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My previous post 12 days ago titled 'Babysitting NBIS: how I am navigating the recent price fluctuations.'  I rolled down to $190 December strike because NBIS got hit two days in a row on 7/28 and 7/29 to get a $38.4 cushion before the earnings date.

I had also mentioned that if the stocks rips on earnings, I'll buy the call back (agreed that it raises my cost basis) and pull the expiry date back in. That is exactly what happened . NBIS had blowout earnings and the stock went up $62.

This is the update after NBIS earnings :

I bought back the December call for $84 (it raised my cost basis to $222.85 ) and immediately sold a September 2026 strike at 260 for $25.1 . As of Friday close, the stock is at $277.38 and if it stays above , max profit will be $3715.

Here is my expected profit profile at expiry at various stock prices at September Expiry

Expected profit profile at expiry in September

Updated trade log after NBIS earnings

I get asked often - what did these trades buy me and is the effort worth it?

My simple answer is - peace of mind and confidence that I have a fighting chance to save my initial investment even as the stock kept falling.

Thesis is still intact and hope to close at a profit in September since the stock is showing technical strength.

If you have access to kindleunlimited, you can read in more details on how to adjust trades when things go wrong at amazon.com/dp/B0H7P6CQSG.

My previous post 12 days ago titled 'Dealing with NBIS Temper tantrums over the past month - Update 8/2/2026'. I rolled down to $190 December strike because NBIS got hit two days in a row on 7/28 and 7/29 to get a $38.4 cushion before the earnings date.

I had also mentioned that if the stocks rips on earnings, I'll buy the call back (agreed that it raises my cost basis) and pull the expiry date back in. That is exactly what happened . NBIS had blowout earnings and the stock went up $62.

So I bought back the December call for $84 (it raised my cost basis to $222.85 ) and immediately sold a September 2026 strike at 260 for $25.1 . As of Friday close, the stock is at $277.38 and if it stays above , max profit will be $3715.

Here is my expected profit profile at expiry at various stock prices at September Expiry;

Expected Profit profile in September

My updated trade log:

Updated Trade log

I get asked often - what did these trades buy me and is the effort worth it?

My simple answer is - peace of mind and confidence that I have a fighting chance to save my initial investment even as the stock kept falling.

Thesis is still intact and hope to close at a profit in September since the stock is showing technical strength.

If you have access to kindleunlimited, you can read in more details on how to adjust trades when things go wrong at amazon.com/dp/B0H7P6CQSG
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My previous post 10 days ago titled 'Dealing with NBIS Temper tantrums over the past month' posted actual trades on how I was managing the volatility in NBIS Stock . The last open covered call was 8/21/2026 expiry Strike 220 taking my cost basis to $198.35. This is an update on the trade, since NBIS refuses to settle down.

As always, my first goal on any trade is getting my capital back. Everything else comes second.

The stock got hit on 7/28 and again on 7/29, and I rolled down both days. The last two rolls were about getting ahead of earnings on 8/12. I purposely went to December because premium ($38.40) provides some extra cushion on earnings date.

My updated trade log(last 4 entries are after the initial post):

Updated trade log

On 7/28,, with the stock falling, I bought back the $220 August call and sold September $210 call , reducing my cost basis to $185.85

On 7/29, the stock fell further. I closed took the $210 September early and sold the December $190 for $38.40 , reducing my cost basis to $163.95. Long dated, but $3,840 in credit on one contract took a lot of pressure off.

As you might have experienced many times with your trades, the minute you sell the call, the stock rips higher right away, as if waiting for you to hit the 'Submit' button . In this case, the stock moved up and closed the week at $190.41 .

My strike is right at the money now, shares at $190.41 against a $163.95 basis. If it gets called away in December, I will make $2,605 on the trade. If the stock falls below 164, I will roll again.

One more thing on the December expiry since I like to plan my exit plan ahead of time on volatile stocks. Going out that far means sitting through earnings, which I don't normally do.

If the stock takes off after the earnings report I'm not going to sit there and watch it run away from a $190 strike. I'll buy the call back (agreed that it raises my cost basis) and pull the expiry date back in. I am very aware that it could result in a whiplash if the stock falls again.

I get asked often - what did these trades buy me and is the effort worth it?

My simple answer is - peace of mind and confidence that I have a fighting chance to save my initial investment even as the stock kept falling.

On 7/17 the stock closed at $178 and traded as low as $164.50 intraday. If I had left the original $270 call alone, it would have expired worthless and I'd have kept the full $2,780 . With the basis at $231.50. and Stock at $178 , I would have been $5,350 underwater on paper. My current cost basis is $163.95 instead..

Thesis is still intact and hope to close at a profit.

My previous post nine days ago posted actual trades on how I was managing the volatility in NBIS Stock . The last open covered call was 8/21/2026 expiry Strike 220 taking my cost basis to $198.35.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CoveredCalls/comments/1v5qi1q/nbis_is_throwing_a_fit_this_is_how_i_am_managing/

As always, my first goal on any trade is getting my capital back. Everything else comes second.

The stock got hit on 7/28 and again on 7/29, and I rolled down both days. The last two rolls were about getting ahead of earnings on 8/12. I purposely went to December because premium ($38.40) provides some extra cushion on earnings date.

My updated trade log(last 4 entries are after the initial post)

Updated trade log

On 7/28,, with the stock falling, I bought back the $220 August call and sold September $210 call , reducing my cost basis to $185.85

On 7/29, the stock fell further. I closed took the $210 September early and sold the December $190 for $38.40 , reducing my cost basis to $163.95. Long dated, but $3,840 in credit on one contract took a lot of pressure off.

Next thing I see is that the stock ripped higher and closed the week at $190.41 .

My strike is right at the money now, shares at $190.41 against a $163.95 basis. If it gets called away in December, I will make $2,605 on the trade. If the stock falls below 164, I will roll again.

One more thing on the December expiry since I like to plan my exit plan ahead of time on volatile stocks. Going out that far means sitting through earnings, which I don't normally do.

If the stock takes off after the earnings report I'm not going to sit there and watch it run away from a $190 strike. I'll buy the call back (agreed that it raises my cost basis) and pull the expiry date back in. I am very aware that it could result in a whiplash if the stock falls again.

