On the first wicked proposal of the miscreant her eyes were opened; she started up, exclaiming: ‘My God! Mary Immaculate! Make me die rather!’ And with these words she rushed at the feigned angel and spat in his face. At the same moment she saw him vanish in the form of fire.
Fr Germanus Ruoppolo, C.P., The Life of Saint Gemma Galgani, Chapter XIX, “Gemma’s Ascent to Sanctity amidst Trials,”
Hello all, I hope you are doing well and God bless :).
So, Orthodoxy uses the porneia clause in the Gospel of Matthew to varying degrees of severity and allowence for remarriage under increasing penance.
My question is, what happens if an Orthodox person has divorced and remarried with the permission of the Orthodox Church, and then later converts to Catholicism?
If their first spouse is still alive, would they have to seek an annulment of their first marriage before the Catholic Church could recognise the second marriage? Since the Catholic Church recognises Orthodox sacraments, I assume the first marriage would be presumed valid?
And if the first marriage was found to be valid, what would actually happen to the second couple? Would they be expected to separate, or live as brother and sister?
Hello all, I hope you are doing well and God bless :).
So, Orthodoxy uses the porneia clause in the Gospel of Matthew to varying degrees of severity and allowence for remarriage under increasing penance.
My question is, what happens if an Orthodox person has divorced and remarried with the permission of the Orthodox Church, and then later converts to Catholicism?
If their first spouse is still alive, would they have to seek an annulment of their first marriage before the Catholic Church could recognise the second marriage? Since the Catholic Church recognises Orthodox sacraments, I assume the first marriage would be presumed valid?
And if the first marriage was found to be valid, what would actually happen to the second couple? Would they be expected to separate, or live as brother and sister?
After a 20 million restoration project, I was dumbfounded by how beautiful Salford Cathedral was when I visited yesterday compared to my last visit, which was 5 years ago. It took three years of restoration to restore the Gothic/Victorian character and it feels so different and an amazing space for prayer and contemplation.
Currently, I lean toward Molinism: God gives grace to all and infallibly knows how people will freely respond to it.
However, in unconditional-election views of predestination, as I understand them, God chooses certain people—the elect—for salvation.
1 Timothy 2:3–4 (KJV):
“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”
If God genuinely wills all men to be saved, how is that reconciled with God choosing only some for salvation rather than others?
Currently, I lean toward Molinism: God gives grace to all and infallibly knows how people will freely respond to it.
However, in unconditional-election views of predestination, as I understand them, God chooses certain people—the elect—for salvation.
1 Timothy 2:3–4 (KJV):
“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”
If God genuinely wills all men to be saved, how is that reconciled with God choosing only some for salvation rather than others?
I am just curious as it comes up in the new testament 8 times that remarriage is adultery and not once does remarriage come up in the bible. However, all mainline churches seem to allow remarriage.
Matthew 19:4–6
“And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.”
Mark 10:9
“What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.”
Matthew 5:32
"But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.”
Matthew 19:9
“And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.”
Mark 10:11–12
“And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.”
Luke 16:18
“Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.”
Romans 7:2–3
“For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.”
1 Corinthians 7:10–11
“And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.”
As St John Chrysostom said, "if any agrees with scripture he is the christian; if any fights against them, he far from this rule" and as St Paul says, “All Scripture is God-breathed”. In the Gospel of Mark, Christ says: “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her.” So how come remarriage after oikonomia is allowed? Why is the maximum 3 marriages and not 4 or 5?
Why does the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese say that “of late a new view has taken hold” on contraception, when Orthodox sources now allow some non-abortifacient methods?
Source: https://www.goarch.org/-/the-stand-of-the-orthodox-church-on-controversial-issues
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Source: St Paul’s Epistle to the Romans, chapter 7, verses 2–3, KJV.
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Source: Clement of Alexandria, The Stromata (Miscellanies), Book II, Chapter 23, “On Marriage.” The English translation is by William Wilson in Ante-Nicene Fathers, Volume 2.
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Source: The Shepherd of Hermas, Book II, Commandment—or Mandate—4, Chapter 1: “On Putting One’s Wife Away for Adulter