u/Candypillow1

in my opinion they are in the grey area between the two poles agp and hsts ....similar to extremely metattracted agp ...the gaygp instead is basically an hsts , so androphilic but lacking autoandrophilia ...this contributes to the interest of gaining some feminine sexual carachteristics...i have an mtf friend who is perfectly an example of gaygp....she is clearly androphilic because she had sex with hundreds of men ...and to have sex with hundreds of men you MUST BE androphilic by definition ... even the most metattracted agp i highly doubt would ever be willing to have sex with this large amount of men..however she got breast implants and she was obsessed with enlarging her areolas and nipples using noogle berry and breast pump ( which is an agp thing ) she said she was excited when her areolas got larger....this is a clear example that shows how some hsts can develop strang some anatomical agp traits....however this is not a real autogynephilia , but more like a pseudo form of autogynephilia ...because hsts completely lacks the ability of autosexuality ..they are extremely externally attracted people pleasing and allophilic. ...so the excitement described by my friend in enlarging her areolas is not something autosexual but clearly something related to the capacity to attracting men ....something similar to what cis straight women experience when they feel attractive......always remember that ...a self focused sexuality isnt autosexuality like we agp are

have you ever considered the fact that maybe the repulsion from our own masculinity stems from being so extremely masculine.....so transition becomes a way to gain some femininity as we miss it so much

what makes a man masculine....is it the going to the gym maxing your muscles? is it hanging out with the bros. ? doing man things.....?

all those things are autoandrophilic things..... i'll tell you people

autoamdrophilia is not real masculinity....is mimicking masculinity 

all those masculine gay bros are only mimicking something that they are lacking inside themselves : the gynephilic attraction is the core basis of masculinity

and agp are paradoxically extremely gynephilic

we have what gay bros desire so much......the core masculinity

i made this reflection after i met a gay trans guy ...who shared his feelings...and gosh by his description it was so evident he was a complete feminine brain female inside.... zero interest for things...gears....only imterest for social themes...extreme attraction to masculinity....and repulsion for the breast and all feminine traits....attraction to body hair, moustache, beard..and for masculine bodies interactions like nude fighting, .....he was literally a lady in the brain...living the opposite situation.....when you are so female inside you then need to search for masculinity in order to balance your mismatch of energy....what do you think

Do you perceive yourself extremely males... and do you perceive yourself so far away from femininity.?

Everything men complain about regarding women and everything women complain about regarding men is often the exact same thing that drives the attraction in the first place.

The "illogical" nature, the intense emotional depth, the utter unpredictability... it frustrates us, but it also hypnotizes us. Why? Because it represents a world completely different from our own.

Attraction is powered by polarity. It’s the contrast of opposites:

 The physical: Smoothness versus roughness, soft curves versus sharp muscle, high-pitched voices versus deep tones.

 The presence: The intricate elegance of feminine style versus the functional simplicity of masculine wear.

 The raw anatomy: The fundamental difference between what’s between your legs and what’s between theirs.

We are desperately attracted to femininity precisely because, as men, we are so far removed from it.

Unless you are completely absorbed by that energy, you will always remain on the outside looking in. Sadly, many are condemned to spend their entire lives subjugated by this longing—forever chasing an alterity they can never truly possess from the inside.

It makes you wonder: if reincarnation is real, maybe the ultimate desire isn't to spend another lifetime chasing femininity from the outside, but to finally be reborn as a woman and experience it from within.

projection happens when you experience agp earlier as a child before you realize you are attracted to women ...you already see a beautiful woman or some gender bending transformation scene on tv or media... and you project your desire to be or become a woman on the subject who has been transformed or to the female carachter herself......Agp who realize they want to be females before realising that they are attracted to women ...are more prone to develop meta attraction to men ...because here the autosexuality manifested years before their allosexual attraction to women ,therefore they desire become women stronger than desiring having sex with them as they have been triggered since childhood into cross dreaming fantasies

the fusion instead happens later or at the same time when the subject is aware of his sexual attraction ..generally during puberty...ths is what happens to many gay trans guys or the so called agp transbian.....basic their desire to become to the opposite sex and their attraction to the opposite sex are experienced together...therefore there is a fusion between becoming what you love and desiring what you love....they are less prone to become metattracted to their same sex ..because they are also less anallophilic...they want less to become ..lesser than the projectors ...but they still want to become the other sex in order to be homosexuals

in order to be autogynephilic you MUST be gynephilic ...there is not autogynephilia without core attraction,erotic attraction to the female body and the feminine...and the theory that majority of women are autosexual is nonesense....women will never be aroused by having large breast or menstruation. or wearing lingerie ,they are not anallophilic theyre erotic target is outward and by large amount is directed towards men

they are not pushed by gynephilia ...they are motivated by androphilia ...yes if they wear a nice laced bra they can feel hot , thats because they perceive themselves attractive and they imagine the effect they must generate on the man they are attracted to ....ultimately their erotic target ..is outward located , and in 80% of cases ..is a man ...