I get asked often - what did these trades buy me and is the effort worth it?

My simple answer is - peace of mind and confidence that I have a fighting chance to save my initial investment even as the stock kept falling.

On 7/17 the stock closed at $178 and traded as low as $164.50 intraday. If I had left the original $270 call alone, it would have expired worthless and I'd have kept the full $2,780 . With the basis at $231.50. and Stock at $178 , I would have been $5,350 underwater on paper. My current cost basis is $163.95 instead..

Thesis is still intact and hope to close at a profit.

I bought 100 shares of NBIS on 6/24/2026 at $259.30. Since then it's traded from $270 down to the $150s and back, and it closed Friday at $190.41.

My first goal on any trade is getting my capital back. Everything else comes second. I sell covered calls to bring the cost basis down and roll them when the stock swings against me.

Background on the entry on this trade is as follows: NBIS was $287 on 6/18 and closed at $257 on 6/24. I got in at $259.30 and sold the 7/17 $270 call for $27.80. Plan was to get assigned at $270 and bank $3,850. Unfortunately, it did not pan out as planned.

Here is my trade history as of now:

NBIS Trade history

So far i have realized $5695 on the rolls.. Cost basis has gone down from $259.30 to $163.95.

The 7/17 buyback of the $210 for a $230 loss . That was when the TOS indicators were flashing an upward squeeze, that eventually failed.

So this is what rolling has bought me. On 7/17 the stock closed at $178 and traded as low as $164.50 intraday. If I had left the original $270 call alone, it would have expired worthless and I'd have kept the full $2,780 . With the basis at $231.50. and Stock at $178 , I would have been $5,350 underwater on paper. My current cost basis is $163.95 instead.

The last two rolls were about getting ahead of earnings on 8/12. I purposely went to December because premium ($38.40) provides some extra cushion on earnings date. The rational being:

The stock got hit on 7/28 and again on 7/29, and I rolled down both days. On 7/29 I took the $210 September off and sold the December $190 for $38.40. Long dated, but $3,840 in credit on one contract took a lot of pressure off. Then the stock ripped the next day and closed the week at $190.41.

My strike is right at the money now, shares at $190.41 against a $163.95 basis. If it gets called away in December, I will make $2,605 on the trade. If the stock falls below 164, I will roll again.

One more thing on the December expiry since I like to plan my exit plan ahead of time on volatile stocks. Going out that far means sitting through earnings, which I don't normally do.

If the stock takes off after the report I'm not going to sit there and watch it run away from a $190 strike. I'll buy the call back (agreed that it raises my cost basis) and pull the expiry date back in. I am very aware that it could result in a whiplash if the stock falls again.

Not over yet. Goal is still capital preservation even if I finish at zero profit. Thesis hasn't broken and I think this one comes back.

Not a financial advisor, none of this is trade advice, just showing how I'm handling my own position.

I have been managing my trade on on NBIS since I bought 100 shares on 6/24/2026. The stock has fluctuated between $270.8 and $160 since then, and currently stands at $189 as of 7/24/2026 close.

My first and foremost goal is preserving initial capital deployed. I sell covered calls to lower my cost basis and manage the trade by rolling the covered calls as needed to adjust for the wild swings.

NBIS fell from $287 on 6/18/206 to closed at $257 on 6/24/2026. I bought the shares at $259.3 and sold a $270 covered call for 7/17/2026 expiry. The goal was to take assignment and bank $3850 as maximum target Profit on the trade.

The stock had had a couple of wild swings over the last month. Below is my trade History by date.

Trade Log - the price you pay for owing a volatile stock

Throughout this period, with all the fluctuations in the stock. I have now reduced my cost basis from $259.33 to $198.35. Hoping the stock stays above $220 (and all signs point to that for now) and my max profit will be $2165. I am OK with it.

On 7/17, the stock closed at $178 and was down to $164.5 intra-day (my Initial covered call) . If I had done nothing , my call would have expired. netting me $2780. My cost basis would have been $231.5 ( $259.3 - $27.8) , and my loss would have been ($231.5 - $178) = $5350 on paper.

Thursday Close - $220 - was hoping it would hold but fell to $188 by Friday's close (7/24) . Will watch closely next week. If it falls more, will roll it in to a lower strike but for September. Not over yet till the fat lady sings and the goal is to preserve the capital deployed even if means zero profit. Thesis is not broken yet. I believe this stock will bounce back .

Disclaimer - I am not a trade advisor and this presentation is only on how I am managing this trade. no Financial or trade advice. If you have access to kindle unlimited, you can read about how I make adjustments in general on trades gone wrong (not that this one is at amazon.com/dp/B0H7P6CQSG

I have been managing my trade on on NBIS since I bought 100 shares on 6/24/2026. The stock has fluctuated between $270.8 and $160 since then, and currently stands at $218.16 as of 7/23/2026 close.

My first and foremost goal is preserving initial capital deployed. I sell covered calls to lower my cost basis and manage the trade by rolling the covered calls as needed to adjust for the wild swings.

NBIS fell from $287 on 6/18/206 to closed at $257 on 6/24/2026. I bought the shares at $259.3 and sold a $270 covered call for 7/17/2026 expiry. The goal was to take assignment and bank $3850 as maximum target Profit on the trade.

The stock had had a couple of wild swings over the last month. Below is my trade History by date.

Trade Log

Throughout this period, with all the fluctuations in the stock. I have now reduced my cost basis from $259.33 to $198.35. Hoping the stock stays above $220 (and all signs point to that for now) and my max profit will be $2165. I am OK with it.

On 7/17, the stock closed at $178 and was down to $164.5 intra-day (my Initial covered call) . If I had done nothing , my call would have expired. netting me $2780. My cost basis would have been $231.5 ( $259.3 - $27.8) , and my loss would have been ($231.5 - $178) = $5350 on paper.

As it stands today , i stand to get assigned, hopefully at $220. It is a smaller profit that originally planned, but not complaining at all. Preserved my capital so far.. Not over yet till the fat lady sings.

