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In one of my previous posts, I developed a first idea: Nevermore's four dorms (Ophelia, Puck, Thisbee, and Caliban) all seem to revolve around error, illusion, or a distorted perception of reality: https://www.reddit.com/r/Wednesday/s/Z8piH5XbKY

In another post, I imagined two ideologies that might have been clashing since Nevermore's very beginning: protecting Outcasts while respecting the individual, or protecting Outcasts at any cost: https://www.reddit.com/r/Wednesday/s/85j04DcGuA

But what if the dorm names should also be taken more literally? What if they represent Nevermore's four original founders? Any resemblance to a certain school of witchcraft and wizardry is... possibly intentional. 😉

Why do I think that? Because of Ophelia. There's that strange submerged statue of Ophelia in the Quad. Look closely at her face and you can almost make out black tears running from her eye. Goody also cried black tears in the painting. Just like Wednesday. So what if that statue is actually a tribute to Goody?

That's where this theory begins: Ophelia may have been Goody's alias as one of Nevermore's founders. And if that's true, Puck, Thisbee, and Caliban could hide the identities of the other three founders. The dorms wouldn't simply be literary references. They would tell Nevermore's secret origin story.

Basically: what happens when Ophelia and Caliban walk into A Midsummer Night's Dream? So, ready for my completely insane theory about Nevermore's first lie? 😉

CALIBAN: the original problem

In The Tempest, Caliban is dangerous, and Prospero eventually subdues him through magic. It's hard not to think about Hydes. They're violent, incredibly powerful, and can transform unpredictably. And we already know what an Outcast community can do to those it considers uncontrollable: look at the Alphas. Werewolves hunt them down and kill them.

So imagine that one of Nevermore's four founders was a Hyde. How do you build a school around Outcast unity when one of your founders might lose control and become a threat to everyone else? Cast him out? Kill him? Or find a way to control him?

OPHELIA / GOODY: the creation of the bond

That's where Goody comes in. Goody practices witchcraft and creates the Nightshades, hidden within Nevermore. Through this echo of the sorcerer and the monster, I think she's the one who initiates the first bond with a Hyde.

Why? That's where I'd leave several possibilities open. A desire for control? Genuine concern for everyone's safety? Maybe the Hyde even consented: “I'm not thrilled about someone controlling me, but if I completely lose my mind, I'd rather Goody stop me than have the others kill me.”

Or maybe Goody and the Hyde loved each other and willingly chose to bind themselves through magic. His uncontrollable impulses are contained, while Goody gets reassurance against her own fears and insecurities. After all, she's a Raven (blind trust and giving up control don't exactly seem to be their specialty).

Protection? Love? Fear? Control? IDk. But Goody accepts the magical or karmic price required. She created the bond. The mutation. The curse.

PUCK: “Why stop there?” 😈

Now we enter A Midsummer Night's Dream. Puck's magic redirects people's desires toward the wrong person. What if Nevermore's Puck did the same thing to Goody's spell? He switches the target.

Accident? Maybe. Personally, I think it was deliberate. Goody has created a way to control Caliban, and Puck represents the other ideology: “Why stop there?” If we can control something this powerful, why only use the bond when he's dangerous? Why not control him completely and turn him into the ultimate weapon for the Outcasts?

Same goal: protect the Outcasts. Completely different limits.

THISBEE / HELENA: accepting the illusion

Thisbe comes from Pyramus and Thisbe, the play performed inside A Midsummer Night's Dream. Thisbee is a woman in love who is willing to do anything, even die for love. And so, behind Thisbee, I also see Helena. Helena desperately wants Demetrius, and magic eventually gives her exactly what she wanted: Demetrius loves her. Except his desire has been magically altered. The illusion gives Helena what she wants, so why reject it?

And I think there are several possibilities for our original Thisbee. Maybe she genuinely loves Caliban more than anything and accepts the corrupted bond because the illusion gives her the man she wants. Or maybe love has nothing to do with it: she shares Puck's ideology and accepts control over Caliban because she believes Hydes should be used to protect the Outcasts.

Or maybe it's both. She supports Puck's vision and gets the man she loves at the same time. Ideology and desire suddenly point in exactly the same direction. Why would she refuse?

And the name Thisbee may add another clue. When Pyramus dies, Thisbe chooses to die too. What if the Master/Hyde bond works like a contract? The Master gains control but accepts a price in return. Perhaps the death of one affects the other, or breaking the bond has consequences. Thisbee binds Caliban, but by accepting the bond, she binds herself to him too.

CALIBAN / DEMETRIUS : the illusion becomes permanent

This is where Caliban also becomes Demetrius. Demetrius's feelings are magically altered in A Midsummer Night's Dream. He ends up loving Helena, and unlike Lysander, his enchantment isn't reversed. He believes he chooses her. But does he?

I think our first Hyde suffers the same fate. Goody's bond is redirected, and what may have begun as a safeguard becomes servitude. Caliban loses his free will.

And suddenly the whole pattern appears:

OPHELIA / GOODY → creates the bond.

