On the 3rd year anniversary of 10/7 attacks, Mamdani's office inadvertently honors dead Hamas/PIJ militants.

Sam has been highly critical of Mamdani for playing word games on the Israel/Palestine topic, be it minimizing antisemitism or offering apologia for islamists, etc.

Today is another great example. On the 3rd anniversary of the 10/7 attacks, his office puts out a statement that spends more time talking about Gaza/attacking Israel than it does the greatest massacre of Jews since the holocaust.

Notably it mentions 74,000 dead palestinians. But this number includes dead Hamas/PIJ militants, as Gaza MOH does not distinguish between combatant/militants and innocent civilians. Even the least charitable estimate only four months into the conflict all the way back in Feb 2024, came from a Hamas official in Qatar who told Reuters at the time that they had lost over 6,000 fighters.

Either way, Mamdani predictably used this day as an opportunity to attack Israelis and minimize Jewish pain. And did so in such cynical fashion that they inadvertently honored dead Hamas members.

>Statement

>This day is profoundly painful for so many New Yorkers. It marks three years since the horrific war crimes of October 7. On that day, Hamas killed more than 1,100 Israelis and abducted 251 others. We grieve alongside our many friends and neighbors who still carry that unthinkable loss.

>The suffering did not begin nor end that day. It instead continued through the Israeli government’s devastating, ongoing genocide in Gaza, in which it has killed more than 74,000 Palestinians—including more than 21,000 children. Even since the so-called ceasefire, more than 1,400 Palestinians have been killed. That suffering has intensified with every Israeli bomb dropped on ambulances waiting outside hospitals, every drone strike targeting a residential building or journalist, and every shipment of food aid turned away at a border crossing. Many New Yorkers are reckoning with this unbearable grief, and we mourn alongside them—all while knowing that our tax dollars fund these war crimes.

>Three years later, we must refuse to accept a world in which occupation and apartheid continue, where war crimes are met with impunity, and our federal government continues its complicity with every arms shipment.

>To honor the dead, we must fight for a world in which every person can live with freedom, safety, and dignity.

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u/Amazing-Cell-128 — 7 days ago

Sam Harris commentary mentioned in Times of Israel piece: "The Genocide Inversion"

This piece invokes a point Sam made about warfare:

>The atomic bombing of Hiroshima killed tens of thousands of civilians almost immediately, with many more dying afterward.

>Sam Harris recently invoked Hiroshima and Nagasaki to make a useful distinction: enormous civilian death does not, by itself, establish genocide. Whatever one thinks about the morality of the atomic bombings, the question of intent remains indispensable.

>Why?

>Because body count and genocidal intent are different questions.

>That distinction seems to disappear when the country fighting is Israel.

The author first describes how some bad faith critics of Israel have misconstrued ICJ statements, falsely suggesting Israel was committing a “plausible genocide”, and then goes further into describing the intent component of genocide.

These are just some of the actions Israel took to save lives/reduce collateral damage where possible:

  1. Israel paused military operations in 2024 so a children’s polio vaccine campaign could be completed (campaign was to vaccinate 600,000+ children)

  2. Israel permitted the flow of humanitarian aid and essential supplies

  3. Gave evacuation orders in areas that were going to be under heavy fighting

  4. Issued localized warnings like roof knocks, mass text messages/communication alerts to allow civilians time to clear structures to be struck

  5. Deployed smart weapon systems, precision guided weapons, which also definitionally reduce collateral damage

All of these things^ save lives.

Interestingly when you ask a clearly bad faith critic of Israel whether they should've not done things like roof knock warnings or evacuations, they don’t know how to respond. Even they understand at some level these things save lives, contrary to what genocidal actions/intent would be. Ditto whether collateral damage would increase if Israel’s ability to purchase precision guided munitions ever gets eliminated, forcing them to use things like unguided/dumb munitions instead.

But circling back to Sam's point, we have hysterical claims being made in some corners like 'Israel has dropped X amount of explosives on Gaza that are the equivalent of X amount of atomic bombs!' And yet despite how small Gaza is and how tightly packed and dense it is, the casualty count aligns with the reality that Israel's measures/efforts to save lives have worked.

The bottom line is warfare with some level of unavoidable collateral damage isn’t genocide, especially warfare that could have ended anytime the belligerent which started the war (Hamas) laid down its arms.

u/Amazing-Cell-128 — 1 month ago

El-Sayed Says He Doesn’t Want To Alienate Hasan Piker’s Listeners—As He Explains Why He Won’t Condemn Him

Michigan Democratic Senate nominee Abdul El-Sayed said part of the reason he won’t wholly reject left-wing Twitch streamer Hasan Piker is because he doesn’t want to alienate his 3 million followers, as he continues to deal with the fallout over Piker’s controversial comments about Israel.

El-Sayed told Stephen A. Smith on his radio show this week, “there are 3 million people who listen to Hasan Piker, and I want to offer them a pathway into an electoral movement,” repeating his assertion that he doesn’t agree with everything Piker says and some of his statements are taken out of context.

El-Sayed has been asked repeatedly why he won’t join other Democrats in condemning Piker after comments he made about support for Israel were widely viewed to suggest Jewish people could be blamed for antisemitic violence. 

El-Sayed told Charlamagne tha God on his Monday radio show, “there’s this massive effort to cancel Hasan—my point is that I don’t do cancel culture. I go everywhere, I talk to everybody,” noting he also recently sat for an interview with Fox News’ Jesse Waters. 

El-Sayed said “the fact they’re trying to work so hard to character assassinate him suggests there is a disjunct there between what he is actually saying and what people hear him say,” noting Piker “streams for eight hours a day, seven days a week” and some of his statements are often “clipped out of context.”

He said the backlash he’s received over his affiliation with Piker “is intended to confuse and distract us from the actual issue, he never spoke for me, I don’t speak for him, he has his opinion, I have mine.”

