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In this part of Miraculers places of living I am going to look at Alya's house.

In some episodes for example "Confrontation" like on the image we see that it lies basically next to the school, Place des Vosges and Marrinette's house.

Now keep in mind that Miraculous obviously scales for animation purposes so in the show everythings is compressed, this is not the only case of it for example: The Grand Paris hotel in the show is very close to Place du Châtelet when in real life those places or much further apart.

So Alya lives somwhere in the 3rd arrondissement of Paris as her house live north and west to Place des Vosges.

In this part of Miraculers places of living I am going to look at Mylené.

Finding out where she lives is quite easy as her house is inspired by an actuall building at Rue des Martyrs in the 9th arrondissement of Paris, France.

Her home lies on the Rue Victor Massè.

Chloe's "redemption" was never planned, Zoé was very likely always supposed to be the bee miraculous holder, here's why:

Whenever we see a start of what we could consider a redemption arc for a character It's almost always sucesfull, meawhile chloe's wasn't and honestly I like it, not everyone can be redeemed especially if they don't want to become a better person and witheout it redemtion is impossible.

Notice how whenever she was supposed to "get better" she never really did and it's because she never realized one thing, why should she change.

chloe never understood why she shouldn't do what she did, she never felt bad about what she did.

She only did good things because:

1. She was forced to (for example in Despair bear)

2. When she was a superhero she only did that because it's fun to have super powers, she never cared about the people she was saving, to her people thinking about her as a great superhero and being able to show off was a million times more important than actually saving people. (For example when she venom'ed a train driver just so she could show off even if she was endengering lives of hundrets of people).

Notice how she never changed for the better for 99% of time, she still bullied people, she still got enjoyment seeing others suffer, she still didn't understand why she should be better.

And I think that those moments were sings that she won't change, her redemption was likely never planned, it was never supposed to happen.

And again it's a good thing she wasn't redeemed, not everyone can and we rarely get such a situation in any piece of fiction.

Also Zoé was very likely always planned to be the bee miraculous holder, there is a storyboard of Vesperia's ransformation sequance from 2018, and it is very similar to the final one so I wouldn't be suprised if Zoé as a character was created much earlier like circa 2016, maybe even earlier.

Also did you ever notice how short and unpolished Queen Bee's transformation sequance is? (Like compared to Vesperia's transformation sequance Queen Bee's is only half as long) It's very reminiscent of transformations of Miraculous holders that were temporary like:

- Aspik

- Canigirl

- Multimouse (to a lesser degree but still)

- Mayura

They very likely didn't give her longer and more polished transformation because they knew from the start that she is only a temporary holder.

Also the final script for "Sole Crusher" was finalized on the 9th of November 2018, the 1st version was finalized on 14th September 2018, before Queen bee even debuted, and that's the episode script, remember Zoé as a character would have to be created even earlier like circa 2016/2017 aka before season 3 finale even got it's 1st script on the 5th of September of 2017.

Now Yes I know that miraculous does take a long time to produce an release but I feel like the situation here is a bit diffrent, the early seasons of miraculous were much simpler, less character arcs, more formulaic stories so it obviously took less time to produce a miraculous episode then than it does now, like for example in 2012 miraculous was still in 2d, 3 years later the 1st season was fully animated in 3d and ready to air, so It is very likely that Queen's battle was aready created in about early to mid 2016 and Zoè as a character was first conceptualized shortly after in like mid 2016, maybe a bit earlier especially as 2 years later she would be in a design very closed to the final one.

And even just in the context of the story Cloe wasn't replaced with Zoe, why? Because they don't fill the same role.

Can a character in a piece of fiction be replaced? Absolutely but let's ask, what does it mean to replace a character with another one? Well, in simplicity it means to change one character for another one that fils the same role.

Do Zoe and Chloe fill the same role in the story? Well, no.

The only role they shared was being the Bee miraculous holder, that's it all the shared was the miraculous they used and they were very diffrent holders, let's just look at what role in the story they fill? :

● Chloe's role is being a minor villain, mostly to the main characters in their civilian forms, and she fits that role well, she was a rich daughter of a corrupt politician, a good minor villian witheout any superpowers but with money and influence.