PUCK → redirects the bond.

THISBEE→ receives the bond.

CALIBAN→ loses his free will.

And Goody had already agreed to pay the price of her magic, so she pays it anyway. What was that price? An early death? A curse on her bloodline? Maybe. But I keep coming back to madness.

Ophelia is shattered by loss and descends into madness before her death by drowning. If Goody suffered a similar fate, that submerged statue in Nevermore's Quad suddenly becomes incredibly symbolic. Maybe we're not simply looking at Shakespeare's Ophelia, but at the memorial of Nevermore's own Ophelia: Goody, the woman who created the bond, paid its price, and was ultimately destroyed by it.

Nevermore's first great betrayal. And perhaps its first great lie. Pretty ironic for a school whose motto is “Unitas est invicta”: unity is invincible.

SAME TRAGEDY, DIFFERENT PLAYERS ?

And this is where Alfie, Minerva, and Isadora become really interesting. As I already suspect that Isadora is lying about what actually happened, I would flip the roles we've been given. Minerva would be the woman who originally had the genuine bond. Isadora would be the one who wanted what Minerva had and benefited from its manipulation. And Alfie would once again be the Hyde whose will is altered.

Which leaves one final parallel that I love: If Goody Addams is the creator of the bond....Wednesday Addams is the destroyer of the bond?

Idk...but I love the idea.

In my previous post, I said that I think the parallels between Morning Song, the “Hyde camp" and the Nightshade Society might actually reveal a deeper division within the outcast community itself.

For example, let's remember that Hester looked down on Wednesday's father because she considered him “not outcast enough.” Wednesday clearly disagrees with her and fully stands by her father. I think this little anecdote actually reveals a mentality that might be fairly common among outcasts: the idea that there should be some kind of hierarchy among them.

And we find that same idea with the Hydes and the Alphas. They're seen as too frightening, too dangerous, too different...and so they're feared and excluded by other outcasts.

And that brings us back to what I think are two fundamentally different visions of the outcast community.

On one side, you have those who believe in a hierarchy even among outcasts and who might be willing to manipulate some outcasts in order to control or protect the others. Basically, once again: "the end justifies the means".

On the other side, you have those who not believe in that....but that every kind of otherness matters, that every outcast matters, without placing one kind of outcast above another.

And strangely enough...That reminded me of the teaser. Remember when I compared it to some kind of murder mystery game, with two teams fighting each other? The A's versus the B's. So here's my theory.

What if the A's represent the outcasts who value and protect every kind of outcast, without wanting to use or manipulate them? The ones whose real objective is simply the protection of the community. Goody's original goal. The Addamses.

And then there are the B's. Maybe they still want to protect outcasts too...but at any cost. And if that means manipulating their own people, betraying them, using them...Well. They'll do it anyway. 😉

And that's where I think we might get back to the B's , not as something separate from the Nightshades, but as a faction within them. The less... friendly faction. 😉

The ones who might still claim to be protecting outcasts, but who believe that the end justifies the means. The faction that seriously considered using the Plagues of Egypt for one of their projects. The faction that might have considered bringing Bradbury Tower back into use for some... little experiments?

And if the “outcasts among outcasts camp” is somehow connected to that faction, then I think its members might ultimately find themselves being used against their own people. Which brings me to Tyler and Enid. If the idea of them ending up in the same camp really is where the story is heading (and I'm not the only one saying it 😉 ) then I think they'll both find themselves in danger at some point.

And that's when choice becomes important. I even think that's why Enid's invitation burned. She was N, which I interpreted as neutral. But she's not neutral anymore. She's become an outcast among outcasts, and I think she's 0 now, just like Tyler. Neither of them truly belongs to either side anymore. And eventually, they'll have to choose one.

So..... who could the next antagonists be?

I could definitely see Tabitha as the enforcer...and Balthazar as the "Big B", the actual "Big Bad" of Season 3 ...And maybe even Cousin Itt, why not? the question mark next to Balthazar? After all, we do see portraits of Cousin Itt’s family among the central portraits of the Nightshades. And you know.... family dinners can often end in political debates. 😉

So what do you think ?

Goody is complicated, to say the least. But there's something about her that has always bothered me.

If Goody was a Raven, someone whose visions can show dark, dangerous or deadly events, why didn't she have a vision of what was going to happen to her community/mother?

I mean, Wednesday saw the attack on her brother and the death of a complete stranger... in the very first episode....Her powers were only beginning to develop. And she still eventually saw the identity of the Hyde/Tyler, even if it came late.

So the fact that Goody apparently didn't foresee the tragedy that destroyed her family and community feels really strange to me. Sure, we could just say she got unlucky. But there's something else that doesn't quite fit.

When Goody's mother tells her to run, she calls her: “My sweet lamb.”

Sweet?

A lamb?

I don't know, but those words have always stuck with me. They don't exactly evoke a Raven. They evoke ....something white and pure...like....A dove?

Even her name: Goody. Historically, I know it's derived from Goodwife but....the association is still hard to ignore.

