u/BuffRiv3n

Yo, im looking up what the kr players are doing and i see 1 thing which is very common. almost all of them rush mostly dd first/maw vs heavy ap. has anyone tried this, if yes, is it good?

Black Cleaver + Eclipse doesnt properly apply its stacks when W is the ability to proc eclipse.
Normally, eclipse damage should and does apply a cleaver stack, so doing aa q gives 3 cleaver stacks even tho you hit the enemy twice, 1 aa 1 ability, and eclipse's damage applies anotherone.
However if you do aa w, the damage from eclipse doesnt apply a stack.

Minor bug but might actually have a big impact on damage regarding a full combo with those 2 items.

my go to combo usually is ER - > AA -> Doublecast WQ. in this order, instead of having 3 stacks on the enemy i'd have 2.

I recently started playing a few matches casually to see how the game is doing, and i really dont like how people play this champion atp. I'm reading posts in the sub about riven saying "shes good, just play for 3 items" when in the past you were the stongest champion level 1 with longsword 3 pots. Playing this champion to scale is the most degenerate thing ever since not having a stong laning phase with her is aids since every toplane champion outsustains you so you're forced to lose waves or force proxies to get out of shitty situations. All that to have a mediocre midgame where true scaling champions can destroy you if they have braincells. Might as well go second wind dorans shield with teleport just to make it to 2 items. Thats how this champion feels and everyone who says otherwise is in deep denial. I'm ofc talking about toplane not mid. I'm not sure about midlane for her i dont really enjoy it so I'm not up to date with it. Anyways, im open to replies.