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Image 1 — If Hephaestus is so ugly, how did he pull two bad bitches? 🤔
Image 2 — If Hephaestus is so ugly, how did he pull two bad bitches? 🤔
Image 3 — If Hephaestus is so ugly, how did he pull two bad bitches? 🤔
Image 4 — If Hephaestus is so ugly, how did he pull two bad bitches? 🤔

If Hephaestus is so ugly, how did he pull two bad bitches? 🤔

Art credit to u/hera_hell_art

In the Argonautica (and the Aeneid, which is more Roman than Greek), Hephaestus was happily married to Aphrodite. In the Iliad, after his divorce, he married Kharis/Aglaia. And in Lucian's Dialogues of the Gods he was in a relationship with BOTH of them at the same time! What a chad. He's Hera's boy, of course he'd be a chick magnet

^(Yes, I know he wasn't ugly, just disabled. People who call him ugly are ignorant at best and ableist at worst)

(I added the Eros art for u/TheSuperBunny )

u/AnthoHeraFan — 3 days ago

"Hera and Hephaestus hated each other!!" Hera and Hephaestus in the Iliad:

I know people love to simplify the relationship between Hera and Hephaestus (which can be said about every relationship between the Greek gods), but it's more complex and much more positive than many people realize. Hephaestus was protectice of Hera and comforted her, and Hera openly showed her affection towards Hephaestus, and acknowledged his strength. Funnily enough, many Greek myth "fans" claim Ares was the protective momma's boy, which he was NOT. At least, until his syncretism with Mars in Rome.

Yes, Hera threw newborn Hephaestus from Olympus, because he was born disabled (which reflected the horrific practive of abandoning disabled or weak babies in antiquity), but when he came back to Olympus, they made amends. People are really allergic to the idea of giving someone a second chance I guess.

Homer also notes the contradicting story, where Hephaestus became disabled in his adulthood while he protected Hera from Zeus himself, who crashed out after Hera tried to kill Heracles. Pseudo-Apollodorus centuries later elaborated these are two different myths (even if Homer lowkey made it sound like Hepheastus was thrown TWICE, which is lowkey funny in a morbid way). No matter the version, their relationship wasn't as bad as people on the internet claim it to be.

Art credits to glorious u/hera_hell_art <3

^(Also, Fagles' translation having Hera call Hephaestus her blazing boy is so adorable (⁠・ั⁠ω⁠・ั⁠))

u/AnthoHeraFan — 4 days ago

I support womens rights AND wrongs!!

Shitty meme I made after seeing a Persades shipper coping about Adonis myth. Just let my baby girl be a creep like her dad and uncle-husband 🙄

u/AnthoHeraFan — 13 days ago

Gods who protected women

I've seen "Ares was the protector of women" claims so often that, out of pure spite, I decided to research if other gods did a similar thing to what Ares did, and the answer is positive! Yet no one calls these gods feminist protectors of women. I've made a little list of such instances, where a god either protect a woman from rape or avenges her

Ares

We've all heard about the loser #2 avenging his daughter's rape, and while it's kinda based, it wasn't anything unique, but it's good to start with

>Agraulos [daughter of Kekrops king of Athens] and Ares had a daughter Alkippe. As Halirrhothios, son of Poseidon and a nymphe named Eurtye, was trying to rape Alkippe, Ares caught him at it and slew him. Poseidon had Ares tried on the Areopagos with the twelve gods presiding. Ares was acquitted.

- Apollodorus' Bibliotheca 3.180

>There is a spring [near the Akropolis, Athens], by which they say that Poseidon's son Halirrhothios deflowered Alkippe the daughter of Ares, who killed the ravisher and was the first to be put on his trial for the shedding of blood.

- Pausanias' Description of Greece 1.21.4

Apollo

>Tityos (Tityus) saw Leto when she came to Pytho and in a fit of passion tried to embrace her. But she called out to her children, who shot him dead with arrows. He is being punished even in death, for vultures feast on his heart in Hades' realm.

- Apollodorus' Biblioteca 1.23

>As lay Tityos (Tityus), who sought to force Queen Leto, when she fared to Pytho : swiftly in his wrath Apollon shot, and laid him low, who seemed invincible : in a foul lake of gore there lay he, covering many a rood of ground, on the broad earth, his mother; and she moaned over her son, of blessed Gods abhorred; but Lady Leto laughed.

