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On what time do you think laural told Tyler that he needed to sabotage (or what you call it) Wednesday

So basicly if he knew laurals full plan from start he wouldn't be able to help Wednesday get out of nevermore bcs of laurals orders what makes it most likely he didn't know in the beginning and had a genuine eye on Wednesday so what was the point where you think laural said like to Tyler that Wednesday is part of the plan and they're gonna kidnap her etc

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u/new_dreams227 — 19 hours ago
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S2 Wednesday burying scene

So like it would make a lot of sense if theyd cut to pugsleys reaction to his sister getting bullied alive, but no, they cut to Tyler

u/new_dreams227 — 18 hours ago
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The person I was debating with deleted all their comments, but i wasn't done talking, so I'll leave this here for yall to ponder. 😮‍💨🙄

Wow..you really believe Wednesday is a detective because she "seeks" to protect others and find justice???

What show have you been watching??

Weems quite literally said that Wednesday doesn't have an altruistic bone in her body.

The only reason she's been solving mysteries is because she a curious person who likes to find things out and loves being right, she loves the control of being right as Weems also pointed out that she loves to control things.

Plus Wednesday is NOT a saint, nor is she above killing people, in the very first scene she put Pirahna in the swimming pools and was sad she didn't get the job done, she was actually upset that it was only an "Attempted" murder charge.

Also, one could argue the only thing keeping her from actively killing people besides the fact this is a teen show, is the fact Wednesday doesn't want to go to prison. (Not that she couldn't escape their too) just like how she hinted she could escape willowhill if Kinbott had admitted her.

Also, back in Season 1 she only wanted to stay at Nevermore to find out why the hyde had saved her initially, she never mentioned wanting to save people from getting killed by the hyde as a motive, she only wanted the killings to stop later in the season especially after Eugene in particular got attacked.

Also if Wednesday cared so much about saving people, why didn't she warn that farmer who she bumped into in episode 1 that he was about to get his neck broke?

Why because he called her a weirdo?

That's not a valid reason not to try and save someone in my opinion.

Wednesday only saves the people she WANTS to save, that doesn't make her a hero.

A hero saves everyone or at least tries too.

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u/MsPlotTwister — 20 hours ago
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Here's why I don't think Wednesday's Hyde serum was going to work

Shoutout to u/Silvery_Barbs_5e --if not for your beautiful presence, I would've forgotten this in my digital vault.

*I forgot to mention that Oil of Antimony was a toxic chemical preparation developed by Paracelsus, so it's especially fitting that Wednesday begins her "prep" with a red-violet mixture.

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Related:

Breakdown of Laurel's notes
Alchemy-related posts compilation

u/ElvenQueen726 — 1 day ago
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Nevermore: Same tragedy, different player? or Goody, the first Hyde, and the corrupted bond?

In one of my previous posts, I developed a first idea: Nevermore's four dorms (Ophelia, Puck, Thisbee, and Caliban) all seem to revolve around error, illusion, or a distorted perception of reality: https://www.reddit.com/r/Wednesday/s/Z8piH5XbKY

In another post, I imagined two ideologies that might have been clashing since Nevermore's very beginning: protecting Outcasts while respecting the individual, or protecting Outcasts at any cost: https://www.reddit.com/r/Wednesday/s/85j04DcGuA

But what if the dorm names should also be taken more literally? What if they represent Nevermore's four original founders? Any resemblance to a certain school of witchcraft and wizardry is... possibly intentional. 😉

Why do I think that? Because of Ophelia. There's that strange submerged statue of Ophelia in the Quad. Look closely at her face and you can almost make out black tears running from her eye. Goody also cried black tears in the painting. Just like Wednesday. So what if that statue is actually a tribute to Goody?

That's where this theory begins: Ophelia may have been Goody's alias as one of Nevermore's founders. And if that's true, Puck, Thisbee, and Caliban could hide the identities of the other three founders. The dorms wouldn't simply be literary references. They would tell Nevermore's secret origin story.

Basically: what happens when Ophelia and Caliban walk into A Midsummer Night's Dream? So, ready for my completely insane theory about Nevermore's first lie? 😉

CALIBAN: the original problem

In The Tempest, Caliban is dangerous, and Prospero eventually subdues him through magic. It's hard not to think about Hydes. They're violent, incredibly powerful, and can transform unpredictably. And we already know what an Outcast community can do to those it considers uncontrollable: look at the Alphas. Werewolves hunt them down and kill them.