El-Sayed told reporters on Saturday when asked about Piker, “if you want to make this race about a streamer in California, I just think you’re missing the boat,” and said later in the day, “this is about Donald Trump’s disastrous policies in Michigan. That’s what I’m focused on right now. I am not interested in a conversation about a social media person in California.”

El-Sayed apologized over the weekend to the Michigan Democratic Party’s Jewish Caucus for previous comments he made in the wake of an attack on a Detroit-area synagogue in March. El-Sayed condemned the attack, but said “hurt people hurt people,” referring to the gunman, who had family members in Lebanon killed in Israeli airstrikes. He told the Michigan Democratic Jewish Caucus on Saturday, “my comments might have been misconstrued to be justifying something I did not intend to justify. To anybody who feels like my comments might have been hurtful, I’m really sorry, that was not my intention.”

Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., had a similar take to El-Sayed’s about the criticism over El-Sayed’s ties to Piker, telling Politico in an interview released Monday, “like every other podcaster in the world, he says dumb things that people should reject.” Sanders criticized the ongoing backlash against El-Sayed over Piker’s comments, saying it’s a GOP attack line: “Apparently it works when you and others talk about Mr. Piker,” he told the Politico reporter, urging El-Sayed to “stay on the issues that impact working families in Michigan.” Sanders and El-Sayed have not joined a wave of other Democrats—including House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, D-N.Y., and Michigan’s other senator, Democrat Elissa Slotkin—in condemning Piker’s comments earlier this month that critics said suggested pro-Israel rhetoric could be blamed for antisemitic violence. Sanders, acknowledging the ideological divide in the Democratic Party amid a wave of progressive wins this primary season, said he believes some Democrats don’t want El-Sayed to win. “I think there are a few who would say, ‘you know what? It’s not worth it.’” He said “a small number” of party leaders and the “donor class” view the progressive movement as “a threat to oligarchy” and a “threat to American foreign policy and our continued support for the extremist [Benjamin] Netanyahu government in Israel.”

Piker, who has campaigned with El-Sayed and other progressives, ignited intense backlash when he said in an Aug. 21 Twitch stream that “if Jews in America keep putting this idea out there that they are singularly invested in Israel, eventually someone is going to come around and take action, not just against the state of Israel, mind you, but against American Jews.” He also criticized state Sen. Jeremy Moss, the Democratic nominee in Michigan’s 11th Congressional District, who is Jewish, for proliferating the narrative that Jews are “singularly invested in the continuation of the Israeli apartheid” over Moss’ past statements that El-Sayed needed to strengthen ties with the Oakland County Jewish community. Amid the backlash, Piker explained to the Jewish Telegraphic Agency that he was trying to highlight the “dangerous false notion” that “all Jews are singularly invested in Israel.” Piker is a fierce critic of Israel and Zionism and often tries to make a distinction between antisemitism and anti-Zionism. El-Sayed issued a statement last week condemning antisemitism and “any rhetoric that puts the community at risk” in the wake of Piker’s comments and said “nobody speaks for this campaign besides me and my campaign spokespeople,” though he did not mention Piker by name. He told Semafor later in the week he has no plans to campaign with Piker again.

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u/Amazing-Cell-128 — 1 month ago
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El-Sayed apologizes to Jewish Democrats for statement about synagogue attack

Lansing, Michigan — Michigan Democratic Senate nominee Abdul El-Sayed apologized to Jewish Democrats on Saturday for saying “hurt people hurt people” as part of his response to a March attack on a synagoguenear Detroit.

“My comments might have been misconstrued to be justifying something I did not intend to justify,” he told reporters after he addressed the Michigan Democratic Jewish Caucus at the state party’s convention in Lansing. “To anybody who feels like my comments might have been hurtful, I’m really sorry. That was not my intention.”

“We condemned that terrorist attack. We condemned it outright. What I was trying to do is offer context for why it happened, but it wasn’t the time for context. And you don’t ever want to trample somebody’s pain,” El-Sayed said.

During the attack, a man rammed his vehicle into a synagogue in West Bloomfield Township and exchanged gunfire with security officers in what the FBI called “a Hezbollah-inspired act of terrorism purposely targeting the Jewish community.”

The assailant, Ayman Ghazali, a naturalized US citizen from Lebanon who killed himself at the scene, lost family in an Israeli airstrike in Lebanon a week before the Michigan attack.

In a video after the attack, El-Sayed said his work as an epidemiologist taught him that “hurt people hurt people” and that “violence is a cycle.” But, he said, “There is never a justification for attacking innocent people at houses of worship.”

El-Sayed’s comments come as the progressive firebrand is seeking to win over skeptical Jewish Democrats and unify the party ahead of his November matchup against Republican former Rep. Mike Rogers in a key race to determining which party wins the Senate majority.

Earlier this week, El-Sayed sought to distance himself from Hasan Piker after the left-wing streamer and activist suggested to his Twitch viewers that American Jews’ support of Israel will make antisemitism worse and invite violence. Piker said his comments weren’t meant to be taken as antisemitic.

After months of campaigning during his hard-fought primary alongside Piker, El-Sayed said in a Monday statement addressing the streamer’s comments that “nobody speaks for this campaign besides me and my campaign spokespeople.”

El-Sayed is set to speak Sunday to the Michigan Democratic Jewish Caucus Summer Simcha — a private gathering where he is expected to further address the concerns of Jewish Democrats, including Dana Nessel, the Michigan attorney general, who was sharply critical of his response to the synagogue attack.

Jewish Democrats who were in the room for El-Sayed’s comments Saturday said they considered his apology sincere.

“That was the first time that I’ve heard him say it in that explicit way,” said Daniel Rivkin, a University of Michigan communications staffer from Ann Arbor who is a delegate at the party’s convention.

As for whether El-Sayed needs to further distance himself from Piker, Rivkin said, “That’s up to him.”

“I think there’s a lot of dialogue going on, and that the dialogue will continue,” Rivkin said. “We have to work for every vote. I think that we have progressives who are real progressives who are nevertheless still struggling.”

