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The Eye of Horus and Isaac’s Mechanical Heart

The Eye of Horus and Isaac’s Mechanical Heart

While watching The Tale of the Skull Tree, I noticed two little things. The first is that, once again, we have this whole eye thing (https://www.reddit.com/r/Wednesday/s/AAjVMvRW1i)... and in this story, it’s the left eye. The story says that, if you listen closely around the left eye of the Skull Tree, you can hear the ticking of the mechanical heart.

The second thing is that when Isaac draws the model of the heart, we can see him writing the proportions as fractions. Why is that interesting? Because of the Eye of Horus. For those who read my last post, I also talked about the Eye of Horus. In Egyptian mythology, it’s an eye that was magically restored. According to a traditional interpretation, each part represents a fraction BUT the funny little detail is this: if you add up all the fractions of the eye, you don’t get 1. There’s still a tiny part missing, traditionally attributed to magic, that makes the eye truly whole.

With Isaac’s mechanical heart, we don’t have that problem. The proportions are 1/5, 2/5 and 2/5, which add up to 1. And yet, even though his heart works, the story clearly tells us that his soul changed, that he became cold and calculating, so... maybe what’s missing is the magic that ultimately binds everything together and preserves... the soul? Anyway, that was my little observation of the day. 😉👀

P.S. When the tower explodes, we see two ravens flying away.... Symbolism for Morticia and Gomez? Two ravens that have actually been watching the whole story since the beginning, for centuries?? Or did the ravens just get scared by all that noise? 😉 Idk, and you?

u/BeMe777 — 12 days ago

The Clouded Eye: A Recurring Motif... Part 2 👁️

I couldn’t help myself... 👀😉😂

We can’t see her left eye..... And those look like stone walls.....That’s definitely not her room... Could those be the walls of Hester’s basement?

Maybe she’s become one-eyed? and imprisoned too?... IDK.🧐😉😂

u/BeMe777 — 15 days ago

The Clouded Eye, a Recurring Motif: Easter Egg... or the Eye of the Puppet Master? 👁️

Okay, I’m not the only one who’s noticed this, but whether it’s in the opening credits or in the show itself (seasons 1 and 2), the eye, and more specifically the right eye, shows up A LOT. The motif is so repetitive that a simple coincidence honestly feels like... well, not really a coincidence. So obviously I started looking into the symbolism of the eye, and the right eye in particular. And then, of course, I ended up in mythology.... soooo, because I can’t be bothered to write a whole essay right now (yes, it happens 😉), long story short, a few things in particular caught my attention.

First, Odin. Probably the most obvious one, he sacrifices an eye in exchange for wisdom and a greater form of knowledge and vision. Basically, losing an eye in order to see more. We don’t actually know whether it was his right or left eye, although he’s often represented with the left one missing. And, obviously... Odin and his Ravens. That echoes quite a few things in the show 😉😂

Then there’s Tiresias. There are several versions of his story, but in one of them, he loses his sight because he sees something he wasn’t supposed to see. His mother begs Athena to restore it, but she can’t. So instead, she gives him something else, prophecy. He loses ordinary sight and gains the ability to see what others can’t. Oh, and in that same version? He can understand birds. Yeah... like an Avian, maybe? 👀😂

So once again, we get basically the same idea, losing physical sight in exchange for another kind of sight.

And then there’s Egyptian mythology. The right eye can be associated with Ra and the Sun, while the left can be associated with Horus and the Moon. More specifically, Horus’s lunar eye is wounded and then restored, becoming a symbol of healing, restoration and wholeness, with a connection to death and the afterlife as well.

And if all those images really are pointing toward the right eye being lost or sacrificed... then what remains?.... The left eye, the Moon, restoration and, interestingly enough... a connection to death and the afterlife.

And then I remembered something else, the Codex Umbrarum. More specifically, u/ElvenQueen726 ’s translation of some of the Latin visible in it. Something like: “The dove’s powers must be sought, willingly surrendered to the short blade.”.... Yeah. You see where my brain went. 😂👀

Because if the recurring eye imagery really is about sacrificing physical sight in exchange for another kind of sight, and the Codex seems to be talking about a Dove willingly surrendering her powers to a blade, then I can’t help wondering, what if a Raven had to sacrifice the eye of a Dove in order to ....see more? Or maybe not even to become more powerful. And actually, maybe I’m being too specific with the Dove. What if it doesn’t necessarily have to be the eye of a Dove at all? What if it has to be the eye of an opposite, a counterpart, someone who somehow balances the Raven? Remember the vision of Enid with the bloody right eye? 👀

And then there’s something else that makes this even weirder. Varicose and Lurch both have an injured, clouded right eye. And both of them are connected to families where there are... Ravens. So what if the bond connecting Varicose to the Frumps, and Lurch to the Addamses, is actually much deeper than we think? In fact, they’re the protagonists of the season 3 teaser.

But maybe I’ve been looking at this the wrong way. What if we’re supposed to take “losing an eye in order to see more” much more literally? What if the clouded eye isn’t simply the mark left by a sacrifice? What if it’s a door? An eye through which whoever created that bond can still see.

Because then Lurch and Varicose become pretty interesting, don’t they? Both have a clouded right eye, both are attached to families with Ravens, and both are in a perfect position to see what is happening inside the Addams and Frump families.

So what if those clouded eyes belong, in a way, to someone else? Someone who can see through them, observe everything and maybe even pull the strings from somewhere we can’t see yet?

What if they are the eyes of the Puppet Master? And if that’s the case... who exactly is on the other side?

P.S. Next time you watch the opening credits, pay close attention to the gate... The raven on the left literally winks at us. Coincidence? IDK, but... I’ve got my eye on you. 😂

u/BeMe777 — 15 days ago
▲ 8 r/weyler

0 for Open String?

You know we’ve been theorizing quite a bit about the O/0 on Tyler’s invitation card in the Season 3 teaser. And lately, we’ve also been talking about music and the symbolism connected to it (u/ElvenQueen726 and me https://www.reddit.com/r/Wednesday/s/fKOXXBrbOK).

And then I remembered something. In music (for string instruments, at least) when you play the sound of the string itself, without putting a finger down on it to produce a different note, it’s called playing an open string.

The sound is quite distinctive. It often sounds brighter, more open and more resonant because the string is allowed to vibrate freely. And in sheet music, a "0" can be used to indicate that the note should be played on an open string, in other words, without a finger pressing down on it.

Anyway… it made me think of Tyler’s invitation card. What if the 0 has something to do with an open string?

An open string is allowed to vibrate freely and produce its own note. No finger pressing down on it, no outside pressure forcing it to produce a different sound.

And maybe that’s the point with Tyler too.

No master. No one applying pressure anymore. No one else deciding what "note" he should play.

Maybe the 0 symbolizes that we’re finally going to hear and see the real Tyler. Not the version of him shaped by a master, but Tyler on his own, finally free to express himself.

Just his own voice.