DISCLAIMER: Illustrative example, not my live book. Not financial advice, just how I look at my own account.

With all the craze around AI stocks, data center builders and photonics names that we retail traders chase relentlessly, I took a hard look at my own book the other day. Eight or nine positions, covered calls written on every one of them, premium coming in steadily. I felt diversified and secure that my portfolio was well managed.

Then something hit me. These aren't eight different bets. They're one bet, and the premium I'm collecting is nowhere near big enough to handle what happens if it goes against me all at once

Most of us run covered calls one position at a time. You own the shares, you sell the 30 delta call, you collect the premium, you roll or let it get called. Repeat. Each position has its own little routine and its own little cushion of premium underneath it.

And if you own eight or nine names doing this, it feels diversified. Eight separate positions, eight separate premiums, eight separate decisions.

Then you get a red day, and every single one of them is down at the same time, and the premium you collected on each barely registers.

Here's what I think is actually going on, and it took me a while to see it.

If those names are NVDA, AMD, PLTR, NBIS, AAOI and a few more chip and AI names, you don't have eight covered calls. You have one covered call on the Nasdaq, chopped into eight tickets. They don't move independently. They move together, in the same direction, for the same reasons. So the diversification you thought you had was never really there, and the premium on each one is cushioning a risk that isn't independent.

The delta on your call won't tell you this. Delta measures your one option against its one stock. It says nothing about whether your eight stocks are all the same bet wearing different names.

A Concentrated Portfolio

Here's a $100k example book. Eight AI and chip names. Add up the plain dollars and it's $100,000. But each of these swings harder than the market does, so if you weight each one by how hard it actually moves, the book behaves like about $161,000 of QQQ. Blended beta 1.61.

That number is the whole point. On a 10% Nasdaq drop you're not down $10k, you're down closer to $16k. Now compare that to the premium you collected across those eight calls. It's not close. The premium is a rounding error against the real move, and that's the gap most of us never actually measure.

While we're here, there's a second thing that makes a covered call look safer than it is.

Covered call is not as safe as I think

Say you bought 100 shares at $120, it ran to $175, and you've got a call sold at the $130 strike. Your screen shows $17,500 and a big green number. You will never see that $17,500. You're capped at $130, so the most those shares can hand you is $13,000. And the money actually at risk if the thing craters is your cost basis, around $11,200 after the premium you've collected, not the $17,500 the screen is showing you.

Market value flatters a covered call in both directions. It makes the gain look bigger than it is and the risk look smaller than it is. (Sidenote - Measuring the risk against the basis is way I am looking at things then more I think about this)

So what do you do about it?

You can trim a name. Or you can put an actual floor under the whole book with QQQ puts, which is the thing the beta number makes possible, because now you know how much QQQ you're really carrying. The example book moves like $161k of QQQ, so that's what you're covering, not the $100k of raw dollars.

What the hedge does on a bad day

Two things this shows that usually get skipped.

The puts cost you a little when nothing bad happens. They're bought out of the money to keep them cheap, so on a small 5% dip they haven't done anything yet and you're just out the premium. That's the deductible.

And more coverage means more cost and more protection. The partial ladder runs about $650 and takes the edge off. The full one runs about $1,300 and caps a 20% crash at roughly an $11k loss instead of $32k. Even the full hedge doesn't get you to zero, which is the deductible again. You could buy the puts closer to the money and floor it tighter, but the premium climbs fast and at some point you're paying so much for insurance it defeats the purpose.

None of this is a reason to stop selling calls on AI names. I do it every week. I just want to stop pretending the premium is doing more work than it is. It's income. It is not a hedge. Once you see the book move like $161k of QQQ instead of $100k of "eight different names," you can decide whether that's fine or whether you want a floor under it.

How do you all think about this across all your positions at once, or do you just run each covered call on its own?

DISCLAIMER - I am not a trade advisor and any content provided below is only for educational purposes. This is how evaluate risk on my portfolio if the stock market were to fall.

We all run the wheel one position at a time. You've got your rules. Sell the 30 delta put, roll around 50%, close it out near 21 days, never sell a call under your basis. And if somebody asks how your account is set up, you probably say something like "I'm spread out, I've got eight or nine names, I'm not all-in on any single one."

Then comes the follow up: "what does your account do on a bad market day?" And if you're honest, the answer is usually "everything's red, but that's just the market."

That answer is where the blind spot hides, and most of us don't know it's there.

Here's the thing. If those eight or nine names are NVDA, AMD, PLTR, NBIS, AAOI and a couple more chip and AI names, you don't really have eight positions. You have one position wearing eight jerseys. On a green day it looks diversified. On a day QQQ drops 3%, every one of those puts gets tested at the same time, in the same direction. The spread you thought you had was never there.

Delta will never show you this since it measures one option against its own stock and gives you the odds of that one strike getting hit. It says nothing about whether your eight stocks all move together. Eight 0.30 delta puts on eight AI names are not eight small independent risks. They're one big, correlated risk cut into eight slices so it feels smaller than it is.

There's a simple way to see it, and it's less scary than it sounds. It's called beta weighting. Beta is just how hard a stock swings compared to the index. If NVDA has a beta around 1.65, that means when QQQ falls 1%, NVDA tends to fall about 1.65%. So instead of adding up your dollars, you weight each name by how hard it moves, then add those up. What you get is one honest number: how much QQQ your whole book behaves like.

Eight names - One Bet

Here's a $100k example book to make it concrete. Eight AI and chip names we hear about almost daily now-a-days. Add up the plain dollars and it's $100,000. Weight each name by its beta and the book behaves like ~$161,000 of QQQ. The blended beta is 1.61. So a book that reads "$100k, nicely spread out actually carries the punch of $161k pointed straight at the Nasdaq.

That changes the math on a bad day. On a 10% QQQ drop you're not down $10k, you're down closer to $16k. That extra $6k you didn't know about is the blind spot, turned into a number.

One more thing of note, because it hides risk the same way.

