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So today I realised that when you recruit a pantheon champion hero when you are a vampire lord, they get embraced and become turned vampires. Wizard kings, dragons, giants and eldritch sovereigns don't. When converted into vampires they lose their champion skill tree but they keep their basic command ability (you can't pick the skills to improve it anymore) and also their feet seem to disappear.

Has it always been this way? I thought pantheon guys were just recruited as is. Maybe I've just never recruited a pantheon champion as a vampire before though...

So i was playing a full random world and Noctus the librarian spawned as my random presence. Someone else managed to gank him. The game didn't end, The quest didn't fail. The wording in game suggests that i should have been defeated... Apparently the world keeps turning if an AI kills the presence. I feel like that's not meant to be how it works, right? Ive never really had it happen before, Its turn 80 and he was pretty strong so I would be very surprised if he lost his capital to a non-player, which is the only thing i can think might have done this... My world threat was maximum but still, IT'S NOCTUS! He was thrashing everything with cascading power spam. A renegade stack couldn't possibly have done this i think (how do you check?) and even still, shouldn't the quest fail?

Ethereal transformation takes away raptors legs. Still terrifying.