What do you think?

u/BeMe777 — 29 days ago
▲ 21 r/weyler

Recurring motifs in the series: Will Wednesday run alone through the woods again? And who will she be trying to save this time?

The series loves playing with recurring motifs, more specifically, scenes that repeat themselves with slight variations.

We can even see certain scenes playing out again across generations: The black tears with Ophelia and then Wednesday, Morticia cutting off Isaac’s hand to save Gomez, and Wednesday cutting Tyler’s restraints to save… cough cough… her brother. 😏...

And, as you know, I’ve already talked about my theory that time itself might be cyclical in the series, like a spiral. (https://www.reddit.com/r/Wednesday/s/DqY3J9Qhsq).

All of this brings me to one particularly specific scene that we’ve now seen in both Seasons 1 and 2: Wednesday, still dressed for a formal event, running alone through the woods under the moonlight. I know this parallel has already been pointed out before, but I find the similarities, and especially the cyclical pattern at play in this scene, really interesting.

In Season 1, she was running to save Eugene, her friend, after seeing his impending attack in a vision. But she arrived too late he had already been attacked.

In Season 2, she was running to save her brother. This time, there was no vision, just logical deduction. But once again, she arrived too late: Pugsley had already been kidnapped.

So, in both cases, Wednesday is running alone through the woods, trying to save a boy she holds dear to her heart and each time, she gets there too late. But there’s something else I find interesting: the relationship is becoming increasingly intimate.

First, a friend.

Then, her brother.

So… you can probably see where I’m going with this. 😉 If the pattern continues, it would only make sense for Season 3 to be a lover. And this time, could the boy she’s running through the woods to find be Tyler? And once again… will she get there too late?

What do you think? Personally, I can’t wait to see that scene. 😉

P.S. If there’s a dance in Season 3, and I think that’s almost a given, you know what to expect. 😉

u/BeMe777 — 29 days ago
▲ 36 r/weyler+1 crossposts

When did Laurel find out that Tyler knew Wednesday? Why I think Tyler and Wednesday’s attraction was inevitable and why they might both be more than they seem?

I think Tyler was completely genuine with Wednesday until episode 4. Why?

Personally, I've always thought that at least in episode 1, his interest in her was clearly genuine. But after rewatching the first few episodes, there are two scenes in episode 4 that I find particularly revealing.

The first one is Tyler's jealousy when Wednesday tells him she's going to the Rave'N with Xavier. Wednesday can clearly see that he's upset, and he's pretty straightforward about it. He tells her, “I thought we liked each other,” and then asks whether he's in the “more-than-friend zone” or just a pawn in some game she's playing.

(And surprisingly, Wednesday... doesn't deny it. She'd rather tell him that she has other priorities. And for Wednesday, considering she only asked Xavier to the dance as part of her investigation, that's almost an admission, but anyway. 😂)

If Tyler's goal at this point was simply to stay close to Wednesday and gather useful information, I don't really see the point of appearing genuinely upset. It's actually pretty counterproductive. He could have just developed the friendship side of their relationship and stayed close to her that way.

The second scene, and the one that really made me start questioning things, is their encounter with Laurel at the Rave'N. Wednesday introduces Tyler, with that awkward little moment we all know. But when Laurel says, “It's a small town. It's hard to keep secrets,” I think she's actually talking directly to Tyler. She DIDN'T KNOW he was coming to the Rave'N, and even less that he was coming with Wednesday. I think she discovers it right there.

And when Wednesday leaves to get them drinks, Tyler does this tiny step back, almost like an “oh shit, please don't leave me alone with her.” 😂 He clearly looks uncomfortable, almost scared to be left alone with Laurel.

Those two things make me think Tyler's feelings for Wednesday were completely genuine up until that point.

And once Laurel discovers how close they are, she sees it as an opportunity. She still has her plan, obviously, and from her perspective their relationship is probably more useful than problematic. But I can totally imagine her giving Tyler some kind of instruction like: “Stay close to her, but don't go too far.”

And rewatching episodes 2 and 3 with that idea in mind makes some scenes even more interesting to me.

In episode 2, Wednesday and Tyler sort of accidentally run into each other in the woods. She's looking for evidence of the monster and Tyler starts asking her questions about how it appeared and what happened.

Personally, I find that scene pretty innocent. I get the impression that he genuinely wants to know what happened. I think he's still at the stage where he doesn't really remember what he does as the Hyde. I assume what happened with Rowan probably left him confused. Maybe he talked to Laurel about it and she saw it as some kind of side effect of his unlocking.

Episode 3 is different. When Wednesday comes to ask him where the ruins are, he actually seems kind of flattered that she's so interested in the monster, and he offers to take her there after his shift. But well...Wednesday doesn't wait and goes there alone. And then... Tyler shows up anyway. As the Hyde.

Why does he transform again at that particular moment? I don't know.

Maybe he genuinely intended to meet Wednesday after his shift and followed her there. Maybe Laurel gave him an order... but then why transform? He could simply have shown up as Tyler.

Maybe there's something else going on? Maybe the transformation was involuntary? In Wednesday's presence? For the second time...?

And then there's something else: his victim at the end of the episode is... the guy who attacked Wednesday at the ruins. And that's starting to look like a pretty weird pattern.

Episode 1: Rowan tries to kill Wednesday and the Hyde kills Rowan.

Episode 3: the homeless man attacks Wednesday → the Hyde later kills him.

And this brings me back to my idea that the connection between Wednesday and Tyler might already have existed at this point.

In my previous post (https://www.reddit.com/r/weyler/s/FMUy1tVNuK), I talked about my theory that the Hyde might actually be a creature belonging to the Shadow Realm/the realm of the dead, living there, but able to cross the veil into our world through Tyler's body.

And weirdly enough... there's a pattern here too. Wednesday has a vision/connection with the Shadow Realm...Tyler transforms shortly afterwards...

What if Wednesday entering the spirit world somehow makes it easier for the Hyde to enter the world of the living? Assuming my crazy theory is even remotely right, obviously. 😂

So maybe Tyler and Wednesday were drawn to each other because their connection to the Shadow Realm makes them close on some kind of... dimensional level?

And that could also explain it if we eventually discover the same kind of proximity between Ravens and Hydes in season 3. Maybe the connection comes from some kind of attraction between the dimensional “doors” they both embody?

Yeah, I know, I'm going far .... but you know me. 😉😂

So... what do you think?

u/BeMe777 — 1 month ago
▲ 15 r/weyler

Does the Hyde live in the realm of the dead? What if Tyler/Hyde can travel between both worlds? 👀 Another crazy theory 😉

Okay, here we go again. 😂

But first, thanks to u/ElvenQueen726 for this post about Paracelsus' astral body: https://www.reddit.com/r/weyler/s/qH8DK6RGTg . It reminded me of one of my old theories, except I think what they pointed out gives it a lot more substance:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Wednesday/s/THIgzwrORq

Basically, I said in that old post that, for me, one of the things Wednesday and Tyler might have in common is precisely the Shadow Realm or, if you prefer, the realm of the dead. And what u/ElvenQueen726 is explaining really fits with that idea.