A covered call looks safer than it is

When you check your risk, look at it against your cost basis, not the market value on your screen. Say you bought 100 shares at $120 and it's run to $175, and you've got a call sold at the $130 strike. Your screen shows $17,500 and a fat green gain. You will never see that number. You're capped at $130, so the most those shares hand you will be $13,000. And the money actually at risk if the thing craters is your cost basis, around $11,200 after the premium you've collected, not the $17,500 on the screen. Market value makes a covered call look calmer and richer than it really is.

Now that you've got a real number for how exposed you are - what do you do with it?

You can trim a name or two. Or you can put a floor under the whole book with a QQQ put ladder. This is where the beta number earns its keep, because it tells you how much QQQ to hedge. Our example book moves like $161k of QQQ, so that is what you're covering, not the $100k of raw dollars.

What the hedge does on a bad day

Two honest points this chart makes that most hedge talk skips.

First, the puts cost you a little when nothing bad happens. They're bought out of the money to keep them cheap, so on a small 5% dip they haven't kicked in yet and you're just out the premium. That is akin to deductible on the insurance.

Second, more coverage means more cost and more protection, and neither one is free. The partial ladder here runs about $650 and softens a big drop. The full ladder runs about $1,300 and caps a 20% crash at roughly an $11k loss instead of $32k. Notice even the full hedge doesn't get you to zero. That is the deductible again. You could buy the puts closer to the money and floor it tighter, but the premium climbs fast, and at some point you're paying so much for insurance it isn't worth it.

I'm not writing this to scare anyone off AI names. I wheel them every week. I just want the number I'm managing to be the real one. Once you see your book move like $161k of QQQ instead of $100k of "spread out names," you can decide if you're fine with that or put a cheap floor under it.

How do you all keep an eye on correlation across your positions, or do you just manage each one on its own?

We all pick option strikes based on standard rules we have set for ourselves – say DTE and Delta and if somebody asks you how you sell covered calls, your reply is: "I sell 30 delta puts" or "I sell 20 delta calls."

The next question they put to you is – "how has it worked so far for you?". And probably your reply is "Most of the time it works, but I do get assigned sometimes. It hurts to lose a stock I would like to keep." In case of Cash secured puts you might end up saying "I hate to get saddled with a stock I did not want."

The problem is that choosing strikes based solely on Delta (and partly gut feel) creates a blind spot that many of us are not aware of. We know the probability of a strike getting hit (because delta told us so), but it tells you nothing about where the volume actually traded over the past 30 days. Two strikes with identical deltas can have completely different real-world risk depending on what the volume chart looks like underneath them.

That's where volume profile comes in. If you've never used it: it's just the volume chart turned sideways. Instead of showing how much traded each day, it shows how much traded at each price. Thick bars are called shelves (prices where tons of shares changed hands, where lots of people have their cost basis, and where price tends to slow down and get sticky). Thin bars are called 'air pockets' (prices the market skipped through quickly and there is nothing to grab onto when the stock is falling).

Three numbers matter:

- POC (Point of Control) — the single price with the most volume. Acts like a magnet.

- Value Area High / Low — the band containing ~70% of all the volume.

If you look at the Volume profile on NVDA for the past 30 days on any trading tool, you will find that the the stock spent most of the past 30 days inside this band -

https://preview.redd.it/3niqgrkuu1ch1.png?width=837&format=png&auto=webp&s=a1f86c673a7ac85f1e86f18f126acfb6ceffe66d

POC at 217.89

Value area high at 226.96

Value area low at 208.69

As of yesterday closing. NVDA at 205 is trading below the entire value area. Keep that in mind. The explanation below will hopefully change your perspective on how you sell covered calls and cash secured puts.

Covered call side (July 17, 36 DTE):

A pure delta seller looks at the chain and grabs the ~30 delta call: the 220 strike for ~$5.05, which is a decent premium. However, the 220 strike sits barely $2 above the POC at $217.89 which was the most traded price on the entire chart. If NVDA were to suddenly start rising, this POC price is exactly where it will gravitate to. Delta says 30% and treats every 220-area strike almost the same. The chart says your strike is parked $2 above the most-traded price of the past month — the exact level price gravitates to on any bounce.

In contrast, a 230 strike, ~21 delta, ~$2.88 is above the value area high at 226.96. For your shares to get called away, NVDA must bounce off the lows, and the price has to work its way through the entire value area, not to mention the sticky POC price of $217.9 where things slow down. Agreed that you collect less premium, but there is a higher likelihood of you getting to keep the shares of NVDA that you love to hold on to.

Cash-secured put side:

If you wanted to sell a cash secured put on a stock you wouldn't mind owning at the right price, you believe NVDA had been down for a while and it is easy money if you sold a ~30 delta put $10 below the current price, 195 strike for $5.80. This is the trap that you do not want to fall into.

What delta is telling you is that there is a 70% chance it will expire worthless and you get to keep $580.

NVDA has already fallen out of value area low at $208.69. There is no thick volume shelf directly underneath the current price. The heavy cost-basis support is above $205 (at $208.69), not below it. So that "70% safe" is no longer a safe bet.

So you have two choices. (A) go further down to the 190 strike (~25 delta, ~$4.31) to buy additional safety cushion (B) wait for price to reclaim 208.69 and sell the put after there is a shelf under it again.

I stick to option (B) - Sometimes the best trade is not to trade at all till the time is right.

I pick a strike above the Value Area High price in case of covered call and a strike below the Value Area Low price, if and only if the stock has reclaimed the value area low (in this example, $208.69).

Will this method always provide the desired outcome? NO.

Earnings, geopolitical issues, overnight news ignore all levels on a chart. Volume profile shifts odds in your favor. Position sizing and your profit-taking rules still do most of the work.

HOW TO MANAGE A TRADE GONE WRONG

No matter what ticker I use .. These are the rules for CC and CSP initiated wheels that I use . If you want more details on the blogs tied to these links, please DM me.

https://imgur.com/a/covered-call-ksnN117

https://imgur.com/a/cash-secured-put-wSbTsX9

Besides the basics, the links above show how Greeks interact close to expiry and traps to avoid.

