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Islamic scholars and the attraction to young boys

There is a documented and observable connection between the extreme forms of gender segregation practiced in a number of islamic societies and the sexual exploitation of boys by men. I had no idea how many classical islamic scholars addressed this issue that plagued past Muslim civilizations. To the point that even the scholars themselves struggled with this. Here are some troubling statements from Islam's great scholars:

- Sufyan al-Thawri saw a beardless young man and he said: "Take him out from here, because with every woman walks one demon (tempting people towards her) and with every boy walk ten demons." ["Tilbis Iblis", 1/338].

- Al-Najib ibn al-Suddi said: "A man should not spend the night in a house with beardless youths." ["Al Durr Al Manthur fi al Tafsir al Mathur"]

- Abu Saaib said: "On a worshipper, we fear the temptation of one boy more than we fear the temptation of seventy virgins." ["Dham al-Hawaa", 92].

- Al-Hassan ibn Zakwan said: "Don't sit with the children of the affluent, because their boys look like women and they are a bigger temptation than virgins." ["Shu'b al-Iman", 4/358].

- Bishr bin al-Haarith said: "Stay away from the youthful boys." ["Dham al-Hawaa", 94].

- About Imam Malik it is reported: "Imam Malik used to prevent beardless youth to enter his gatherings." ["Majmu al-Fatawa", 4/26].

- Imam al-Bayhaqi even made a chapter titled "What is narrated about [the prohibition of] looking at a beardless boy with lust."

- Ibn Muflih Hanbali quotes Ibn al-Jawzi as saying: "The pious predecesors used to say about the beardless boys: They are a greater temptation than virgins, so looking at them is a bigger temptation." ["Al-Furu", 5/113].

- Ibn Taymiyah said: "A beardless young man has the same ruling as a strange woman in many situations ... so it is not permissible to look at them with lust, and this is agreed upon." ["Al-Fatawa al-Kubra", 3/202].

- Al-Malibari said: "It is forbidden to shake hands with handsome beardless boys, as it is forbidden to look at them with lust." ["Fath", 3/263].

- About Imam Ahmad it is reported: "A man came to Imam Ahmad and with him was a handsome boy. Imam Ahmad asked: "who is this?" The man said: "This is my son." Imam Ahmad said: "Don't come with him again." ["Tabaqaat al-Hanabilah", 1/127]. According to other narrations, he said it because he feared that other people might not know its his son and would accuse him of carrying with him a boy for intimacy.

- Imam Nawawi ash-Shafi'ii said: "Similarly the scholars forbade a man to look at the face of a beardless youth if he is handsome, whether with or without desire, and whether it is free of fitnah (temptation) or there is the fear thereof. This is the correct view which was favoured by the scholars. This was stated by al-Shaafa’i and the prominent scholars of his madhhab (may Allaah have mercy on them). The evidence for this is that a beardless youth is, in some ways, like a woman; he may be desired as a woman is desired, and his form may be beautiful like that of a woman, and many of them may be more beautiful than many women. The prohibition applies more to them for another reason, which is that in their case there may result from attachment to them types of evil that do not occur in the case of women." ["Sharh Muslim", 4/31].

To top this all off, there are incidents throughout islamic history where scholarly figures have been embroiled in scandals with young boys. One of them had to do with Imam Al-Kisa'i, who was a master of Arabic grammar and one of the seven canonical authorities of Quranic recitation. Again, one of the flipping 7 Quranic recitations go through him, like Hafs and Asim. Apparently, a scribe came by Kisa'i's classroom and caught him in a compromised position with a young student. The student remained standing startled to which Kisa'i said to the visitor "The action fell upon him so he became erect/standing". And this was known among scholarly circles, even his greatest student, Al Duri, was questioned about Kisa'i's dirty habit but he deflected by emphasizing his precision in Quranic recitation, great knowledge of the arabic language and truthfulness in ahadith.

Another case is Yahya Ibn Aktham, an influential jurist, mujtahid (authoritative interpreter of Islamic religious law) and Chief Justice (High Judge) during the Abbasid Caliphate. He was notoriously dogged by accusation of attraction to young boys, to the extent that it became the subject of satire in Baghdad. There is the incident with Ibn Zaydan, a young scribe who used to write in Yahya ibn Aktham’s presence. The judge pinched his cheek, and the boy became embarrassed and ashamed and dropped the pen from his hand. Yahya then said to him, “Take the pen and write,” then dictated:

"O moon, I scratched you and you grew angry,

And in your pride you have turned away from me.