Astral projection immediately made me think of an astral world and therefore the world of the dead. And the series seems to represent this visually quite often.

Whether it's during Wednesday's visions, when she communicates with the spirits of Goody or Weems, the realm of the dead seems very present. And the imagery used makes it look like some kind of upside-down version of our world, or the other side, whatever you want to call it. 😉 In any case, this world seems to exist in the series as a layer superimposed on the real, tangible world. Like an astral dimension.

For now, mediums seem to be the only living people able to access it and communicate through it, although some spirits also seem able to interact with the physical world. Weems even moves a book at one point. And that's where my crazy idea starts. 😂

What if the Hyde is alive in the world of the dead, while Tyler is alive in Wednesday's world? ....Okay, let me explain. 😂 If the Hyde is a construction of the soul, something fed by anger and rage....What if that construction became so powerful that it actually came into existence... in the spirit world?

In a sense, Tyler may have "dreamed the Hyde", feeding it and eventually giving it an existence of its own in the world of the dead. After all, Hydes are artists by nature... and what do artists do? They create. 😉

Then a shock, a traumatic event or some kind of chemical induction could break the barrier separating the two worlds, allowing the Hyde to pass through Tyler and into the world of the living.

Which would also fit with Faulkner's words: “unleashed or unlocked.” And maybe that could explain part of the strange connection between Wednesday and Tyler. Wednesday can perceive both worlds. So maybe she can actually see or feel both Tyler AND the Hyde, without really understanding what she's sensing or why she's drawn to him.

But if we keep following this theory, and obviously we're going to... 😉😂

If the Hyde can cross into Tyler's world through him... couldn't it work the other way around too? 👀 Could the Hyde somehow allow Tyler to cross into the world of the dead?

That's one of the reasons I think Wednesday and Tyler might have such a "strange connection" and not just emotionally.....Maybe they can both literally cross between the two dimensions?

And actually... what if they've already met there before? Maybe even in dreams? 👀

I'm thinking about that weird crocodile painting in Wednesday's childhood bedroom. I can totally imagine Wednesday casually explaining one day that it was her favorite monster, the one that used to chase her in her dreams. 😉😂 And visually, the Hyde does have something strangely reptilian about it. You can see it especially in the spines running along its back, and then there's its recurring connection with water. 👀

So maybe Wednesday and Tyler's connection started much earlier than either of them realizes. Maybe Wednesday has been seeing the Hyde long before she ever met Tyler. Or maybe they've both been crossing the same invisible boundary from opposite sides.

But then again... these are just theories. 😉

u/BeMe777 — 1 month ago
▲ 12 r/weyler

Ojo de Dios in Wednesday: protection, colors, spiritual vision… and maybe 5 seasons? 👀

Hey, I spotted something 👀 Yes, I know. Again. 😉😂 Well, unless someone already spotted it before. I have no idea. 😂

No, seriously, in episode 5 of season 2, we very briefly see some Ojos de Dios on display. And I mean very briefly, so I made a few screenshots for you. 😉 Anyway, what I find interesting is that Ojos de Dios come from Mexico, and we already know from Morticia in season 1 that Goody came from Mexico. More specifically, the Ojo de Dios is associated particularly with the Wixárika (Huichol) and Tepehuán peoples of western Mexico.

And the symbol itself is pretty interesting. It's connected to spiritual vision, protection and the idea of seeing or understanding what is normally hidden. The related concept of nierika can even be associated with a kind of doorway or passage to another level of perception. Yeah, I know. 👀 That does sound quite a lot like Raven powers and therefore... Wednesday. 😂

And the thing is, even if we haven't necessarily seen another Ojo de Dios in the series yet (although it could always come back 😉), we have seen a lot of symbols and ideas associated with it. Eyes. Cardinal directions. Protection. Balance. And even the way the weaving develops progressively around a central point. Like a little spider weaving its web, maybe? 🕷️😂 For me, that's enough little details to at least wonder whether this symbol could become relevant again later in the series.

There's also another fun detail: the colors. Their meanings aren't completely fixed, so I'm not going to pretend there's a secret color code here 😂, but in some interpretations, purple is associated with the Wixárika as a society or community. Which I find rather funny considering purple is basically the color of Nevermore's uniforms... and the Nightshades. 👀

And black? Strangely enough, black can be associated with life, as well as the Pacific Ocean and the Mother of the Sea. Which is pretty ironic for Wednesday. The girl who dresses almost entirely in black, has a rather impressive fascination with death and the macabre... and yet spends so much of her story fighting to keep the people she loves alive. 🖤

But there's another detail about the Ojo de Dios that made me think of something else. Traditionally, when a child is born, an Ojo de Dios is started for them as a form of protection. The central eye is woven first, and as the child grows, another layer or color is added each year until the age of five. Five is important here too, because the Ojo de Dios can represent five directions: north, south, east, west... and the center.

And then I suddenly remembered the Wednesday title in the opening credits. 😂 Season 1: black and white. Season 2: purple. 👀 So... what about season 3? Will Wednesday take on another color? Another season, another color, another meaning... almost like adding a new color to the weaving as Wednesday herself grows.

And if so... where does it end? Could we eventually get to five? Five seasons, five colors, like the five stages of the child's Ojo de Dios? 👀 Obviously I'm not saying that's what they're doing 😂. But I find the parallel pretty beautiful: Maybe each new season is just another layer of her own little weaving. 😉 Anyway... what do you think? 👀🕷️🖤

u/BeMe777 — 1 month ago

Music in Wednesday: Spirals, the Wolf Fifth and Disharmony (This Is Not a Theory 😉)

I've seen quite a few posts about the music in Wednesday, and it made me think of something: one way of representing musical pitch isn't as a straight line or even a circle...It's a spiral. And actually, it makes a lot of sense.

Take an octave. You go from C to the next C. It's still C, but it's higher, and its frequency has doubled.

So if you represent music as a circle, you'd simply come back to the same point. But with a spiral, you come back to the same place around the circle... just at a different height. Same note, but different. Like a pattern repeating itself, but at different levels. Or maybe even similar people at different points in time.

And since the spiral is associated with time in the opening credits, symbolically, I guess that would imply that time isn't linear either... it spirals. From a starting point towards... an unknown destination. Maybe repeating but different?

Honestly, I don't know 😂, but I find the idea of using music to explain the spirals we keep seeing in the series quite poetic.

And that's when I remembered something else that makes this whole thing even more interesting (or not 😉): the circle of fifths.

I've done a little music, but well, it's been a while, so I went and double-checked 😅. (Thanks, Wiki)

So, to sum it up: the circle of fifths is basically a way of visualizing the relationships between keys and harmonies.

Except there's a funny little problem with this circle.

If you keep stacking pure fifths, mathematically, it doesn't quite close. After twelve fifths (3/2 in mathematical terms), you get incredibly close to seven octaves (2/1)...but not exactly. Because: (3/2)¹² ≠ 2⁷

There's a tiny difference called the Pythagorean comma.