So imagine that one of Nevermore's four founders was a Hyde. How do you build a school around Outcast unity when one of your founders might lose control and become a threat to everyone else? Cast him out? Kill him? Or find a way to control him?

OPHELIA / GOODY: the creation of the bond

That's where Goody comes in. Goody practices witchcraft and creates the Nightshades, hidden within Nevermore. Through this echo of the sorcerer and the monster, I think she's the one who initiates the first bond with a Hyde.

Why? That's where I'd leave several possibilities open. A desire for control? Genuine concern for everyone's safety? Maybe the Hyde even consented: “I'm not thrilled about someone controlling me, but if I completely lose my mind, I'd rather Goody stop me than have the others kill me.”

Or maybe Goody and the Hyde loved each other and willingly chose to bind themselves through magic. His uncontrollable impulses are contained, while Goody gets reassurance against her own fears and insecurities. After all, she's a Raven (blind trust and giving up control don't exactly seem to be their specialty).

Protection? Love? Fear? Control? IDk. But Goody accepts the magical or karmic price required. She created the bond. The mutation. The curse.

PUCK: “Why stop there?” 😈

Now we enter A Midsummer Night's Dream. Puck's magic redirects people's desires toward the wrong person. What if Nevermore's Puck did the same thing to Goody's spell? He switches the target.

Accident? Maybe. Personally, I think it was deliberate. Goody has created a way to control Caliban, and Puck represents the other ideology: “Why stop there?” If we can control something this powerful, why only use the bond when he's dangerous? Why not control him completely and turn him into the ultimate weapon for the Outcasts?

Same goal: protect the Outcasts. Completely different limits.

THISBEE / HELENA: accepting the illusion

Thisbe comes from Pyramus and Thisbe, the play performed inside A Midsummer Night's Dream. Thisbee is a woman in love who is willing to do anything, even die for love. And so, behind Thisbee, I also see Helena. Helena desperately wants Demetrius, and magic eventually gives her exactly what she wanted: Demetrius loves her. Except his desire has been magically altered. The illusion gives Helena what she wants, so why reject it?

And I think there are several possibilities for our original Thisbee. Maybe she genuinely loves Caliban more than anything and accepts the corrupted bond because the illusion gives her the man she wants. Or maybe love has nothing to do with it: she shares Puck's ideology and accepts control over Caliban because she believes Hydes should be used to protect the Outcasts.

Or maybe it's both. She supports Puck's vision and gets the man she loves at the same time. Ideology and desire suddenly point in exactly the same direction. Why would she refuse?

And the name Thisbee may add another clue. When Pyramus dies, Thisbe chooses to die too. What if the Master/Hyde bond works like a contract? The Master gains control but accepts a price in return. Perhaps the death of one affects the other, or breaking the bond has consequences. Thisbee binds Caliban, but by accepting the bond, she binds herself to him too.

CALIBAN / DEMETRIUS : the illusion becomes permanent

This is where Caliban also becomes Demetrius. Demetrius's feelings are magically altered in A Midsummer Night's Dream. He ends up loving Helena, and unlike Lysander, his enchantment isn't reversed. He believes he chooses her. But does he?

I think our first Hyde suffers the same fate. Goody's bond is redirected, and what may have begun as a safeguard becomes servitude. Caliban loses his free will.

And suddenly the whole pattern appears:

OPHELIA / GOODY → creates the bond.

PUCK → redirects the bond.

THISBEE→ receives the bond.

CALIBAN→ loses his free will.

And Goody had already agreed to pay the price of her magic, so she pays it anyway. What was that price? An early death? A curse on her bloodline? Maybe. But I keep coming back to madness.

Ophelia is shattered by loss and descends into madness before her death by drowning. If Goody suffered a similar fate, that submerged statue in Nevermore's Quad suddenly becomes incredibly symbolic. Maybe we're not simply looking at Shakespeare's Ophelia, but at the memorial of Nevermore's own Ophelia: Goody, the woman who created the bond, paid its price, and was ultimately destroyed by it.

Nevermore's first great betrayal. And perhaps its first great lie. Pretty ironic for a school whose motto is “Unitas est invicta”: unity is invincible.