● Zoe's role is harder to define especially as she had much less time to develop as a character but her main role is mostly being an opposion to injustice, to unpunished evil, we saw her devoloped into that type of character since her first apperance:

- in the beggining she was rather passive, not trying to interviene in anything because she just didn't belive she could, she prefered to just do what she needed to do to be left in peace but she slowly started to changed.

- first she just started to just silently oppose when she stoped pretending to be bad just so that chloe would leave her in peace.

- later she gained more confidence when she became a superhero, but that was just the start after that she still stayed mostly passive but then the 2nd breakthrough came, in kwami's choice where she directly standed up to chloe and gained more confidence thanks to plag.

- We later see that her new gained confidence in adoration where we saw that her being able to stand up to chloe wasn't just a one time thing but an actuall change that stayed, we also saw how much she isn't afraid to be herself and hide any part of herself when she declared her love to Marrinette while knowing that it's a guarantee that she doesn't reciprocate her love.

- Then she as the only one tried to talk to and understand Sabrina.

- Finally when she felt hopeless again she jumped into action instead of ignoring anything.

Basically Chloe and Zoe don't share anything as characters besides the miraculous the use and them being related, so Zoe isn't a chloe replacement because she fills a totally diffrent role, if anything it's Ray that is a chloe replacement.

In this part of finding out Miraculers place's of living I am going to find out where Nathaniel lives.

This is overall a very easy place to find a It's next to the Notre - Dame Cathedral as we can see in The Ruler from Nathaniel's room window, at that angle it must mean that Nathaniel's house is to the south and a bit to the east of it, With that disance it has to be on the oposite bank of the seine which means that Nathaniel's house is at 3513 Quai de Gesvres in the 4th arrodissement of Paris.

In this part of Miraculer's places of living I am going to take a look at Sabrina, She is overall the 1st character I am taking a look in this series that doesn't live in or near a very easy to locate place but there are still clues:

- Sabrina's house lies next to the Canal Saint-Martin which primarilly flows through the 10th arrondissement of Paris but also streches into the 11th and 19th arrondissements.

- Sabrina's house looks like architecture found mostly in the 10th arrondissement so this is where she lives.

- The house's number is 16 bis, in building A of a residence

So this is the first time where I can't point a specific adress for a miraculer as I can't find that specific adress so all we know is that Sabrina lives in the 10th arrondissement of Paris next to the Canal Saint - Martin, most likely in the 10th arrondissement of Paris so that's where I am placing her.

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Btw. If someone still for some reason didn't hear of it the civil war theory says that the Miraculers are going to split into 2 oposite factions.

So I was recently thinking about the civil war theory that circulates in the fandom more or less since season 6 realease and I started wondering, if the Miraculers really split into 2 factions how would akuma battle's work during it? Would they fight together or would each team try fighting sepretly, would episodes mostly still had the same structure of 1 akuma battle + a story not related/loosely related to the akumatized villian or would they change? Would we see actual fights between the miraculer's?

Also how would the side witheout Ladybug deal with damage made during the fight? Because normally Miraculous Ladybug fixes everything so the heroes don't have to worry about the damadge they make during battles but in this case one side wouldn't have Ladybug to fix everything, obviously assuming that the usuall format would stay the same in a lot of parts.

Dealing with the akuma itself wouldn't be the problem you can just destroy it and the heroes would have plenty of tools for it: Cat coir can just cataclysm them, Vesperia can paralyze them with Venom and I guess they would store them somwhere, Ryuko could kill it with a lightning bolt.

So Overall how would you handle it if the theory turned out to be true?

In this part of the Miraculers places of living I am going to look at Felix who recently moved to Paris in Lady Chaos.

Now we see that Felix'es house window is in front of the Eiffel tower, very close to it, we don't see the Seine in that shot but we see the Eiffel tower from a corner and there are only 2 places where that house could be:

- South east of the tower.