Soooo, maybe Goody's entire nature was fundamentally changed by the death of her family and her mother's final call for revenge? I mean, if she really did have the gifts of a Dove, imagine how useless those abilities might have felt to her afterward. She could see the light...but she hadn't seen the darkness coming. So maybe her nature changed, and her powers changed with it? But it feels weird to me that someone’s powers could change. The show seems to treat outcast abilities as something genetic, something you inherit, so... I don’t know...

But .... there's the Codex Umbrarum. One passage in particular has been bothering me.“The dove's gifts must be sought, willingly given to the raven.” (thank you u/ElevenQueen726 )

And what if that's the missing link? What if Goody didn't simply become a Raven because her nature changed? What if she deliberately sacrificed her Dove powers in order to obtain those of the Raven, or at least what the Raven represents: the ability to see the darker possibilities, danger and death?

Maybe Goody sacrificed her original gift and transformed herself into something that would actually be useful in her fight to protect outcasts from future attacks. And suddenly, her mother's “sweet lamb” takes on another meaning. Because a lamb isn't only associated with gentleness and innocence. A lamb can also be a sacrifice.

And maybe that's exactly what Goody did. She sacrificed the Dove...to create the Raven?

It's just a theory of course ....Or maybe.... a fanfiction ? 😉😂

What do you think ?

I found the Morning Song storyline really interesting, even though with so few episodes, its downfall happened pretty quickly. But after thinking about it, I started wondering whether that quick resolution wasn't actually just a clue pointing toward a much bigger game.

Morning Song was created by Dort, using someone else's image: Gideon, which is itself an alias. In the end, everyone is hiding behind a false face. The goal? Under the guise of personal development and protecting outcasts (while recruiting both outcasts and normies) use them and take their money. And we're not talking about just any kind of manipulation here. They use siren song. In other words, pure and simple coercion, with basically no chance of breaking free.

Bianca says it herself: her siren song can be so powerful that even her amulet can become ineffective. But her mother also tells us that, over time, the song loses its power. So to maintain that influence, they need new songs, new sirens. Bianca refuses, and then so does her mother. But you know what intrigues me about all this?

Strangely enough, in Season 2, Dort becomes the principal of Nevermore. Weems is even very surprised because he wasn't on her list of potential successors. So my question is: did he manipulate his way into that position, or... did someone deliberately put him there?

Then, strangely enough, he hires Isadora Capri....Okay, we don't have all the information yet, but seriously. She talks about a community of ostracized outcasts, pack bonds, transcending the bond...Yeah. That smells a little fishy, doesn't it?

So is it really a coincidence that Dort and Isadora both ended up at Nevermore? Could their goals actually be similar?

I've already said that I think Isadora is an Alpha. The fact that her dress is unbuttoned (right after outcasts escapes from Willow Hill and not full moon yet), then her offer at his parents' grave and even her cryptic words when she meets Wednesday ...all make me think that her entire presence has one purpose: to recruit/capture an Hyde.... And she doesn't hesitate to transform in broad daylight to go after him, or to manipulate his grief and his desperate situation in order to recruit him....Whether it ends up being Tyler or not doesn't really matter. She wants a Hyde for... her community. Anyway, that brings me to my theory.

What do these two groups have in common? Forcing outcasts into submission in order to control them. I mean, seriously, between siren song and the Hyde-master bond, you can't tell me there isn't a common thread here.

And finally, to bring things full circle (those who know, know 😉): the Nightshade Society. We've already seen that it was created by Goody following the murders of her loved ones and that its purpose is the protection of outcasts and... revenge. So what if, in the end, we're seeing the same pattern again? A message about protecting outcasts that ultimately becomes... enslaving outcasts in order to serve a greater purpose: revenge against the normies? And if Goody is the official/original face of the Nightshades, who's hiding behind her? Or did she herself eventually cross the line?

I've already talked about my theory that there's a bigger villain pulling the strings from the shadows. And this could tie everything together. The same person could have placed Dort both at Morning Song and at Nevermore. Maybe they even put Isadora in her position. But who? Someone we already know, or... a future villain for Season 3?

Personally, I'm leaning more toward there being two factions of the Nightshades: the original version, created to protect outcasts, and a 2.0 version willing to do anything for revenge. The faction that gave Dort his orders, that put Isadora in place, and maybe others too.

It makes me think that while Wednesday is playing checkers, facing one opponent at a time...Others are playing chess 😉

And Wednesday might just be one more Raven among many... What do you think ?

Quick recap. Faulkner writes:

"Born of mutation, Hyde lay dormant until unleashed by traumatic event or unlocked through chemical inducement or hypnosis. This causes the Hyde to develop an immediate bond with its liberator, who the creature now sees as its master. It becomes the willing instrument of whatever nefarious agenda this new master might propose."

Surprisingly, it seems the show has already shown us two of those three methods.

1.The first master: Laurel Gates.

Chemical inducement...to use him.