If you have kindleUnlimited membership, you can read about how to manage the position when trades go wrong.

https://www.amazon.com/Options-Adjustment-Playbook-strategies-against-ebook/dp/B0H7P6CQSG/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1M9VSKFYYGFJ1&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.dWbuO4rC1IzmUJwsCT2pwQ.7UVjSoRn0UVChZlDlI8DM6LeODHvYhPCIsx24yyRK80&dib_tag=se.

Any comments on how you pick your strikes and make this better would be appreciated.

Quick note: In the illustrative example , the strikes and premiums below are constructed. The drift of the problem itself is real and I am trying to understand how many people see this. STT is charged on every transaction whether the trade wins or loses, the Budget 2026 hike took options STT to 0.15% on the sell side from 1 April 2026, and a multi-leg trade multiplies these charges across every single leg. The charge math uses the actual 2026 rates. Plug in your own broker’s contract-note numbers and the conclusion holds

Most of us read P&L straight off the broker terminal or a basic journal. That number is just the premium difference. It does not subtract STT, brokerage, exchange charges, GST and stamp duty, and on a multi-leg trade those land on every leg you trade.

Condors are the worst offenders for this. One position is four legs to open. The moment you adjust a tested side you add four more. Close it out before expiry and that is four more again. Twelve orders for one trade is completely normal. STT hits you on every sell whether the trade made money or not.

Condor-net vs Gross

The Setup :

Nifty iron condor, 1 lot (lot size 65, the current NSE size from Jan 2026), index around 25,000. Charges are Zerodha-style: ₹20 per order, STT 0.15% on sell premium, exchange 0.03503%, SEBI 0.0001%, stamp 0.003% on buys, GST 18% on (brokerage + exchange + SEBI).

Day 1, open the condor (4 legs) :

Sell the 24700 PE and 25300 CE, buy the 24500 PE and 25500 CE for protection. Net credit collected: +₹4,160.

Day 8, Nifty rallies toward 25,250 and the call side is under pressure. Roll the call spread up (4 legs):

Buy back the 25300 CE, sell the 25500 CE, then sell a new 25600 CE and buy a new 25800 CE. This adjustment costs: −₹1,820.

Day 15, exit everything before expiry to avoid pin risk (4 legs): close all remaining legs. This costs: −₹2,145.

What the terminal shows vs what actually happens is disconcerting.

Broker Terminal vs Actual Outcome

Gross P&L on the terminal: +₹195

Total charges across 12 legs: ₹322

Actual P&L: −₹127

The charges came to 165% of the gross profit. The trade shows green on the screen and red in the account. And this is a condor that worked. It stayed in range after the adjustment

The part that catches people

When you adjust, the broker and most journals treat the roll as a brand new trade. You end up looking at the original condor as one line and the adjustment as another, both small and harmless on their own, and you never see the combined truth. The adjustment is not a new trade. It is the same position. P&L only means something when the whole lifecycle, every leg and every charge, sits under one trade.

It is not just condors. Covered calls have the same trap .

Say you own a lot of some stock and you start writing covered calls against it. Every call you sell brings in premium, which lowers your effective cost basis. That lower basis is the number that tells you which strike you can safely roll to, because you do not want to roll into a strike that locks in a loss if you get assigned.

Here is the catch. The premium that actually lowers your basis is the premium after charges, not the number on the screen. And when you roll, the buyback is a debit that pushes your basis back up, on top of fresh charges on both legs. Track only the gross premium and your basis looks lower than it really is, so a strike you think clears your cost basis can actually sit below it once charges are counted. You roll to it, get assigned, and book a small loss you never knew you were taking.

Same principle as the condor. The number that decides your roll strike is the running net cost basis after every premium, every buyback, and every charge. Eyeball the gross and your real breakeven quietly walks up on you over a long call-writing campaign.

How do you track this : Whether it is a condor with adjustments or a long covered-call campaign, the net-of-charges cost basis is the number that actually decides your next move, and the broker terminal does not show it. Spreadsheets, a journal app, broker reports? Curious what people here actually use.

Not financial advice. Just an observation

 

I was curious how many of you trading stocks and options use a Journal to manage, record your trades and get additional insights into your cost basis , P&L etc. instead of using spreadsheets for the Indian stock market ?

This followup post shows another feature of the app that I built.

It helps pick covered call and cash-secured put strikes using volume profile, not delta alone. In accordance with the rules of Software Sunday and intended for information purposes.

The original post showing all the features of the app: https://www.reddit.com/r/Daytrading/comments/1tmdnyw/built_a_wheelstrategy_journal_and_more_because_i/

Most of us pick strikes on DTE and delta — "I sell 20 delta calls," "I sell 30 delta puts." Delta tells you the probability a strike gets hit. It tells you nothing about where the volume actually traded. Two strikes with identical deltas can carry very different real-world risk depending on what's underneath them.

Volume profile is just the volume chart turned sideways — instead of how much traded each day, it shows how much traded at each price. Thick bars are shelves (where lots of cost basis sits and price gets sticky). Thin bars are air pockets (where price slides through with nothing to grab). Three numbers matter: POC (the single most-traded price, acts like a magnet), and the Value Area High / Low (the band holding ~70% of the volume).

Example — NVDA, ~1 month, daily bars (my app): POC 213.42, Value Area High 227.77, Value Area Low 209.17. NVDA at 205.19 is trading below the entire value area. Keep that in mind.

POC/Val High/Val Low calculated by my App

Covered call (July 17, 33 DTE): A pure delta seller grabs the ~30 delta 220 call for $4.35 (0.31 delta). Today that's inside the value area, below the VAH of 227.77. But notice how much this depends on where the POC sits: just last week the POC was up near 217 — which would have put your 220 strike just $2 above the most-traded price of the month, the exact level price snaps back to on any bounce. The POC moves as volume builds, and a strike that looks fine today can be parked right on the magnet a week later.

POC last week was ~217

The 230 strike (~19 delta, $2.34) sits above the value area high either way. For your shares to get called away, NVDA has to climb back through the whole value area and past the sticky POC. Less premium, but a far better shot at keeping the shares you wanted to hold — and it stays above the value area even as the POC drifts.