- North east of the tower

The reason is because the closes houses from which you could see the tower from the North west and South west of it would be across the seine and that would be too far to see it from such a close distance.

It could be any of them so I just have to choose and I am choosing the South east corner as unilke other places nothing will abstruct the view or the Eiffel tower (at least from the top floors).

So Felix'es new apartment is on Avenue Charles Floquet, near Kagami's house.

And honestly it makes a lot of sense, Felix would very likely want to live close to his girlfriend.

In this part of Miraculers places of living I am going to look at Kagami.

Now from the window of her house we can see the Eiffel tower and looking at tge angle it has to lie south of it as the seine is on left of the tower on the Picture and In real life seine is on the western side of the tower.

So the Tsurugi mansion needs to lie on the southern side of the tower bit a bit futher so that it can be visible from the mansions window.

So that means that the Tsurugi mansion lies on 8 Avenue de Suffern where Èmillie Anthoine stadium lies in real life.

In this part about Miraculers living places I am going to take a look at Juleka and Luka (before he moved to Brazil).

• Now Juleka and Luka live (or in Luka's case lived) on Liberty, a boat owned by Anarka, and we see it docked in diffrent places over the course of the show so I am just going to mark them in a random spot on the seine, I may move them on the map if I will put a diffrent character on the bank of the river in that place so that they won't overlap.

As I said before Liberty frequently changes position.

-In "Captain Hardrock", the boat was docked on the right bank of the Seine, near the TVi Tower.

- In "Frozer", the boat was docked on the right bank of the Seine, facing the Square du Vert-Galant.

- In "Silencer", the boat was docked on the left bank of the Seine, in front of the TVi Tower.

- In "Desperada" and "Action", the boat was docked on the right bank of the Seine, near the Trocadéro.

- In "Félix" and "Perfection", the boat was docked on the right bank of the Seine, near the Place du Châtelet.

- In "Truth" and "Lies", "Determination", and "The Final Day" the boat was docked in the Canal Saint-Martin.

- In "Sole Crusher", the boat was docked on the right bank of the Seine, near the Le Grand Paris.

- In "Crocoduel" and "Migration", the boat was docked on the north pier of the Île de la Cité, in front of the Collège Françoise Dupont.

- In "Action" the boat was docked near the Eiffel tower.

So overall I am just going to mark them in the place on the Seine where they aren't going to overlap with anyone in the future (at least according to the reasearch I did up to this point).

I am wondering about one thing tho? How do they come home from school if Liberty changes position so frequently? Like do they just have to call Anarka every day and ask where did she put their house today?

So I made a mistake in part 2 and accidentally marked Season 4 and 5 Zoé at Grand Palais instead of the Grand Palais hotel, here is how it should be.

Zoé in Season 4 and 5 Lives in the Grand Palais hotel which lies on 4 Rue de Valois, 75001 Paris 1st Arrondissement.

In season 6 she moves to the fictional La Sorbonne cinema which actually lies where in real life the Le Champo cinema lies in the 5th Arrondissment of Paris.

Zoé's adress in season 6 is 51 Rue des Écoles, 75005 Paris, 5th Arrondissement.

Season 4 and 5 is marked by Zoé in her season 4 and 5 design.

Season 6 is marked by Zoé's season 6 design.

In the 3rd part of Figuring out Miraculers place's of living I am going to look at Adrien, now this Is very tricky as the Agreste mansion obviously doesn't exist in real life but we see that it is close to some known landmarks.

But before that, It turns out that I made some mistakes:

- I put Zoe (season 4 - 5) on Grand palais instead of Grand palais hotel.

- Marrinete actually lives in a diffrent part of paris next to Place des vosges.

Overall, thanks to people that spotted this and corrected me.

So, what do we know about the Agreste mansion placement:

- It's next to Place du Châtelet

- It's next to the Grand Palais hotel

This means that it lies next to the Grand Palais hotel.

Important thing: In season 1 the mansion was often shown to be in front of the Eiffel tower which is incorrect, the Eiffel tower is on the other part of Paris.