And ....It's actually ironic that Laurel dies for the very same reason she became Tyler's master in the first place: revenge....She wanted revenge against the Outcasts, and in the end, Tyler took revenge on her control over him. Anyway...

2. The second master: Françoise Galpin. His mother.

She uses hypnosis....At least, that's what we're led to believe based on Wednesday's vision with Rootwood.

This time, she becomes his master hoping to save him from the Hyde curse.....And she fails miserably.

Strangely enough, we get the exact same mirror image. Tyler refuses to be saved by his mother. And...Françoise refuses to be saved by Tyler and chooses death instead.

So...If you've been paying attention, there's only one method left.😉 ....A traumatic event!

And I don't know... Considering they've already used Tyler to illustrate two of Faulkner's three methods, I can't help wondering...Why stop now?

So... a traumatic event and a third master for Tyler in Season 3? Or...Has it already happened?

Honestly, I don't really like this theory. I don't want Tyler to end up with a third master. But I think there's one last clue.

Faulkner also tells us:

"It becomes the willing instrument of whatever nefarious agenda this new master might propose."

And the moment Wednesday frees him, she simply glances at Isaac.That's all it takes. And Tyler/Hyde immediately takes care of the problem.

Then he "neutralizes" his mother. But when she transforms, once again.....Surprise, surprise: Tyler's Hyde never displays the savage behavior we'd expect.Instead, he gets her away from the fight.

He runs. He pulls her away from the scene. And in the end...He actually tries to save her.

Sure, you could argue that's Tyler's humanity breaking through. Or simply his survival instinct, considering she's far more dangerous than he is.

But I also wonder if it could mean something else. Maybe Wednesday never actually wanted Françoise dead. I mean...Isaac was the real problem. Still, I could absolutely be wrong about that.

So why do I think Tyler might already be connected to Wednesday?

If you've read my theory about the potential hidden Iago Tower scene, you'll probably know where I'm going with this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Wednesday/s/fyjvEx5SEn

I don't think Wednesday turning her back on Thing during the reunion scene after Isaac's death has anything to do with a lack of affection. In fact, let's not forget that she literally cried in Season 1 when she believed Thing was dead.

My theory about that potential hidden scene is that Tyler/Hyde came back to see Wednesday after his mother's death. No words. Just a look.

Maybe Hyde even lowered his head... I don't know. And Wednesday simply signaled for him to leave.

Honestly, I'm not even sure either of them would have realized a bond had formed if that's what happened. Tyler himself isn't even certain Françoise is his master at first. And Wednesday may have acted completely unconsciously, without understanding the consequences of her actions.

Anyway...That was today's theory.

Ironically, I'm really not a fan of the idea of Wednesday becoming Tyler's master. But right now...I can't shake the feeling that this is where the story might be heading.

What do you think?

Quick recap. Faulkner writes:

"Born of mutation, Hyde lay dormant until unleashed by traumatic event or unlocked through chemical inducement or hypnosis. This causes the Hyde to develop an immediate bond with its liberator, who the creature now sees as its master. It becomes the willing instrument of whatever nefarious agenda this new master might propose."

Surprisingly, it seems the show has already shown us two of those three methods.

1. The first master: Laurel Gates.

Chemical inducement...to use him.

And ....It's actually ironic that Laurel dies for the very same reason she became Tyler's master in the first place: revenge....She wanted revenge against the Outcasts, and in the end, Tyler took revenge on her control over him. Anyway...

2. The second master: Françoise Galpin. His mother.

She uses hypnosis....At least, that's what we're led to believe based on Wednesday's vision with Rootwood.

This time, she becomes his master hoping to save him from the Hyde curse.....And she fails miserably.

Strangely enough, we get the exact same mirror image. Tyler refuses to be saved by his mother. And...Françoise refuses to be saved by Tyler and chooses death instead.

So...If you've been paying attention, there's only one method left.😉 ....A traumatic event!

And I don't know... Considering they've already used Tyler to illustrate two of Faulkner's three methods, I can't help wondering...Why stop now?

So... a traumatic event and a third master for Tyler in Season 3? Or...Has it already happened?

Honestly, I don't really like this theory. I don't want Tyler to end up with a third master. But I think there's one last clue.

Faulkner also tells us:

"It becomes the willing instrument of whatever nefarious agenda this new master might propose."

And that's where one little detail keeps bothering me. The moment Wednesday frees him, she simply glances at Isaac.That's all it takes. And Tyler/Hyde immediately takes care of the problem.

Then he "neutralizes" his mother. But when she transforms, once again.....Surprise, surprise: Tyler's Hyde never displays the savage behavior we'd expect.Instead, he gets her away from the fight.

He runs. He pulls her away from the scene. And in the end...He actually tries to save her.

Sure, you could argue that's Tyler's humanity breaking through. Or simply his survival instinct, considering she's far more dangerous than he is.

But I also wonder if it could mean something else. Maybe Wednesday never actually wanted Françoise dead. I mean...Isaac was the real problem. Still, I could absolutely be wrong about that.