Covered calls recommendation in my App

Cash-secured put: The "easy money" 195 put (~30 delta, $5.00) looks ~70% safe. But NVDA has already fallen out of the value area low at 209.17 — there's no thick shelf under the current price. That "70% safe" isn't anymore. Two choices: (A) drop to the 190 strike (~23 delta, $3.65) for cushion, or (B) wait for price to reclaim 209.17 so there's a shelf under it again.

CSPs recommended by my App

I take (B). Sometimes the best trade is not trading until the time is right. Rule of thumb: CC strike above Value Area High; CSP strike below Value Area Low — and only once the stock has reclaimed the value area low.

How do the app's levels compare to TOS? screenshot below:

App vs TOS Comparison

Correction : TOS COLUMN - POC and Value Area Low got flipped by mistake . Differnce Levels agree withn ~$1.50 ..Apologies .

The app pulls daily bars from a free data source (Yahoo) over a ~1-month lookback; TOS uses its own feed. Small differences in the exact bars each side sees — stale or slightly different daily data, or a lookback off by a few sessions — can shift POC and the value-area edges by a few dollars on an active name like NVDA. VAH lines up almost exactly here; POC and VAL land in the same neighborhood. What matters for strike selection is the conclusion, and both agree: NVDA is trading below its value area.

Does this always work? No. Earnings, geopolitics, and overnight news ignore every level on a chart. Volume profile just shifts the odds in your favor — position sizing and your profit-taking rules still do most of the work.

Free trial at https://myoptiondiary.com

Qualifier before anybody asks - This post is about Picking the right CC and Cash secured out based on Delta 9which only tells the partial story) and using Volume pricing in conjunction to minimize chances of assignment or losses. This is a Cash-secured puts thread, so you have to pardon the CC part. it is still relevant, because once the CSP is assigned , you will end up writing covered calls against the assigned shares.

We all pick option strikes based on standard rules we have set for ourselves – say DTE and Delta and if somebody asks you how you sell covered calls, your reply is: "I sell 30 delta puts" or "I sell 20 delta calls."

The next question they put to you is – "how has it worked so far for you?". And probably your reply is "Most of the time it works, but I do get assigned sometimes. It hurts to lose a stock I would like to keep." In case of Cash secured puts you might end up saying "I hate to get saddled with a stock I did not want."

The problem is that choosing strikes based solely on Delta (and partly gut feel) creates a blind spot that many of us are not aware of. We know the probability of a strike getting hit (because delta told us so), but it tells you nothing about where the volume actually traded over the past 30 days. Two strikes with identical deltas can have completely different real-world risk depending on what the volume chart looks like underneath them.

That's where volume profile comes in. If you've never used it: it's just the volume chart turned sideways. Instead of showing how much traded each day, it shows how much traded at each price. Thick bars are called shelves (prices where tons of shares changed hands, where lots of people have their cost basis, and where price tends to slow down and get sticky). Thin bars are called 'air pockets' (prices the market skipped through quickly and there is nothing to grab onto when the stock is falling).

Three numbers matter:

- POC (Point of Control) — the single price with the most volume. Acts like a magnet.

- Value Area High / Low — the band containing ~70% of all the volume.

If you look at the Volume profile on NVDA for the past 30 days on any trading tool, you will find that the the stock spent most of the past 30 days inside this band -

https://preview.redd.it/x68x72kw9v6h1.png?width=1421&format=png&auto=webp&s=94498c72d87b650d2bd23554f84c7074c44ffc2c

POC at 217.89

Value area high at 226.96

Value area low at 208.69

As of yesterday closing. NVDA at 205 is trading below the entire value area. Keep that in mind. The explanation below will hopefully change your perspective on how you sell covered calls and cash secured puts.

Covered call side (July 17, 36 DTE):

A pure delta seller looks at the chain and grabs the ~30 delta call: the 220 strike for ~$5.05, which is a decent premium. However, the 220 strike sits barely $2 above the POC at $217.89 which was the most traded price on the entire chart. If NVDA were to suddenly start rising, this POC price is exactly where it will gravitate to. Delta says 30% and treats every 220-area strike almost the same. The chart says your strike is parked $2 above the most-traded price of the past month — the exact level price gravitates to on any bounce.

In contrast, a 230 strike, ~21 delta, ~$2.88 is above the value area high at 226.96. For your shares to get called away, NVDA must bounce off the lows, and the price has to work its way through the entire value area, not to mention the sticky POC price of $217.9 where things slow down. Agreed that you collect less premium, but there is a higher likelihood of you getting to keep the shares of NVDA that you love to hold on to.

Cash-secured put side:

If you wanted to sell a cash secured put on a stock you wouldn't mind owning at the right price, you believe NVDA had been down for a while and it is easy money if you sold a ~30 delta put $10 below the current price, 195 strike for $5.80. This is the trap that you do not want to fall into.

What delta is telling you is that there is a 70% chance it will expire worthless and you get to keep $580.

NVDA has already fallen out of value area low at $208.69. There is no thick volume shelf directly underneath the current price. The heavy cost-basis support is above $205 (at $208.69), not below it. So that "70% safe" is no longer a safe bet.

So you have two choices. (A) go further down to the 190 strike (~25 delta, ~$4.31) to buy additional safety cushion (B) wait for price to reclaim 208.69 and sell the put after there is a shelf under it again.

I stick to option (B) - Sometimes the best trade is not to trade at all till the time is right.

I pick a strike above the Value Area High price in case of covered call and a strike below the Value Area Low price, if and only if the stock has reclaimed the value area low (in this example, $208.69).

Will this method always provide the desired outcome? NO.

Earnings, geopolitical issues, overnight news ignore all levels on a chart. Volume profile shifts odds in your favor. Position sizing and your profit-taking rules still do most of the work.

We all pick option strikes based on standard rules we have set for ourselves – say DTE and Delta and if somebody asks you how you sell covered calls, your reply is: "I sell 30 delta puts" or "I sell 20 delta calls."

The next question they put to you is – "how has it worked so far for you?". And probably your reply is "Most of the time it works, but I do get assigned sometimes. It hurts to lose a stock I would like to keep." In case of Cash secured puts you might end up saying "I hate to get saddled with a stock I did not want."