Asked by CNN on Saturday about Jewish Democrats’ concerns with Piker, El-Sayed said: “We’re in the state of Michigan. If you want to make this race about a streamer in California, I just think you’re missing the boat.”

He added: “I don’t ever want my comments to hurt anybody’s feelings. It’s important to me that people understand that I take seriously the pain of all communities in this state.”

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u/Amazing-Cell-128 — 2 months ago
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Michigan Jewish Dems circulate letter endorsing Republican Mike Rogers for Senate

Jewish leaders in Michigan are circulating an open letter urging Jewish Democrats and independents in the battleground state to sign their names in support of former Rep. Mike Rogers (R-MI) as he faces Abdul El-Sayed, the far-left Democratic nominee for Senate whose hostile positions on Israel have alarmed many Jewish voters.

The letter, which was obtained by Jewish Insider on Wednesday and has not yet been publicized, is led by Eric Bronstein, a Detroit businessman, among others identifying as Democrats and independents.

It came to light after a fundraiser for Rogers on Tuesday night hosted by three prominent Jewish Democratic bundlers in Michigan who are likewise alarmed by El-Sayed’s candidacy. The growing efforts among Jewish Democrats to rally support for Rogers in the key Senate race illustrate the degree to which El-Sayed has alienated a sizable and politically active swing voting bloc in what is expected to be a close election.

“We know it is unusual for many Jewish voters to support a Republican candidate for senate and we understand the implications,” Bronstein wrote in a recent email courting Jewish signatories that was also reviewed by JI. “Our fellow Jewish voters need to see their friends and neighbors — including you — willing to take a stand in this specific, crucial race.”

Bronstein did not immediately return a request for comment on Wednesday.

The open letter, which the authors intend to share online once it has gained “a significant initial group of signers,” emphasizes that many signatories “have been fiercely supportive of Democratic candidates and principles.”

“All of us have felt threatened and alienated by the politics and allies embraced by Abdul El-Sayed,” the letter continues, “which has included demonization of Jews, equivocation on terrorism, exclusion of Jewish Americans from public life, and expression of implacable hatred of the world’s only Jewish nation.”

If El-Sayed were to claim victory in the general election, the authors say, “we fear the far-left and anti-Jewish elements in the Democratic party would become dominant, including in the imminent 2028 presidential race,” when Michigan will be among the early nominating states in the Democratic primaries. “We cannot allow him to become the Democratic standard-bearer or Michigan’s senator.”

While the letter calls Rogers “a friend to the Jewish community,” it clarifies the signatories’ endorsement “does not require that we agree with him on every issue or that we support” President Donald Trump. “There are other elections locally and nationally, with different candidates aligned with our values,” it says. “Here in Michigan this year and in this Senate race, our own well-being and our own voice are at stake.”

“This is a moment when each of us must speak out,” the letter states. “We’re voting for Mike Rogers. We ask other Michigan Jewish voters to join us.”

Following the primary early this month, Rogers has been working to fine-tune his outreach to disaffected Jewish voters — balancing private engagement with a key constituency alongside a more broadly calibrated public invitation for Democrats to join his coalition.

On Tuesday, Rogers posted a video testimonial to social media from a supporter in the heavily Jewish Detroit suburb of West Bloomfield who called herself a “lifelong Democrat” and said that she had chosen to cross party lines to support “candidates that actually share our values.”

The voter did not say she was Jewish but was wearing a necklace featuring a Star of David and another with the shape of the State of Israel.

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u/Amazing-Cell-128 — 2 months ago

IDF, Shin Bet acknowledge for first time special mission to hunt down and kill all Oct. 7 terrorists

For the first time, the Israel Defense Forces and the Shin Bet have acknowledged that a special operation has been established with a dedicated unit to hunt down and kill every single Palestinian terrorist involved in the October 7, 2023, invasion and massacre.

As recently reported by The Times of Israel, the IDF and Shin Bet have devoted significant time and resources to eliminating the terrorists who took part in the October 7 atrocities, in which some 1,200 people were killed and 251 taken hostage.

Officers of the special joint IDF-Shin Bet unit dubbed “Nili” have worked over the last three years to compile an extensive list running to thousands of names of those involved in the atrocities, and painstakingly worked to identify, find and eliminate them.

The IDF and Shin Bet refused multiple requests for comment from the Times of Israel when it reported last month that the military and security agency have in the past few months stepped up a large-scale retribution campaign with the aim of hunting down and eliminating every single terrorist who took part in the October 7 massacre.

Israel has created a list of all the Gazans who were identified as having invaded Israeli territory on October 7, the Times of Israel reported, using a plethora of video and photographic evidence of the attack posted online by terrorists during and after the attack, and running the footage through facial recognition software. Also on the list are all Hamas leaders involved in orchestrating the massacre, according to Israeli officials.

Speaking to Channel 12 news on Saturday night, some of the Nili officers openly described their mission for the first time, detailing who has been targeted and the means used to locate and kill them.

According to the Channel 12 report, 2,800 people on Nili’s list have been killed, including the 1,200 terrorists killed by Israeli security forces in southern Israel during the onslaught, the worst-ever invasion of Israel and the bloodiest single attack in the history of the nation.

The Times of Israel reported last month that of the estimated 5,000 terrorists who participated in the October 7 attack or helped hold hostages, more than 2,700 have been confirmed by the military to have been killed — including those who were killed during the onslaught and those targeted in the Strip amid the war. Another 300 alleged perpetrators have been captured by Israel and await judgment by special military tribunals, which have yet to be set up. Those convicted of genocide will be eligible for the death penalty.

According to the officers interviewed by Channel 12, as well as Adi Rotem, a former senior official in the Shin Bet, Nili created a spreadsheet with thousands of names, and then began the immense, laborious, and time-consuming task of identifying and locating each one.

Rotem described the information amassed as “an endless pile of material,” which the Nili’s officers compiled and worked through.

The unit developed specialized tools for facial recognition to identify their targets, using, among other sources, the footage from the GoPro-style cameras used by the terrorists when they recorded their massacres and atrocities on October 7.

