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A few months back, JJK got locked down on VSBW for being a bit of a mess iirc. The verse would be fully overhauled by some of the verse supporters, and one of them posted the updated AP scaling page for the verse overhaul: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Rodriiogo/JJKAPRatings

Note that this is still being worked on so this could definitely change, although the most notable change in the overhaul is that the god tiers (Gojo, Sukuna, Daburac and Yuji) are all being bumped up to island level with a baseline of around 4.51 gigatons (and they can get higher with specific techniques)

For reference, Yuji was placed at around 3 megatons for Yuji vs Denji. Denji was placed at 33 gigatons so this upgrade wouldn’t matter too much there lol, but how does this affect Yuji’s other matchups and also the matchups of the other three top tiers?

Random question but I was curious, made a thumbnail with these three since I imagined they were the most likely candidates for this category

Gru has all of his minions and gadgets obviously, also this is just in your opinion and not DB’s stats

I’m not too deep into the debate, but I remember back when the episode was upcoming it was called one of the most debatable matchups yet. And then when the G1 Blog came out, Simon won 15-0 but the team said the matchup was still a 51-49 matchup

But nowadays, usually I see an overwhelming majority of people say that Kyle wins (or even low-diffs) so I’m wondering why the community consensus shifted

And more specifically, what are everyone’s issues with the Death Battle’s verdict and reasoning?

Not taking credit for the snowball since it started with the Eggman vs Giorno post… But my Bowser vs Giorno post spiraled out a LOT, lol

So I thought it’d be interesting to start up a new community chart between Giorno and all of the indie era Death Battle combatants! I’ll start with the 2024 roster, then work my way up as we go

The rules are pretty simple; reply to each character comment with whether you think they can or can’t bypass GER. Every character is given the same forms, equipment, etc. they got in the episode (so Bowser and Eggman have their full armies, the Fall Guy and Impostor are composited, etc.)

The most upvoted comment (with an explanation) decides which category the character goes in

No offense if you recently posted something like this - this isn’t meant to be mean spirited either - it just reminded me of this pattern I’ve seen on like… A third of every single opinions trend post, lol

Genuinely curious, is there anyone here who doesn’t value fight potential over connections? Or like, the core theme / story potential / debatability / etc of a matchup over connections? For how much I’ve seen this take thrown around - and not that I disagree with the idea itself - I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone say the best matchups all need laundry lists of connections or that it’s the #1 aspect

I’ve seen people CARE about connections yeah, but I don’t think that one’s really unpopular here either? I think every matchup to some degree should have connections, at least to the point where you can identify why they’re fighting in the first place

Stuff like Good vs Evil and the sort are exempt from that, but I think having good connections (even if not a massive list of them) is a good thing - and I just don’t think I’ve ever seen someone suggest that all matchups need a massive list of connections, or that it’s the most important part of matchups

Am I wrong here? I really am curious to know if anyone actually feels that connections are the top priority of what a matchup should have

After yesterday, I wanted to counteract a bit of the negativity in my last post with some portrayals of characters which I actually really liked

Joker: I absolutely loved Joker’s portrayal in Joker vs Giorno! While he did get beat up for the first chunk of the fight, it isn’t as bad as everyone says imo. But the moment when Joker gets caught in the infinite death loop and is in the interrogation room, but he manages to escape with all of the Phantom Thieves (and Akechi + Sumire I think?) cheering him on is probably my favorite moment in all of Death Battle. It’s just such a cool moment that I loved to see as a massive Persona fan >!(and I wasn’t deep in the Death Battle community during this time, so I genuinely thought Giorno was gonna win)!< and the following scene where Joker summons Satanael with the “Checkmate” line is also just badass

Bowser: Probably the best characterized on this entire list? It’s a bit hard to lock down why I really like his characterization, but he just kinda oozes with Bowser energy and I can see him saying every single line he drops. I really like how many scenes there are of him caring for his troops, such as him using magic to protect his army from Infinite, him getting enraged and using the Grand Star to wipe out Metal Sonic after he spin dashes through Jr, him jumping in front of his army to block the Death Egg laser from hitting them, etc etc. It’s just so good, and I’m glad that they really focused on this aspect of Bowser since it’s one of his most likable traits that sets him apart from a lot of other villains

Mahito: Should Shigaraki be here instead? Yeah probably. But also… Man, they just nailed Mahito in this episode. I know most people were rooting against Mahito or just wanted to see him die, and while I really liked his death too, I really appreciate how much they just let him ham up the fight prior to being defeated. All the little bits like him going for the kiss attack, his clones grinning and cackling while jumping Shigaraki, him landing the Black Flash with the “WHAT A RUSH!” line as he smiles before transforming, you can tell how much he’s enjoying himself and it really works to showcase his playful nature. This is also a bit of a big claim, but I’d argue that Mahito has the best voice acting in the entire indie era. At the very least, he’s the only character who I actively go back to listen to lines of. (cont.)