If you dislike scratching and biting,

Then, my master, remain forever veiled.

Do not display your temple-locks as a temptation to people,

Making of them scorpions above your cheeks;

For you kill a poor man, seduce a devotee,

And leave the judge of the Muslims tormented."

When these troubling reports concerning Yahya reached the Caliph al-Ma'mun, he wanted to test him. He set upon him a slave of extreme beauty, then went to eavesdrop on them. He heard Yahya say to him, “Were it not for you, we would have been believers.” a self-incriminating line where Yahya is essentially admitting that his desire for the slave is so overwhelming it undermines his own faith/piety. Al-Ma'mun then entered while reciting the two verses of Ibn Hakimah, Rashid ibn Ishaq the scribe:

"We had hoped to see justice manifest, But after hope, despair succeeded us." (Al Falaka Wa Al Maflukun)

And finally we have Ahmad Al Ghazali, the younger brother of Abu Hamid Al Ghazali (the famed islamic scholar and mujaddid). Ahmad was a scholar in his own right, as well as a preacher and a master of Sufi mysticism. He also had his own scandal which Ibn Al Jawzi documents in Talbis Iblis. Apparently, some visiting sufis once found Ahmad alone with a boy and roses laying between them, and he would look at the roses at one moment and at the boy at another moment. When they sat down, one of them said, “Perhaps we have disturbed you.” He replied, “Yes, by God.” Then the group cried out in a display of ecstasy

In another incident, someone wrote to Ahmad on a note: “You love your Turkish boy.” Ahmad read the note, then summoned the boy. He raised his gaze toward him, kissed him between the eyes, and said, “This is the answer to the note.”

Conclusion

The causal pathway is real in these high-control environments. When women are systematically removed from the social lives of men, some men redirect their sexual energy and frustration on the next most accessible subordinate males - prepubescent and adolescent boys. Beauty ideals shift towards youthful male features when female ones are veiled (niqab/hijab). As a result, boys can be dressed and treated as temporary “women", or even worse, they become a permanent viable option over women.

This was an open secret throughout much of Saudi society until MBS recently relaxed islamic rulings, and in Afghanistan, the Bacha bazi phenomenon is still alive and kicking, going back many generations. I think it's safe to say that Islam created terrible conditions via strict gender segregation rules that fueled the exploitation of young boys throughout the past 1400 years.

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u/An0n-xm — 1 day ago
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Islam had every chance to convince us with incredible proofs

There are a number of instances when Allah/Muhammad could have provided long lasting mind-boggling proofs in favor of Islam being the truth. Here are some missed opportunities.

The Moon Miracle

The Prophet Muhammad supposedly split the moon in half per a well known hadith (Bukhari 4864) that apparently only the Makkans were able to see. Muslims argue that this miracle was not for the Romans, Persians, Chinese or any other contemporary civilization. They say no one else saw it because people were asleep or there was excessive cloudy weather, and on and on. Pulling out every excuse they can possibly imagine.

The problem is that they end up insulting the intelligence of the creator. Why would an all knowing, wise God limit a global miracle to an obscure desert tribe of Arabs? Why handicap your miracle in such a manner?

A better miracle would be long lasting, wide-ranging and concrete. For example, stamping the visible surface of the moon with the Prophet Muhammad's seal for everyone in all times from that moment onward to see. Such an event would have been recorded by multiple civilizations across the planet, providing a corroborated report of a strange astronomical change that coincides with the timeline of Muhammad's prophethood. A celestial signature would significantly strengthen Muhammad's claim.

The Undying Holy Corpses

It is well known in islam that the bodies of Prophets do not decompose after death per a hadith in Sunan Abi Dawud 1531. Unfortunately, there are no ancient fresh holy bodies on display anywhere on earth. Considering the importance of humanity's guidance towards the straight path, Muhammad should've volunteered his corpse as proof for all times (or even better Allah should have commanded him). He shouldn't have been buried, rather his body should be on display (under high level security of course) throughout history.

And once we reached the age of science, Muslim rulers should be so confident in their faith that they would not refuse any requests of biological analysis of samples taken from his body. In fact, Muhammad's blood should be intact to the point his DNA could be crosschecked against his supposed descendants.