and because majority of women in this planet are heterosexual ( androphilic ) at least 80% based on sexual orientation surveys ...it means that at least around 80% of women are not agp....

which means that potentially only bisexual women and lesbians or at least some of them maybe have some sorr of agp but still it will never be like a biologicl male agp and still we are making speculation..because there arent studies about this

agp male sexuality is completely different from female straight sexuality...thats is so simple..it sound so bad be cause we want to be sinilar to women....we are not .....we are born males and gynephilic ...we want to become like women because we literally dont understand them ..we are on the opposite side of what women are....this is the reason why heterosexual love originates...because the opposite atttact each other...when we are captured by stunning feminine beauty remember .this is because we perceive her as the opposite of ourselves...and we are attracted by our opposite.....this is what being extremely heterosexual means after all ...you are completely captured by your own opposite pole ..we wouldn't be so viscerally attracted to femininity if we were similar to women after all ..femininity is far away from us.....after all if you desire desperately something...is always because you miss it or you dont have it

you never desire desperately something that you already have or are or possess

either you are autosexual heterosexual or either you are autosexual homosexuals.....people aroused by their own image are auto homosexuals ....

people who are repulsed by their own image resulting in gender dysphoria are auto heterosexual

gender expression follow the same logic:

normal allosexual people use their body as a mean for an end...the end is attracting someone external to themselves....their erotic target is not replaced by themselves ..

that is why straight cis women cannot have AGp ...ultimately their end is to attract someone , and rhey do not replace themselves as their own erotic target...they use make up , surgery .. to attract someone else ....the fact that they are aroused by feeling desirable ..doesn't mean they have AGP,because ..still , they use their body as a mean to an end ..the end is not simply having a female or feminine body or make their body more feminine...

an agp man doesn't follow the same motivation..it may seems ..but is not the same..is quite different because agp is anallosexual

and for anallosexual ( autosexual people ) ..you body , your gender expression is not a tool or a mean ...is actually the end itself

my dysphoria is almost all about my body size and frame...a small frame , a lesser height...smaller and thin bones ,is what i always wanted... the less space you occupy the less power you exert to others....the less a threat you are perceived to be as well

it seems that men with agp want desperately to be perceived the opposite of a threat...we want to feel perceived as vulnerable....because vulnerability is a tremendous power.....a man goes completely in crash when he sees a beautiful small woman ....the need to protect her kicks in .and she can easily conquer him and gain his attention by simply wavering her vulnerability in front of him

isnt this what we want too?

"It feels like a conflict between two opposing desires: one highly fetishized, the other deeply instinctual.

Naturally, when you are attracted to a woman, you feel an instinctive need to impress her and show your best self. However, many men harbor a persistent feeling of inadequacy—a sense that they are inherently uninteresting and have nothing unique to offer. This stems from an intense idealization and idolization of femininity, to the point of worshipping 'the feminine energy' as something divine. In comparison to this idealized goddess, a man can end up feeling utterly worthless, stripped of his masculine ego and deeply inferior.

Paradoxically, this is precisely where the emasculation fetish hooks in. It thrives on a woman teasing and mocking you for not being 'man enough.' What happens when this powerful goddess finally grants you her attention, but does so by delivering the final blow to your already fragile masculinity? When she openly prefers a stronger, more assertive, and dominant man over you, it triggers a strange sense of liberation

Hearing the woman you desire call you a 'sissy' or deem you unworthy of being a valid partner is undeniably dehumanizing. Yet, it feels like a psychological release as if you can finally say to yourself: 'At last, the only way I can get her attention is by becoming a joke to her.' In this light, emasculation acts as a psychological 'chilling area.' It is a space where you can finally stop fighting and rest, abandoning the exhausting struggle of trying to attract someone you have placed on an unreachable pedestal.

Why do these two opposing desires coexist? And why does this resonate so deeply? Because, ultimately, it feels like the driving force behind wanting to interact with women is the craving for that exact confirmation: the arousal of having them validate your own sense of unworthiness."

and how poorly outcomes can bring being agp, late ,and blokes

external motivated people like hsts , do not waste time..they do it..their motivation is so clear..so explosive..so logical ..so calculated , so purposeful , so utilitarian.

