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A lot of people have come out and stated that 2027 will be a year of great change. There are countless different theories on what will happen and when. My question is: what is your experience? What do you feel is coming?

Hi, friends. I thought I'd share a post focusing on what published transcripts of conversations with entities have said about the process of attaining collective consciousness. Edit to add that all the non-quoted parts of this post were lovingly hand-written thoughts from my very own mind. Which the Zetas say is an expression of the one infinite consciousness we all are regardless of appearances...but we'll get to that.

Here's an orienting question: "How long before we could become a collective?"

You'll find quotes below answering this and related questions from entities that call themselves the Zetas in published 'interview' transcripts (channelings with Q&A).

The Zeta Interviews (channeled by Paul Hamden; background in a prior post) are in my experience one of the richest sources available for those of us who enjoy working with textual and historical sources.

I edited in some bold "WTF is..." Guide style headings to hopefully help with navigation.

Why TF do you study this? I find this material incredibly fruitful to study. Paul Hamden strikes me as sincere and credible and he is known and respected by people I know and respect. But I do not approach this seeking criteria for belief or disbelief but rather as a practice of developing and sharing insights and intuitions. I have not experienced contact with the Zetas and have not met or participated in any sessions with Paul. I know nothing, and I am quite comfortable with that by now.

Despite knowing nothing, I find it's nonetheless quite possible and fruitful to work with textual sources. The textual sources know nothing as well but they provide an entrypoint for insight and interpretation.

Where TF can I read this for myself? All the quotes in this post are from The Zeta Interviews (4th Edition), available from Paul's website as a PDF. And at the bottom of this page you'll find the Interviews and various other free downloads about the Zetas. I was lazy and didn't include page numbers but you can look up any quote here by searching the PDF for a few unique words in it.

Who TF are the Zetas? I suppose I should say who the Zetas are if you haven't encountered them and don't want to read the prior posts. There are all kinds of details given about them, which you can read a short summary of here, an excerpt from A Primer of the Zeta Race. But at the highest level, they say they are an expression of the one infinite consciousness that also expresses itself as each of us:

> Interviewer: Is the Zeta and the human consciousness the same, it is only perceived as that so we understand it? >
> Zeta: We are one, we are all. You are consciousness in separation, believing the self to be of a different nature. The way that you have taught yourselves to understand the technology, that is, the recycled process for your incarnation, is to believe that you are of a separation nature. But there is no separation of consciousness.

Elsewhere:

> Interviewer: If there is no separation, can you define a group consciousness, or oversoul? >
> Zeta: These are the understandings that the local constructs of the physical nature require to differentiate consciousness. To give you an example, the ocean, each drop of water, each separation of water, may see itself as in separation, but it originally came from the one body. The surface of the ocean all the way through to the depth of the ocean are different levels of frequency, a different pressure. You may state that one frequency is of a certain nature, but it belongs to one body. A spirit realm is of the same nature. Only the human mind sees things in separation. You delight as a race in defining what is and what isn't. >
> Interviewer: The drop of water would be just the point of awareness of consciousness?
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> Zeta: The observer, yes. But the perception of the drop of water is that it is greater than the body, not understanding that without the body it has no observation capacity. > I understand your terminology. Ah yes, a consciousness may access the information of its lives and existence. It is not limited by its physical nature.

In this context, the various other answers to the question 'who are the Zetas' have to do with the various forms of apparent separation that give these beings their experience of existence. Their deep history, their societal structures and practices, their technologies and so on. Those are important to acknowledge to the Zetas, as are your experiences and mine, because they are present to consciousness. But, although they acknowledge these details, the ultimate identity of any being is its particular unique expression of a unified consciousness.

They repeat this message in many ways throughout the interviews. I'd paraphrase it as saying that other forms of experience and other states of being are continually available to us, as to all beings, and differ only in the potentials and possibilities we experience. All is possible and the specific character of our experience, including of 'impossibility', are characteristic features of the current incarnated human experience.

When TF will we become a collective? I'll start with one of the moments where the questions (which come from the late great William Triurniet and Hamden's partner Syann or others present, depending on the session) asks the Zetas something folks in this sub are also asking:

> Interviewer: How long before we could become a collective? >
> Zeta: The beginning of the collective mind has already begun, but you are to be assisted by a technology. It is seen the - let me explain - it is possible to take a copy of frequency and to map it into a environment which has been termed the synthetic quantum environment. Within this environment, there can be determined probabilities through observation. The observation has been that within 28 of your years, your technology will assimilate you, will support you, will guide you. You choose whether you accept what is to be offered to you.