So why do I think Tyler might already be connected to Wednesday?

If you've read my theory about the potential hidden Iago Tower scene, you'll probably know where I'm going with this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Wednesday/s/fyjvEx5SEn

I don't think Wednesday turning her back on Thing during the reunion scene after Isaac's death has anything to do with a lack of affection. In fact, let's not forget that she literally cried in Season 1 when she believed Thing was dead.

My theory about that potential missing scene is that Tyler/Hyde came back to see Wednesday after his mother's death. No words. Just a look.

Maybe Hyde even lowered his head... I don't know. And Wednesday simply signaled for him to leave.

Honestly, I'm not even sure either of them would have realized a bond had formed if that's what happened. Tyler himself isn't even certain Françoise is his master at first. And Wednesday may have acted completely unconsciously, without understanding the consequences of her actions.

Anyway...That was today's theory.

Ironically, I'm really not a fan of the idea of Wednesday becoming Tyler's master. But right now...I can't shake the feeling that this is where the story might be heading.

What do you think?

Okay, I'm going to try to organize my thoughts because this theory is starting to go in a lot of different directions.

One thing that really stood out to me is how important blood seems to be in this story.

• In Season 1, blood is necessary to undo a spell (hello Crakstone 😉).
• Then, in Season 2, the Codex Umbrarum confirms that blood is also required to cast a curse (thank you u/ElvenQueen726 ):

"A victim must be chosen, the result must be predetermined, and the blood of an exile who honors the Seer must be offered for the curse may take effect."

So, Season 1 shows that blood can be used to undo a spell, while the Codex confirms that it is required to cast a curse.

But what if blood is also needed to keep a curse alive?????

That immediately made me think of Tyler's blood transfusion to his mother. Of course, it could be completely unrelated...But Françoise describes her condition as a curse and later, Tyler offers his own blood to help her. The transfusion itself happens entirely off-screen and oddly enough, the next thing we see is Tyler waking up....Maybe it's nothing....But I can't help wondering if there was more to that scene than we've been shown. 👀

Then there's another passage from the Codex Umbrarum:

"All curses, no matter where they are aimed, always rebound upon the spellcaster."

I've said this before, but those lines only reinforce my theory: I think Goody cast a powerful curse in her desperate attempt to protect the Outcasts (or perhaps in her desire for revenge against the Normies).

So, what if, in that desperate attempt, Goody either created the Hydes OR at least, created the bond that enslaves them....but at a terrible cost?

• Maybe the bond slowly weakens over time. We still don't know under what conditions.
• Maybe Hydes literally consume their own human life force to feed the Hyde, whether you interpret that physically, psychologically, or metaphorically.

Finally, there's one last passage from the Codex Umbrarum that I find particularly interesting for this theory:

"The debt owed to the world must be repaid in its own time."

As Morticia says herself: Goody went too far. If that's true, then maybe the curse eventually turned back against her, exactly as the Codex says it always does. And what if the debt Goody owes the world is something horribly ironic? Like....The gradual disappearance of the very people she was trying to protect????

• In Season 1, we're told that Yetis have disappeared.
• In Season 2, we also learn that Minotaurs and at least one other Outcast species I can't remember right now have disappeared as well.

What if that isn't just background lore? What if the gradual disappearance of the Outcasts is actually the price of Goody's curse?

If that's the case, then maybe Wednesday, who carries Goody's blood (and perhaps even a fragment of her soul....like Voldemort 😱) "must die" ...in order to finally end the curse?

Maybe "Wednesday must die" isn't a punishment. Maybe her death is the only way to finally end the curse and repay the debt that has been hanging over Goody's bloodline for centuries.... Or maybe it's just fanfiction 😅.

What do you think?

Edit (July 29): One more thought. That said, I honestly don't think Wednesday is the one who's going to die.

If someone ends up sacrificing themselves, I actually think it'll be Tyler.

It feels like the more likely trope, especially if the writers are building toward his redemption. It would also make it much easier to resolve the romance between them.

If my theory is correct, then Tyler is also carrying the curse and maybe that's why the two of them are so closely connected. It's entirely possible that the very first Hyde was a willing participant, which would make Goody and the first Hyde co-casters of the original curse.

In that case, Wednesday and Tyler may have inherited the curse from both sides: Wednesday through the person who cast it, and Tyler through the person who willingly accepted it.

And let's be honest... that would give us an incredible scene of Wednesday completely losing it. 😉

You probably already know that the four Nevermore dorms are named after Shakespearean characters:

• Caliban (The Tempest)
• Ophelia (Hamlet)
• Thisbe (Pyramus and Thisbe)
• Puck (A Midsummer Night's Dream)

Besides the fact that Wednesday seems absolutely obsessed with Shakespeare (and Poe of course 😉) one thing struck me. These four plays all explore, in different ways, how people can be deceived by what they think they know, see or feel.... And those mistakes often have terrible consequences.🤯

To me, if you look a little closer, each play explores a different kind of human error:

• Hamlet: errors of judgment. Hamlet kills X believing he's killing Y, and he spends much of the play wondering whether the Ghost is really his father or a demonic spirit.
• Pyramus and Thisbe: errors of knowledge. Each believes the other is dead... when neither actually is.
• A Midsummer Night's Dream: errors of emotion. Are the characters' feelings genuine, or are they being manipulated by magic?
• The Tempest: errors of perception. Can you trust what you see, or is it all an illusion?