So once again, something that looks like a circle can actually become...a spiral.

And because apparently this wasn't amusing enough already, there's one last fun fact.

When you try to close that imperfect circle in Pythagorean tuning, well... that tiny discrepancy has to go somewhere. And you can end up with a particularly badly tuned fifth, with a sound that kind of resembles a howl. It's called...the wolf fifth. 🐺 😂

That's the one carrying our friend Pythagoras' damn comma around....ans speaking of our friend Pythagoras...he's also known for the idea of a kind of cosmic harmony. Basically, for him, numbers, proportions, music and the order of the cosmos were somehow connected.

So honestly, I have absolutely no idea if there's any connection here, but we might as well take the idea all the way.😉😂 What if everything that happens to Wednesday is just a tiny disturbance in that cosmic harmony? maybe a slight disharmony?

PS: Thanks to anyone who's followed my musical ramblings this far. And, by the way, the strings of a cello are tuned in fifths. 😉

PS2: The spiral clock/staircase pictures are from Eric Keller's work on the Wednesday opening titles.

u/BeMe777 — 1 month ago
▲ 11 r/weyler

Music in Wednesday: Spiral, circle and disharmony (This Is Not a Theory 😉)

I've seen quite a few posts about the music in Wednesday, and it made me think of something: one way of representing musical pitch isn't as a straight line or even a circle...It's a spiral. And actually, it makes a lot of sense.

Take an octave. You go from C to the next C. It's still C, but it's higher, and its frequency has doubled.

So if you represent music as a circle, you'd simply come back to the same point. But with a spiral, you come back to the same place around the circle... just at a different height. Same note, but different.

Like a pattern repeating itself, but at different levels. And since the spiral is associated with time in the opening credits, symbolically, I guess that would imply that time isn't linear either... it spirals. From a starting point towards... an unknown destination. Repeating but different 😉

Honestly, I don't know 😂, but I find the idea of using music to explain the spirals we keep seeing in the series quite poetic.

And that's when I remembered something else that makes this whole thing even more interesting (or not 😉): the circle of fifths.

I've done a little music, but well, it's been a while, so I went and double-checked 😅. (Thanks, Wiki)

So, to sum it up: the circle of fifths is basically a way of visualizing the relationships between keys and harmonies.....Except there's a funny little problem with this circle. If you keep stacking pure fifths, mathematically, it doesn't quite close. After twelve fifths (3/2 in mathematical terms), you get incredibly close to seven octaves (2/1)...but not exactly. Because: (3/2)¹² ≠ 2⁷

There's a tiny difference called the Pythagorean comma.

So once again, something that looks like a circle can actually become...a spiral.

And because apparently this wasn't amusing enough already, there's one last fun fact. Our friend Pythagoras he's also known for the idea of a kind of cosmic harmony. Basically, for him, numbers, proportions, music and the order of the cosmos were somehow connected.

So honestly, I have absolutely no idea if there's any connection here, but we might as well take the idea all the way😉. What if everything that happens to Wednesday is just a tiny disturbance in that cosmic harmony? Maybe a slight disharmony?

PS: Thanks to anyone who's followed my musical ramblings this far. And, by the way, the strings of a cello are tuned in fifths. 😉

PS2: The spiral clock/staircase pictures are from Eric Keller's work on the Wednesday opening titles.

u/BeMe777 — 1 month ago
▲ 96 r/weyler+1 crossposts

The panda: Wednesday’s favorite prop? 🐼😉

.....or the stuffed-animal budget is VERY tight? 😂

u/BeMe777 — 2 months ago
▲ 26 r/weyler

Flowers in Wednesday - Red roses: Passionate love or a curse? 🌹

Okay, we've already talked quite a bit about flowers in Wednesday, especially in Season 1, with the black dahlia, the wilted flowers, the missing boutonnière... you know the drill. But unless I'm forgetting something, Season 2 doesn't actually use flowers that much. Except for a few moments that I find VERY interesting.

First, the opening credits.

We can see red roses at the foot of the dead tree, and Thing sends their petals flying as he moves through them. What caught my attention is that red seems to be the only real color in the opening. Since Season 1, the credits have mostly existed in shades of grey, unless something is actually producing or reflecting light, candles, lightning, the moon, fire, etc. But the roses are red on their own.

I had noticed this before without thinking too much about it, so I did a quick search and, obviously, red roses are associated with passionate love. Nothing revolutionary there. 😂 But roses are also associated with secrecy. There's even the Latin expression sub rosa, “under the rose”, referring to something that must remain confidential. Apparently, roses were historically used as a symbol that whatever was said beneath them should remain secret. (Didn't know that. Thanks, Wikipedia. 😂)

And then there's the second appearance that really sent my brain down the rabbit hole.

Morticia brings red roses into the kitchen, and when does this happen? Wednesday has just woken up from her coma and is studying Laurel's notes, trying to learn more about Tyler, the Hyde, and especially how to master him. For some reason, she does this in the kitchen. Probably because the writers needed Wednesday, Morticia and Weems together for the confrontation, but still, interesting choice. Because that's when Morticia tells her:

“Wednesday, I know your thirst for revenge is unquenchable, but please don’t court this monster.”

Court this monster. Interesting choice of words when Morticia is literally carrying red roses. 🌹 And there are red flowers behind Wednesday too, in the stained-glass window. They look like intertwined roses to me, although, to be fair, they could simply be red flowers.

But come on. A monster, red roses, stained glass, and someone talking about “courting” said monster. Does that remind you of anything? 😂

Yeah. Beauty and the Beast.

Except this is Wednesday, so naturally everything is backwards. Here, Beauty is the one trying to capture the Beast. 😉😂 And suddenly the rose gets even more interesting, because if we're playing with Beauty and the Beast imagery, the rose isn't only about love. It's also the symbol of the Beast's curse, a rose trapped beneath glass, slowly losing its petals like a dramatic magical countdown. A curse with a time limit. And honestly... doesn't that sound at least a little familiar when we're talking about Hydes?

Then I noticed the roses a third time.

In the teaser, the scenes involving Tabitha and Ophelia take place at Rotwood Cottage, and strangely enough, both announcements place them in the kitchen. It's especially obvious with Tabitha because you can clearly see that red-flower stained-glass window behind her.

Maybe it means absolutely nothing. But if the teaser really is setting up some kind of meal, then the kitchen seems to be the center of... operations. 😉

So what are the roses actually supposed to mean? Passionate love? Secrets? A curse? Maybe all three.

And yes, obviously my brain immediately sees this as another tiny Wednesday/Tyler reference, Beauty and the Beast, except with the scenario completely reversed. Here, Beauty is hunting the Beast. She's the one trying to trap him, and she may even be willing to use his own curse against him.

....Or maybe they're just roses. 😂 But we're having fun looking for all the little secrets the writers may or may not have hidden right under our noses. Nothing serious. 😉🌹

P.S. Oh, and I almost forgot. When Morticia and Françoise interrupt the wedding, Morticia seems to be wearing white roses in her hair, and they're embroidered on her dress too.