- Quintus Smyrnaeus's Fall of Troy 3.390

Poseidon

>Poseidon, the myth continues, when he had grown to manhood, became enamoured of Halia, the sister of the Telchines, and lying with her he begat six male children and one daughter, called Rhodos, after whom the island was named. (...) Aphroditê, they say, as she was journeying from Cytherae to Cyprus and dropped anchor near Rhodes, was prevented from stopping there by the sons of Poseidon, who were arrogant and insolent men; whereupon the goddess, in her wrath, brought a madness upon them, and they lay with their mother against her will and committed many acts of violence upon the natives. But when Poseidon learned of what had happened he buried his sons beneath the earth, because of their shameful deed, and men called them the "Eastern Demons"; and Halia cast herself into the sea, and she was afterwards given the name of Leucothea and attained to immortal honour in the eyes of the natives.

Diodorus Siculus' Library of History 5.55

>When Amymone, daughter of Danaus, was eagerly hunting in the woods, she struck a satyr with her dart. He wanted to ravish her, but she begged the aid of Neptune. When Neptune came there, he drove away the satyr, and lay with her himself. From this embrace Nauplius was born. At the place where this occurred, Neptune is said to have struck the earth with his trident. Water flowed out, called the Fountain of Lerna and the Amymonian River.

>Amymone, daughter of Danaus, was sent by her father to get water for performing sacred rites. While hunting for it, she grew weary and fell asleep. A satyr tried to seduce her, but she implored the help of Neptune. When Neptune had hurled his trident at the satyr, it became fixed in a rock. Neptune drove off the satyr. When he asked the girl what she was doing in this lonely place she said she had been sent by her father to get water. Neptune lay with her, and in return he did her a favour, bidding her draw out his trident from the rock. She drew it out and three streams of water flowed, which were called the Amymonian Spring from her name. From the embrace Nauplius was born. The fountain, however, later was called the Fountain of Lerna.

Hyginus' Fabulae 169 and 169A (Idk why he wrote about her twice like that. I know these accounts are a little different, but still)

Dionysus

>As Butes and his companions rushed at the women, these threw away the sacred objects, and some of them fled for safety to the sea, and others to the mountain called Dius; but Coronis, the myth continues, was seized by Butes and forced to lie with him. And she, in anger at the seizure and at the insolent treatment she had received, called upon Dionysus to lend her his aid. And the god struck Butes with madness, because of which he lost his mind and, throwing himself into a well, met his death

Diodorus Siculus' Library of History 5.50

Zeus

Lo and behold! THE rapist of the Greek and Greco-Roman pantheon, hated by every Ares and Hades glazer, has the most myths where he rapes someone, but also he has the most myths where he's pretty anti-rape

>Because Latona [Leto] had lain with Jove [Zeus], Juno [Hera] ordered Tityus, a creature of immense size, to offer violence to her. When he tried to do this he was slain by the thunderbolt of Jove. He is said to lie stretched out over nine acres in the Land of the Dead, and a serpent is put near him to eat out his liver, which grows again with the new moon.

Hyginus's Fabulae 55

>Ixion fell in love with Hera and tried to rape her, and when Hera told Zeus about it, Zeus wanted to determine if her report was really true. So he fashioned a cloud to look like Hera, and laid it by Ixion's side. When Ixion bragged that he had slept with Hera, Zeus punished him by tying him to a wheel, on which he was turned by winds up in the air

Apollodorus' Bibliotheca E1.20

>In the course of the battle [of gods and giants] Porphyrion rushed against Herakles and also Hera. Zeus instilled him with a passion for Hera, and when he tore her gown and wanted to rape her, she called for help, whereat Zeus hit him with a thunderbolt and Herakles slew him with an arrow.

Apollodorus' Bibliotheca 1.36 (personally I consider this one a dick move, but I know Zeus wouldn't actually allow Hera to be raped, but c'mon. I assume it was his way to make Hera like Heracles? Anyway, I'm still putting this on the list)

>When Hera was being raised by her parents, one of the Giants, Eurymedon, raped her and made her pregnant. She gave birth to Prometheus. Zeus later married his sister [Hera], and when he found out what had happened, he threw Eurymedon into Tartaros, and hung Prometheus up in chains (he used the fire as a pretext)"

D scholia on the Iliad 14:295, attributed to Eustathius (personally one of my fav myths about these two, I adore protective Zeus)

>When Pleione once was travelling through Boeotia with her daughters [the Pleiades], Orion, who was accompanying her, tried to attack her. She escaped, but Orion sought her for seven years and couldn't find her. Jove [Zeus], pitying the girls, appointed a way to the stars, and later, by some astronomers, they were called the Bull's tail. And so up to this time Orion seems to be following them as they flee towards the west.