Or if Allah/Muhammad aren't comfortable with that idea, they could choose a number of the 124,000 prophets who have supposedly come and gone throughout human history. Muhammad could have commanded his companions to travel the earth (with Allah being their holy GPS system) to uncover the bodies of these Prophets in distant exotic lands, share this miracle with the locals there and establish the truth of islam on a global level, as opposed to violent conquests.

The real shocker though would have been to discover the body of Prophet Adam, who is a 90 foot tall giant (about the size of a 7 storey building) according to ahadith (Sahih Bukhari 3226). Adam is rumored to have been buried in Sri Lanka or the outskirts of Makkah, either way, this discovery would shake the world and certainly boost Muhammad's credibility.

The Imprisoned Jinn

In Sahih Bukhari 3423, Muhammad overpowered and captured a jinn, and intended to tie it to the pillar of the masjid for all his companions to see. However, he remembered how the jinns served his prophet-brother Sulayman and let this jinn go. How convenient.

The jinn are supposedly an intelligent race of non-human beings who live in an alternate reality on earth. Islamic tradition/folklore suggests they have extremely long lifespans (100s to 1000s of years in age), have superpowers and are technologically more advanced than humans. See Ibn Taymiyyah's recounting of jinn sharing technology with humans.

For as long as we can remember, the question of "are we alone" has occupied our minds. Side stepping the moral issue of imprisoning a non-human entity for distracting Muhammad from his prayer, this would have been a perfect opportunity to show humanity physical proof of that there are other forms of intelligent life. At the very least, the benefits derived from it's advanced knowledge would have benefited the Arabs the same way it benefited Prophet Sulayman. I mean the Arabs could have leapfrogged every other civilization technologically, medically and scientifically. I mean we're talking about wakanda on steroids. Heck, they could've colonized the solar system since jinn are well versed in space travel (considering stars are shot at them as missiles due to their celestial journeys).

The Regenerating Grapes

In Sahih Muslim 907a 2109, the Prophet had a real vision of Paradise during his prayer and reached for a cluster of grapes but conveniently changed his mind. He later tell his companions that if he had taken it, the people would have eaten from it for as long as the world remained. What a missed opportunity to share a regenerating otherworldly food source with the entire world.

Think about it, we are talking about an endless supply of fruit that could effectively solve regional or even world hunger if the proper distribution channels are established. Not to mention this would be hard evidence that every skeptical observer could examine, taste, measure, and watch regenerate. It would be an eternal miracle that outlasts any individual lifetime and directly verifies the existence of Paradise as described by Muhammad.

Who knows what kind of health benefits such a heavenly fruit would have on our bodies. Maybe these holy grapes could even cure diseases that even black seeds or zamzam water couldn't cure 😉. Billions of lives could have been saved throughout history, not to mention the impact on humanity's eternal salvation. Islam's global standing would be very high and such a miracle would surely sway the hearts of many doubtful disbelievers.

Conclusion

Any one of these miracles would certainly boost islam's credibility, and a combination of all 4 of these would absolutely make it the obvious choice of faith for many soul searching humans. Unfortunately, Allah decided to make whatever miracles he gave to Muhammad temporary and unconvincing to most of humanity. It seems Allah isn't concerned with saving the souls of humans. What a shame and wasted opportunity.

u/An0n-xm — 13 days ago

Muhammad's miracle cures - that actually don't cure anything.

Here are a bunch of bogus cures Muhammad shared with his companions (and by extension every sunni Muslim to ever exist):

BLACK SEED (BLACK CUMIN)

"This black cumin is healing for all diseases except As-Sam.' Aisha said, 'What is As-Sam?' He said, 'Death." [Bukhari (5687) and Muslim (2215)]

COW'S MILK

“Upon you is (to drink) cow’s milk for it eats from all kinds of plants and the milk is a cure for every disease.” [Mustadrak Hakim, vol. 4, pg 403 - Authentic by Ibn Hibban, Al Hakim and Dhahabi]

“Allah has sent down the cure for every disease and there is a cure for all types of diseases in cow’s milk.” [Mustadrak Hakim, vol. 4, pg. 196 - Authentic by Al Hakim and Dhahabi]

SENNA AND SANUT

"You should use senna (herbal plant) and sanut (cumin, dill or honey - scholars differ), for in them is healing from every disease except as-sam (which is death)" [Ibn Majah Vol. 4, Book 31, Hadith 3457 - Hasan per Darrusalam]