Traditional intelligence tools involving Shin Bet and IDF Intelligence agents on the ground were also used to collect information, as well as information from Palestinian detainees held in Israel, while artificial intelligence tools were used to “complete the picture,” Rotem added.

Aleph, a sergeant first class in Nili, said that the unit also added everyone to its kill list who was involved in holding the hostages taken captive by terrorists from southern Israel, as well as those who met with them and abused them in their captivity.

Terrorists who participated in the hostage release ceremonies have also been targeted.

Among those eliminated have been the terrorists who kidnapped 85-year old Yaffa Adar, 12-year old Yagil Yaakov, Yarden Bibas, and Avinatan Or, as well as the driver of a tractor who infamously broke through the border fence, the TV report said.

“It could be the driver who drove a tractor [across the border], and it could be a Nukhba company commander who led the invasion,” said Lammed, a lieutenant in the IDF’s Southern Command working in Nili.

“You feel the tension [when an elimination operation is underway]. You feel the quiet, the seconds before the missile hits; everyone is just waiting for the strike to hit the person,” she added.

Lammed said by way of example that just a few weeks ago a platoon commander who led the infamous invasion of the Nahal Oz IDF base was eliminated as a result of Nili’s work.

“We knew what time he went to the shop, we knew the path he took; this is the task of intelligence, to take every target of interest to us, and investigate him down to the smallest detail, to the level of when he goes to pray, and what he eats for breakfast,” said Lammed.

The Nili unit was named after the World War I-era Jewish underground spy organization Nili.

Israeli officials have also invoked the aftermath of the 1972 Munich Olympics as a precedent for the retribution campaign against the October 7 terrorists, The Times of Israel reported last month, pointing to the years-long and partially successful Mossad-led effort to track down and eliminate anyone linked to the massacre of 11 Israeli athletes during the Games.

The Nili unit was established immediately after the Hamas-led attack, The Times of Israel reported. It is made up of experienced intelligence personnel from the IDF and Shin Bet, in both the standing army and the reserves. An IDF official said after the October 2025 ceasefire began that the Nili unit’s efforts would continue “even as time passes, until the last of [the terrorists is killed],” and that they were being carried out “in accordance with the legal and operational framework.”

timesofisrael.com
u/Amazing-Cell-128 — 2 months ago

Mamdani attending a pride march says nothing about being an apologist for Islamists

A few days ago a thread was posted here and remains up, showing Mamdani at a NYC Pride March, questioning whether we'd see that from an islamist (or apologist, as Sam Harris has mentioned)

Now this is interesting because from what we've seen of islamists/apologists, they will participate in/allow for some things out of political saliency. Mamdani may be genuinely for that, but this says nothing about other goals t hat are aligned with islamists or their apologists. The "anti-Israel" hate rallies that are attended by islamists/apologists who will happily march alongside people wearing with pride colors comes to mind. I mean even Qatar, during the 2022 FIFA world cup permitted displays of rainbow flags in its stadiums.

Recently Mamdani in interview said:

>Interviewer: "And the idea of a jewish state, Israel as a jewish state, that's the way it is now, do you support that?" Mamdani: "I believe that any state that privileges one religion over the other is one that I can't tell you I support, whether it be Israel or Saudi Arabia or anywhere else."

>Source

Israel doesnt have an official state religion, this is a game of weasel words by Mamdani because when he says "privileges" this is loaded to infer some kind of faith-based discrimination. Yet what he's referring to here isnt about Israeli citizens at all, but rather a law for obtaining citizenship based on humanitarian reasons and runs separate and parallel to Israel's immigration framework. Non-jews are not prohibited from becoming citizens in that framework. But many democracies have blood-based laws for citizenship as well, but again, Mamdani's goal is to uniquely single out Israel.

Saudi Arabia is tossed in as a sort of concession, but in reality its not. Mamdani's foreign policy political activism has been aimed at Israel, no where else. The trick being played here is to falsely equate Israel as an option for refuge for Jewish people as being the "oppressive equivalent" that Saudi Arabia is for non-muslims and its people. And then pretend he's opposed to that. But he's not really.

Because when it comes to other Islamic states, like Pakistan, he'll speak great things and even celebrated Pakistan Independence Day in NYC last year! Link to that at the end, but imagine the below excerpt being said about Israelis:

>"I've glad the pleasure of visiting Pakistan once, it is a beautiful day to see the vibrancy of that county here with us today. Because for far too long, the story of pakistanis has been told by others. And it is a story that has not embraced the full humanity of pakistani people. Its time that pakistanis tell their own stories. Im so glad to be here [...] to hear what it means to be pakistani, to be pakistani American." ~ Mamdani 3/23/25, APAG speech (American Pakistani Advocacy Group)

...

Pakistan, or rather, The Islamic Republic of Pakistan, is also a funny case study when we're talking about "religious states", or pride celebrations and marches.

  1. Israel's Pride Month was June 2026. You can see how its celebrated here Example

  2. Pakistan's Pride Month is ____ you can see how its celebrated here _____

Great comparison right?

In Pakistan, its best to imagine "pride month" as how many months you'll spend in prison with pride. Because same-sex sexual acts are criminalized, sentences ranging from two years to life. Public displays of pride are not permitted. Recently, a man who merely filed an application with his city to open a gay club, was immediately detained in a mental hospital.

Islam is the state religion of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Sharia and societal level beliefs are as follows:

  1. Death penalty for leaving Islam? 76% yes (pg. 55)
  2. Is stoning for adultery justified? 89% yes (pg. 54)
  3. Should women be compelled to obey husband? 88% yes (pg. 93)
  4. Whipping/Cutting off limbs of criminals? 88% yes (p. 52)
  5. Are honor killing women permissible? 55% yes (pg. 89)
  6. 2013, Mega Pew Research Survey of world's muslims by country

Pakistan was even created under somewhat analogous circumstances as Israel. A partition took place on British administered territory (British Raj) in 1947 largely along religious lines as it was determined the two largest groups of peoples there could not live peacefully together. The minority group (muslims, 1/3 of the population) were demanding their own state and didnt want to be ruled by the majority. Once partition happened, there were mass population transfers, violence, and death. Except for creating Pakistan, the displaced populations transfers was 13x (10+ million) and the amount of death was up to 133x worse (2 million dead) compared to the "nakba".