And here's another fun detail. In one version of the myth of Aphrodite and Adonis, roses were originally white. They only turned red when Aphrodite, goddess of love, stained them with her blood as she rushed to Adonis after he was mortally wounded during a hunt. So it seems we go from white roses to red roses through love, blood and death??? 😂🌹

u/BeMe777 — 2 months ago
▲ 26 r/weyler+1 crossposts

Nevermore: Same tragedy, different player? or Goody, the first Hyde, and the corrupted bond?

In one of my previous posts, I developed a first idea: Nevermore's four dorms (Ophelia, Puck, Thisbee, and Caliban) all seem to revolve around error, illusion, or a distorted perception of reality: https://www.reddit.com/r/Wednesday/s/Z8piH5XbKY

In another post, I imagined two ideologies that might have been clashing since Nevermore's very beginning: protecting Outcasts while respecting the individual, or protecting Outcasts at any cost: https://www.reddit.com/r/Wednesday/s/85j04DcGuA

But what if the dorm names should also be taken more literally? What if they represent Nevermore's four original founders? Any resemblance to a certain school of witchcraft and wizardry is... possibly intentional. 😉

Why do I think that? Because of Ophelia. There's that strange submerged statue of Ophelia in the Quad. Look closely at her face and you can almost make out black tears running from her eye. Goody also cried black tears in the painting. Just like Wednesday. So what if that statue is actually a tribute to Goody?

That's where this theory begins: Ophelia may have been Goody's alias as one of Nevermore's founders. And if that's true, Puck, Thisbee, and Caliban could hide the identities of the other three founders. The dorms wouldn't simply be literary references. They would tell Nevermore's secret origin story.

Basically: what happens when Ophelia and Caliban walk into A Midsummer Night's Dream? So, ready for my completely insane theory about Nevermore's first lie? 😉

CALIBAN: the original problem

In The Tempest, Caliban is dangerous, and Prospero eventually subdues him through magic. It's hard not to think about Hydes. They're violent, incredibly powerful, and can transform unpredictably. And we already know what an Outcast community can do to those it considers uncontrollable: look at the Alphas. Werewolves hunt them down and kill them.

So imagine that one of Nevermore's four founders was a Hyde. How do you build a school around Outcast unity when one of your founders might lose control and become a threat to everyone else? Cast him out? Kill him? Or find a way to control him?

OPHELIA / GOODY: the creation of the bond

That's where Goody comes in. Goody practices witchcraft and creates the Nightshades, hidden within Nevermore. Through this echo of the sorcerer and the monster, I think she's the one who initiates the first bond with a Hyde.

Why? That's where I'd leave several possibilities open. A desire for control? Genuine concern for everyone's safety? Maybe the Hyde even consented: “I'm not thrilled about someone controlling me, but if I completely lose my mind, I'd rather Goody stop me than have the others kill me.”

Or maybe Goody and the Hyde loved each other and willingly chose to bind themselves through magic. His uncontrollable impulses are contained, while Goody gets reassurance against her own fears and insecurities. After all, she's a Raven (blind trust and giving up control don't exactly seem to be their specialty).

Protection? Love? Fear? Control? IDk. But Goody accepts the magical or karmic price required. She created the bond. The mutation. The curse.

PUCK: “Why stop there?” 😈

Now we enter A Midsummer Night's Dream. Puck's magic redirects people's desires toward the wrong person. What if Nevermore's Puck did the same thing to Goody's spell? He switches the target.

Accident? Maybe. Personally, I think it was deliberate. Goody has created a way to control Caliban, and Puck represents the other ideology: “Why stop there?” If we can control something this powerful, why only use the bond when he's dangerous? Why not control him completely and turn him into the ultimate weapon for the Outcasts?

Same goal: protect the Outcasts. Completely different limits.

THISBEE / HELENA: accepting the illusion

Thisbe comes from Pyramus and Thisbe, the play performed inside A Midsummer Night's Dream. Thisbee is a woman in love who is willing to do anything, even die for love. And so, behind Thisbee, I also see Helena. Helena desperately wants Demetrius, and magic eventually gives her exactly what she wanted: Demetrius loves her. Except his desire has been magically altered. The illusion gives Helena what she wants, so why reject it?

And I think there are several possibilities for our original Thisbee. Maybe she genuinely loves Caliban more than anything and accepts the corrupted bond because the illusion gives her the man she wants. Or maybe love has nothing to do with it: she shares Puck's ideology and accepts control over Caliban because she believes Hydes should be used to protect the Outcasts.

Or maybe it's both. She supports Puck's vision and gets the man she loves at the same time. Ideology and desire suddenly point in exactly the same direction. Why would she refuse?

And the name Thisbee may add another clue. When Pyramus dies, Thisbe chooses to die too. What if the Master/Hyde bond works like a contract? The Master gains control but accepts a price in return. Perhaps the death of one affects the other, or breaking the bond has consequences. Thisbee binds Caliban, but by accepting the bond, she binds herself to him too.

CALIBAN / DEMETRIUS : the illusion becomes permanent

This is where Caliban also becomes Demetrius. Demetrius's feelings are magically altered in A Midsummer Night's Dream. He ends up loving Helena, and unlike Lysander, his enchantment isn't reversed. He believes he chooses her. But does he?

I think our first Hyde suffers the same fate. Goody's bond is redirected, and what may have begun as a safeguard becomes servitude. Caliban loses his free will.

And suddenly the whole pattern appears:

OPHELIA / GOODY → creates the bond.

PUCK → redirects the bond.

THISBEE→ receives the bond.

CALIBAN→ loses his free will.

And Goody had already agreed to pay the price of her magic, so she pays it anyway. What was that price? An early death? A curse on her bloodline? Maybe. But I keep coming back to madness.

Ophelia is shattered by loss and descends into madness before her death by drowning. If Goody suffered a similar fate, that submerged statue in Nevermore's Quad suddenly becomes incredibly symbolic. Maybe we're not simply looking at Shakespeare's Ophelia, but at the memorial of Nevermore's own Ophelia: Goody, the woman who created the bond, paid its price, and was ultimately destroyed by it.

Nevermore's first great betrayal. And perhaps its first great lie. Pretty ironic for a school whose motto is “Unitas est invicta”: unity is invincible.

SAME TRAGEDY, DIFFERENT PLAYERS ?

And this is where Alfie, Minerva, and Isadora become really interesting. As I already suspect that Isadora is lying about what actually happened, I would flip the roles we've been given. Minerva would be the woman who originally had the genuine bond. Isadora would be the one who wanted what Minerva had and benefited from its manipulation. And Alfie would once again be the Hyde whose will is altered.

Which leaves one final parallel that I love: If Goody Addams is the creator of the bond....Wednesday Addams is the destroyer of the bond?

Idk...but I love the idea.

u/BeMe777 — 2 months ago
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Chronicle of a Death Foretold part 2: A vs B, or Outcasts vs Outcasts?