So the underlying message almost becomes.....don't trust appearances????

And when you look at Seasons 1 and 2... that idea keeps coming back.

In Season 1, Wednesday is convinced Xavier is the Hyde... and she's completely wrong (errors of judgment?). I'd even say that's her biggest defeat. She says it herself: "There's no better feeling than being right." So the opposite must be that ....there's no worse feeling than being wrong.

Then in Season 2, she's convinced Tyler is going to kill Enid. She bases that belief on her visions... and she's wrong again (errors of knowledge?).

So if this pattern continues, I wouldn't be surprised if Season 3 has Wednesday being wrong once more. Maybe about her feelings... or maybe about her perception ? I've already said that I think it's entirely possible Wednesday's visions are being manipulated. ....By who? By what? Why? I have no idea..... But if that's true, it would fit this recurring theme of deception and false certainty perfectly.

Anyway... what do you think? Is Wednesday going to be wrong again? About her feelings? Her visions? Or something else entirely?

Hi!

I was bored, so I thought... "Hey, what if I tried to figure out what spider is hanging on Wednesday's bedroom wall?"😅

A few zooms and a Wikipedia research later, I ended up with one name: Xenesthis immanis.

Now, I'm no spider expert, and the zoom is... not exactly great 😅, so I could be totally wrong. I added a picture of the framed spider and a picture of xenesthis so you can compare them yourselves. So...maybe I'm wrong but.... that's where it gets funny. 😉

While reading about it, I found out it's one of the rare types of spiders that teams up with... a frog! 🤯

The frog is called Chiasmocleis ventrimaculata (...apparently there are a few other spider-and-frog partnerships too, but they're generally between tarantulas and these tiny microhylid frogs.)

So... why this unlikely duo? Well... because they both seem to benefit from it.

The frog eats the ants that try to eat the spider's eggs......and in return, the spider protects the frog from other predators. It even recognizes the frog thanks to the chemicals on its skin...And you know what?

I couldn't help thinking about our famous Hyde...Yeah... some people have already made connection between Hyde and frogs, and it's true, for me....he does have a pretty amphibian-looking face... but still... that's just my opinion. 😄

And the spider? Well... I've already said before that I associate spiders with fate... weaving the threads of the past, the present, the future......kind of like Wednesday.... trying to see through time.😉

Anyway... I just thought you guys might enjoy this little coincidence, so I wanted to share it.

Oh... and since I love crazy theories...Isn't it funny? The spider wants to protect its family and relies on the frog to do it. And the frog relies on the spider to protect itself from everything else.....That kind of gives me Goody vibes.Ready to do anything to protect her family... doesn't it? 😉

But then...Who was the first frog? 🐸

Welcome to the Addams Family. Once you're caught in the web... there's no escaping it. 😉

But then... what lies at the center of the web?

More family secrets or the next victim...or something else ? 😉😂🕷️

Welcome to the Addams Family. Once you're caught in the web... there's no escaping it. 😉

But then... what lies at the center of the web?

More family secrets... or the next victim? 🕷️

IDK...what do you think?

You've probably already seen people compare Hydes to frogs, or even draw parallels with Disney's "The Princess and the Frog".

But, being curious, I decided to read the original Grimm fairy tale: the king frog. And... surprise. This story isn't about true love's kiss. It's about broken promises... and violence.

At the beginning, the princess loses her golden ball in a deep well and starts crying. The frog heard her and offers to help. The princess eagerly promises him gold, jewels, or anything else he might want in return.

But the frog wants something much more valuable. He wants to share the princess's life, eat at her table, and sleep in her bed. The princess, focused only on getting her ball back agrees to everything. Surprisingly, the frog succeeds, and the princess gets her golden ball back....and immediately runs away.

Yep. She has absolutely no intention of keeping her side of the bargain. She assumes that if she runs fast enough, a frog could never catch her. But she's wrong. The frog finds her again and relentlessly insists that she keep the promise she made. The king, annoyed and guided by a strong sense of justice, forces her to keep her promise.

So, the frog joins her at the table and shares her life. But when it comes time to share her bed... plot twist. The princess throws the frog violently against a wall, hoping to kill him. And here's the incredible part: It is precisely this act of violence that breaks the curse. No magical kiss. 🐸

The frog turns back into a prince/king and explains that he had been trapped under an enchantment.

Now, let's imagine there really is a connection with the hydes : What if the bond between a Hyde and their master is exactly that? A relationship in which one serves the other... but in return, the master must offer something just as important: an emotional bond ? a promise? But it only works if both sides honor their commitment.