The problem is that choosing strikes based solely on Delta (and partly gut feel) creates a blind spot that many of us are not aware of. We know the probability of a strike getting hit (because delta told us so), but it tells you nothing about where the volume actually traded over the past 30 days. Two strikes with identical deltas can have completely different real-world risk depending on what the volume chart looks like underneath them.

That's where volume profile comes in. If you've never used it: it's just the volume chart turned sideways. Instead of showing how much traded each day, it shows how much traded at each price. Thick bars are called shelves (prices where tons of shares changed hands, where lots of people have their cost basis, and where price tends to slow down and get sticky). Thin bars are called 'air pockets' (prices the market skipped through quickly and there is nothing to grab onto when the stock is falling).

Three numbers matter:

- POC (Point of Control) — the single price with the most volume. Acts like a magnet.

- Value Area High / Low — the band containing ~70% of all the volume.

If you look at the Volume profile on NVDA for the past 30 days on any trading tool, you will find that the the stock spent most of the past 30 days inside this band -

POC at 217.89

Value area high at 226.96

Value area low at 208.69

As of yesterday closing. NVDA at 205 is trading below the entire value area. Keep that in mind. The explanation below will hopefully change your perspective on how you sell covered calls and cash secured puts.

Covered call side (July 17, 36 DTE):

A pure delta seller looks at the chain and grabs the ~30 delta call: the 220 strike for ~$5.05, which is a decent premium. However, the 220 strike sits barely $2 above the POC at $217.89 which was the most traded price on the entire chart. If NVDA were to suddenly start rising, this POC price is exactly where it will gravitate to. Delta says 30% and treats every 220-area strike almost the same. The chart says your strike is parked $2 above the most-traded price of the past month — the exact level price gravitates to on any bounce.

In contrast, a 230 strike, ~21 delta, ~$2.88 is above the value area high at 226.96. For your shares to get called away, NVDA must bounce off the lows, and the price has to work its way through the entire value area, not to mention the sticky POC price of $217.9 where things slow down. Agreed that you collect less premium, but there is a higher likelihood of you getting to keep the shares of NVDA that you love to hold on to.

Cash-secured put side:

If you wanted to sell a cash secured put on a stock you wouldn't mind owning at the right price, you believe NVDA had been down for a while and it is easy money if you sold a ~30 delta put $10 below the current price, 195 strike for $5.80. This is the trap that you do not want to fall into.

What delta is telling you is that there is a 70% chance it will expire worthless and you get to keep $580.

NVDA has already fallen out of value area low at $208.69. There is no thick volume shelf directly underneath the current price. The heavy cost-basis support is above $205 (at $208.69), not below it. So that "70% safe" is no longer a safe bet.

So you have two choices. (A) go further down to the 190 strike (~25 delta, ~$4.31) to buy additional safety cushion (B) wait for price to reclaim 208.69 and sell the put after there is a shelf under it again.

I stick to option (B) - Sometimes the best trade is not to trade at all till the time is right.

I pick a strike above the Value Area High price in case of covered call and a strike below the Value Area Low price, if and only if the stock has reclaimed the value area low (in this example, $208.69).

Will this method always provide the desired outcome? NO.

Earnings, geopolitical issues, overnight news ignore all levels on a chart. Volume profile shifts odds in your favor. Position sizing and your profit-taking rules still do most of the work.

Quick frame before anyone asks: I'm not rolling anything early here. My $150 call isn't at 21 DTE yet, so by my own rules it's not time to touch it. This post is a demo of how I stress test a roll before I place it — pre-checking a scenario, not making a trade. And the "behind plan" number you'll see at the end isn't from rolling early. It's what happens if the stock keeps falling to $135, which would be true whenever I rolled. The point of the post is to stress test , not the timing.

Most trades start the same way. You buy the stock, sell a call against it, and pick a strike you'd be okay getting assigned at if it runs. The profit you'd make if it gets called away there is the number you were going for. I call it the Thesis P&L.

It's worth remembering, because once you start rolling, it's the first thing you forget. When compared to the realized P&L after the trade is closed, it is a measure of my ability to pick my trade candidates successfully.

Then the stock falls instead of rising. So you do what everyone does. You roll, collect more premium, and defend the position. Every roll shows a credit and every credit feels like a win. But the credit doesn't tell you where your whole trade actually stands.

That's what a stress test is for, and this post is really just a demo of how I run one before I commit to a roll. The question it answers is simple:

If I roll this call and the stock keeps dropping to the lowest price I think is realistic, where does the whole trade stand? Not the roll credit. The shares, all the premium, everything.

Here's the live position I'll use to show it.

Trade History

I bought 100 PLTR at $137.45 and sold the August $140 call for $1,820. The plan was to let it get called away at $140 for about $2,075 total. That's my Thesis P&L.

My rule is simple: sell calls around 45 DTE, then roll at 21 DTE or 50% profit, whichever comes first, and never hold into expiration week.

The first $140 call was the exception. It was longer-dated than I normally trade, so it broke my 45-DTE rule from the start. I closed it out for a small net gain of +$224 and moved on.

Then I rolled into the $150 for another $585, expiring July 17. Total realized so far is +$809. Position is still green and hedged.

I'm not rolling the $150 yet. My rule says wait for 21 DTE, so I'll let it sit until then. But after the drop in Tech and AI names on 6/6, I wanted to know ahead of time what a roll out to August would actually look like if the stock keeps sliding. So I stress tested it.

The question: if the stock doesn't recover, I keep my shares, and it drifts down to $135, where does the whole trade stand?

Here's what the stress test showed.

Model Output

The roll banks +$902, and the whole position is still +$882. Green roll, green position, nothing looks wrong. But I opened this trade to make $2,075.

At $135 I'd be at +$882. That's about $1,193 below my plan, and I'd have felt fine the whole way because every roll was a credit.

The credit was real and the position was green. Neither one told me I was behind.. I set out to make $2,075 and the math says I'd have given back more than half of it without noticing.

This is why I run the stress test.