Now, has Mamdani ever suggested Pakistan one-state solution itself with India because conflict remains today? No. Does Mamdani oppose celebrating Islamic states like Pakistan getting independence? No. In fact he happily joins the festivities.

And this is exactly how many Islamists and their apologists operate.

u/Amazing-Cell-128 — 4 months ago

A new future Sam Harris topic of discussion emerged last night, it was DSA and Darializa Chevalier

Sam Harris has often spoken about the far left, campus radicals, wokeism, anti-white racism, antisemitism, etc.

Well an all-in-one package it appears will be seated in the House of Reps in the near future, Darializa Chevalier, and the few other wins the DSA had last night.

But she checks so many of these domains Harris has touched on:

  1. Hates the west, NATO, etc

  2. Wants to seize private property

  3. Cofounded Columbia University CAUD

  4. Took to the streets after 10/7 to celebrate Hamas

  5. Condemns interracial marriage, has made disparaging remarks about white people

  6. Wants to abolish police and prisons

When asked in an interview what should happen to a convicted murderer, whether they should be incarcerated, she refuses to give an a concrete answer.

There's more obviously, but she's like a made to order gift for republicans/Trump to saddle dems with and force them to "answer for" her nutty beliefs. Remember how much traction and inroads republicans made with things like the "they them" ads.

In center left circles, I'm also anecdotally at least seeing a complete 180 on Mamdani, they are now perceiving him to be a DSA first snake. Though Sam Harris had him figured out months ago.

u/Amazing-Cell-128 — 4 months ago

Sam Harris: Stop saying 'Zionism'

Haviv has a video short out today from his earlier discussion with Sam Harris.

An interesting take by Sam, the video short is linked. His argument is that the word zionist/zionism adds a layer of confusion in the broader discourse because essentially its a label describing a Israel's right to exist.

Haviv's response is:

>The irony with what you're saying is and this doesnt at all mean you're mistaken, the irony is the Jews became zionist in direct correlation to the failure of any alternative to zionism.

Haviv is getting at the broader meaning of the term, referencing the Jewish people's right to self determination and a homeland. And now we're squarely in the territory of Israel's identity/character as a Jewish county. This is what many people tend to oppose. After all, the arabic chants at the anti-Israel hate rallies are "palestine is arab" not "palestine is arab and jewish".

Sam's correct in that such a term seemingly doesnt exist anywhere else, but "double clicking here" (as Sam would say) within Haviv's context we see that the "thing" Israel is, is not unique. So many other nations that have their national character and identities espoused in their constitutions, or sometimes even their formal names. Like the Arab Republic of Egypt, or the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, or the United Arab Emirates.

These examples and more affirming a peoplehood, culture, religion, national identity, etc. are below:

  1. Islamic Republic of Pakistan: Part 1. Islam shall be the State religion of Pakistan

  2. Arab Republic of Egypt: Article 1. Egypt is part of the Arab nation and enhances its integration and unity. It is part of the Muslim world, belongs to the African continent, is proud of its Asian dimension, and contributes to building human civilization. Article 2. Islam, Principles of Islamic Sharia: Islam is the religion of the state and Arabic is its official language. The principles of Islamic Sharia are the principle source of legislation.

  3. Syrian Arab Republic. Chapter 1, Article 1: The Syrian Arab Republic is a democratic state with full sovereignty, indivisible, and may not waive any part of its territory, and is part of the Arab homeland; The people of Syria are part of the Arab nation.

  4. United Arab Emirates. Article 6, The UAE is a part of the greater Arab nation to which the UAE is linked by the ties of religion, language, history and common destiny. The people of the UAE are one people, and a part of the Arab nation. Article 7, Islam is the official religion of the UAE. The Islamic Shari'a is a main source of legislation in the UAE.

  5. Denmark: Part 1, sec 4: The Evangelical Lutheran Church shall be the Established Church of Denmark, and) as such, it shall be supported by the State.

  6. Greece: Section 2. The prevailing religion in Greece is that of the Eastern Orthodox Church of Christ. The Orthodox Church of Greece, acknowledging our Lord Jesus Christ as its head, is inseparably united in doctrine with the Great Church of Christ in Constantinople and with every other Church of Christ of the same doctrine, observing unwaveringly, as they do, the holy apostolic and synodal canons and sacred traditions.

  7. Latvia: Preamble: The State of Latvia, proclaimed on 18 November 1918, has been established by uniting historical Latvian lands and on the basis of the unwavering will of the Latvian nation to have its own State and its inalienable right of self-determination in order to guarantee the existence and development of the Latvian nation, its language and culture throughout the centuries, to ensure freedom and promote welfare of the people of Latvia and each individual.

  8. Estonia: Preamble: [...] the inextinguishable right of the people of Estonia to national self-determination and which was proclaimed on 24 February 1918, which is founded on liberty, justice and the rule of law, [...] which must guarantee the preservation of the Estonian people, the Estonian language and the Estonian culture through the ages, the people of Estonia

Nations also protect their national character, cultures, peoplehood by restricting immigration or through citizenship policies. Be it Japan, China, Qatar, whatever. Israel is no different here, it has an immigration framework that doesnt preclude non-Jews,. Separately is the Law of Return, offering means for refuge to Jews or those with Jewish family members. This being necessary due to the unique and pervasive persecution Jews have faced over the millennia across the diaspora. But many nations also allow for citizenship based on whatever criteria they deem fit, Germany and Italy for example if you can prove ancestry.