SAME TRAGEDY, DIFFERENT PLAYERS ?

And this is where Alfie, Minerva, and Isadora become really interesting. As I already suspect that Isadora is lying about what actually happened, I would flip the roles we've been given. Minerva would be the woman who originally had the genuine bond. Isadora would be the one who wanted what Minerva had and benefited from its manipulation. And Alfie would once again be the Hyde whose will is altered.

Which leaves one final parallel that I love: If Goody Addams is the creator of the bond....Wednesday Addams is the destroyer of the bond?

Idk...but I love the idea.

u/BeMe777 — 1 day ago
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Just thinking more about this scenario..

I think I've said this theory of mine before but I was just thinking about it again because I think it could be interesting, what if we get to the "Wednesday Must Die" arc and Tyler finds out that it's some sort of prophecy and of course he freaks out and questions Wednesday about it, but she kind of just dismisses it and tells them they got to stay focused on the thing at hand, but like the plan she's coming up with is dangerous and he doesn't agree with it.

So we get like a parallel scene of S1 where Tyler betrays her and locks her somewhere maybe a closet or whatever and she's just shocked that from her perspective he betrayed her again, but he tells her that he's lost everyone he's ever cared about so far and he absolutely won't lose her too. 💔 So he goes off with the rest of the nightshades and everyone else who might be apart of the group to stop whatever situation is going on, while keeping Wednesday safe..

But little does he know Wednesday is slowly being possessed by Goody and she eventually escapes and this how we get Goody's reappearance but in Wednesday's body.

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u/MsPlotTwister — 1 day ago
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Iconic Weyler cosplay video now at 8.4 million likes

Weyler Cosplay ⬅️

You know what I love most about this Weyler video? The comments. It’s average viewers, a handful of ‘ship’ people thrown in, but overall it’s average Wednesday viewers loving the canon couple representation. When ‘ship wars’ get dirty, I like to go read the comments of this video and remember that the average Wednesday viewer knows Tyler is (or will be) her partner.

u/RoxyRebels — 2 days ago
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Megathread: The Official Wenclair Complaint

Ok y’all, here we go. This is THE place to dump all your Wenclair-related rants.

So instead of having 300 little posts, here’s ONE big place to scream into the void about annoying comments, weird takes, and ship wars.

Screenshots, spicy drama, “you won’t believe what I just saw” stories - all welcome.
Think of this as group therapy but with more sarcasm.

Only rule: don’t go after real people (drag the behavior, not the humans).

So… what’s been making you roll your eyes lately? Let’s hear it

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u/AutoModerator — 2 days ago
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S3 - Atticus & Tabitha

This post was inspired by previous work done by u/ElvenQueen726, u/BeMe777, u/LizSnow92 and every other person that has created detailed posts in this sub that make the show so much more fun to watch!

  1. The connection of Tabitha and death has already been analyzed by u/ElvenQueen726 and the periwinkles (flower of death) and incense burner shown in the cast announcement video.

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  1. A recent post by u/LizSnow92 about reanimation of corpses as a recurring theme and Death Whisper as an outcast type with resurrective abilities that we have yet to see made me think of Atticus, player by an actor with heterochromia. What if that rare trait was used as a literary device for a person that sees both the underworld and the mortal world at the same time? After all Atticus, the Platonist philosopher, maintained that the soul is immortal and self-moving. Atticus was also a strict Platonist; he believed Plato's teachings were undermined by Aristotle. Atticus is also represented in the feast by a lobster, an animal with biological immortality (or, more accurately, negligible senescence).

I think Atticus is a Death Whisper and a student of Tabitha that resurrected her and follows her ideology.

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  1. We have a theory about ideological differences between outcasts potentially being represented by teams A & B in a post by u/BeMe777.

I did get a weird vibe from S2 and the "Outcast Pride" theme which could represent two different things a. the right of outcasts to exist and thrive or b. their superiority over normies. Hester and Dort sounded a bit closer to option b even though Hester seems to slightly change her stance after finding out about Gomez and being told off by Wednesday.

I think Tabitha, the Doyen of the Nightshade society, will believe in outcast superiority and is in team B with Atticus.