In my previous post, I said that I think the parallels between Morning Song, the “Hyde camp" and the Nightshade Society might actually reveal a deeper division within the outcast community itself.

For example, let's remember that Hester looked down on Wednesday's father because she considered him “not outcast enough.” Wednesday clearly disagrees with her and fully stands by her father. I think this little anecdote actually reveals a mentality that might be fairly common among outcasts: the idea that there should be some kind of hierarchy among them.

And we find that same idea with the Hydes and the Alphas. They're seen as too frightening, too dangerous, too different...and so they're feared and excluded by other outcasts.

And that brings us back to what I think are two fundamentally different visions of the outcast community.

On one side, you have those who believe in a hierarchy even among outcasts and who might be willing to manipulate some outcasts in order to control or protect the others. Basically, once again: "the end justifies the means".

On the other side, you have those who not believe in that....but that every kind of otherness matters, that every outcast matters, without placing one kind of outcast above another.

And strangely enough...That reminded me of the teaser. Remember when I compared it to some kind of murder mystery game, with two teams fighting each other? The A's versus the B's. So here's my theory.

What if the A's represent the outcasts who value and protect every kind of outcast, without wanting to use or manipulate them? The ones whose real objective is simply the protection of the community. Goody's original goal. The Addamses.

And then there are the B's. Maybe they still want to protect outcasts too...but at any cost. And if that means manipulating their own people, betraying them, using them...Well. They'll do it anyway. 😉

And that's where I think we might get back to the B's , not as something separate from the Nightshades, but as a faction within them. The less... friendly faction. 😉

The ones who might still claim to be protecting outcasts, but who believe that the end justifies the means. The faction that seriously considered using the Plagues of Egypt for one of their projects. The faction that might have considered bringing Bradbury Tower back into use for some... little experiments?

And if the “outcasts among outcasts camp” is somehow connected to that faction, then I think its members might ultimately find themselves being used against their own people. Which brings me to Tyler and Enid. If the idea of them ending up in the same camp really is where the story is heading (and I'm not the only one saying it 😉 ) then I think they'll both find themselves in danger at some point.

And that's when choice becomes important. I even think that's why Enid's invitation burned. She was N, which I interpreted as neutral. But she's not neutral anymore. She's become an outcast among outcasts, and I think she's 0 now, just like Tyler. Neither of them truly belongs to either side anymore. And eventually, they'll have to choose one.

So..... who could the next antagonists be?

I could definitely see Tabitha as the enforcer...and Balthazar as the "Big B", the actual "Big Bad" of Season 3 ...And maybe even Cousin Itt, why not? the question mark next to Balthazar? After all, we do see portraits of Cousin Itt’s family among the central portraits of the Nightshades. And you know.... family dinners can often end in political debates. 😉

So what do you think ?

u/BeMe777 — 2 months ago
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What if Goody was a Dove .....and sacrificed her powers to become a Raven? 🤯😉

Goody is complicated, to say the least. But there's something about her that has always bothered me.

If Goody was a Raven, someone whose visions can show dark, dangerous or deadly events, why didn't she have a vision of what was going to happen to her community/mother?

I mean, Wednesday saw the attack on her brother and the death of a complete stranger... in the very first episode....Her powers were only beginning to develop. And she still eventually saw the identity of the Hyde/Tyler, even if it came late.

So the fact that Goody apparently didn't foresee the tragedy that destroyed her family and community feels really strange to me. Sure, we could just say she got unlucky. But there's something else that doesn't quite fit.

When Goody's mother tells her to run, she calls her: “My sweet lamb.”

Sweet?

A lamb?

I don't know, but those words have always stuck with me. They don't exactly evoke a Raven. They evoke ....something white and pure...like....A dove?

Even her name: Goody. Historically, I know it's derived from Goodwife but....the association is still hard to ignore.

Soooo, maybe Goody's entire nature was fundamentally changed by the death of her family and her mother's final call for revenge? I mean, if she really did have the gifts of a Dove, imagine how useless those abilities might have felt to her afterward. She could see the light...but she hadn't seen the darkness coming. So maybe her nature changed, and her powers changed with it? But it feels weird to me that someone’s powers could change. The show seems to treat outcast abilities as something genetic, something you inherit, so... I don’t know...

But .... there's the Codex Umbrarum. One passage in particular has been bothering me.“The dove's gifts must be sought, willingly given to the raven.” (thank you u/ElevenQueen726 )

And what if that's the missing link? What if Goody didn't simply become a Raven because her nature changed? What if she deliberately sacrificed her Dove powers in order to obtain those of the Raven, or at least what the Raven represents: the ability to see the darker possibilities, danger and death?

Maybe Goody sacrificed her original gift and transformed herself into something that would actually be useful in her fight to protect outcasts from future attacks. And suddenly, her mother's “sweet lamb” takes on another meaning. Because a lamb isn't only associated with gentleness and innocence. A lamb can also be a sacrifice.

And maybe that's exactly what Goody did. She sacrificed the Dove...to create the Raven?

It's just a theory of course ....Or maybe.... a fanfiction ? 😉😂

What do you think ?

u/BeMe777 — 2 months ago
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Morning Song / “Hyde Camp” / Nightshade Society: Chronicle of a Death Foretold (Part1)

I found the Morning Song storyline really interesting, even though with so few episodes, its downfall happened pretty quickly. But after thinking about it, I started wondering whether that quick resolution wasn't actually just a clue pointing toward a much bigger game.

Morning Song was created by Dort, using someone else's image: Gideon, which is itself an alias. In the end, everyone is hiding behind a false face. The goal? Under the guise of personal development and protecting outcasts (while recruiting both outcasts and normies) use them and take their money. And we're not talking about just any kind of manipulation here. They use siren song. In other words, pure and simple coercion, with basically no chance of breaking free.

Bianca says it herself: her siren song can be so powerful that even her amulet can become ineffective. But her mother also tells us that, over time, the song loses its power. So to maintain that influence, they need new songs, new sirens. Bianca refuses, and then so does her mother. But you know what intrigues me about all this?

Strangely enough, in Season 2, Dort becomes the principal of Nevermore. Weems is even very surprised because he wasn't on her list of potential successors. So my question is: did he manipulate his way into that position, or... did someone deliberately put him there?

Then, strangely enough, he hires Isadora Capri....Okay, we don't have all the information yet, but seriously. She talks about a community of ostracized outcasts, pack bonds, transcending the bond...Yeah. That smells a little fishy, doesn't it?

So is it really a coincidence that Dort and Isadora both ended up at Nevermore? Could their goals actually be similar?

I've already said that I think Isadora is an Alpha. The fact that her dress is unbuttoned (right after outcasts escapes from Willow Hill and not full moon yet), then her offer at his parents' grave and even her cryptic words when she meets Wednesday ...all make me think that her entire presence has one purpose: to recruit/capture an Hyde.... And she doesn't hesitate to transform in broad daylight to go after him, or to manipulate his grief and his desperate situation in order to recruit him....Whether it ends up being Tyler or not doesn't really matter. She wants a Hyde for... her community. Anyway, that brings me to my theory.