ZAMZAM WATER

"The best water on the face of the earth is Zamzam water. In it is food for nourishment and healing for sickness." [al-Mu’jam al-Kabīr 11011 - Hasan per Albani]

CUPPING ON SPECIFIC DAYS

"If anyone has himself cupped on the 17th, 19th and 21st it will be a remedy for every disease." [Sunan Abi Dawud 3861, book 28, hadith 3852 - Hasan per Albani]

AJWA DATES

"Whoever eats seven Ajwa dates in the morning, neither poison nor magic will harm him that day." [Sahih Bukhari: 5769, Sahih Muslim: 2047]

SHEEPS FATTY TAIL

"The cure for sciatica lies in the fat from the tail of a desert sheep, which should be melted and divided into three parts, one part to be drunk on an empty stomach each day." [Sunan Ibn Majah Vol. 4, Book 31, Hadith 3463 - Sahih per Darussalam]

INDIAN ALOES WOOD

"Apply this Indian aloes wood, for it contains seven cures, among them being a cure for pleurisy. It is applied through the nose for a swelling of the uvula poured into the side of the mouth for pleurisy." [Sunan Abi Dawud 3877, book 28, Hadith 3868 - Sahih per Al Albani]

CONCLUSION

Muhammad specifically said these are cures for every disease or for specific medical conditions/ailments. However, none of these things actually work. They don't cure any diseases like aids, diabetes, cancers, etc. There are no supporting studies or verified cases that suggest they work. Otherwise, we'd be living in a very different world. This is all nonsense that further exposes the falsehood of Muhammad.

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u/An0n-xm — 2 months ago
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Prophet Muhammad approved a mass beating on the wives within the muslim community.

A pretty self-explanatory hadith.

It was narrated that Iyas bin 'Abdullah bin Abu Dhubab said:

"The Prophet said: 'Do not beat the female slaves of Allah.' Then 'Umar came to the Prophet and said: 'O Messenger of Allah, the woman have become bold towards their husbands? So order the beating of them,' and they were beaten. Then many women went around to the family of Muhammad. The next day he said: 'Last night seventy women came to the family of Muhammad, each woman complaining about her husband. You will not find that those (men) are the best of you.' " (Ibn Majah 1985 / Sahih - Darussalam)

This hadith is an example of Muhammad's moral and leadership failure regarding domestic violence. He comes off as weak and reactive when under pressure by Umar and ultimately just caves into his demand. And then at the end of it, he issues a weak blame-shifting response. Just complete carelessness from the start and a lack of accountability on his part after the beatings.

He should've known how bad the beatings would be considering he is intimately aware of his men's violent inclinations. The way I see it, this was about appeasing his men because they are on the frontlines of war, invading, conquering, looting in his name (Allah’s name). Unfortunately, the women are on the back burner here.

As a reformer, Muhammad had every opportunity stand up to Umar and refuse the beating or to severely condemn the beatings or punish the abusers or offer systemic protections for women, but he didn't. He failed at every level, from beginning to end. He isn't a timeless perfect example for mankind, he's simply a product of a violent patriarchal society.

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u/An0n-xm — 3 months ago

A Companion of Muhammad Killed His Own Slave After He Tried to Escape.

In this narration, a companion killed his own slave after trying to run away.

Jarir used to narrate from the Prophet [SAW]:

"If a slave runs away, no Salah will be accepted from him, and if he dies he will die a disbeliever." A slave of Jarir's ran away, and he caught him and struck his neck (killing him). (Sunan an-Nasa'i 4050 - Vol. 5, Book 37, Hadith 4055)

Grade: Sahih (Darussalam)

The companion was not blamed or criticized for his actions as he was within his full right as the master to discipline him accordingly (in this case by death).

How can one argue for the mercy and justice islam brings when slaves are killed just for trying to chase a chance of freedom?

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u/An0n-xm — 3 months ago

There are a dozen verses that directly refer to the earth as being flat or flatlike. Here are 2 of the most explicit verses:

"And at the Earth, how it has been flattened?" (Quran 88:20)

"And after that He spread the earth" (Quran 79:30)

The tafsir also explicitly support this in a number of places.

Tafsir Al-Jalalayn states "{after that He spread out the earth}, He made it flat for it had been created before the heaven but without having been spread out".

In another place, Al-Jalalayn says: "As for His words sutihat (88:20) ‘laid out flat’ this on a literal reading suggests that the earth is flat which is the opinion of the scholars of the revealed Law and not a sphere as astronomers ahl al-hay’a have it even if this latter does not contradict any of the pillars of the Law."

