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A Serious SA Allegation Against Lou Reed (1989) [reupload]

APOLOGY:
This was reuploaded because I was made aware by somebody commenting (thank you VERY much by the way because I honestly would have never known) that rape and sexual assault are not as always interchangeable as terms to the point that I thought they were.

Rape as a term requires penetration while sexual assault encompasses a broader range of unwanted sexual contact. I always heard these two terms be used interchangeably during discussions so I assumed they were exact synonyms when I should have made sure of what the word for word definition of rape was before I posted my doc. And when I have read similar accounts in the past the word rape was used to described being forcefully made out with so I thought that it was the correct term to describe this testimony. Yet I obviously was wrong.

For that I am so sorry, so so so so so sorry!! In no way was I trying to clickbait or be misleading at all because the point of this doc was not for clout or for upvotes or whatever the fuck. All the incorrect uses of that term have been amended. Thank you and sorry for having to reupload but I can’t edit the title without doing that.

If I offended you by using that term incorrectly (again SO SO sorry) please hold that against me and my carelessness, not my mother or her credibility.

INTRO:

My introduction will be brief, I’m very sorry that I am making this post. I (16m) do not know anything about The Velvet Underground because they were before my time. This is not my own testimony or allegation, this is my mother’s. This post is on a new anonymous alt account and I ask that nobody come try and find me or my family or identify us.

Also before I begin will say that my mom is the kind of person to be very skeptical at first towards any allegation against a celebrity so it’s very out of her character to even tell this story to me and it’s inconceivable that she would make it up because again, I would have no reference nor framework for who Lou Reed is. And she has at many points tried to make me less aggressive about being too “woke” about things like feminism/#metoo, not that she doesn’t like those things, but she says I take them too far all the time. I’m only saying this because I think it adds a high level of credibility to her story on top of the fact that she has told me it over the years many different times slowly revealing more information about what happened but everything always has stayed exactly consistent.

It really breaks my heart as her son because it’s so clear that it’s engrained in her brain yet she thinks it’s not an issue, not even that she was raped, and so she has never made anything public. The only reason I ever waited is because I wanted her to be the one to tell her story but I have come to realize she probably will never feel like she needs to make it public because she thinks that it’s not worth it or that there will be no consequences and she has no hope to ever receive justice, but that’s not true and every victim to ever live deserves justice, no matter how long it takes. 💕

She has the opinion that this is just something that rockstars do to young girls and she wasn’t really “traumatized” so it doesn’t matter. But now she told me it again the other day and I finally have enough information to make a decently complete timeline and I think it’s time that this gets aired out, even if it’s on Reddit because I don’t know how to get this to major news publications and I don’t trust  
most of them to keep me and my family anonymous truly during their “investigations.”

With all that being said,

THE ALLEGATION:

**If I receive any more information or corrections from my mother I will amend them with emboldened ()**

**I will be referring to my mother as Jane for the rest of this document, that’s obviously not her name but it’s to keep the testimony from feeling stilted.**

During the September 1989 MTV Music Awards in Los Angeles California, Jane along with two of her friends were able to sneak back into an after party with multiple celebrities and bands at Universal Studios.

At some point later in the night when both of her friends were not with her Jane was approached by Lou Reed and his manager who I believe from research was Sylvia Morales *(again I literally don’t know anything about this band so if this wrong please tell me)* at the time because to my understanding Jane does not remember who the manager was.

Jane was convinced by Lou Reed to leave out the back door during the after party to his trailer along with his manager. 

Once they were inside the back of the trailer alone Lou Reed made a sexual advancement towards Jane without asking for consent. At this point Jane was being pinned by Lou Reed almost to the point of not being able to move

Lou Reed began, again without asking for consent and not having it, kissing Jane on the lips and cheek area while also holding her body and pulling her into the kiss.

Jane did not immediately physically resist at first but then had to physically fight off Lou Reed and escape the trailer and call security for fear of her safety. At no point did Jane want sexual or romantic contact with Lou Reed or make any indication that is what she wanted. It is also important to note that Jane had turned 18 only 4 months prior while Lou Reed was 48. Lou Reed did not ask for Jane’s age before initiating sexual contact.

It is incredibly important to note that at no point did Lou Reed penetrate Jane with genatalia or with his limbs yet it is unclear wether that would have happened if Jane did not physically resist and fight off Lou Reed.

It has been implied by Jane that the manager was not present in the back of the trailer or did not know what was going on for the most part but it’s not clear if this was the case the entire time or just part of it.

She did not report this to the police because at the time she did not believe what had happened had constituted rape or sexual assault due to her knowing rape requires penetration and not knowing that sexual assault existed on a broader category, she also was wasted and didn’t think about what had happened again until a couple days later. Plus besides her testimony there was no “real evidence” so she just “let it slide”.

OUTRO:

Sexual Assault is defined by any unwanted sexual contact including kissing and handling, a 48 year old man bringing an 18 year old to the back of his trailer and then with no warning making out with them forcing the 18 year old to physically fight them off and call security is disgusting. It’s Sexual Assault and there is no other term to describe it.

I want to be clear that I have no agenda other than bringing light to the deeds that monsters are betting on victims keeping hidden in the dark. I hate that for many people this will leave a stain on the band and on Lou Reed’s legacy. It seems like obviously he was a very beloved/talented musician, but already has a past of violence against women and drug use. This does make me think how many celebrities do things like this and get away with it because so many women are conditioned by society to think that they aren’t entitled to their bodies or what happens to them. They don’t deserve the ability to choose to be kissed or not it just “happens to us.”

My mom is in her middle age now, had me in her late thirties a year after she met my dad and then divorced him too. Had an abusive ex husband before my dad and was married to a third guy for 20 years. I’m her only kid, she works at a nonprofit for women and children who are homeless and survivors of abuse.

When she had me she settled down and moved to a small town where it was safe so she could raise me away from all the hell that was my dad’s family.

I hope that it’s clear that my dumbass couldn’t make up a believable plot for my novella characters let alone something like this. I would post this on my main account but my mom has been through enough harrasment and doxxing in her life and I want her to be able to heal and live in peace without neckbeards on Reddit sending her pipebombs and swat teams. Plus I don’t want people to think I have the motivation of getting clout. I want to get more details but I don’t want to prod too much because we already talked about it for like 3 hours the other day and she doesn’t like it when I obsess over things so maybe in like 6 months I’ll ask her about it again and update this with more details.

- sincerely, ruefully: Jane’s Son

And Finally:

For the people who commented on the original upload on this that it’s not a big deal that a middle aged man lured an 18 year old into the back of his trailer and tried to do God knows what to her is ok because “he didn’t tongue kiss” her or didn’t actually get to penetrating her. You are the reason why women and overall victims don’t get believed. Please feel free to criticize me for how I phrase things because I am not a perfect writer I can only try my best and if I misspeak I will apologize profusely, edit the doc and then we can move on. But the fact that there were more comments talking about how it was “just a kiss” proves how fucked some people are. And thank you to the people who were actually giving constructive criticism to me and being kind to my mother, it makes a difference to be a genuinely good person in this world and I wish I could have discovered Velvet Underground any other way, in another life I guess…

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