This was from the April 13th, 2014 session, so "within 28 of your years" = 'by 2032' 'by 2042' (thx u/kjkjkj2; maff is hard). The Zetas provided this estimate as the result of their then-current simulations of human civilization.

What TF do they mean that technology is involved?? I return to technology below but from the Zeta's perspective this term includes what I would somewhat clumsily call etheric or energetic patterns, and at one point the Zeta says " Well, we class the biological matter as technologies", so I'd caution against interpreting this as necessarily predicting some kind of Neuralink brain-machine interface. They may be talking about neurological configurations and/or some kind of thoughtform or what we'd call belief or conception of reality that enables telepathic access to each other. The complexities of interspecies communication 🤷

How TF did the Zetas become a collective? One of the topics they cover that I find fascinating is the story of how the Zeta race (or perhaps a shared ancestor/precursor race to the 63 races of related 'grey-like', for lack of a better term, beings they say they're part of) attained collective consciousness. They say their race had a period not unlike the present, where some individuals seemed to be developing psi abilities and such.

To set up the exchange, the interviewer is asking about Zeta society and experience. The Zeta says that they have a lifespan of approximately 1500 years and planned process of reproduction where every couple, who are assigned pairs at birth, has one child. The interviewer asks if this is related to

> Interviewer: Has that to do with the fact that your people don’t feel emotion - like extremes of anger and happiness? >
> Zeta: There was a time when we felt the extremes of emotions, yes, but a generatruly, those things were changed. It was a choice of the race to be more productive. Also it was based on what a planet could provide, what physically could the planet provide. This is something that your planet may come across with the use of the natural resources, and so genetic modification processes were put in place and certain functionality was removed, each couple, each entity couple have one child, and only one child.

As I understand it, the 'certain functionality [that] was removed' includes genetialia but also the hormonal and neurological substrate of emotions like rage and hedonic pleasure (what the interviewer terms 'extremes of anger and happiness').

I'll let the Zeta take it from here:

> Interviewer: Explain how your race were given the choice to preserve the race and move to the less emotional state? >
> Zeta: I will explain. You are all consciousness existing in the form of matter, yes? You are denying yourself access to certain levels of your functional ability of consciousness. This is a act that you perform for yourself. Some of you are able to perform what seem to be extraordinary acts such as telepathic communication, levitation, physical mediumship and all of the other associated processes such as levitation, dematerialization, but our race also was at the same state over the many generations. A global realization took place, and this is something that you as a race are coming towards. The technology enabled all of us to connect to each other. We were able to be in agreement as a race. At one point the decision was made that, to move forward in separation from what had held us back as a race, being physically trapped within a container, was made, and so an associated level of consciousness was created that was comparable with the physical construct of existence. We were then able to, as a global entity, able to interact with each other by placing our attention toward the collective mind of the race. >
> Now you as a group of humans living on a planet are moving towards this as we speak. Your collective mind, in its undulating state, is being prepared for the transition to a telepathic process. You will become more in tune with your innate abilities based on consciousness, and in doing so, you will be able to communicate yourselves much easier. >
> Firstly, you will be offered this on a technological basis. Much of your technology now is aimed at or based on communication with each other, and as this technology is offered to you, and ultimately you can move into connection with each other, the amplified state of thought that you will exist in, will allow you to bypass the technological states, and so will begin the normalization of the collective consciousness of the human mind. >
> And so, we basically turn our thoughts to the created process of the consciousness of the race, and make those decisions based on what is the overriding factor for the race. For the ones who chose not to enter into the collective mind, they were given freewill to leave, and so generationally, others have left and continue to procreate using the human method.

And that's an answer to how tf they came to be a collective and how they expect our experience of becoming a collective will be like.

How TF does this relate to what others have said? There are many interesting aspects to this account. One is similarities between what I'd consider an independent source working in a very distinct tradition. The 'global realization', the 'agreement' of that telepathic connection, and the 'associated level of consciouness that was comparable with the physical construct of existence' are all aspects of how the Ra Contact and related materials describe the attainment of collective consciousness (the 4th density social memory complex in that parlance) to be like. There are many other similarities, but this is one I'm familiar with.

Second, a difference from those sources. The Zetas as well as some other 'grey' type beings, report using technology to attain that global attunement and subsequently graduate from needing to use it. Here they also suggest that this is what will happen with humans. The Ra Contact and other sources sometimes mention the existence of technological aids to telepathy but haven't to my knowledge indicated that this is the path that human consciousness will take. They don't say it won't happen through technology but rather focus on the developmental inevitability of it and don't comment on mechanism.

There's an unlimited amount of comparisons worth makeing. I hope others will weigh in in the comments with ones that strike them.