(cont.) “Audition over.” “(licking blood off of his sword arm) Did I get the part?” is probably my favorite exchange on Death Battle, it scratches an itch in my brain. The banter is just so good. And then the climax where Mahito uses his Domain Expansion and tries breaking down Shigaraki both physically and mentally as he picks apart his past is such a good way to use his character and show his torment of others. And yeah, Shigaraki breaking the domain and chasing down Mahito while he runs away like a little bitch is also awesome. Shigaraki vs Mahito is just so good, and I was happy to see one of my favorite villains steal the show here (while Shigi also got his moments to shine as well)

Hulk: My favorite aspect about Hulk as a character is his relationship with Bruce Banner and their dynamic together. I did like Hulk vs Doomsday and Hulk vs Broly, but they didn’t really tackle this side of the character which I really like so seeing Bruce be one of the focal points of the episode was really awesome. Hulk also didn’t get sidelined in favor of Bruce, since he was still the one who took down Godzilla’s avatar and was also instrumental in taking down the entity. They just have a really good mix, and Bruce’s monologue of “A million, trillion to one and rising” was cool as hell. I think the way this fight plays out is one of the most unique on the show, and I really enjoyed it. Bruce falling down from the sky and dropping “You did it, big guy. We did it.” is also just the cherry on top

Denji: In contrast to Yuji >!(who I’ve been very vocal about not liking the characterization of, although I wouldn’t like to argue about that here)!<, I think Denji was absolutely the highlight of the episode. They nailed his manic Part 1 energy and let him ham up the fight with his antics, which was absolutely a must for a Denji episode. He probably has the most moments in Death Battle which I can point to and go “HELL YEAH” like the “instant chainsaw death technique” into nut kick, him faking the Domain Expansion into another nut kick, walking through Yuji’s dismantles like Mahoraga, etc. I also like his dialogue when he transforms into Denji-Man where he tells Yuji that he and Pochita are brothers, and that he’ll never keep them apart. I will say that his characterization isn’t too accurate to Part 2? Since there, Denji’s a lot more subdued - although he still has his manic energy from time to time. That’s not too bad though. I think they got the best portrayal of Denji for a Death Battle, and his portrayal here + his analysis is holding the episode together for me despite my issues with Yuji’s handling

Honorable mentions to Ash and Yugi too, I think both of them had excellent characterization in their episode and I really loved Ash’s Ten Million Bolt Thunderbolt moment with Pikachu as well as Yugi taking over the fight from Yami Yugi to close it out

I’d really like to see what other Death Battle portrayals people really loved! :)

Quick explanations for each

Giorno: Despite loving this episode as a massive Persona fan, I’m also a JJBA fan too and Giorno def got the short end of the stick. While he did “aura farm” throughout the episode, that’s also just… Not Giorno? I get that they needed to have him be more antagonistic for the fight set-up to work, but the set-up is also pretty ooc in general since Giorno realistically wouldn’t have a palace. He’s not a super corrupt figure, nor the type of person who Joker would typically go after. I’m not really sure how I’d personally change it, but seeing Giorno with such an antagonistic personality is really strange. Also his analysis was pretty mid compared to Joker’s

Asura: This one’s been talked about to death, I don’t feel like I have much to add on here. Wayyy too aggressive, feels like a mindless brute, etc etc

Reze: Before you comment, I will say that I agree that this was primarily the matchup’s fault. Bakugo clearly wasn’t the best opponent for Reze to really show off… any side of her character, compared to her other options who could dive more into that tragic background and bounce off of it. That being said… I kinda don’t like whenever this is used as a way to defend the portrayal? I mean, it’s not like Death Battle was forced to make Bakugo vs Reze. They weren’t compelled to create the episode and their hands were just tied, they just wanted to make it. And while I’m not saying they SHOULDN’T be able to just make whatever they want, I still don’t really like their decision anyways and I wish they picked another matchup. Regardless, for Reze’s portrayal specifically, I don’t think it was terrible or horribly mischaracterized her compared to the last two. But it’s just really, really basic. Like, the most basic version of Reze you could write. (cont.)