(1) I give it the roll and a price that scares me

(2) It shows three numbers together: the roll credit, the whole-position P&L, and the Thesis P&L I started with. So I know if the roll helps, if I'm really still up, and how far I am from the plan — before I place the order, not after.

It helps on every trade, not just this one. I stop reading a green credit as a winning trade. I can see where rolling stops helping. And I know how far I've drifted from what I set out to make, which is usually the sign to stop rolling and just take the assignment.

Rolling is fine. Rolling without checking the whole position against your plan is how you end up green and still behind

For those of you who roll — do you check the whole position against your original target before you roll, or mostly go off the credit

This post shows how the app manages/records adjustments to Iron Condors/Calendars/iron Butterfly/Diagonals. This post is in accordance with rules of Software Sunday and is intended for information purposes

Last week on software Sunday, I had presented an Stock options Trading Journal App called MyOptionDiary and how its workflow handles covered calls (Alerts--> Roll options--> Assignment etc )

https://www.reddit.com/r/Daytrading/comments/1tswupc/followup_with_a_video_on_my_previous_post_showing/

The original post showing all the features of the app was :

https://www.reddit.com/r/Daytrading/comments/1tmdnyw/built_a_wheelstrategy_journal_and_more_because_i/.

All apps, including this one , provide appropriate alerts when any position in these strategies are at risk e.g. the stock price might be close to the short strike in an Iron Condor.

(1) The app provides an alert that looks like this

Alert in app for Iron Condor Position in trouble

SPY IC Chain #133 · 2 legs. Stock $653.00 is within 5% of put short $635 — the spread is approaching its tested zone.

◐Stock $653.00 is within 5% of call short $670 — the spread is approaching its tested zone.

◐IC loss equals max credit — loss equals the original credit — a common stop-loss reference point.

(2) You then go to the Trade log , find the relevant Iron Condor Chain .. In this example, Chain #133. The app stores the trade as below

How th app stores an Iron Condor Chain

(3) You click the blue 'AdjIC' button and the modal to adjust the Iron Condor opens will all 7 possible options to adjust the trade. The video below shows the details

Recording adjustment to Iron Condor in trouble

Free trial available at https://myoptiondiary.com

Quick frame before anyone asks: I'm not rolling anything early here. My $150 call isn't at 21 DTE yet, so by my own rules it's not time to touch it. This post is a demo of how I stress test a roll before I place it — pre-checking a scenario, not making a trade. And the "behind plan" number you'll see at the end isn't from rolling early. It's what happens if the stock keeps falling to $135, which would be true whenever I rolled. The point of the post is to stress test , not the timing.

Most trades start the same way. You buy the stock, sell a call against it, and pick a strike you'd be okay getting assigned at if it runs. The profit you'd make if it gets called away there is the number you were going for. I call it the Thesis P&L. It's worth remembering, because once you start rolling, it's the first thing you forget.

Then the stock falls instead of rising. So you do what everyone does. You roll, collect more premium, and defend the position. Every roll shows a credit and every credit feels like a win. But the credit doesn't tell you where your whole trade actually stands.

That's what a stress test is for, and this post is really just a demo of how I run one before I commit to a roll. The question it answers is simple:

If I roll this call and the stock keeps dropping to the lowest price I think is realistic, where does the whole trade stand? Not the roll credit. The shares, all the premium, everything.

Here's the live position I'll use to show it.

Trade history

I bought 100 PLTR at $137.45 and sold the August $140 call for $1,820. The plan was to let it get called away at $140 for about $2,075 total. That's my Thesis P&L.

My rule is simple: sell calls around 45 DTE, then roll at 21 DTE or 50% profit, whichever comes first, and never hold into expiration week.

The first $140 call was the exception. It was longer-dated than I normally trade, so it broke my 45-DTE rule from the start. I closed it out for a small net gain of +$224 and moved on.

Then I rolled into the $150 for another $585, expiring July 17. Total realized so far is +$809. Position is still green and hedged.

I'm not rolling the $150 yet. My rule says wait for 21 DTE, so I'll let it sit until then. But after the drop in Tech and AI names on 6/6, I wanted to know ahead of time what a roll out to August would actually look like if the stock keeps sliding. So I stress tested it.

The question: if the stock doesn't recover, I keep my shares, and it drifts down to $135, where does the whole trade stand?

Here's what the stress test showed.

https://preview.redd.it/7ntbu1cdos5h1.png?width=667&format=png&auto=webp&s=74844ef664bad1278bc8a6ad5ae7d7f51d192cea

The roll banks +$902, and the whole position is still +$882. Green roll, green position, nothing looks wrong. But I opened this trade to make $2,075.

At $135 I'd be at +$882. That's about $1,193 below my plan, and I'd have felt fine the whole way because every roll was a credit.

The credit was real and the position was green. Neither one told me I was behind.. I set out to make $2,075 and the math says I'd have given back more than half of it without noticing.

This is why I run the stress test.

(1) I give it the roll and a price that scares me

(2) It shows three numbers together: the roll credit, the whole-position P&L, and the Thesis P&L I started with. So I know if the roll helps, if I'm really still up, and how far I am from the plan — before I place the order, not after.

It helps on every trade, not just this one. I stop reading a green credit as a winning trade. I can see where rolling stops helping. And I know how far I've drifted from what I set out to make, which is usually the sign to stop rolling and just take the assignment.

Rolling is fine. Rolling without checking the whole position against your plan is how you end up green and still behind

For those of you who roll — do you check the whole position against your original target before you roll, or mostly go off the credit

Recently I posted a trade where NBIS blew past my Aug $90 call (which I wrote a long back when NBIS was in the dumps) . I would have made $599 on the trade.

I bought back the call for a hefty price and sold a July $230 (premium $24) call for a potential 9X profit ($5772) if assigned (Net Cost basis $172)

https://www.reddit.com/r/CoveredCalls/comments/1tk1xid/why_i_rolled_my_covered_calls_even_when_the/

In between NBIS had a bad day and I bought back the July call for $19 and sold an August $240 call for $26

This reduces my cost basis to $165 and potential Profit if assigned to ~$7440 (~ 12.5 x of the original )

The August call can be bought back for $64.6 giving me a profit of $3110 today (5x of the original)