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I could use some more sleep, but I felt compelled to write this post first.

Someone told me a while back on Reddit (I can't remember where, I'm on so many subforums) that there are different levels at which you astral project, and you can be advanced at one level, and not so much at others, and they have different qualities (or types of astral projections). It came from a book someone had been reading. I think it might've been on one of the Gateway Tapes subforums (though I haven't used the Gateway Tapes).

I saw what was in the book as something of a broad categorisation, but after astral projecting the other night to somewhere that felt very close to the physical world, if it wasn't actually the physical world, there can be a huge difference in how certain astral projection experiences feel.

Despite having a nice meeting with my guide there, I didn't like the way the astral felt. There was something vaguely threatening about it, probably because it felt so close to physical reality and more of my physical world self was present. There was the hesitation that comes with doing things that would be 'dangerous' in the physical world, like jumping out of a window to fly.

Normally during experiences, I feel far enough away from physical reality that it isn't the case (despite the astral world appearing real around me). Also, the 'me' that astral projects normally is 'untethered' from my emotions and every feeling and thing connected with the physical world. I feel separate from it, clear-headed, and in control. I didn't feel this way projecting so close to the physical world (if that's what it was). My emotions were there to a limited extent, and I had access to something resembling a physical world thinking process, though I believe engaging with it too much sent me back to my body.

On the higher levels (if that's what they are), that thinking process isn't there in anything resembling the same way. If you think of something, it's typically as you take action to do the thing, though you can remember things there. Whereas this experience was like an altered version of using your physical world mind.

Even though my experience was mostly positive and flying was very nice, etc, I didn't like the degree to which the physical world 'me' was present in the experience. I prefer astral states where the 'me' lacks the physical world personality and connections, but is still me. Just a slightly different me.

I wanted to say this because I didn't believe it was possible to project and retain so much of your normal thinking process at the same time. It is, just on a different astral level that seems to be closer to the physical.

There's something definitely unsettling about that place though. Like given a choice to project anywhere, I'd prefer not to project on that level. Even though my experience was good or mostly good, there's a vaguely threatening feeling about the astral there. It's not.. comfortable that the human, incarnated, thinking mind should be a part of the experience so much. It makes it a bit scary, when at what I presume to be at higher or different astral levels, that fear doesn't exist. There's just peace, personality, control and action, and I much.. MUCH prefer the latter.

The difference is like night and day. I wanted to share this to let you know experiences can be very different in that way (in how the astral feels and how and who/what you are when you project). It's possible to do things in both ways, or more than those ways.

I just had an astral projection experience, but it was different from my usual ones. It was very close to physical reality, I think. It was way different from my usual ones and there was more of 'me' in it. It was like being in the physical world but I could pass through objects.

I started with a dream of being in Las Vegas, staying at a hotel. There was a painting on the wall with a woman whose mouth was closed, then it was open, then it was closed again. And it creeped me out.

I was already in bed, but I was there too, and I felt myself starting to astral project. I cast off my body (in ways I usually don't when I astral project). I felt it more connected to me around the wrists, until I loosened my own emotional or mental hold in some way, and I let myself slip out of my body. I went into another room, where there was glass, then I passed through the glass, which felt weirdly cool, and found myself standing above a great height (on a window sill) with a yard below. I decided to let go and push off into the air, hoping I wouldn't fall. I drifted down slightly at first, then pushed forward and flew, and did that for a while.. and then I set down (only I teleported) into a Christmas shop.. somewhere. It's May. I don't know why I was in a Christmas shop.

There were trees and decorations. Lots of them in the aisles of a store. It might've been another type of shop that just had a section for Christmas. I began looking around for Michael, wanting to see him again. He's one of my guides. I thought I saw the form of someone and then it was gone again, and then he walked down the aisle toward me. I expected to see the light of an angel, but I saw a man.

He looked different, utterly real and in a long, black woollen coat. He had brown, short hair and just a different face and unlike the other Michael who was silent, he spoke to me.

He said something to me, like '<my name>, wow.' He hadn't expected to see me. He asked me to follow him outside. Then he said something like, 'this has been quite a night for ghostly visits.' He walked around a section of the store to get out and I just walked straight through it because I was projecting and could. I was thinking what to say to him about it being before Christmas, but.. it's May.

As soon as we got outside, I unintentionally returned to my body.