As Haviv pointed out, Zionism came into contemporary discussion because Jews had no alternatives, and zionism means different things to Jews and Israel's critics. Getting rid of the word "zionism" from the discourse as Sam suggests, doesnt eliminate the bad faith critics of Israel from latching onto something else, especially when its used by them to uniquely malign one nation's character or right to exist.

u/Amazing-Cell-128 — 4 months ago

UNRWA fires 70 staffers amid Israeli accusation of Hamas ties

Unrwa fires 70 staffers amid Israeli accusation of Hamas ties

The refugee agency said the dismissals are not ‘a validation of the claims made against them’

Unrwa, the UN agency for Palestinian refugees, says it has dismissed 70 employees amid allegations by Israel that some of its staff have links to Hamas and other terrorist organisations.

Since the October 7 attacks, Israel has presented material which they say shows the involvement of Unrwa employees in terrorist activity, including participation in the Hamas-led attacks and the use of Unrwa facilities by terror groups.

Israel has also accused Unrwa-run schools in Gaza of using educational materials that incite hostility towards Israel and glorify violence.

However, despite dismissing dozens of staff members, Unrwa said the decision “does not constitute in any way a validation of the claims made against them”.

The agency added that the dismissals were not part of a disciplinary process, but were intended “to mitigate safety and security risks for the refugees”.

Hillel Neuer, executive director of UN Watch, a Geneva-based NGO that monitors the United Nations, said that “today’s action, while welcome, is only a small beginning”.

He added: “For years, UN Watch has exposed how Unrwa teachers, school principals and other employees are intertwined with Hamas, including terror chiefs heading the staff unions.”

UN Watch criticised Unrwa's “incoherent position – firing people while refusing to acknowledge why,” which it added “reveals an institution still more interested in protecting itself and its Hamas-embedded workforce than in genuine neutrality or accountability.”

In its statement announcing the dismissals, Unrwa said it had “repeatedly asked the Israeli authorities to provide information and evidence to substantiate allegations against individual Unrwa staff members in Gaza, but has received no response to date”.

Israel has alleged that more than ten per cent of Unrwa employees in Gaza have links to terrorist organisations and that some staff members took part in the October 7 attacks.

Several former hostages have said they were held in or near Unrwa facilities during their captivity in Gaza.

Israeli authorities have also cited footage from October 7 which they say shows a Unrwa employee transporting the body of Yonatan Samerano in a vehicle bearing Unrwa markings.

In February 2024, the IDF announced that it had uncovered an underground Hamas data centre beneath Unrwa's headquarters in Gaza. The Israeli military has also said that Hamas and other terrorist groups have operated from or sought shelter in school compounds run by the agency.

Founded in 1949, the year after Israel's War of Independence, Unrwa provides services to nearly six million Palestinians registered as refugees.

Critics argue that the agency's unique definition of refugee status, which extends to descendants of refugees, has helped perpetuate rather than resolve the conflict. Unrwa rejects that criticism, saying it operates under mandates set by the UN General Assembly.

Unrwa is one of two UN refugee agencies. The other, the UN High Commissioner for Refugees, is responsible for refugees worldwide. The United States, formerly Unrwa's largest donor, suspended funding in January 2024 following allegations concerning the involvement of some agency employees in the October 7 attacks.

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u/Amazing-Cell-128 — 4 months ago

I documented the horrors of October 7 but colleagues watered it down, claims UN torture rapporteur

I documented the horrors of October 7 but colleagues watered it down, claims UN torture rapporteur

United Nations special rapporteurs were “bullied” into not signing a letter documenting allegations arising from the October 7 attacks, the global body’s special rapporteur on torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment has claimed.

Dr Alice Edwards said some colleagues sought to water down a January 2024 letter detailing allegations received by her office, with a “concerted effort” to prevent aspects of the massacre being formally recorded by the UN.

In a conversation at UCL in London on Tuesday with barrister Adam Wagner KC, Edwards said only one other rapporteur ultimately signed the letter.

“That letter is a set of allegations of what happened on October 7; it was only signed by the Special Rapporteur on summary extrajudicial killings and me,” she said.

“Some other special rapporteurs and working groups had wanted to sign on, but they also had been bullied by others not to sign on, and there was this concerted effort for this letter not to put on record some allegations that had been received.”

Edwards, whose term ends in July, said the final version was significantly weaker than her original draft.

“There was a campaign to prevent that letter from going out. There were weeks of being bullied and deterred from writing it and telling me that everything in it was false,” she went on.

“All the comments of these individuals had been taken into account so the letter shrank considerably.”

The letter was eventually sent to the Permanent Mission of the State of Palestine in Geneva and "transmitted" to Hamas.

Edwards, an Australian lawyer, scholar and negotiator, was appointed to the unpaid role investigating torture allegations worldwide in 2022.

She is the seventh person in the position, the first woman to undertake the role, and one of 87 active mandate-holders supposed to report and advise on human rights from a thematic or country-specific perspective.

As part of her work, she has one staffer and is able to undertake a single official visit to a country to investigate torture allegations a year. She supplemented this with other self-funded visits and, in December 2024, she undertook a self-funded trip to southern Israel to document October 7.

“When something of that scale occurs and it is occurring in real time... it is important to be present and to investigate,” she said.

She described October 7 as “an atrocious event” and “one of the single largest abductions of individuals in modern history in one go”.

While her decision to investigate the attacks attracted criticism from anti-Israel activists, Edwards' mandate applied to all victims, including Palestinians alleging mistreatment in Israeli detention.

“When you’re the special rapporteur on torture, every victim counts. It is not that these victims are more important than those victims.”

Edwards also visited the kibbutzim that had been attacked, met hostage families, including Mandy Damari, and reviewed footage filmed by the perpetrators during the massacre.

“I understand I’m the only Special Rapporteur who has ever requested to go to the Israeli mission to see the video and the documented evidence,” she revealed.

According to Wagner, who represented hostage families with British links, Edwards was “without a doubt” the UN official who engaged most seriously with their concerns.

“She was the only UN official who they feel ever reached out for them or did anything for them,” he said.

The experience informed Edwards’ landmark report, Hostage Taking as Torture, which examines hostage-taking across conflicts from Colombia and Iraq to Ukraine, Iran and Nigeria.

