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Brief alternative analysis of Muzan, the "living mask" of Magsarion. Remake post of Muzan≠Magsarion, part 1:

Brief alternative analysis of Muzan, the "living mask" of Magsarion. Remake post of Muzan≠Magsarion, part 1:

Well, to begin this analysis—

  • Have you seen the movie Obsession?

I'll explain as I go, and it will make sense (I think) in the end—let's go!

I'll use this movie as an example because it's quite recent and easily accessible, and it's also easy to understand and grasp the basis of what I'm saying, as well as better understand Muzan and Mags, and their differences and similarities.

In the Movie, the MC called Bear makes a wish for the character to love him above all else, and precisely because of Bear's wish, a new Nikki is born.

This Nikki has a personality TOTALLY superficial compared to the original, but still, in a way, it's her.

In the sense that she seems to lack the "depth" or "humanity" of the original, and is something "superficial."

Like a new personality superimposed on the original, like a mask and a completely new personality.

Based on Bear's perception, based on his wish!

According to the director, he has already said that what happens to her is not possession, as occurs in normal films of this genre.

But literally, the bear's desire CREATED a "new Nikke," a new "Nikki" who acts similarly to a multiple personality.

She acts in a completely distorted way and literally seems not to know what it's like to be "human," acting only based on the "original character" she's using as "clothing."

That's where Muzan and Mags come in from the glossary:

> He reigns, but does not govern. Therefore, he cannot be called Hadou.

> Even so, his new stance, of transforming the structure of the external world, represents a complete break with the old Magsarion.

> Varhram, even being the most supernatural of all, desired a banal life, but never managed to achieve it while he lived.

> As his antithesis, Magsarion becomes involved with the prayers of "everyone," becomes a god, and places "that child," banal and common, at the apex of the supernatural, as his guide.

> With these three transformations, Magsarion was reborn. He came to understand even the Commandments and hidden desires of Shinga. The last modification, in particular, was a fatal blow against her plans.

Remember that Nerose even mentioned that Muzan is more of a sword than "human" and that he can't even imagine how "that" was able to be born, because it was too "inhuman"?

And as we've seen, Muzan's own personality is very bipolar and changeable in contrast to the previous Magsarion.

As if several "desires" were superimposed on the original, concealing it.

That's why Muzan is his "mask," and that's why he's unstable.

I believe that those who have never seen Magsarion don't see the difference. But people like Quinn and Alma, I'm sure they would notice.

That's why Muzan is called "a multiple personality" and a "mask."

He's not exactly a person, but basically, as Nikki's character, he was essentially a "wish" that came true, which is why he doesn't act exactly like a "human" and acts according to the "prayers" that created him and Magsarion's wish.

Basically, he is the personification of Magsarion's "Hadou."

Not that Mags HAS or IS Hadou

But the desire to create one of his own and the prayers of ALL, created this personality and new being "Magsarion".

Muzan is more of a sword and a living law than a "person".

That's why he is armor and a mask, as stated in the glossary.

And ironically, the author of Obsession said that the real Nikki is in purgatory while the false Nikki controls her body and follows her desires.

And this reminded me of how Magsarion is in the abyss while his "other self" commands in his place.

Just as Muzan is in the world and Mags is in the abyss of the throne,

Muzan is a superficial mask of Mags.

Not his real personality, but a being/personality created to replace him and be the "Hadou Magsarion" in his place, based on his desire and prayers.

That's why he "is and isn't" Magsarion, because he is Magsarion, but a version of him that was created by his desire and everyone's prayers to be a "Hadou," and as stated in the glossary, this creation fragmented him from his "former self."

I think it would even make sense for him to be called "Magsarion" by Massada.

He's basically a living "what if" version of himself. A personality of a version of himself.

He's not Magsarion, but he's a version of him.

This would finally explain why, and would make sense with Magsarion's statement that

> he would be the one to assume the throne, but it wouldn't be HIM.

This would explain why Masada constantly confuses me with these things when talking about Magsarion and Muzan.

Muzan both is and isn't Magsarion, as he is an artificially created version of himself.

This would explain all of Nerose's talk about it being impossible for something like Muzan to be born naturally or to be human.

Because Muzan isn't; he is and isn't Magsarion, a living law and sword made in his image that "everyone" possesses, but isn't the real him. A new personality for the being called "Magsarion," while his REAL self sleeps in the abyss.


Some additional comments my friends Maubruto and Dairokutenhajun made to this analysis:

  • Maubruto:

It would make sense for him to be something born from the law of anarchy.

Because, as it's said, Magsarion is at the top of everything, but he doesn't enjoy that position like a king (Hadou). Muzan, born from the desire of many people to change the world, was formed as a final point through this law, generating his own law through the prayers of Nadare, Khvarenah, Sirius, and Kaikhosru, but the switch that made it light up was the fourth commandment.