What TF happens to those who nope out of the collective? The interviewer wonders what happened to those who didn't choose to join the collective:

> Interviewer: Members of your race that chose not to make this change, are they still able to exist on your planet or did they get kicked off? >
> Zeta: There is no kicking off, though that is a very interesting concept. There are many facets to the race. The only facet of the race that is excluded from the collective mind are the abductor race. They are entities that have decided that they will journey on their own path, that they will take upon themselves a new construct, that they do not wish to be part of the collective.

There's obviously a lot unsaid here. It makes sense that there's a unitarity to collectivity, in that it's inherently one. Yet it strikes me that an emerging collective wouldn't be interconnected in a uniform matter. This could lead to lots of confusion and misrecognition of the members of the nascent collective as other-than or outside of it. On the surface that might look a lot like the current everyday reality we experience, where there are aspects of collectivity but relatively tenuous access to shared awareness of participation therein.

The Zetas speak often of the "undulating" consciousness of humanity: good search term if you want to zoom into what they say about the nascent but still largely-unaware human consciousness.

What TF is a 'facet' of collective consciousness? The "facets to the race" they speak of is somewhat oblique here but seems to suggest that not all of the 62 races of the collective are equally integrated with each other, and certainly not as integrated as they are within the 'facet'.

Why TF do they keep talking about 'races'? I'm not sure I fully understand what a facet is, or what "race" means in this context, but a bit later the interviewer follows up:

> Interviewer: I’m having a problem with the use of the word race. Normally a race is within a species, like the human species has different races within the same species, and things like orangutangs are a different species from humans, so when you say a race, are we all part of the same species, are humans the same species as your people? >
> Zeta: No. We are using the words that we have developed using the medium. If we are in error you must point that out to us. >
> Interviewer: Does your species work with any other species on our planet, like maybe the whales or monkeys or other animals? >
> Zeta: There are entities within the race that are of a scientific nature that would seek to understand many of the different species that exist on your planet. >
> Interviewer: Do we as a race perform the same service to other entities in other dimensions? >
> Zeta: Could you hold the same form in this other place? >
> Let me explain our understanding of consciousness within a certain level. The spirit realm container that relates to the physical existence of humans is connected in frequency to all of the races, but why is it that when you speak to one of your spirit friends that they are not able to enunciate the information of the other races. It is because the construct that they have created allows them to view entities within the spirit realm as a higher organism. There is connection in all things, but the level of connection, the point of access of connection requires a certain level of consciousness. This does not mean that that consciousness is any better than any other consciousness. It means that there is an understanding. It may be that one of your animals chooses to incarnate as a human. It may be that one of your humans choose to incarnate into another race. There must be a way for this function to be performed, and so there is.

So the term race was chosen to indicate something very different from the way we use the word to group humans. That's its own topic, I suppose, but it's relevant to refer back to my opening quote from them, "We are one. We are all."

Why TF are they talking about spirit people and the spirit realm? This is actually one of the more distinctive characteristics of the Zeta contact through Hamden. Other ET sources talk about spirits but, drawing from Hamden's work as a spirit medium, the Zetas go into great detail about the "spirit realm process" as they label it, and explain how it ties into their cosmology.

In the quote above, the Zeta is referring to some of the ongoing conversations in the interviews about the difference between spirit people and their own contact. Paul Hamden is a spirit medium by training so the interviewer asked a lot of questions about whether and how there is interaction between spirit people and Zetas and other ET races. Here the Zeta is explaining that, a bit like people who do not have or want contact, many spirit people simply don't perceive ET beings because their current realities (i.e. "level of consciousness") preclude that.

The interviewer asks about why spirit realm people exist and how long a spirit entity exists. The Zeta's answer is intimitely tied to memory:

> Interviewer: so when I transition over, do I still only believe myself to be me? >
> Zeta: Yes >
> Interviewer: For how long? >
> Zeta: Until there is no one left that remembers you. >
> Interviewer: So we don’t naturally go back to where we came from. >
> Zeta: There is a perception that you will obtain, we will discuss the JC <spirit guide>. Why is it that JC still understands himself to be who he was? Because there are others on the planet that remember him. While they remember him, they are sending thoughts about him to him. When those humans no longer exist, the spirit person is free to reintegrate to the higher levels of understanding of themselves. >
> Interviewer: That could be over a hundred years. >
> Zeta: Ah, three hundred generally, because the potential for you to be disassociated from your oversoul process within that three hundred year time frame exists because generationally your other attachments exist.