Hyginus' Astronomica 2.21

>Daphne, seeing Apollon advancing upon her, took vigorously to flight; then, as he pursued her, she implored Zeus that she might be translated away from mortal sight, and she is supposed to have become the bay tree which is called daphne after her.

Parthenius' Love Romances 15

There is apparently the Servius' commentary where Zeus striked Adonis with a thunderbolt for raping Erinoma (who was loved by Zeus), but finding any translation for the things Servius wrote is a pain in the ass. And there is also the fact that Zeus allows Hestia, Artemis and Athena to remain virgins if they want, which is pretty nice, but I don't know if it counts.

Does all this stuff makes Zeus the protector of women then?? Is Zeus the feminist king? Or does it simply mean men protecting "their" women (mothers, sisters, daughters, wives, or worshippers in the case of the gods) from other men, while not caring about stranger women, was a normalized thing in such patriarchal societies?

Tldr: Ares, my beloved loser, wasn't a feminist or some special, uniquely progressive god. Ares glazers just don't care about the actual mythology and the historical context. Also, the Mommy of all Mommies Hera was the actual protector of women <3 (but I guess Ares glazers don't really care about women, considering how often they talk shit about every goddess, this lowkey seems like some misogynistic bias)

^(Ps I made this post on mobile, so it may look messy lol)

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u/AnthoHeraFan — 15 days ago

Persades shippers read the actual sources challenge

I can't even search my Queen Mommy with her husband. This shitty "joke" doesn't even make sense! (⁠ノ⁠`⁠Д⁠´⁠)⁠ノ⁠彡⁠┻⁠━⁠┻

u/AnthoHeraFan — 23 days ago
▲ 176 r/okbuddyolympian+1 crossposts

The one time I prefer a Roman/Italic god over their Greek equivalent

If you say Hestia bestia is wholesome, shut the fuck up. Kinky Vesta my beloved

u/AnthoHeraFan — 23 days ago

"Helen can be black if you want!" "No, she should have pale skin, blond hair and blue eyes!!" Wrong. Birdifying your Helen

Ths only valid design for ANY adaptation, fight me. Idk if she's a swan, but she's a white bird, close enough.

u/AnthoHeraFan — 23 days ago

The greatest weakness of the god of war and bloodshed:

Ares is such a loser at times, I love him. Sadly, most people who like Ares are delusional, claiming he was the protector of women (my QUEEN mommy of all mommies Hera is the actual protector of women!!)

u/AnthoHeraFan — 29 days ago

If Odysseus is so loyal to Penelope why did he let Agamemnon, Menelaus and Diomedes blow his back out?

There's no way no Achean warriors, including the kings, didn't explore each other's bodies during the war lasting 10 years. There are things you can't do with a slave woman, and even Homer simped for Odysseus and his glorious thighs. Odysseus would let his homies hit, to keep morale high

Credits to blended-ice (reddit really hates nudity, even non sexual nudity)

simping for a man is so rare on this sub lmao

u/AnthoHeraFan — 1 month ago

First part of the Homeric Hymn to Demeter

Before Demeter starves humanity with summer/winter (depending on who you ask), a lot of stuff happens, with Zeus being surprisingly absent. He was too busy being pegged by his wife to notice his daughter getting kidnapped /j

I wish I was pegged by Hera

u/AnthoHeraFan — 1 month ago

Leda was into swan!Zeus, and I won't get over this

Many ancient Greek and Roman paintings and sculptures (which I won't show for obvious reasons) depicted this scenerio as erotic, with Leda being clearly into it. Leda liking swans too much later inspired the Renaissance artists. Idk if this is meant to be symbolic, or was just seen as a kink.

Why the women who consensually slept with Zeus (Hera, Leda, Semele, Eurymedusa, arguably Danaë) were always freaks? 😭

u/AnthoHeraFan — 1 month ago

Patrochilles shippers when I tell them there's no proof of Achilles or Patroclus liking men in the Iliad

Aside from Aeschylus' lost play and Plato's yapping, there's no ancient source interpreting their relationship as romantic or sexual. I do like this ship, but most Patrochilles shippers are as annoying as Persades bitches.