Since, if you look at Nadare's fight, Magsarion himself speaks of infinite sins, she speaks of an endless cycle of killing, which corroborates Kouha's summary about the second heaven.

So Muzan came from everyone's desire, but needed something final to form, the basis being the fourth commandment, where he reigns AND governs, unlike Magsarion, who is only at the top but doesn't assume that position. for yourself

  • Dairokutenhajun:

I believe Masada did explain why muzan wears a suit, by saying that's how everyone "perceived" Magsarion as, so in a way, even his appearance isn't that of the original being and is shaped by prayers, Apart from that, Muzan's prototype being Aka Manah which is literally just a sword also ties into what you were saying about him being a blade.

u/Aeons_Hero — 7 days ago

Masada Trivia: Masada considers "Seijuurou Hiiragi" and his work, *Senshinkan*, to be his self-insert at his worst moment. Or rather, "the personification of all his anger and inferiority complex in a character."

As stated in the interview where he discusses each of his works and his favorite characters:


> It turns out that all my recognition of Seijuro in the story, his rejection and mockery, are a kind of self-therapy.

> In any case, these are just my personal problems. There's nothing to praise me for here.

> But, rereading the text, I feel the heat radiating from Seijuro. As I said, it's a resentment that consumes the entire work, but, on the other hand, he wouldn't have been able to overcome it without the necessary strength.

> This is a forbidden act, which I have no right to repeat. Seijuro personifies the author's shameful history, but his darkness surpasses that of any character in "Dies". Even isolated episodes with him rival the entire legion of "Dies".

> For better or for worse, it's worth it.

> My moralizing style, which arose from my inferiority complex, began to manifest in Hachimyōjin and will continue to accompany me for a long time.

> But I realized, once again, that the experience of creating Seijūrō should not be wasted.

u/Aeons_Hero — 7 days ago

Shinza's Trivia: Despite having two daughters, according to Masada, Ryuumei never had a relationship in all the millennia she lived because no one dared to date her.

So here's a fun fact:

  • According to Masada, despite having two daughters, Ryuumei remained a virgin for over a millennium. The reason, according to him, is:

> Q: Is Mikado Ryuumei a virgin?

> A: Do you even have to ask?! Who would ever dare to bed her?!

u/Aeons_Hero — 16 days ago

The fate of the strongest is to become beautiful genderswap girls.

While Ohm and Tharma are sensors or direct gender-swap clones of Muzan and Naraka, Hajun is a funny case, as he seems to have multiple gender swaps, not just "one," since he has personality traits from several of his sisters.

But of all of them, I think Svaha would be a good choice, being the most "fanatical" about Metsujin Messo and the leader of them all.

u/Aeons_Hero — 19 days ago

Shinza'sTrivia's: Eleonore and her almost "Yandere" love for the women in her life (Riza and Beatrice).

Something funny to note is that in every route she appears in, she demonstrates a certain possessiveness towards Beatrice, always furious upon learning of her death, and usually taking it out on Kei (and Riza) for letting her subordinate die.

Even in the Kei route, we see this more directly, with her repeatedly showing affection and even genuine fondness for Beatrice.

In the Marie (and Kei) route, she even names Beatrice "her Brunhild" and wishes that she would live eternally with her in Reinhard's Valhalla and that they would both reach "twilight." Even if she has to kill her, something she confirms to Rea and Kei is her way of demonstrating her love and affection, accepting their (Riza and Bea's) deaths only at her own hands.

Ironically, Riza is another target of this. Despite constantly fighting and being rivals, she admits to Rea that she loves Riza in her own way and can't imagine a life without Riza to argue with, to the point where she says she wishes Riza would become an Einhejar like her, or if that fails, that she would become her subordinate and let her claim her soul.

In a way, the only people Eleonore claims and demonstrates love for, besides Reinhard, are the two most important women in her life. Even if her love manifests itself through her having to kill them herself and not letting anyone else do it.

In short:

  • Samiel is as crazy and possesses a destructive love as her Master ❤️
u/Aeons_Hero — 19 days ago

Shinza's Trivia: According to Saoshyant Desatir, even adding up all the deaths and fights of Shinza's 6 Heavens (1st to 6th), no one fought and killed more than Magsarion, having the highest count of deaths/assassinations and victories in the verse.

It's incredible that this guy killed more people than hajun and all the Eras combined, even before he was a god.

u/Aeons_Hero — 21 days ago

Shinza's Trivia: According to Masada, the level of each swordsman in a ranking would be—

> Beatrice is probably a level above the others. Next come Musashi and Eleonore. Kai is somewhere in the middle, and Kei is quite a bit below. Kasumi is even lower. Ren is a complete amateur, so he's at the bottom of the story. After the ending, maybe he'll reach the same level as Kai and Kei?