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So in the last post I deduced where does marrrinette live in Paris, and I was a bit mistaken and placed her on the wrong side of the river and got comments about it so I corrected it, Marrinnete is now marked on the correct bank of the Seine.

In this post I am going to point to a place of living of another character: Zoé, now why not Adrien 2nd? Well, It's hard to point out where does he live due to the Agreste mansion not being real and not being able to fit into real life Paris witheout replacing another building so I decided to postpone him.

An Important thing: Zoe moves between seasons 5 and 6 so I will mark her Season 4 and 5 place of living with her picture from seasons 4 and 5 and how Season 6 place of living with her season 6 picture.

For the rules:

- All of these posts aren't going to be 100% accurate, Paris is a big city and finding out exact building for some characters I nearly impossible, In such cases I am going to give you apporoximate locations (so like which arrondissement of Paris, maybe which street etc.) Although thankfully most characters houses can be placed quite accuratelly just based on the landmarks around their houses.

- The map has The Eiffel tower, Arc de thriomphe and the Louvre marked for refrance.

- Not everything will be 100% show accurate because miraculous world Paris isn't a 1:1 recreation of real life Paris, sometimes I will need to put a Miraculer's home in place of a diffrent already existing building.

- I will mark their places of living locations on a map, Although keep in mind that my photho editing skils aren't the best and It's not gonna be a exact precise location to a meter.

- For characters that move during the show I will put on both locations and designate which one is for which time period.

- No characters which home's we never saw or of whoose places of living are impossible to be localized in what part of Paris do the live. (For now, If any of those places will be reavealed in the future I will continue) I will save characters that live outside of Paris for last.

So for Zoè:

- In season 4 and 5 Zoe lives alongside Andre, Audry and chloe in the Grand Palais hotel which is an actuall real lif place in the 8th Arrodisment of Paris next to the river seine on the 7th Avenue Winston Churchill street, so that is Zoé's adress in seasons 4 and 5.

- On the other hand in Season 6 we see that Zoé along with Andre moved to the top of the Sorbonne cinema, Inspired by real life Le Champo of 51 Rue des Écoles in the 5th Arrondissement of Paris, I've gotta say that finding this was a bit tricky as there are a lot of cinemas near Sorbonne but I have been able to narrow it down to that specific one due to how similarilly it looks: The Door is on the corner, The front of the cinema sticks out from the rest of the building, there is one small caviot tho: Steps, Real life Le Champo has a few steps in the front when Sorbonne in the show doesn't have any.

So Zoé's adress is: 51 Rue des Écoles, 75005 Paris.

Edit: I accidentally marked Zoé (Season 4 - 5) at Grand Palais instead of the Grand Palais hotel, In future posts this will be corrected on the map.

So I recently thought: Where do the Miraculers live in Paris? Like what part or Paris? At which street? So I decided to just do the reasearch and find out myself and share it with you, one post is obviously not enought for everything so I decided to split it, 1 Miraculer per post, generally I am going to be posting this 1 character per 1 or 2 days, depending on how much time I have.

For some important rules:

- All of these posts aren't going to be 100% accurate, Paris is a big city and finding out exact building for some characters I nearly impossible, In such cases I am going to give you apporoximate locations (so like which arrondissement of Paris, maybe which street etc.) Although thankfully most characters houses can be placed quite accuratelly just based on the landmarks around their houses.

- The map has The Eiffel tower, Arc de thriomphe and the Louvre marked for refrance.

- Not everything will be 100% show accurate because miraculous world Paris isn't a 1:1 recreation of real life Paris, sometimes I will need to put a Miraculer's home in place of a diffrent already existing building.

- I will mark their places of living locations on a map, Although keep in mind that my photho editing skils aren't the best and It's not gonna be a exact precise location to a meter.

- For characters that move during the show I will put on both locations and designate which one is for which time period.

- No characters which home's we never saw or of whoose places of living are impossible to be localized in what part of Paris do the live. (For now, If any of those places will be reavealed in the future I will continue) I will save characters that live outside of Paris for last.

