u/Chaotic_Locked_Soul

"It's obvious that there was no God's plan."
▲ 13 r/lucifer

"It's obvious that there was no God's plan."

Saw arguments similar to this one a few times on this sub and started a post because I'm curious about what people think. If you believe there was no plan, why?

God mentions the plan when he and Goddess are saying goodbye to Lucifer and Amenadiel. When Lucifer asks him how much was part of the plan, God just chuckles "knowingly" and leaves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqQmemkS4tg&t=267s

We can, of course, speculate about the specifics of the plan, how much was and wasn't planned, and what it really was, and I guess we can also theorize that God just made it up. Definitely not impossible for me to believe. But I have a hard time understanding why some people are so sure there was absolutely no plan at all while this scene exists.

I personally think that God either always planned for Lucifer to become a Hell Healer and for Amenadiel to become God, and that's why he banished Lucifer to Hell in the first place and then created Chloe. He is omniscient and knew things would eventually develop in a certain way, so he needed to interfere just minimally but pushed events in a certain direction when necessary. So basically everything was the plan.

OR God is much more limited than everyone thinks. He doesn't see the whole future, and there was no plan, and he actually kicked Lucifer out because his ego couldn't manage that someone was opposing him. Maybe he even regretted it a little bit later, but he wouldn't admit he was wrong about something. Then I guess he created Chloe to move things on somehow (he might not be fully omniscient, but I guess he still can predict things to some level) and made up the plan to make it look like he actually knows what he's doing. And maybe he also wanted to take credit for his children's achievements. He also doesn't want anyone to know about his limitations.

I like the second take more because it would mean that I didn't watch the show where characters were secretly just God's puppets the whole time, and God eventually got what he wanted and everyone just accepted it. It also goes along with the theme that celestials are exactly as imperfect as humans, which should include God. I think my own dad actually partially inspired that theory, lol.

But I really don't think that when it comes to God in this show, anything is clear and obvious. He was a very confusing character for me.

u/Chaotic_Locked_Soul — 6 days ago

Nearly ended up on a highway by accident. I don't have a highway vignette and I panicked

I got my driving license an year ago (btw. I got there pretty late, finished at 39), and I don't drive much so I'm still scared.

I tryed to drive a new route today, just to practice. At some point I was supposed to switch to the left lane. There were clear signs on the road, it was very obvious what I'm supposed to do. But I had a tunnel vision, kept on driving in my lane, I then noticed I'm aiming on a highway and don't have a way to get back without violating some important regulations.

I guess the right thing to do would be to stop, turn on hazard lights, buy a highway vignette, and keep on driving. But I panicked, I was never on highway by myself and honestly at that moment I didn't really think of that option. Sooo... After standing there for a while and panicking, not knowing what to do (thankfully it was saturday early morning and there were no cars in sight) I just... turned, crossed two solid lines so I would get to the lane for the opposite direction and drove back to where I was supposed to be. Felt really bad about it but at that point it felt like the safest thing to do.

Anyway that's it. One of my worst driving fears. I'm going to buy a highway vignette right now cause apparently ending up on a highway accidently is easier than I thought.

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u/Chaotic_Locked_Soul — 2 months ago
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Just reminder that this is the very first episode Lucifer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Osct4hIRGoA (scene with Delilah)

Putting this here cause I often read here how he started as 100% self-absorbed asshole who doesn't care about anyone but himself and I don't understand where those claims are coming from. (Of course he is very flawed and complicated and definitely can act self-absorbed, just pointing out it's not that one-dimensional)

u/Chaotic_Locked_Soul — 5 months ago
▲ 35 r/lucifer

Writing a post cause it will get lost in the debate lower.

Please just remember this is just my opinion. I'm hardly an expert on writing. I just watch and feel in a certain way and then I'm trying to think about and describe what I saw that made me feel that way.

Also English is not my native language and I'm writing on mobile and I realized I tend to do mistakes I often overlook so please don't get mad about the grammar.

I realized something. We always tend to defend characters we like. I think people are more willing to dig for motivations when they are a fan of the character. Chloe's fans are always argumenting with things that are actually logical conclusion of her situation and so I would say those are good arguments. But I think that part of the reason it's not so convincing for someone like me, who feel more neutral about he character, is that we don't really see the show exploring those things.

Like a lot of people say that as an atheist, she is going through the bigger shock cause what she thought is the truth about universe changed. This is a great point, but I don't remember that being really addressed on screen. What we see her struggling with on screen is always about Lucifer being the Devil. No thoughts about God or afterlife or whatever. The frequent criticism of the show is that Chloe kinda stopped being her own character and turned into a "love interest" and if I look at this whole situation, I definitely see where it's coming from. There was so much more to explore about her reaction.

Or that Kinley manipulated her when she was vulnerable. Again, great point, but where do we see that happening? Cause I don't find anything he said or showed on screen that convincing. Chloe herself is questioning it the whole time. I assume that he manipulated her but I don't remember any really effective manipulation happening.

It's easy for me to sympathize with Lucifer cause I actually see what he is going through. Just the sequence of him singing Creep tells me more about his state of mind than everything we get about Chloe.

I would still probably hate the whole thing no matter how it's handled cause after dragged season three the Deckesrtar drama got a bit exhausting and the way their relationship was written really isn't my cup of tea. But I still wonder if I would have easier time understanding Chloe if they let me see her internal struggle a bit more.

Idk I admit it's been a while since I watched it the last time so maybe I remember it wrong, I apologize if it's the case.

Well, that's all.

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u/Chaotic_Locked_Soul — 5 months ago