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r MensRights are a controlled opposition sub. Just see how they remove our petition against a feminist's game on Steam called "Femme Fatality", a game that idealizes murdering men.
https://www.change.org/p/calling-on-visa-to-deny-femme-fatality-payment-processing
While a few good commenters also wanted the feminist game banned are barely got any upvotes, many passive lay-downs objected to the petition and sadly got many upvotes. The lay-downs just raise their dead-end thought terminating clichés and other reasons not to care. Here are my counter-replies.
like "Don't use censorship, let the game come out and flop"
So first: feminists make flop after flop after flop, and they still keep on making them, and they still keep on dominating the games and entertainment industry. If they get away with this, it will just embolden them. They don't care about making money. They just want to spew their hateful message, period.
or "Don't use payment processors as censorship, we're fucking with the fundamentals of our economic system"
So secondly: feminists have already fucked up the economic system with their payment processor cancellations ordered by Collective Shout. So what you want us to do is just take the abuse, let them censor us and ban our games, then let them practice hate speech against us, and then we don't retaliate.
Paradoxically the best chance you've got to end this payment process abuse is to use it against the feminists, and then you can go "look, if you don't use it against us, we won't use it against you." That's your best chance, but you're not even prepared to do that.
or "I care more about free speech than trying to ban some stupid video game. Let them play it. Banning stuff because you're offended is part of the feminist playbook, not ours."
So thirdly: The thread got censored and removed. Why aren't you going to the mods of MensRights and complaining about their censorship, you hypocritical cretins? Clearly none of you care about the censorship against us.
or "When your enemy is making a mistake, do not interrupt!"
So forth: Our enemies aren't making a mistake. Nothing will backfire on them. Notice they've been "making this mistake" of spreading manhate for 60 years now, when Valerie Solanas wrote the SCUM manifesto in the 1960s, and got praised by all the most important feminists of the time, and they're still not facing repercussions yet. Thinking they're making a mistake that will backfire any day now, that's just stupid cope and MGTOW-type passivism.
You guys even have the "misandry bubble", a blog post made in 2011 by a right-wing libertarian, who said misandry is a bubble that would burst by 2014 and everything would self-correct. This clearly hasn't happened has it? It clearly won't happen. Misandry is worse than ever now.
or "Looks like shovelware. Not worth the time"
So fifth: this is just arguing the quality of the game, which is beside the point you muppet. So if this misandrist game was a high-quality polished AAA game, would it be different then? What point are you even making?
There was a low-quality shovel ware game on Stream greenlight in 2015, where you had to kill gays and transpeople, and that got swiftly removed by Valve. That got taken seriously. Are we not allowed to take misandry from shovelware seriously?
"I got into mens rights through gamer gate. I was in game design school at the time. I don't like the idea to shut down games because of "what is represents". I didn't like it back when feminists tried to do it and I don't like it now..."
Yeah okay. So you're just a loser then, and GamerGate is a failed movement that achieved nothing.
"We don't even know what the message of this game is, only the premise,"
The message is obvious from the store page, it's about killing men.
"Killing men is VERY common in videogames. And in other media like films as well."
Well you realize there's levels to this, right? We're talking about censoring a game that is hate propaganda targeted against men, not just any violent action game where men die.
"It would be better to wait for the demo to come out, collect clear instances of blatant hate speech, and then present them."
Okay, so you wait for the hate crime to happen, which is fail. You pre-emptively tackle the hate crime instead.
Also the problem with this sort of hate speech is it's hidden behind sarcasm and irony, so the hateful message gets through while shielded with plausible deniability.
"I literally could not care less. I don't have to be a whiny snowflake to believe in men's rights. If people want to make dumb games let them. You literally sound just like the feminists."
Anyone who pulls "you're just like the feminists" end up behaving like feminists themselves, the argument is pure projection. He's ironically acting like a whiny snowflake against our petition to censor a feminist hate propaganda game. Enough said here.
"There needs to be some pushback, a change dot org petition is not the way though. Better pester Valve directly..."
Are you dense? You use the petition to galvanize people AND pester Valve. It's not an either/or case here. You're so weird, shooting down every little tactic. This is why men's rights gets nowhere.
"Just forget about it, there's a billion trash Steam games that receive no attention and this will be one of them if nobody panics. Also not gonna lie but there are a bunch of low quality games about just killing women, have been for years."
This is just a lie. The idea that there's a flood of games about killing women is completely made up.
"Let some traumatised hoe make her revenge fantasy game. It's not going to radicalise anyone and anyone who buys and plays it already hates men anyway."
Their hatred shouldn't be validated on the market you nitwit, and you're a delusional misandrist yourself.
These are not "hoes who have been traumatised", women don't get traumatised into hatred, no men damaged these women. "Who damaged these women" is such a misandrist trope. You're an unthinking muppet if you assume it's real. Feminist manhaters don't need to be damaged or hurt by men, they are just narcissistic bullies.
Also I guess we should give up on anti-racist laws by your logic then, since "anyone who attends a Nazi rally already hates brown immigrants anyway." The point of such laws isn't to change the minds of Nazis so they're no longer racist, they're to suppress them and deny them freedom to do harm to other. We are applying the same principle here against feminsts.
I'm done explaining myself here. You have dumb and hopeless libertarians and GamerGaters running the men's rights space. Not only do they not want to take action, they want to cockblock others who talk about action as well.
They don't want to run any economic or censorship costs on feminists, which not only would be deserved on them, it would be true honest activism. They just block any desire for real activism for the sake of their worthless and abstract free market, free speech, artistic freedom absolutist principles, which have not protected men's rights at all and have delivered nothing.
Their poisonous mindset holds men's rights back and is why feminist censorship and hate of men is allowed to unchecked and get worse every year.
And to top it all off, their space censors us, so they're hypocrites.