So for where Marinnete lives:

●We see that her house has direct view on:

- The river Seine

- The Eiffel tower

- The Notre - Dame Cathedral

from her Room's window.

So from that I deduced that she needs to live next to the Place Du Trocadero in the 16th Arrondissement of Paris,

there even is a apartment there that looks just like her's so it's very likely that the writers took inspiration from real life Paris when creating the enviroment for the show, now there are some diffrences like the tree's in from of the building but as I said before Miraculous Paris isn't a 1:1 recreation of real life Paris so this Is where I am going to place Marrinete's house so that's means that she lives between Georges Mandel Avenue and d'Eylau Avenue.

The more I think about it the more stupid it seems.

There is so many factors to why this plan is so dumb and not thought out:

1. The idea of learning ladybug's identity throught going back in time to learn it seems like a good idea but that's if we disregard an important assumption in this plan, that Lila would know who actually is the person behind Ladybug's mask, she only took a notebook so all she could is write that person's name as there was no time to sketch even her face or write out all of her important features regarding her apperance, like why didn't she bring a camera or a phone to take a picture or record a video? I get that she might have already suspected marrinete but wouldn't it be better to just take a camera in case it was someone she didn't know?

Now Ladybug is marrinette but when she was making the plan Lilia didn't know that so why did she thought that a notebook would be enough?

2. Finding out who that person is and where she lives would be impossible, remember paris has millions of inhabitants, finding out where does ladybug live would be impossible, even if she knew how ladybug looks in her civilian form how would she know where does she live to be able to steal the miraculous?

3. Not taking Bunnyx into account, Lila knows that Alix in Bunnyx and that she is supposed to gurd the Rabitt miraculous and keep the timeline in check, why didn't she take her into account? Like Bunnyx knows about everything that happened untill the moment she is in (Althought not the future as we learn in the sence where she plays chess with Adult and Old Bunnyx) so also about Lila spying on Marrinete.

Overall Lila's plan from the Lindon special was so stupid because it's useless witheout:

- Her knowing Ladybug in her civilian form.

- Her being able to learn where does Ladybug live.

- Her assuming that Bunnyx won't interfere which is stupid because she did that in the past, once publicly in Timetagger (granted it was Adult bunnyx but still Bunnyx).

I was always thinking about it, because for most of these characters we already know of who they want to become in the future, Marrinete want's to be a fashion designer, Zoè want's to be an actress etc. But assuming that Cbrysalis will remain undefeated tell they reach adulthood (which isn't that far away they are all in the age range of 14 - 16 so in 4 years all of them will be adults, and with how much better Lila is than Gabriel as a villain defeating her certainly won't be quick, especially if it took them 10 months to beat Gabriel).

How are they gonna handle having a job and being a superhero at the same time? We already see that they can be tired a lot witheout a job (now granted they do go to scholl but: 1. Miss Bustier new education system seems to be much more student's time friendly then other schools. 2. Their preformance in the school doesn't matter as much as long as they can pass to the next class + be Good at whatever subjects they will need for their future career) and they would be even more tired with a job, they would basically have 2 jobs, 1 unpaid where they may be needed at any time even in the middle of the night.

And a large part of the careers they wanna pursue aren't your typical 8 hours per day jobs, they would need much more input for example:

- Marrinete would need to design her new projects.

- Zoe would need to reherse for whatever role she is playing at any given time.

- Marc and Nathaniel would need to work on their comics, It's one thing for Nathaniel who just needs to draw them but Marc? He has to write a whole story all by himself.

- Sabrina who as far as I remember wanted to be nurse would need to care for her patiens, also she can't just get out of work anytime she is needed.

The only person that would have it easy would be Adrien as as he stated in Climatequeen likes being a superhero the most so he could just use his wealth (which would likely be managed by marrinete and used for her fashion designer career) to have financial peace.

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Chloe was never supposed to be redeemed, she didn't show any incentive to be redeemed and if you look closely her redemption was never planned.

Whenever we see a start of what we could consider a redemption arc for a character It's almost always sucesfull, meawhile chloe's wasn't and honestly I like it, not everyone can be redeemed especially if they don't want to become a better person and witheout it redemtion is impossible.