(cont.) I didn’t need a whole sob story therapy session mid-fight, but I feel like Reze as a character presents really good characterization potential for a Death Battle so it kinda fell flat for me. Also, I think Reze ramming through the civilians was pretty weird. Not that she wouldn’t kill people, but she doesn’t really do it without a reason. I think the intention was that she’s getting blood to heal herself with? But she was already healed anyways after biting the blood out of Bakugo. It felt a bit forced in order to have Bakugo drop the “LEAVE THEM OUT OF THIS!” line >!(which I’m also not a fan of either btw? I haven’t watched too much MHA but I feel like, if you wanna target the appeal of an MHA hero vs villain fight, you could’ve had Bakugo saving the civilians instead of just yelling about it to show his heroism. I could be wrong though since I’m not an MHA expert so maybe this would be ooc for him idk)!<. Overall not AWFUL, but I wasn’t a really big fan either and I wish they did another matchup which could better play to Reze’s strengths imo

Yuji: TEN THOUSAND YEARS OF YUJI VS DENJI CHARACTERIZATION ARGUMENTS >!(in all honesty, I’m a little tired of complaining about Yuji’s writing or the episode in general. It kinda stinks since I had a lot of passion for Yuji vs Denji. It was my favorite matchup with two characters I adore - one of them being from my favorite anime - and was also how I got into this community in the first place, and what motivated me to write multiple blogs, art, and a full fight script for it because of how much I loved it. But then the final episode released and I just feel sorta… Eh. I still love the matchup itself, I’d still call it my favorite matchup too, but I’ve lost a lot of passion for it especially since all discussion of the matchup now is just arguing about the scaling or writing of the episode. I’m just exhausted from talking about Yuji vs Denji now and I don’t wanna ramble on about it again. If you love this episode, I’m happy that you enjoyed it. Really. I just kinda can’t.)!< tl;dr “SAY YOUR PRAYERS!” you’re not cold bro 😭🙏

Traveler: Admittedly the character I’m the least knowledgeable about on this entire list. But even as someone who has little knowledge about Genshin Impact or the Traveler, based on my impressions from the episode and what Genshin fans have said about it… Yikes? I was a bit excited to see what his character’s like in the animation, so him not being given any character at all or even any banter was a little jarring to see. I’m pretty sure that’s not how he is in Genshin Impact? From what I’ve heard, he talks a good bit in the game, so I’m not really sure why he was represented the way he was here. Again, I’m not a Genshin fan though, so feel free to tell me if I’m wrong about this one

There might be other characters in the indie era who had iffy portrayals (I’ve heard people complain about Doom Slayer), but I’m not knowledgeable on them to talk about them here. I’d be interested in hearing other people’s thoughts though

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In case anybody was curious about the results of the Bowser vs Giorno post yesterday, I counted the comments (not upvotes, like the OG tournament’s rules) and made this quick edit for the results

I might’ve miscounted though since it was a one vote difference, but it seemed like there were more comments supporting Giorno while Bowser’s votes just got more upvotes than Giorno’s votes

Here’s the original post if you wanna check

I’m not affiliated with the other person’s tournament at all actually, I just thought - after seeing the major consensus of Eggman vs Giorno being an Eggman win - that it might be interesting to see if people think Eggman’s opponent could handle him too

Same rules as Goobasaurus1’s tournament, Bowser has his full army and arsenal here as well. I don’t think I’ll make a follow up post, I’m just interested to see what the public consensus on this is

I’m actually rooting for Kai I just think the Tahu agenda is much funnier than his

I know that Ninjago has outerversal arguments for its cosmology and god tiers like the First Spinjitzu Master, but does Kai have any way to scale to them?

It’s not too important for his physical stats since I’m pretty sure most people already agree on Kai having an extreme AP advantage, tho it probably matters for something like speed since I’m pretty sure the FSM has immeasurable arguments

>!Also I know Ninjago being outerversal is contentious lol, just curious about Kai’s scaling in-verse!<

That G1 Blog was crazy dude, I really didn’t think they were going to buy star level Ozai

A few months ago I said I was bored and made a post asking for a matchup to draw. I kinda pushed it off and forgot about it, though… But I finally ended up getting around to it, so here’s some Asriel vs Homura art for my friend WilburDrake! :D

Honestly pretty excited, this seems like a fun MU

I still don’t know what’s fully going on lol, I just wanted to make some art for the ongoing war

Inspired by another post I saw here

Obviously, this is all in a fight

Source is from here

I was originally rooting for Superboy-Prime despite being a bit more knowledgeable of Sentry because I thought it could have better ending potential of SBP putting down the Void or something like that

But after reading the new Sentry comic, I’ve pivoted around and now I just don’t wanna see Sentry die in general. Bob’s a super cool character and he’s just put through the wringer😭, I really hope he wins

I’ve done… I think four of these now? I just wanted to jump on the trend before it was over, I probably won’t be making another one of these lol

I’m free to explain any of my takes in the replies, although I don’t wanna get into a lengthy debate about them since those stress me out a bit