> @nefiru おそらくベアトリスが頭一つ抜けています。次いで武蔵とエレオノーレ。戒が間に入って、だいぶ落ちたとろこに螢。さらにはてしなく落ちて香純。蓮はド素人なので、作中では最下位。ED後なら、螢と一緒に戒のレベルくらいには達してるかな?

u/Aeons_Hero — 24 days ago

Shinza's Trivia: According to Mercurius, Kasumi is the only woman he has ever come close to falling completely in love with, in the same way he loved Marie.

This is something he says at the peak of the Kei Route, where he claims that Kasumi has bewitched his heart and promises that in exchange for her sacrificing her "love" for him in a contract, he swears on his soul and life that he will never make her think she chose the "wrong side."

Furthermore, he states that Kasumi is the "Only ray of sunshine I stole from him (Ren)." And he reveals that Kasumi almost made him fall in love with her as much as he loves Marie, being the only woman who has done this besides Marie.

u/Aeons_Hero — 24 days ago

Shinza Trivia's: According to Masada, if we were to consider purely strength and skill, the strongest Tubal Cain that ever existed was "Rei Sakurai".

Note: She is the only normal human (besides Shirou) to face an Apostle using Yetzirah at full power and still be able to match him, purely using her combat experience and warrior instincts.

u/Aeons_Hero — 1 month ago

Shinza Trivia: Canonically Mercurius and Muzan share a rather peculiar similarity, despite being very different gods. Both gave up their position for someone they love, and both are eldritch entities encapsulated in a "smaller" body.

For your information:

  • Mercurius is an Eldritch entity that merged with and possessed the body of "Lament" at the height of Zoar.

Meanwhile—

  • Muzan is the amalgam of all living beings from the 1st Heaven, fused and transformed into a new "personality" and "Entity" grafted onto the "Empty" body of Magsarion to replace the Original and become a hadou in its place.

And both are directly said to be similar in their "fall," since both gave up their throne for a god they had feelings for, with Muzan being directly said to "love Myoujo with the same intensity as Mercurius."

Note: not in a romantic way, but rather a paternal love.

u/Aeons_Hero — 1 month ago

Shinza's Trivia: According to G Yusuke, in Dengeki's interview about Kajirii, the easiest design to draw and create was "Niko," because all Masada gave him as an "idea" to draw was that it should be "A Big Dog."

u/Aeons_Hero — 1 month ago

Shinza Trivia's: In an interview with dengeki at the launch of K3 Akebono in 2013, Masada revealed that the characters in Paradise Lost are stronger than the cast of Kajiri and Dies irae, but weaker than Ren and Reinhard at their peak.

To explain further:

Around the time we had the release of Kajiri Kamui Kagura for PS Vita, as its definitive version "Akebono no Hikari" in 2013, an interview with Masada about Kajiri in general, its production, script, characters, and trivia It was also released on Dengeki in February of that same year!

Among them, one of the questions was the one I already mentioned in previous posts, about Marie's Apoptosis, and another was about the power level of the K3 characters compared to Paradise Lost, the oldest work in the universe.

And Masada's answer was as follows:

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  • Q——If we were to compare the strength of the characters from the world where the Third Heaven (Nerose) resided before becoming a deity ('PARADISE LOST') with the characters from 'Kajiri Kamui Kagura', would there be any guideline about who would be able to compete with whom and to what extent? This has already been mentioned for 'Dies Irae' and 'Kajiri Kamui Kagura', so please include it for 'PARADISE LOST' (Oshi Utsu Anakashiko) as well.

  • A——The characters in "Paradise Lost" are strong! But how strong? I would say they are stronger than the battalion commanders in "Dies Irae". But they are weaker than Reinhard. The characters in "Kajiri Kamui Kagura" didn't reach the level of Ren or Reinhard, so the characters in "Paradise Lost" are only slightly stronger than the characters in "Kajiri Kamui Kagura".

u/Aeons_Hero — 1 month ago

G Shoda Trivia's: According to Yusuke in an interview, Masada has a habit of going to his office, standing behind his chair, and starting to "disturb" Yusuke's life for the rest of the time.

u/Aeons_Hero — 1 month ago

Thinking about it...Knowing that there was a Twilight apoptosis, if Marie's apoptosis is male, that would mean she and Ren would no longer be a couple... what do you think of this information?

To explain further:

  • In an interview for Dengeki, when asked if we would see an apoptosis of Marie, Masada confirmed that it exists and that it probably appeared in the 5th Heaven.

With this in mind, we also have 2 explanations within Kajiri and in the official Kajiri fanbook, about Apoptosis.

  • According to Kajiri, if an apoptosis is born having the same sex as its original God, they become best friends and practically family.

  • But if the apoptosis is born with the OPPOSITE sex to its original God, they become a couple and fall in love.

With these 2 factors in mind... Pray that Marie's apoptosis is a woman 😅

u/Aeons_Hero — 1 month ago

Can anyone imagine what a family dinner between them would be like? What do you think it would be like?

u/Aeons_Hero — 1 month ago