Notice how whenever she was supposed to "get better" she never really did and it's because she never realized one thing, why should she change.

chloe never understood why she should do what she did, she never felt bad about what she did.

She only did good things because:

1. She was forced to (for example in Despair bear)

2. When she was a superhero she only did that because it's fun to have super powers, she never cared about the people she was saving, to her people thinking about her as a great superhero and being able to show off was a million times more important than actually saving people. (For example when she venom'ed a train driver just so she could show off even if she was endengering lives of hundrets of people).

Notice how she never changed for the better for 99% of time, she still bullied people, she still got enjoyment seeing others suffer, she still didn't understand why she should be better.

And I think that those moments were sings that she won't change, her redemption was likely never planned, it was never supposed to happen.

And again it's a good thing she wasn't redeemed, not everyone can and we rarely get such a situation in any piece of fiction.

Continuing on, she wasn't replaced with Zoe, why? Because they don't fill the same role in the story.

Can a character in a piece of fiction be replaced? Absolutely but let's ask, what does it mean to replace a character with another one? Well, in simplicity it means to change one character for another one that fils the same role.

Do Zoe and Chloe fill the same role in the story? Well, no.

The only role they shared was being the Bee miraculous holder, that's it all the shared was the miraculous they used and they were very diffrent holders, let's just look at what role in the story they fill? :

● Chloe's role is being a minor villain, mostly to the main characters in their civilian forms, and she fits that role well, she was a rich daughter of a corrupt politician, a good minor villian witheout any superpowers but with money and influence.

● Zoe's role is harder to define especially as she had much less time to develop as a character but her main role is mostly being an opposion to injustice, to unpunished evil, we saw her devoloped into that type of character since her first apperance:

- in the beggining she was rather passive, not trying to interviene in anything because she just didn't belive she could, she prefered to just do what she needed to do to be left in peace but she slowly started to changed.

- first she just started to just silently oppose when she stoped pretending to be bad just so that chloe would leave her in peace.

- later she gained more confidence when she became a superhero, but that was just the start after that she still stayed mostly passive but then the 2nd breakthrough came, in kwami's choice where she directly standed up to chloe and gained more confidence thanks to plag.

- We later see that her new gained confidence in adoration where we saw that her being able to stand up to chloe wasn't just a one time thing but an actuall change that stayed, we also saw how much she isn't afraid to be herself and hide any part of herself when she declared her love to Marrinette while knowing that it's a guarantee that she doesn't reciprocate her love.

- Then she as the only one tried to talk to and understand Sabrina.

- Finally when she felt hopeless again she jumped into action instead of ignoring anything.

Basically Chloe and Zoe don't share anything as characters besides the miraculous the use and them being related, so Zoe isn't a chloe replacement because she fills a totally diffrent role, if anything it's Ray that is a chloe replacement.

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Miraculous has a simple core outline for most of the show, a villain with the Butterfly miraculous akumatizes someone who becomes the villain of the episode and is later defeated.

This has been the case for 99% of Miraculous with there being only a few miraculous media that are outliers.

And recently I stared to wonder, how would the show look like after The Butterfly miraculous is retrieved?

Let's say that in season 10+ Chrysalis is defeated and the Butterfly miraculous is finally securilly back in the box.

And how could the story go further? Who could be the next villain (That's not a miraculous holder) and what would be their motivation? What do you think?

Important rules:

- No Butterfly or the Peacock as villains.

- No miraculous holders as villains overall.

- No changes in the team, they all stay generally good (Tensions between the Miraculers are ok but no changes of holders and no Miraculer is an obviously villain).

Btw: THIS SPECULATION IS PURELY THEORITICAL, IT'S NOT THAT I SPECIFICALLY WANT A SEASON WITH NO MIRACULUS USING VILLAINS, IT'S JUST THAT I WONDER HOW SUCH A SEASON COULD THEORITICALLY BE WRITTEN AND I WANT TO HEAR YOU OPINION.