What do these two groups have in common? Forcing outcasts into submission in order to control them. I mean, seriously, between siren song and the Hyde-master bond, you can't tell me there isn't a common thread here.

And finally, to bring things full circle (those who know, know 😉): the Nightshade Society. We've already seen that it was created by Goody following the murders of her loved ones and that its purpose is the protection of outcasts and... revenge. So what if, in the end, we're seeing the same pattern again? A message about protecting outcasts that ultimately becomes... enslaving outcasts in order to serve a greater purpose: revenge against the normies? And if Goody is the official/original face of the Nightshades, who's hiding behind her? Or did she herself eventually cross the line?

I've already talked about my theory that there's a bigger villain pulling the strings from the shadows. And this could tie everything together. The same person could have placed Dort both at Morning Song and at Nevermore. Maybe they even put Isadora in her position. But who? Someone we already know, or... a future villain for Season 3?

Personally, I'm leaning more toward there being two factions of the Nightshades: the original version, created to protect outcasts, and a 2.0 version willing to do anything for revenge. The faction that gave Dort his orders, that put Isadora in place, and maybe others too.

It makes me think that while Wednesday is playing checkers, facing one opponent at a time...Others are playing chess 😉

And Wednesday might just be one more Raven among many... What do you think ?

u/BeMe777 — 2 months ago

Faulkner says there are three ways to unlocked a Hyde. Tyler has already gone through two... and as they say, bad things come in threes. 😱🧐

Quick recap. Faulkner writes:

"Born of mutation, Hyde lay dormant until unleashed by traumatic event or unlocked through chemical inducement or hypnosis. This causes the Hyde to develop an immediate bond with its liberator, who the creature now sees as its master. It becomes the willing instrument of whatever nefarious agenda this new master might propose."

Surprisingly, it seems the show has already shown us two of those three methods.

1.The first master: Laurel Gates.

Chemical inducement...to use him.

And ....It's actually ironic that Laurel dies for the very same reason she became Tyler's master in the first place: revenge....She wanted revenge against the Outcasts, and in the end, Tyler took revenge on her control over him. Anyway...

  1. The second master: Françoise Galpin. His mother.

She uses hypnosis....At least, that's what we're led to believe based on Wednesday's vision with Rootwood.

This time, she becomes his master hoping to save him from the Hyde curse.....And she fails miserably.

Strangely enough, we get the exact same mirror image. Tyler refuses to be saved by his mother. And...Françoise refuses to be saved by Tyler and chooses death instead.

So...If you've been paying attention, there's only one method left.😉 ....A traumatic event!

And I don't know... Considering they've already used Tyler to illustrate two of Faulkner's three methods, I can't help wondering...Why stop now?

So... a traumatic event and a third master for Tyler in Season 3? Or...Has it already happened?

Honestly, I don't really like this theory. I don't want Tyler to end up with a third master. But I think there's one last clue.

Faulkner also tells us:

"It becomes the willing instrument of whatever nefarious agenda this new master might propose."

And the moment Wednesday frees him, she simply glances at Isaac.That's all it takes. And Tyler/Hyde immediately takes care of the problem.

Then he "neutralizes" his mother. But when she transforms, once again.....Surprise, surprise: Tyler's Hyde never displays the savage behavior we'd expect.Instead, he gets her away from the fight.

He runs. He pulls her away from the scene. And in the end...He actually tries to save her.

Sure, you could argue that's Tyler's humanity breaking through. Or simply his survival instinct, considering she's far more dangerous than he is.

But I also wonder if it could mean something else. Maybe Wednesday never actually wanted Françoise dead. I mean...Isaac was the real problem. Still, I could absolutely be wrong about that.

So why do I think Tyler might already be connected to Wednesday?

If you've read my theory about the potential hidden Iago Tower scene, you'll probably know where I'm going with this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Wednesday/s/fyjvEx5SEn

I don't think Wednesday turning her back on Thing during the reunion scene after Isaac's death has anything to do with a lack of affection. In fact, let's not forget that she literally cried in Season 1 when she believed Thing was dead.

My theory about that potential hidden scene is that Tyler/Hyde came back to see Wednesday after his mother's death. No words. Just a look.

Maybe Hyde even lowered his head... I don't know. And Wednesday simply signaled for him to leave.

Honestly, I'm not even sure either of them would have realized a bond had formed if that's what happened. Tyler himself isn't even certain Françoise is his master at first. And Wednesday may have acted completely unconsciously, without understanding the consequences of her actions.

Anyway...That was today's theory.

Ironically, I'm really not a fan of the idea of Wednesday becoming Tyler's master. But right now...I can't shake the feeling that this is where the story might be heading.

What do you think?

u/BeMe777 — 2 months ago
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Faulkner says there are three ways to unlocked a Hyde. Tyler has already gone through two... and as they say, bad things come in threes. 😱🧐

Quick recap. Faulkner writes:

"Born of mutation, Hyde lay dormant until unleashed by traumatic event or unlocked through chemical inducement or hypnosis. This causes the Hyde to develop an immediate bond with its liberator, who the creature now sees as its master. It becomes the willing instrument of whatever nefarious agenda this new master might propose."

Surprisingly, it seems the show has already shown us two of those three methods.

  1. The first master: Laurel Gates.

Chemical inducement...to use him.

And ....It's actually ironic that Laurel dies for the very same reason she became Tyler's master in the first place: revenge....She wanted revenge against the Outcasts, and in the end, Tyler took revenge on her control over him. Anyway...

  1. The second master: Françoise Galpin. His mother.

She uses hypnosis....At least, that's what we're led to believe based on Wednesday's vision with Rootwood.

This time, she becomes his master hoping to save him from the Hyde curse.....And she fails miserably.

Strangely enough, we get the exact same mirror image. Tyler refuses to be saved by his mother. And...Françoise refuses to be saved by Tyler and chooses death instead.

So...If you've been paying attention, there's only one method left.😉 ....A traumatic event!

And I don't know... Considering they've already used Tyler to illustrate two of Faulkner's three methods, I can't help wondering...Why stop now?

So... a traumatic event and a third master for Tyler in Season 3? Or...Has it already happened?

Honestly, I don't really like this theory. I don't want Tyler to end up with a third master. But I think there's one last clue.

Faulkner also tells us:

"It becomes the willing instrument of whatever nefarious agenda this new master might propose."

And that's where one little detail keeps bothering me. The moment Wednesday frees him, she simply glances at Isaac.That's all it takes. And Tyler/Hyde immediately takes care of the problem.

Then he "neutralizes" his mother. But when she transforms, once again.....Surprise, surprise: Tyler's Hyde never displays the savage behavior we'd expect.Instead, he gets her away from the fight.

He runs. He pulls her away from the scene. And in the end...He actually tries to save her.