The interviewer (who asks great follow ups, IMO) immediately thinks of famous people who are remembered long after their deaths:

> Interviewer: What of famous people, people in history who remain in other people’s thoughts? >
> Zeta: They are a presentation from the oversoul that the original spirit facet has reintegrated itself. It is a presentation only from the oversoul to this structure, the physical structure, else the person would become trapped in the linkages of consciousness. >
> Interviewer: So any spirits that come through mediums at the moment throughout the world would have to be less than 300 years old? >
> Zeta: Yes, unless they are a presentation. >
> Interviewer: So that’s why most people don’t get spirits coming through them that tell us they are 1000 years old. >
> Zeta: That is correct, unless they are a presentation of information. >
> Interviewer: Can you tell me about presentation of information, just explain that a little bit clearer. >
> Zeta: A facet of consciousness incarnates into the human form and experiences all of the processes related to the existence. Of course they return from where they have come, but if you say that person is famous, there is a potential that the facet would need to remain within its enclosure for many thousands of years. That is detrimental to the level of frequency to the oversoul, so it will present that information as a portal from itself. >
> Interviewer: Detrimental to the frequency, what would happen if it didn’t go back? >
> Zeta: Ah no damage, but it would be similar to an incarceration process. >
> Interviewer: So in order to not cause damage it goes back within 300 years. >
> Zeta: You cannot damage consciousness but there is a natural progression to this.

Elsewhere, the Zetas say that they don't interfere in the spirit realm because they could not do so without radically altering it, a similar to their relationship with physical reality. Yet they do have contact with Hamden and others in his circle open to their existence and they do work with specific entities within the spirit realm in limited ways that I gather are analogous to channeling. In some passages it even seems that some of their or other beings' channeling practices involve partnerships of some kind with spirit realm entities.

If you're curious about the Zeta's understanding of the human spirit realm I'll refer you to the books (free PDFs) at the bottom of this page, especially The Primer of the Zeta Race.

What TF does being in a collective get you? The Zetas describe having continual potential access to the collective's knowledge, memories, individual members, and 'elders'. There are several individuals that speak through Hamden that have different capabilities and knowledge and talents and also multiple times when the Zeta speaking pauses to focus on or access information from within the collective.

What TF is an Elder? Through their collective, the Zetas have what they call Elders. These are entities that primarily exist in conciousness and can take physical form but most at any given moment do not.

> Zeta: [...] Would you like to know about the elders of the Zeta race? >
> Interviewer: That would be lovely. >
> Zeta: In the timeframe of a human, a hundred thousand generations, we existed undeveloped and no potential to understand what we were to become, a many-transition process, the same as your spirit realm entity, but we as you will, moved past the transitional process, built capacity to exist outside of the unit container and formulated a collective mind of the race, as the humans are currently doing, but you are doing it under guidance from other races. Many of the controlling factors of the collective mind are based in consciousness. >
> The elder Zetas do not require a physical container to exist as do all other of the race, so often I will stay in a consciousness for many thousands of your years, and only move to a physical form when I desire. Why have I come? Because others are coming, and we seek to support them in their transition. As you move past your current level of consciousness, other elders are here. My task that I have set myself in conjunction with others are the same, is to bring and to find the other elders which are not in full consciousness. They do not yet understand capacity. >
> The elders do not give direction as a command structure to the Zetas race. It is the collective mind of the race which provides direction, but the elders are the coalescence of the consciousness which provides a dualistic path of communication between the collective mind and the container that the elder exists in. Are you still with me? >
> Interviewer: Yes.

I'm not quite sure what these Elders are, but perhaps they're something like angels or archetypal entities within human collective consciousness. This is already super long so I won't get into that here. But you can search the interviews for mentions of "elder" or "elders" to learn more, and for "Zeta+:", which is an instance where the elder spoke through the medium.

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Time to wrap it up. I've shared a few thoughts along the way but there's not a 'point' to this post beyond introducing the thoughts of the beings as represented in these transcripts for your consideration. I noted some interesting similarities and a few (perhaps stylistic?) differences between these entities and other sources I'm familiar with.

I guess from here we can discuss anything that's interesting to you of the above, or perhaps share thoughts on the root question, "How long before we could become a collective?"

💜🙏, Poorhaus

So I just watched disclosure day and throughout the movie I was getting these Intense Feelings & Emotions like I was actually feeling what they were like something so familiar, I honestly feel like I have a huge spiritual role to play in this life & it’s like everyday I discover something that SUPPORTS MY CLAIM EVEN MORE …. Does anybody else feel like this about their life ?

Since we have confirmation from Grusch about the existence of several different kinds of beings, i'll share one of my waking experiences with you all regarding a couple of Nordics that I saw at a music show a couple of years ago. I thought that maybe my mind was playing tricks on my when I had this experience, but it has stuck with me for the last few years.