Funnily enough, Patrochilles ahippers tend to hate this stinky homophobic Agamemnon who hated innocest uwu gay boi Achilles, meanwhile Agamemnon was the one who liked men lmao

u/AnthoHeraFan — 1 month ago

If I courted Hermes, would Hera strike me if she decided I don't deserve her favourite step-son?

Credits to Ximena Natzel and Pimpichc :3

u/AnthoHeraFan — 1 month ago

Ovid haters reading Euripides

I've said it many times, and I'll say it again. Euripides was everything Ovid haters claim Ovid was. Depicting the gods in bad light? Check. Critical of authority and adding politics to the myths? Check. Depicting poor Odysseus as a pos? Check. Satirizing other mythical themed works? Check.

I just get annoyed everytime I see people disregarding Ovid's works, just because it was "political", I cringe so hard. Many poems and plays based on myths had political connotations, before and after Ovid. The Iliad had anti-war themes. Aeschylus promoted Athenian legal system in the Oresteia. Amazons were inspired by "barbarians" Greeks hated. Dionysiaca's depiction of Indian war was influenced by Alexander the Great Alexandering all over the place. Hell, ancient religious cults, just like religions nowdays, were impacted by politics and vice versa. Saying you don't think the gods are real, or openly offending them, would put you in legal trouble in Greek polis and Rome.

And I genuinely don't see much political themes in most of the Metamorphoses, especially with Medusa's story being more up to interpretation (imo). And I can't ignore this book, because it gave us so many good poems, like Ianthe and Iphys, alternative kidnapping of Persephone/Proserpina, Perseus loving Andromeda, tragic love of Orpheus and Eurydice, Pygmalion and Galatea, Atalanta loving Hippomenes for being a twink, Hyacinthus and Apollo, and even Arachne's story which got horribly misundertood nowdays.

I swear this is the last time I post about Ovid. And I didn't read Fasti yet.

u/AnthoHeraFan — 1 month ago

Ovid bad

Something that often annoys me when I discuss Greek myths with others, is claiming something is "just Roman myth/fanfic", because it was written down by a pesky Roman author. It completely ignores polytheistic syncretism and, if we have to disregard ALL syncretism, we have to disregard the great flood sent by Zeus, myth of Persephone and Aphrodite fighting over Adonis, myth of Iphis and Ianthe, or even the whole figure of Aphrodite. Syncretism happened in all mythologies and religions, and we can't simply just seperate them. There's no one true canon myth.

Another thing muddling the waters of this weird diacourse is ignoring Greeks who lived in Roman Republic and Empire. We had Plutarch, Pausanias, pseudo-Apollodorus, Statius (who wrote in LATIN), culturally Greek Syrian Lucian and others. Heck, there were not-Greek authors writing about Greek myths, like Aelian or pseudo-Hyginus. Are their works unimportant sources that are "just Roman"?

I just get annoyed everytime someone decides to ignore Ovid's Metamorphoses, because It'S rOmAn. Of course people disregarding Ovid's Medusa or even Arachne, still accept tragic love of Eurydice and Orpheus, Echo harassing Narcissus or Circe turning Scylla into a monster as part of Greek mythology lmao.

TLDR: there's no clear cut line between Roman and Greek mythologies, syncretism is wild, and if you want truly "exlusively Roman" myths you have stories about 7 kings of Roman Kingdom, hearth dicks impregnating Vestal Virgins, anything related to Janus or the Aeneid (which was STILL inspired by Greek literature and myths).

Ovid's Medusa still sucks ass though

u/AnthoHeraFan — 1 month ago

Is there a well known myth you don't like?

By well known myth, I mean a myth that every "surface-level" so called myth fan knows, after reading Hesiod, Homer or Ovid, or just Wikipedia pages and Theoi referencing these authors. Not something you can find only in some scholia, Servius' commentary, Vatican Mythographers etc.

Personally I don't like Hephaestus being son of Hera alone, I prefer him being son of Hera and Zeus. Also, Ovid's backstory for Medusa. Not because it's "actually just Roman", but because it was overdone by popculture, and spawned weird, pseudo-feminist hate on Athena

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u/AnthoHeraFan — 2 months ago