Sure, you could argue that's Tyler's humanity breaking through. Or simply his survival instinct, considering she's far more dangerous than he is.

But I also wonder if it could mean something else. Maybe Wednesday never actually wanted Françoise dead. I mean...Isaac was the real problem. Still, I could absolutely be wrong about that.

So why do I think Tyler might already be connected to Wednesday?

If you've read my theory about the potential hidden Iago Tower scene, you'll probably know where I'm going with this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Wednesday/s/fyjvEx5SEn

I don't think Wednesday turning her back on Thing during the reunion scene after Isaac's death has anything to do with a lack of affection. In fact, let's not forget that she literally cried in Season 1 when she believed Thing was dead.

My theory about that potential missing scene is that Tyler/Hyde came back to see Wednesday after his mother's death. No words. Just a look.

Maybe Hyde even lowered his head... I don't know. And Wednesday simply signaled for him to leave.

Honestly, I'm not even sure either of them would have realized a bond had formed if that's what happened. Tyler himself isn't even certain Françoise is his master at first. And Wednesday may have acted completely unconsciously, without understanding the consequences of her actions.

Anyway...That was today's theory.

Ironically, I'm really not a fan of the idea of Wednesday becoming Tyler's master. But right now...I can't shake the feeling that this is where the story might be heading.

What do you think?

u/BeMe777 — 2 months ago
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What if Ophelia's prophecy is actually the price of Goody's curse??''🤯👀😱

Okay, I'm going to try to organize my thoughts because this theory is starting to go in a lot of different directions.

One thing that really stood out to me is how important blood seems to be in this story.

  • In Season 1, blood is necessary to undo a spell (hello Crakstone 😉).
  • Then, in Season 2, the Codex Umbrarum confirms that blood is also required to cast a curse (thank you u/ElvenQueen726 ):

"A victim must be chosen, the result must be predetermined, and the blood of an exile who honors the Seer must be offered for the curse may take effect."

So, Season 1 shows that blood can be used to undo a spell, while the Codex confirms that it is required to cast a curse.

But what if blood is also needed to keep a curse alive?????

That immediately made me think of Tyler's blood transfusion to his mother. Of course, it could be completely unrelated...But Françoise describes her condition as a curse and later, Tyler offers his own blood to help her. The transfusion itself happens entirely off-screen and oddly enough, the next thing we see is Tyler waking up....Maybe it's nothing....But I can't help wondering if there was more to that scene than we've been shown. 👀

Then there's another passage from the Codex Umbrarum:

"All curses, no matter where they are aimed, always rebound upon the spellcaster."

I've said this before, but those lines only reinforce my theory: I think Goody cast a powerful curse in her desperate attempt to protect the Outcasts (or perhaps in her desire for revenge against the Normies).

So, what if, in that desperate attempt, Goody either created the Hydes OR at least, created the bond that enslaves them....but at a terrible cost?

  • Maybe the bond slowly weakens over time. We still don't know under what conditions.
  • Maybe Hydes literally consume their own human life force to feed the Hyde, whether you interpret that physically, psychologically, or metaphorically.

Finally, there's one last passage from the Codex Umbrarum that I find particularly interesting for this theory:

"The debt owed to the world must be repaid in its own time."

As Morticia says herself: Goody went too far. If that's true, then maybe the curse eventually turned back against her, exactly as the Codex says it always does. And what if the debt Goody owes the world is something horribly ironic? Like....The gradual disappearance of the very people she was trying to protect????

  • In Season 1, we're told that Yetis have disappeared.
  • In Season 2, we also learn that Minotaurs and at least one other Outcast species I can't remember right now have disappeared as well.

What if that isn't just background lore? What if the gradual disappearance of the Outcasts is actually the price of Goody's curse?

If that's the case, then maybe Wednesday, who carries Goody's blood (and perhaps even a fragment of her soul....like Voldemort 😱) "must die" ...in order to finally end the curse?

Maybe "Wednesday must die" isn't a punishment. Maybe her death is the only way to finally end the curse and repay the debt that has been hanging over Goody's bloodline for centuries.... Or maybe it's just fanfiction 😅.

What do you think?

Edit (July 29): One more thought. That said, I honestly don't think Wednesday is the one who's going to die.

If someone ends up sacrificing themselves, I actually think it'll be Tyler.

It feels like the more likely trope, especially if the writers are building toward his redemption. It would also make it much easier to resolve the romance between them.

If my theory is correct, then Tyler is also carrying the curse and maybe that's why the two of them are so closely connected. It's entirely possible that the very first Hyde was a willing participant, which would make Goody and the first Hyde co-casters of the original curse.

In that case, Wednesday and Tyler may have inherited the curse from both sides: Wednesday through the person who cast it, and Tyler through the person who willingly accepted it.

And let's be honest... that would give us an incredible scene of Wednesday completely losing it. 😉

u/BeMe777 — 3 months ago
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What if the 4 Nevermore dorms have been foreshadowing Wednesday's story all along?...or Wednesday is wrong....and Shakespeare says so 😉

You probably already know that the four Nevermore dorms are named after Shakespearean characters:

  • Caliban (The Tempest)
  • Ophelia (Hamlet)
  • Thisbe (Pyramus and Thisbe)
  • Puck (A Midsummer Night's Dream)

Besides the fact that Wednesday seems absolutely obsessed with Shakespeare (and Poe of course 😉) one thing struck me. These four plays all explore, in different ways, how people can be deceived by what they think they know, see or feel.... And those mistakes often have terrible consequences.🤯

To me, if you look a little closer, each play explores a different kind of human error:

  • Hamlet: errors of judgment. Hamlet kills X believing he's killing Y, and he spends much of the play wondering whether the Ghost is really his father or a demonic spirit.
  • Pyramus and Thisbe: errors of knowledge. Each believes the other is dead... when neither actually is.
  • A Midsummer Night's Dream: errors of emotion. Are the characters' feelings genuine, or are they being manipulated by magic?
  • The Tempest: errors of perception. Can you trust what you see, or is it all an illusion?

So the underlying message almost becomes.....don't trust appearances????

And when you look at Seasons 1 and 2... that idea keeps coming back.

In Season 1, Wednesday is convinced Xavier is the Hyde... and she's completely wrong (errors of judgment?). I'd even say that's her biggest defeat. She says it herself: "There's no better feeling than being right." So the opposite must be that ....there's no worse feeling than being wrong.

Then in Season 2, she's convinced Tyler is going to kill Enid. She bases that belief on her visions... and she's wrong again (errors of knowledge?).

So if this pattern continues, I wouldn't be surprised if Season 3 has Wednesday being wrong once more. Maybe about her feelings... or maybe about her perception ? I've already said that I think it's entirely possible Wednesday's visions are being manipulated. ....By who? By what? Why? I have no idea..... But if that's true, it would fit this recurring theme of deception and false certainty perfectly.

Anyway... what do you think? Is Wednesday going to be wrong again? About her feelings? Her visions? Or something else entirely?

u/BeMe777 — 3 months ago