That was very, VERY real and seemed just like the physical world. Why was it Christmas? And why am I trembling now? Maybe I'm just cold but I don't think it's that.

It felt different to my usual AP experiences. Normally I leave parts of myself behind when I project that I didn't this time to the same extent. There was much more physical-world 'me' in this.

Something about the word 'ghostly' makes me nervous, but.. I wasn't actually a ghost, just projecting. I hope. :/

My astral experiences have changed form over the years. I used to project into non-inhabited astral versions of physical reality, usually my home and places surrounding it. Lately, I've been having experiences that aren't exactly astral projection but more like possession of fragments, my oversoul and gods.. for lack of a better word. Like a female goddess-like entity who breathed life into what looked like a human body. It was black with lines of energy running over its surface, like an android.

Also, conscious dream realities that aren't the physical world but aren't the same as astral projection either. Sort of like somewhere in between where a different part of me is or becomes conscious (often with some goal I don't fully understand). I've also seen annunaki twice recently, and while I could brush those off as dreams, they seem to have a very distinct energy about them.

There's also this feeling like a build up of energy that doesn't have anywhere to go, like it wants to find a way out but doesn't have one yet. I noticed the same a few months ago, and the feeling went away on its own but it's returned. Also this feeling like I'm compelled to try and get through something, and find my way out of it. It's not really a 'matrix' like thing.. I think. It's more like layers in the way.

It's hard to describe the feeling but it's very strong. No one else seems to be talking about this stuff, so it might just be me. :/

I've had a couple of these lately, and what's weird is I recognise what they were immediately on sight. They seem to have a very distinct energy.

In one semi-lucid dream or experience, there was an Anunnaki couple in a crowd (towering over the crowd), and they were letting me look at them and study them, and 'read' them. Like they wanted me to be able to recognise them.

When I'm in their presence, my body reverts to that of a child. It's like they're so ancient, I'm a child by comparison, so my astral/dream body becomes a child's.

The other one I saw was a warrior, and I could feel it coming by its energy and recognised it at once.

Has anyone else had experiences like this?

As for the Eye of Providence, I've seen it in the sky watching me, and also when I tried to cross the void, it was in a triangle and on some kind of base, and it sent me back to my body.

I should mention first up that I'm not from the US (I'm Australian) and I don't consider myself political. However, as someone who astral projects regularly and interacts with other astral projectors, I feel the need to bring up this topic somewhere.

I've seen people more than once discussing their experiences when they tried to visit the Whitehouse and US military bases. More than one person has written of what are effectively shadow creatures defending the locations. I've never seen a shadow creature during my own projections, but I've also never visited the Whitehouse.

However, I was speaking with one of my guides last night (Michael), who might or might not be of an angelic nature. When I asked him once before if he was an angel, he said 'some people call us that.' He told me last night that the Whitehouse is on unholy ground.

It makes sense when people are seeing shadowy creatures and things there. So I wanted to put it out there and see if anyone else has had similar experiences. If you're a priest, have the church check it out. Please.

I know the church (most religions) wouldn't agree with my astral projecting (most of it happens unintentionally) or my talking with an entity (and probably wouldn't see him as the same Michael as the archangel), but no matter what he is, that doesn't mean he's wrong.

I don't mean on the astral.

For those of you who have strong connections with entities on the astral (guides, gods, angels, other beings, etc), do you ever wonder if disclosure or 'the shift' occurs, one day you'll see them in the physical world?

Like one day you'll hear the door bell and open the door, and a familiar face will be standing there looking back at you?

I wonder that sometimes.

I have a question. I haven't used the Gateway Tapes before, as far as I'm aware. I learned astral projection through meditation, book exercises and basically not having a choice after I opened the door to it around thirty years ago.

Someone explained the I/There clusters in Focus 42 on Reddit recently, and I realised that these are experiences I've been having. They seem to relate to interaction and integration with your oversoul.

There don't seem to be many materials out there (that I've found so far) that really cover this sort of stuff. What I've learned so far doesn't conform to the same methods in the Gateway Tapes. I've noticed though that the Monroe Institute offers courses on these focus levels.

So I'm wondering, as someone approaching this from an outside perspective (and not in the US), what is the best course of action? Is this something you'd suggest the Gateway Tapes for or is there information that doesn't include their use? What does the terrain look like between Focus 42 and 49, and beyond that (if there is a beyond that?).

Thanks. :)