeyo vedikkai patthuttirukka ..."

u/2ish2 — 2 months ago

Am I understanding this clip accurately?

This clip contains just two sentences. I think the following transcription is accurate but I'm not sure:

>Girl: அம்மா, இந்த book-க்கு அட்டை போட்டு கொடுமா?
Mother: அட்டைதானா? போட்டுருவோம்.

1️⃣ I'm not sure about "அட்டைதானா?" The subtitle given in the video is actually this:

>Mother: அட்டைதான போட்டுருவோம்.

But I can't make sense of this. I can't understand the word "அட்டைதான". I think the word here must be "அட்டைதானா?" The mother is asking a question and the meaning is "Just a cover?" But I'm not sure 🙁.

2️⃣ The word "போட்டுருவோம்" is colloquial for "போட்டுவிடுவோம்", right?

3️⃣ Is the following English translation accurate?

>Girl: Mother, can you put a cover for this book and give? (Can you wrap this book?)
Mother: Just a cover? We'll definitely put. (We'll get it done.)

Thanks!

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u/2ish2 — 3 months ago

What should a beginner know about the main dialects of Tamil?

I've heard people mention Chennai Tamil, Kongu Tamil, and some others I can't recall. As a Tamil learner, does it matter which dialect I learn from? I'm currently picking up spoken Tamil from this Youtube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/@RamsivasaTamil2020

But I have no idea what Tamil dialect Mr. Ramsivasa and his family speaks. I find his videos very helpful for picking up basic spoken Tamil, but I don't want to end up learning a non-standard dialect or anything like that. What dialect does he speak actually? More generally, what are some of the main dialects of Tamil that a beginner should be aware of? Can I just learn from any of them without worrying too much about which dialects they are?

u/2ish2 — 3 months ago

Some questions about this clip

The mother speaks three sentences. The given subtitles are:

>என்ன சத்தத்தையே காணும்.
சமத்தா படிக்கிறான்.
யாரு என் பொண்ணாச்சே.

1️⃣ Google thinks that காணும் in the first sentence should really be காணோம். I looked up this word and it means "missing" or "cannot be found," which fits the context. ("Sound is missing.") So the word should be காணோம், and not காணும், right?

2️⃣ In the second sentence, what is the formal version of சமத்தா? Is it சமர்த்தாக, derived from the root word சமர்த்து (skill, ability, expertise)?

3️⃣ Also in the second sentence, படிக்கிறான் should be படிக்கிறாள், right, since she's talking about her daughter?

4️⃣ In the third sentence, can I break down the word பொண்ணாச்சே in this way?
= பொண்ணு + ஆச்சு + ஏ
= பெண் + ஆயிற்று + ஏ (formal version)

5️⃣ Overall, is this English translation accurate?

>Why is it so quiet?
She's reading skillfully.
Who? My daughter indeed.

Thanks !

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u/2ish2 — 3 months ago
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How to protect car window/door rubber seals?

My car is parked in the sun and rain 24 hours. What's a good, basic product I can rub/spray onto my window/door rubber seals to protect them from drying out? Currently using silicone spray from MrDIY -- not sure if it's the right product. Is there any standard product used for protecting window/door rubber seals?

u/2ish2 — 3 months ago