u/AKindRaccoon

im getting tired of all the doom . Every research has to deal with problems not just foregen . I dont mind people asking . But what i cant stand is the huge despair on this sub an especially on all the other subs.

Instead of celebrating when they get closer to the goal and deal with problems on a step by step basis , in every update these pessimists are always of the opinion that they have to read out  some sings of doom out of every little update and spit their venom unto every sub. 

Im tired of this . Thats why i dont go on reddit anymore . If you ever run into such a person they'll tell you that foregen is doomed but when you ask them if foreskin regeneration is gonna be possible in our lifetime , they are always forced to admit that it is because of the rapid and undeniable pace in which tissue engineering and regenerative medicine are progressing . 

In tired of this . I know that optimism can create false hope but they dont seem to know that pessimism can create false despair . They see people fighting for their bodies , they call that false hope without any proof and then call it a day and wallow in their own misery . Newsflash : you have to look a the facts and not just follow how you feel right now and project it onto the whole world.

As always they'll never read the peer reviewed primary literature that foregen publishes and they never will because despite their claims they have no actuall honesty or intelectuall integrity . they only care about bathing in their own misery and painting the world black . because for them the truth is not something that can be measured , the truth is whatever they feel reflects back on that pitch black hopeless attitude the have right now.

You people are not they only ones who got crushed by male genital mutilation. My life has been destroyed too . almost literally . But the fact that some of you choose to doompost day after day when theres still reason to fight and a realistic outlook of reclaiming your body just goes to show that despite of what i initially thought , you people and i (despite sharing the same trauma) are sadly nothing alike . That you people are not my allies and not my friends and never will be .

after getting my foreskin back i will (very likely and unfortunately) depart from this community and will for the rest of my life have nothing to do with you guys anymore . Im just tired of reading the same 10 doomposts of why nobody cares and what was taken from us and that its not fair over and over and over again ad nauseam . Im just so tired of this unreasonable and defeatist attitude and even if against all odds foregen turns out to be a bust i still want to have nothing to do with you guy's toxic attitude. Your pessimism is poison for everyone who still has at least a little bit of fight left in them and im not gonna partake in it.

Bye.

Hello . This is an excerpt from a conversation i had with another user in a comment section of a post related to shaming and i thought that my answer was important enough to share it will all you guys and see what you think . The short of it is , that this user argued for mutilated people to not be shamed and to use our status as "opressed" to cause change in society , just like slaves did before us . We went back and forth discussing history and opinions and my final answer is the part i think everybody should read :

"I have to disagree with you on the last part .Im not interessted in rubbing me being a victim into everyones face and hope that their pity will cause a change of heart. I dont trust that at all. Theres a real danger in making people , even real victims , develope a victim mentality . The danger that they'll always be at the mercy of others . Its humiliating to plead with dumb people to not mutilate their children, but for anyone who doesnt value their dignity : go ahead . But im completely against that . I see our best hope of achieving actuall long term victory in two main tactics . The first one should be obvious : science . It doesnt matter wether you believe in foregen or not . Tissue engineering is an rapidly developing field and complete foreskin regeneration will be possible within our lifetimes .

Our mission is to use the momentum of that discovery and celebrate the body in every aspect . Aesthetics , beauty , feeling  . All of it. Make people actually want to become whole again. Post how good it feels , how beautiful it looks and how good sex is with a foreskin . The second tactic is the one you dont like but is absolutely necessary: shaming . Yes even from the outside . The mutilated body , in the culture culture of the mutilators, is often presented as "cleaner" or "more masculine".  They dont want their children to be "weird" or " dirty" or "ugly for the girls" . We must present it as what it actually is . A brutal mutilation that cripples the healthy body and makes it look ugly and disgusting .

We must make their ideal look weak , pathetic and  unmanly. And since you're good with history , heres a prime example that this tactic indeed works : In ancient Greece, an exposed glans of the male genital was viewed as a barbaric mutilation, driving Jewish athletes to restore their foreskins through painful stretching (epispasm) to escape severe social shaming in the stadiums. In retaliation for this "betrayal," the priests drastically intensified the ritual in the 2nd century CE into a more brutal form of mutilation . Those athletes were the first restorers and we should honor their courage .

I know that right now it might seem cruel to shame people , and it is , since people cant change their bodies right now . But renember : in the future this changes . And the most important thing will be to hold up our ideal of the intact male body , just like the greeks did before us and to NOT fall into the trap of activism . Activism has served to make us a laughing stock among the public worldwide and people like brother K who runs around with a blood stain on his clothes have done imeasurable damage to our cause . If we want to fight then we must take the position of strenght , even though we are the powerless ones right now , and NOT the position of the weak ones , whos only weapon is to cry loudly and make a fool of themselves , which can easily be ignored and ridiculed .

You may mention other movements , who succeeded by capitalizing on pity . But what you and other people absolutely need understand is this : Our fight is a fight for the human body . For vitality , sensation and freedom. We are inherintly different from the movement of slaves or other opressed groups . We stand for something that inherently repressents streght . Look throughout history . It was the romans, the greeks and the nobles of all time periods who were always pro body , pro beauty and pro aesthetic . So leave the activist tactics for those who are happy to be the joke of the entire world and to argue with mutilators about why they shouldnt mutilate their children. If you truly want to win : celebrate the body , shame those who dont and wait for science to give us the perfect natural body we deserve ."

I hope my point is clear . I dont see the intactivist movement moving in the right direction as of right now . I hope i can inspire change and move at least some people away from this form of activism and inspire a new way of thinking about how we're gonna achieve our goals . Thanks

We should be proud of ourselves because we do not just take this mutilation without a fight. Yes, we are victims of this bullshit . But theres a difference between being a victim as a matter of fact and definig yourself as a victim . Even if you dont ever wanna get out of bed and refuse to participate in a society that has betrayed you in a most fundamental way (which is 100% ok , you dont owe them anything ) , you are still way more valueable than every single one who never dare to admit to what was taken from them . I know its unbelievably tough . But we should be proud . We are still here. We still refuse to believe their lies .

Whoever you are , im proud of you.