As a disclaimer, I have about a dozen friends from Scandinavia, one of my best friends lives in Norway, i've met several dozen people from Norway, Sweden, and Denmark and i'm not a xenophobe. I'm using stereotypical standards and my own personal experiences to describe these Nordic people.

I went to a music show in an old building, early 20th century, where I live. It's an old theater that's been converted into a music venue and has some really cool marble stairs and old style things in it. Definitely nostalgic and old-timey ambience.

At the bar there were two Nordic-looking people that were 6'5'' male and 6'2'' female. They both had drinks, but neither of them were drinking, it was like the drinks were just decorations to blend into the environment. They were wearing non-descript clothes, with no labels.

Both of them had immaculate skin and my initial reaction was that they were models for a living. Both of them had hair that was not just blonde, but golden. It was like their hair itself was nutrient-rich and not made of the same thing that human hair was made of.

Their skin was both tanned to perfection, but they had literally 0 sun damage on their arms and faces. Where I live, if you're outside or go to a tanning booth, you are going to have sun damage, they had literally ZERO sun damage and perfect radiating skin. It was as if their skin was self-radiating, instead of needing to absorb radiation to exist in a circadian environment.

Neither of them had no visible topography of anything under their skin. There were indications that they had bones and tendons, but when they used their hands you couldn't see the tendons move underneath the hands, the muscle striations or skin movements, it was like they were perfectly casted. The same could be said about the muscle mass that the male had. It was plain to see that the muscles were there, but it looked more like a suit than it did natural muscles. There were no skin folds or creases that were visible while they were in their short sleeved shirts.

The female had a picturesque frame, no visible muscle mass, but no visible body fat, I would say about 14% body fat. For someone so thin, there were no muscles or bones showing. She had an hourglass shape but no defining features that would make her exceptional to remember.

The male also had a picturesque frame. He was tall and fit, with slightly wide shoulders, slightly muscular chest, low bodyfat as well i'd say about 14% too, but again no visible signs of anything under the skin like muscles, tendons, ligaments or anything, literally no vascularity.

I was at the bar and ordered a drink from the bartender. They both had drinks in their hands, but neither of them drank them or sipped on them the whole time, 4-5 minutes, that I observed them. It was more like the drinks were a facade to add to the look of being human/fitting in.

When they walked, it wasn't like they were walking through the room, it was more like a gliding through the room. There was no shock or vibrations that were visible through any of the parts of their body from the impact with the ground nor were there any offsets in their gait. It was literally like they were emulating walking, but never touching the ground.

At no point in time did they ever verbally communicate with each other or with anyone else. As I was observing them, with their eyes somewhat looking at each other and sometimes staring at the room as if the show that they came to see was humanity, and not the music itself, I got the sense that they were communicating with their minds and that they were not meant to be seen. I got the sense that seeing them and letting them know that I was observing them would put me into danger. Like some kind of primordial mechanism had kicked off in some kind of primitive part of my brain.

Then I heard some words that sounded like it was a voice being thrown across the room that came from them. It was a male voice that said, "I think that one can see us." The sound of the voice was kind of airy/etheric and the way the sound picked up in my ears was more like how bone conduction headphones works, but in a fidelity that is much higher.

The other thing that was strange about this whole experience was that I asked my wife about them when I was looking at them. I said, "do you see them over there?' She said, "Who?" I said, "You know those two extremely tall people who don't look real." She replied with, "where?" I said, "the two blonde people that look like they're models." She had no idea what I was talking about. It seemed like a forced unawareness/disinterest that i've seen happen in several of my shared anomalous experiences.

After the show I asked about it again and she said that she didn't remember me ever asking those questions or bringing it up.

tl;dr - went to a music show, saw some strangely beautiful people at the bar that seemed inhuman, some kinda psychic stuff, forced disinterest, no recall

Edit: I logged this as a strange experience and didn't really think much of it until Grusch described how beautiful one of the aliens he saw a picture of was. That's when it clicked for me.

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I know this is weird, but did anyone have a dream of trying to solve some type of mathematical/scientific equation?

I had a dream maybe 5-7 months ago. I was in front of a white board. I was there with someone else not sure if they were alien. They were waiting for me to solve the problwm. The equation took up the whole board. Finally, after hours and hours I figured it out. I was so proud and i woke up.

My family member had a similar dream. They said the solved the problem and woke up. They're dream was a week after mine.

I know Chris Bledsoe was healed from Crohns disease, but I'm wondering if they could heal physical damage? Has anyone had luck with contacting them and being healed when asked? And if so what was your process? Thanks