“What is common among these scenarios? It is the mistreatment of the individuals that is being used as leverage,” she explained.

"It is not only that they have an individual, it is the threat that they are being tortured.

“That initial fear is very grave and then of course through the torment of that, being separated from families, being held in isolation, no proof of life of the individual for months and months on end and, in the case of Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad, being held in Unrwa schools, in tunnels, in mosques.”

During the conversation, Edwards also said she was concerned about a growing politicisation within the UN.

“The politicisation and the attempted politicisation and instrumentalisation of the special rapporteurs... going forward there are so many of us now.

“In the past we were this agile group forty years ago or thirty years ago of people that were supposed to be able to react actively and quickly to various issues that are going on in the world. Now we are being pushed to coordinate amongst one another.”

And she is similarly troubled by the emergence of some rapporteur mandates seemingly created by “a handful of governments” as a “counter to the stronger human rights angle”.

“Authoritarian and totalitarian governments don’t like the special rapporteurs, so they have created their own special rapporteurs and they fund them,” she explained, citing the Special Rapporteur on unilateral coercive measures – effectively a rapporteur against sanctions.

“Sanctions are one of the only tools we have as a human rights world to really put force on countries to do better and to stop torturing or persecuting their own populations,” she said.

She warned that chronic underfunding made the system vulnerable.

“When the system is so poorly resourced, one can be enticed to taking resources from places where one shouldn't take them,” she said. “And I think perceptions of bias are bad enough because we’re in a world where human rights are under threat,” she added.

Adam Wagner shared some of Edwards concerns.

“It appears these positions have been set up under the auspices of the Human Rights Council but they are working against some of the principles,” he said. “That is an extraordinary system to set up.”

But it is not only the rapporteur system that Edwards spoke candidly of – but the UN itself.

“The Secretary-General’s office and others are just no longer participating in peace negotiations, they are no longer front and centre,” she said.

Edwards worked under UN Secretary-General António Guterres during his time at UNHCR. Yet she believes the organisation has become increasingly sidelined as conflicts proliferate.

“At the moment of the Black Sea Grain Deal, he declared this was his greatest achievement in office. I couldn’t believe it. That is the greatest achievement in office?

“The amount of wars in the world are exponential. We have over 120 different armed conflicts going on at present and the whole raison d'être of the UN is to prevent and stop wars and they are just absent. They get invited last minute.”

“Now the UN is being organised outside the UN. We need the next UN Secretary-General to be honest about this sidelining.”

Edwards said the future of the UN is vital – but if its future cannot be guaranteed, then an alternative must be drawn up.

“We all want the UN to be a robust but also honest and objective body and if it can’t do the job, then maybe we do need to start thinking about what replaces it.

“That is a very worrying scenario,” she concluded.

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u/Amazing-Cell-128 — 4 months ago

Sam's recent substack comments about if palestinians laid down their arms then there would be peace, map directly to Hezbollah

In his recent substack article, Sam Harris correctly noted about the I/P situation that:

>"If the Palestinians laid down their arms, there would be peace. There could be a two-state solution; there could even be a one-state solution; it wouldn’t matter. If the Palestinians simply stopped killing Jews and stopped building a culture that celebrates pointless murder and martyrdom as its highest values, there could be a diverse, tolerant, and prosperous society between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. There could have been one eighty years ago. But if the Israelis laid down their weapons, there would be a genocide. This was obviously true on October 7th, 2023. And for anyone who has been paying attention, it has been true on every other day since the founding of the state of Israel."

>https://samharris.substack.com/p/why-i-wont-debate-critics-of-israel

He’s right of course, but this also maps 1:1 onto Lebanon situation, which he should speak more about.

Sam Harris’s point about the Palestinians is the same for Hezbollah. At any point in the below decades of war and conflict, Lebanon could have peace if Hezbollah laid down its arms and gave up on its quest to kill jews. Egypt and Jordan have enjoyed peace now with Israel for nearly 50 and 35 years respectively. Why? Because they ceased hostilities.

  1. Oct 8, 2023, the day after 10/7, Hezbollah starts attacking northern Israel, causing up to 80,000 Israelis to be displaced/relocated. Israeli/Hezbollah remain in conflict between (Oct 2023 – Sept 2024) trading strikes, this is the period when the pager attacks happen and Nasrallah is killed.

  2. Oct 2024, Hezbollah continues its attacks, conflict evolves into a full blown war when Israel invades Lebanon to forcibly remove Hezbollah from the south.

  3. Nov 2024, Israel/Hezbollah agrees to a ceasefire, Hezbollah promises to remove itself up to the Litani river. Dec 2024 – Feb 2026, ceasefire largely holds with both sides conducting the occasional strike against one another.

  4. March 2026, Hezbollah formally breaks ceasefire and resumes attacks on northern Israel as retaliation for the Iranian regime decapitation strikes. The war resumes, and Israel proceeds to keep pushing its ground operations north.

….and all this Hezbollah belligerency and aggression beginning Oct 8, 2023, comes after Hezbollah violated UN Security resolution 1701. 1701 was negotiated to end the 2006 Lebanon war, it was supposed to demilitarize Hezbollah and remove them from southern Lebanon to the Litani river.

…and the 2006 Lebanon war started when Hezbollah began conducting cross border attacks into Israel.

…and this occurred because Israel withdrew from southern Lebanon in 2000, which Israel occupied beginning in 1982 as a result of ongoing cross border attacks by Palestinian “liberation” and Lebanese militia groups.

…and those groups were allowed to build up and attack Israel because UNIFIL was a failure, and UNIFIL came to be in 1978 as a “solution” to end the 1978 Israel invasion of southern Lebanon (that too, a conflict started by the PLO using Lebanon as a base of operations to attack Israel).

...