Internal motivation ,instead ,take time....is hidden , it grows with time...is unclear from the outside ...it become explosive only when its usually late....too late for some , it doesnt follow any logical strategy ( ex : im a bloke , i will never pass as a woman ..i will transition regardless) ...literally no any purpose , no any social utility

i wish i had an external motivation

feeling like they are writing to a woman ..you ...exchanging hot pictures? feeling in your feminine enegy when exchanging ideas or conversations or even better , they chat with you because you are a trans woman and maybe they are married or engaged with a cis woman and you are their secret fantasy , their distraction ? do you feel good in flirting with men online? if yes and if you did it or do it quite regularly or done more than one time mcongrat ..then you are meta attracted confirmed

who is born before..the chicken or the egg

literally autogynephilia has nothing sense...even homosexuality can be framed as variant of a common sexual orientation which is heterosexuality.....,but this ? what the shit is this ....heterosexuality inversion...do you realize that this condition is outside common comprehension? an heterosexual person would better understand an homosexual than someone who claims to be inversely heterosexual.......having a condition which is half unknown by majority of people and when the other half of the population is divided between the ones who want to weaponised it against ours and the others who deny its existence...this is so fucking depressive and frustrating...mother fucking nature is a sadistic bitch

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Both HSTS and meta-attracted AGP trans women share a common outcome — they are unable to function as heterosexual males — but the underlying mechanisms driving this are fundamentally different in nature.

The HSTS is too strongly attracted to masculinity to sustain a heterosexual male role. ( the more youre attracted the less you want to compete ) .This is an external motivator: her orientation pulls her toward men, making it impossible to maintain the outward identity of a straight man. Crucially, she does not necessarily experience deep aversion to her male body — the drive toward transition is relational and sexual, oriented outward.

The meta-attracted AGP, on the other hand, could theoretically function as a heterosexual male in the external sense — she is capable of outward-directed attraction to femininity. However, the fundamental obstacle is internal: a profound mismatch between her sense of self and her male body. The heterosexuality is, in Blanchard’s framing, redirected inward — toward the ideation of herself as a woman. While social repression is possible, it comes at significant psychological cost, because the core conflict is not with the external world but with the body and self-image.

Until a few years ago, I was like many people here: a devoted believer in the idea that patriarchy was the root of society’s problems. I saw patriarchy everywhere. It was portrayed as the ultimate enemy, something that had to be dismantled not only for the benefit of women, but for men as well.

Over time, however, I began to question that narrative. What I discovered was not that patriarchy is flawless, but that matriarchal dynamics can be just as toxic, and often far more subtle. Unlike patriarchy, which is highly visible, constantly criticized, and easy to identify, toxic matriarchy tends to operate beneath the surface.

It can be found in countless families where emotionally controlling mothers raise their sons—and sometimes their daughters—to remain dependent, insecure, and unable to develop genuine autonomy. Rather than encouraging independence, they treat their children as extensions of themselves, maintaining emotional control through guilt, obligation, and psychological dependence.

Many of these women are deeply emotionally unstable, yet they possess a powerful social shield: motherhood itself. In my region there is an old Venetian saying: “Mi te go fato, mi te desfo” — “I made you, and I can unmake you.” The toxic matriarch often invokes her status as the one who gave life in order to diminish, manipulate, or maintain a symbiotic bond with her children

I see toxic matriarchy as a liquid spilled across a table. Left unchecked, it spreads in every direction, overflowing boundaries and creating disorder. To contain that instability, strong structures and clear limits are required.

could extend this argument further by examining what might be called the “Cybelian logos”—a symbolic order centered on the Great Mother archetype rather than the Father. In such a framework, emotional fusion replaces individuation, dependency replaces autonomy, and the maternal principle becomes the dominant organizing force of the psyche.

From this perspective, toxic matriarchy does not merely influence social structures; it shapes identity itself. The son is not encouraged to separate from the mother and develop an independent masculine self. Instead, he remains psychologically entangled within the maternal sphere, unable to establish a clear boundary between his own identity and the emotional demands imposed upon him.

Some theorists might argue that, in extreme cases, this failure of masculine identification can have profound psychological consequences. Rather than identifying with masculine models, authority figures, or paternal ideals, the individual remains oriented toward the maternal principle as the central source of validation and meaning.

Within this interpretive framework, one could hypothesize that certain men who experience autogynephilic fantasies may have grown up in environments where the development of a stable masculine identity was hindered by an overbearing or emotionally engulfing maternal presence. The maternal figure may have unconsciously discouraged separation and individuation, making identification with masculinity difficult while fostering an excessive psychological investment in the feminine.

what are your opinion and was your mother a matriarchal devoted of cybele in symbolic terms .?

because when you are autosexual you are more receptive and and you are excited if someone initiate and approach you ...and at this point is less important if the person who initiate or approach you is male Or female ...if youre receptive you can be simply attracted by reciprocating the attention...

well is just my supposition, I guess there are bisexuals who enjoy the initiative and penetrative role with both males and females.... that would disprove my assertion

what is your opinion about ?

Especially if youre a no one or average man with nothing exceptional in appearance and status,i always felt like women never found me interesting, as i have nerdy introvert interests like music creation that majority of women would find boring...like if i never had something to stands out to impress them ...this is the burden of being gynephilic after all.... is like if you perceive them like perfect creatures ..you want to make good impression to the woman you fall in love ..so that she will choose you ...if there is a button that will make me loose all my interest in women instantly i would press it right away ,right now ....its so exhausting being attracted to women ...i would much prefer have been 100% auto gyne ...instead or clearly androphilic