Given Wednesday's familiarity and fascination with death, I could see how she, as a Raven, and Atticus, as a Death Whisper, would get along.

I believe that, at the end, Tyler will sacrifice himself for Wednesday and she may force a Death Whisper to bring him back (if she doesn't descend to the underworld to fetch him herself). After all, coming back to life runs in the family (Isaac/Thing) 🙃

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u/DonnaSummer48 — 2 days ago
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The three methods to unlock a Hyde.

There are three methods to unlock a Hyde: a traumatic event, a chemical drug, and hypnosis. Laurel uses two of the three to master Tyler (a traumatic event via torture and drugging him), while Fran uses only one of the three, hypnosis, to master Tyler.

It is hard to tell which method is the strongest to unlock a Hyde and which one is the weakest. At first, I was going to rule out hypnosis as the weakest one to master a Hyde, becuase Tyler does eventually turn on his mother, but I don't think so anymore becuase you gotta remember, Fran is Tyler's second master, and that got me thinking as well: the more masters you had as a Hyde, the weaker the master bond becomes?

Which method actually got Tyler to Hyde out? We don't know how long Tyler was tortured and drugged. It could've been weeks or a whole month. Was it the torture that got him to break, or the drugs?

As we find out about Fran, the way she was unlocked was by being hit in the face by her father; that is her traumatic event, and it is heavily implied that she immediately Hyde out right after, so a traumatic event can vary from each person, as expected.

At first, did Laurel only use one of the three methods to unlock Tyler? And when she realized it wasn't working, she combined both torture and drugging him to get him Hyde Out faster?

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u/Wide_Donut_8810 — 2 days ago
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Laurel and Agnes being related??

TikTok from: @Wednesdayl0re

Wait.. I never thought of that before.. and now I have 81499 questions!

u/_m3li-wylerfans — 3 days ago
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Each Season’s Big Bad Gets Re-Animated?

They say you can’t keep a good man down. On Wednesday, you can’t keep a good villain dead.

First, homicidal pilgrim Joseph Crackstone was resurrected à la Frankenstein by his descendant Laurel Gates, using the Codex Umbrarüm and some unethically sourced body parts. Then we met Slurp, a zombified Nevermore alumnus whose clockwork heart Pugsley accidentally jump-started. Feeding on mystery-meat sandwiches and later human brains gradually restored him to his original form: Isaac Night, aka Thing’s original body.

As co-showrunner Miles Millar put it: “I will say, in this show, no one is officially dead dead. There’s always a way.”

Which brings us to Season 3 and the possibility of another big bad getting reanimated. The most likely candidate is the mystery character from the cast announcement video, symbolized by an oversized wine bottle bearing a question mark on its label. That bottle may be the clue: alcohol—spirits—hinting that whoever it represents is currently dead. Subject to change, of course.

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With the show promising to dive deeper into Hyde mythology, we can’t ignore Nevermore founder Nathaniel Faulkner, who cataloged outcasts in his diary before being killed by a Hyde—perhaps while trying to master it. A page seemingly torn from that diary can be found on the desk in the Principal’s Office at Wednesday: Eve of the Outcasts. It catalogs a rare type of outcast known as a Death Whisper, capable of killing the living or resurrecting the dead with a Latin incantation.

Faulkner could have persisted as a spirit, appearing to the living as Goody Addams and Principal Weems have, and persuaded a Death Whisper (perhaps one of the Nightshades) to restore him to life.

Bringing back Nevermore’s founder—killed by one kind of outcast and revived by another—would be a fitting twist.

u/LizSnow92 — 2 days ago
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Why do I feel like she was signalling something here?😭

Ok so this is the date scene in Ep 7 and I noticed Wednesday looked at the ground and then back Tyler. Why would she do that? Was she trying to signal something? I mean it’s unlikely but still possible. She was very nervous as you can see in the video bc she knew they were about to kiss.

But yeah what do u think??

u/EmotionHumble7652 — 2 days ago
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Can Tyler sense Thing?

So we know Tyler had heightened senses based on how he was able to always sense Agnes when she was invisible, and also knew Capri was a werewolf when she approached him in the cemetery.
Do we think he can sense Thing as well? Smell his favorite hand lotion? Does that mean Tyler knew it was Thing who really dropped off the invite to the dance in S1?

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u/MoonLove1327 — 3 days ago