I mean, physical distance is what eroded the bond between Laurel and Tyler. (I think that Fairburn was right about that.) And maybe Françoise's betrayal is what broke the bond with her son?

But there's another detail that caught my attention. Some interpret the ending of the Grimm tale psychologically : The curse isn't broken by the violence itself, but because, for the first time, the princess stops repressing her true emotions. Until then, she lies or runs away.Then, suddenly, she expresses genuine emotion. Ironically, that's the very moment the curse is broken.

Does that sound familiar? Weems repeatedly tells Wednesday that burying her emotions is holding her back.

I don't know whether the writers consciously drew inspiration from this Grimm tale. But I have to admit that parallels are ....interesting.

What do you think? 😊

Well, I've already said that I think the B family in the Wednesday teaser are the A family's rivals, the A (for the Addams of course 😉).

But after looking at a few photos of the actors, I started thinking... Since this story still revolves around family, what if it's about two families that are complete opposites?

The Hydes, the B-side, the flip side of the coin,versus the Addams, the A-side, the beginning (with our dear Goody back in the 1600s).

Openly different and unapologetic outcasts versus hidden, ostracized outcasts.

And who knows... maybe they're connected somehow?

As the saying goes, "The greatest enemy is often a former friend."

What do you think?

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Officially, Nevermore was founded by Nathaniel Faulkner in 1791. But what if Faulkner wasn't the beginning of the story?

In fact, we know that the Nightshades existed before Nevermore. And we also know that Goody founded the Nightshades to protect outcasts.

Nevermore was founded later, but became home to the Nightshades. Since it is a school, I can't help but wonder if it was used to conceal the existence of the society itself, while also allowing its founders to fulfill one of their original purposes: protecting future generations of outcasts.

According to this theory, the true founders of Nevermore would actually be the original members of the Nightshades. So I decided to take a closer look at Nevermore's emblem to see if it might reveal a little more.

The "N" of Nevermore. Most people associate it with Poe's poem (and I'm convinced that's part of it too). But if we follow the timeline, Poe had not yet written "The Raven". So perhaps "Nevermore" should first be understood literally?

After all, it was only after the massacre of her entire community (who, I should remind everyone, were burned alive) that Goody escaped... and took revenge.

It also brings to mind the Founder's Pyre. Quite symbolic when we see a raven burning and seemingly flying through the flames... almost like a phoenix rising from its ashes?

Then there are the symbols. I see three of them: the raven, the moon, and the star.

The raven seems fairly straightforward. It could represent Goody herself, as the original founder.

The moon could represent the werewolves... and perhaps an unknown werewolf co-founder?

And then there is the star. Does the star represent a path? A light in the darkness? Curiously, the image of the North Star keeps coming to mind: the star that points the way.

We find a similar idea in the Codex Umbrarum through the Vegvísir, the Viking compass, which is also a symbol of direction.

But the star might represent a third co-founder? A kind of... alliance of outcasts?

And finally, there is Nevermore's motto: Unitas est invicta...Unity is invincible. That's a surprisingly martial motto for a school. But it also reflects the idea that only the unity of outcasts could protect them.

So what do you think?

Was Nathaniel Faulkner truly the first founder of Nevermore...

...or merely the public face of an older alliance whose origins have been forgotten? 😉

Hey everyone!

For those who haven't noticed, Tyler's Hyde changed color between Season 1 and Season 2. He went from gray to blue.

I don't think it's just improved visual effects because, as we can see in Season 2, his mother is still gray. So my question : why the change?

I've considered quite a few possibilities... belladonna poisoning, puberty, special lighting choices for Tyler/Hyde... and then I started wondering:

Is it even possible in the animal kingdom for an animal to change color? And more specifically, to become blue?

So I did some research and... I found something.

In the animal kingdom, there are actually very few naturally blue animals, and even fewer that change from gray to blue. In fact, I only found two examples, though feel free to correct me if I'm missing any.

The first is the blue iguana, and the second is the moor frog.

These species, which range from gray-blue to vivid blue, share a rather unique characteristic: their blue coloration becomes more intense in males during...

...mating season.

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Did I lose some of you there? 😅🤣

So what do you all think? Mating season ? Or something else?😉

P.S. The fun fact is that Careful Hearing may already have connected Hydes to... frogs. 😅🐸💙

https://www.reddit.com/r/weyler/comments/1oxrymj/apparently_hyde_anatomy_is_inspired_from/

Edit: Since several people have asked about it in the comments, I've added the link to the article where Hunter describes Tyler/Hyde as "purple," as well as the wiki page where Hydes is described as gray.

https://variety.com/2025/tv/news/wednesday-hunter-doohan-killing-missing-lady-gaga-1236480961/

https://addamsfamily.fandom.com/wiki/Hyde

I was also planning to add a few additional pictures for comparison, but I don't think this subreddit allows images to be added after a post has been published. If I find a way around that, I'll add them later.

Hopefully that answers some of the questions. 😉

Okay, I already posted before about Capri possibly being either an Alpha or even a Hyde. But the more I think about it, the more the Alpha theory makes sense to me. Why?