Tafsir Ibn Samin Al Halabi says "The Almighty’s saying: {And the earth, how it has been flattened} it means it expanded and widened as his saying {And after that He spread the earth} I.e, it was spread after it was a ball"

Tafsir Al Qunawi says: “Although the author’s claim (that the Earth is round) is well meant, the claim that it is flat is more likely to be correct because it was the opinion of Ibn Abbas and Ibn Umar (may Allah be pleased with them) and the apparent interpretation of the verses {and the earth we have spread it} and {You will not see therein a depression or an elevation} and {And after that He spread the earth} indicate that it is flat. And Ibn Abbas and a multitude of scholars are more knowledgeable of the Arabic tongue and its subtleties, so it is no crime to lean towards the opinion of those who have understanding. And the claim of sphericity is that of the philosophers, and apparently the author (Al-Bayadi) it is following opinion of Imam al-Razi and is based on the rationalist arguments for sphericity in his tafsir. The author believes that claim and while there is nothing wrong with that it is safer to follow the opinion of the salaf.”

Ibn Abbas said in a lengthy narration in Tafsir Abdurazzaq: "He then created Nun (whale), then the earth was spread over it. When Nun stirred, the earth shook. He created the mountains to secure it, for indeed, they prevail over the earth."

Again, there are more verses and many more scholars like Tabari, Ibn Mujahid, Suddi, Thalabi, Ibn Attiyah, Shawkani, Qurtubi, and on and on who directly and/or indirectly affirm a flat earth per islamic texts.

The hadith also reinforce this view. This hadith mentions hellfire's gates blasting open when the sun is at its zenith. The problem is, the sun is always at its zenith somewhere on earth, meaning hellfire's gates are always blasting open. But why would the Prophet say this as if it's something that happens only once in the day at the zenith? Well, this only makes sense on the flat earth model:

https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:1252

Another hadith expresses a similar concept, the shaytan is accompanying the sun and then departing from it 3 times a day (at sunrise, zenith and sunset). Again, this only makes sense on a flat earth because on a round earth, this shaytan would be always stuck to the sun because it's always rising, at it's zenith or setting somewhere on earth:

https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:1253

And then there's the infamous hadith about Allah descending to the lowest heaven in the last 3rd of the night. Again, it's always the last 3rd of the night somewhere on earth so that means Allah should be perpetually stuck in the lowest heaven. In order for this hadith to make sense, we would have to accept the flat earth model:

https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6321

Now a number of scholars came to the realization that the earth is spherical after they were exposed to the works of Greek disbelieving scholars, which came about 300 years after Muhammad's death. Makes one wonder, why did it take Muslims receiving knowledge about this basic fact of reality from disbelievers instead of the creator of the universe? Why was it so hard for Allah to express himself clearly about the shape of the earth? When Islamic scholars started to shift their understanding, they started to cling onto one measly verse:

"He created the heavens and the earth for a purpose. He wraps the night around the day, and wraps the day around the night. And He has subjected the sun and the moon, each orbiting for an appointed term. He is truly the Almighty, Most Forgiving." (Quran 39:5)

The word used here is yukawwir which means to wrap (usually over a round object), which suggests it is wrapping over a round earth. However, this can he debunked in a few ways.

  1. The verse doesn't mention the earth anywhere, it only says the night is wrapped around the day and vice versa. It's simply describing the cyclical pattern within the 24 hours of a day. Other verses describe this same changing of the guard between night and day like in (39:5), (22:61), (31:29), (35:13), (7:54), (13:3) so this verse simply falls in line with them.
  2. Even if one were to be generous, this could be interpreted as the night or day wrapping over the physical dome (sky/heaven) supported by invisible pillars over the flat earth. The Quran often describes the sky as a protective ceiling/canopy/roof and many scholars like Iyas ibn Muawiyah, Hasan al Basri, Qatadah and others interpreted this as a physical dome.
  3. If you take this verse literally to describe a round earth then you are suggesting the night and day are physical entities that physically wrap/merge/enter each other. As a result, they are akin to physical veils of darkness and light. Now this is opening a can of worms. A figurative interpretation is a safer bet as it uses the action of wraping/merging/entering in a metaphorical way that protects it from this criticism. Unfortunately, Muslims can no longer use this as proof of a round earth since it's now understood figuratively.
u/An0n-xm — 4 months ago