u/Appropriate_Lock_603

Pushing past the "average" in RP, abliterated models, and getting real depth

Hey everyone,

We all know the core problem by now. By default these models drift toward the mean. They play it safe, smooth everything out, and you get that flat, generic house style no matter what character you run.

We jailbreak them, and it works, but only up to a point. The ceiling is still there. Part of it is that the base models just aren't built for RP. The labs optimized them toward coding and assistant tasks, that's the vector the companies pushed, so creative writing is basically an afterthought.

And here's the thing I keep coming back to. Coding is a measurable domain. Code is either right or wrong, it runs or it doesn't, so the labs can train and benchmark it to death. Writing isn't like that. There's no objective score for a good sentence, no unit test for "this made me feel something." Quality in prose is real but you can't measure it directly, so the models never get properly optimized for it. They optimize what they can measure, and writing gets left behind.

Recently I heard huihui took Gemma 4 12B apart and stripped out the guardrails to remove the barriers. Has anyone actually tried it for RP? Curious how it holds up on character consistency and prose quality, and whether removing those barriers frees up the writing or just makes it messier.

Second question, the one I really care about. How do you get a model to think deeper? Not just unfiltered, but actually understanding a sense of style, the rhythm of good writing, and real humor, not the canned kind. Is this a model thing, a sampler thing, a prompting thing, fine-tuning, or some mix? What's actually moved the needle for you?

Would love to hear from people who've gotten genuinely good output, not just less filtered output.

Thanks

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u/Appropriate_Lock_603 — 2 months ago

What happened to Claude?

Guys, I knew Anthropic had hired one of the former OpenAI safety people, but today I finally got access to Claude Sonnet 4.6 and I'm honestly surprised.

It feels way more restricted than previous Claude models. A lot of the flexibility and creativity that made Claude great for writing seems to be gone. Maybe it's just my impression, but it genuinely feels like the model has been heavily nerfed.

Am I the only one who feels this way? Has anyone found a workaround or settings that improve the experience?

The frustrating part is that there still aren't many models that can consistently compete with Claude when it comes to prose and creative writing, so seeing it move in this direction is disappointing.

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u/Appropriate_Lock_603 — 2 months ago