The WSJ has a piece out yesterday describing how Lebanon is teetering on a civil war thanks to a variety of economic and domestic troubles foisted onto the Lebanese people/state as a byproduct of the ongoing war and conflict between Israel and Hezbollah. The WSJ article notes that Israel is trying to pass operations/security where possible over to the Lebanese army, “On Thursday, Israeli troops pulled out of the southern municipality of Dibbin and were replaced by the Lebanese.”

Sadly the main violator of Lebanese sovereignty that seems intent on prolonging the conflict, never committing to peace, and refuses to lay down its arms, is Hezbollah. Even to the extent that civil war may break out.

u/Amazing-Cell-128 — 4 months ago

As Sam gets criticized for his Mamdani comments, we see more antisemitic protests in NYC piling up, still with very tepid responses or none at all. DOJ has taken notice.

Sam has repeatedly pointed out that leftists are being manipulated by Islamists, and has said that Mamdani may very well be at least an apologist for Islamists.

We see imagery emerging out of NYC definitely shows the former, and from what I can tell Mamdani's office either puts out very tepid or lukewarm responses on the protestors, or nothing at all.

The protest last week were "anti-zionists" fighting NYPD in the streets, and another protest was last night. In both, hezbollah flags were flying high, along with screams that jews be cleansed from the territory (river to sea, no two state, etc). Another is scheduled this weekend.

The organization holding these protests is PAL-Awda / Al-Awda. You can read about their National Board here.

I'm kidding, it appears to have been scrubbed/purged.

But you can see an archived page with some names. I grabbed one at random and checked: Charlotte Kates

  1. Charlotte Kates is cofounder to Samidoun, a designated terror organization by Canada and has been sanctioned by the US and Germany. She also attended Nasrallah's funeral, etc.

What a surprise.

The DOJ has taken notice of the protests:

Leo Terrell, chair of the U.S. Justice Department’s task force on Jew-hatred, called on New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani to take action following a protest outside the Young Israel of Midwood in Brooklyn on Monday night that led to four arrests. Terrell criticized city leadership over what he described as insufficient enforcement following incidents targeting Jewish New Yorkers. “Let me be clear, I am sick and tired of Jews being harassed in New York City,” Terrell said. “Did you see what happened in Brooklyn? Where is the mayor? Where is the district attorney? Where are the hate crime charges?”

But again...it looks like Sam is spot on in his assessment in what's going on here.

u/Amazing-Cell-128 — 5 months ago

So last night a protest was held outside a NYC synagogue by "anti-zionists". They purportedly were opposing a real estate expo being held there about settlements.

I say purportedly because I'm not sure what opposition to west bank settlements has to do with celebrating hezbollah, or screaming that Israel should not exist, or chanting mottos suggesting that jews should be cleansed from the territory.

  1. Here we have video of the protestors, with a Hezbollah flag held high, fighting against NYPD

  2. Protestors also screaming "no two states, we want all of it" and "there is only one solution intifada revolution" and "end the zionist state" and chanting in arabic "from water to water [river to sea] palestine is arab"

Now what has Mamdani's office said about this? Were their words about these protestors as harsh as what they told The Intercept about the Expo Event?

>"Mayor Mamdani is deeply opposed to the real estate expo this evening that includes the promotion of the sale of land in settlements in the Occupied West Bank,” said Sam Raskin, a spokesperson for Mamdani, in a statement to The Intercept. “These settlements are illegal under international law and deeply tied to the ongoing displacement of Palestinians"

Hmmm....

Seems we have lots to say about purported "international law violations" within the west bank.

Now how much was said about protestors waving a hezbollah flag? Or demanding Israel doesnt have a right to exist or suggesting that jews should be cleansed from the territory?

How seriously is Mamdani's office taking this?

***Edit.

The Expo is merely about making Aliyah and dissemination of info relating to insurance, tax advisors, mortgages, assisted living, etc when moving. Covered locations include Jerusalem, Tel aviv, Haifa, Ashkelon, etc.

u/Amazing-Cell-128 — 5 months ago

Sam has discussed the influence of the Qatari state in many domains (academic, foreign affairs, etc) and at times expressed skepticism on the impartiality of international bodies and their biases, especially as it relates to Israel.

So curious what his thoughts would be on the WSJ story yesterday that it appears Qatar had influence over the ‘independent’ ICC prosecutor (Karim Khan) with regard to his 2024 decision to charge Israeli leaders?

Even more grotesquely, they hired intelligence firms to target a woman he allegedly sexually assaulted, to see if she had any Jewish blood.

Background:

  1. Just weeks prior to the arrest warrants, both Khan and the ICC were made aware of sexual assault allegations from a victim (Malaysian muslim ICC attorney) alleging that Khan had sexually assaulted her. At the time, the victim confided in colleagues about what happened, but a whistleblower complaint resulted in the ICC‘s oversight board/mechanism (IOM) also becoming aware. The IOM then approached the victim in what she felt was an unprofessional manner, she didn’t trust them, and felt their goal was to have her say the allegations were fabricated, so she declined to pursue a formal complaint. However a second victim came forward in 2025.

  2. Last year, the Guardian reported that Qatar commissioned two intelligence firms to target the victim in a covert operation to discredit her by ‘establishing connections between her and Israel’. However nothing was found.

Yesterday's WSJ story was that they reviewed a new witness statement and audio recordings from someone familiar with the operation (which was also submitted to the FBI, as the operation targeted Americans as well).

In one of the recordings reviewed by WSJ, its revealed that Khan ‘wanted to issue the warrant, but was terrified to do it’, but he was then reassured that if he does, “they” would look after him. When Khan inquired who “they” was, the firm’s intelligence operations manager said it was the Qatari state.

In another recording, its revealed the extent the firms went to try and establish the victim’s connection to Israel or Jews. Again, the victim being a Malaysian muslim woman. They note that she “didn’t have a Jewish grandmother”, but that her husband ‘once worked at kosher food subsidiary’, which therefore would be ‘associated with a Rabbi’.

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/karim-khan-icc-prosecutor-benjamin-netanyahu-qatar-israel-7b62d474

u/Amazing-Cell-128 — 6 months ago