Well… She always seems strangely out of breath and not completely dressed, almost like she’s transforming in broad daylight. Like someone who can shift without needing the moon.

But Tyler gives us a pretty important clue in the last episode: he says she smells like a werewolf.

So by elimination… she could actually be an Alpha.

And honestly, she seems to know way too much about werewolves and transformations in general. She also doesn’t seem particularly worried about Enid, which feels a bit suspicious considering what a normal werewolf should be capable of during a full moon.

Then there’s the whole Alphie situation. Because if we understand Capri correctly, her boyfriend was supposedly ordered by Minerva to attack her during the full moon… even though Isadora is known in the outcast world for being a werewolf? Uh… strategically, we’ve seen better ideas 😅 I mean, you literally wait three days and the fight is already won before it even starts.

Unless……it wasn’t actually the full moon, and she transformed anyway.

And honestly, I also think it’s possible Capri is simply lying. Maybe she was actually the one who ordered Alphie to kill Minerva and just got injured in the process.

Anyway, all of this is still just speculation for now 😅

But at the moment, my bet is still on Capri being an Alpha. What about you?

In Capri’s file, alongside Alphie’s information, there’s a note about being careful with allergies… which feels like a very strange thing to include in the file of a music teacher while talking about articles concerning her ex Hyde boyfriend who died under mysterious circumstances…

And honestly, it immediately made me think about Wednesday’s color allergy.

So I went back to rewatch the openings of seasons 1 and 2, and more specifically the title/logo. We already know it changes color between the two seasons, but strangely enough, those colors immediately reminded me of… Tyler’s Hyde.

And yeah, if you look closely, the season 1 logo leans more toward grey streaked with purple, while the season 2 logo shifts into blue moving toward purple....which is exactly the same evolution we see with Tyler’s Hyde.

And honestly, I find it pretty funny that there’s once again this opposition between Wednesday and Tyler. On one side, you have someone who is literally allergic to color. And on the other, a social outcast who… slowly becomes more colorful. Like two opposites… once again.

And when you remember the idea of discoloration after belladonna poisoning, the whole thing starts to feel even less random.

I mean… Wednesday comes from a lineage of witches. Goody herself is known for her curses (just ask Crackstone) and her desire for revenge (and no, that’s not me saying it, Mama Morticia did 😅).

Anyway, I think you get the idea…What if this whole “color allergy” thing is actually connected to the Hyde curse? If Hydes are a curse (this time, according to Mama Francoise) then why not a curse linked to Goody herself… one that also affects her own bloodline, but in the complete opposite way?

Anyway, just a random thought 😅 What do you think?

So, the spider is a recurring animal in the series, and above all a very symbolic one. Why? We see it in the opening sequences of seasons 1 and 2, and also at two moments that aren’t so insignificant in the show.

First, the opening in season 1: we see the spider weaving its web on Wednesday’s bedroom window. Personally, I’ve always seen that window as a symbol of Wednesday (and even Enid) already being caught in the spider’s web of some mastermind… but they don’t even realize it.

Then there’s the piñata/spider episode. And here too, isn’t it revealing? While all the other kids might have run away, Wednesday stays there, completely impassive, and even lets herself be overwhelmed by the spiders. And I find that image really powerful. Maybe, unlike those trying to escape the web, the inevitable, Wednesday accepts it, standing still, enjoying it?… but maybe not without a plan in mind 😉

In season 2, the opening adds a clock behind the spider. And here it really gains meaning. This time, we enter the dimension of the web of time, and therefore… of fate.

For those who’ve read my posts, this connects to Norse mythology: the three Norns and the wyrd, the web of fate where past, present, and future actions are all interconnected.

And for the serie, which is above all about family, or rather families, and how the past shapes the future (Goody, Crackstone, Laurel Gates, Isaac Night, Ophelia)… and that’s without even mentioning Morticia and Gomez!

Anyway, to finish, there’s also the spider resurrected by Pugsley. And here again, we see that in Wednesday’s universe, even death isn’t irreversible 😉

So what do you think? The spider weaving the web of fate? Or the trap of an unknown entity closing in on Wednesday? Or simply the price to pay for Goody’s blind revenge?

A price paid later, but according to the wyrd, every action has consequences.....sooner or later.

So… any ideas for the spider opening in season 3? I’m taking bets 🕷️

Just a passing thought, maybe it’s already been brought up.

Sinclair is a surname derived from Saint Clair, which itself comes from Normandy in France. So maybe, since ancestors, whether alive or dead, are often the key to problems (or even the problems themselves: Goody, Crackstone, Laurel, Isaac…), the key to saving Enid could be tied to her ancestors… which would lead us to France and, well… the Paris catacombs.

I mean, that’s very Addams-coded, right?

It also connects to Ophelia’s drawings and the recurring symbolism of the realm of the dead, especially with Hester’s crossing of "the Styx"....maybe a ritual or a summoning tied to bloodlines?

So what do you think? Are we about to learn more about the Sinclair family history?