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Starts later this month here in Europe, possibly already in the US.

I caught a few of the older episodes and was terrible at guessing if the caller was the killer, lol. After a while, and also from watching other shows, I started noticing a few things:

• 911 calls that provide many details are likely to be the killer trying to control the narrative
• if the caller sounds either extremely calm, or extremely distressed, more likely to be the killer
• if the caller refuses to apply life-saving techniques, or makes excuses, probably the killer

Usually, it's a combination of these things, or there will be something they say that sounds "off."

What things have you noticed that are good clues?

Accidentally came across this episode and immediately recognized the case from an older Dateline episode. This case stayed with me due to the bizarre details that were revealed about the children's living conditions and the parents' demeanor, which I couldn't fully comprehend at the time.

The Turpins kept their 13 children captive, chained to their beds. Rarely feeding them, they ate the parents' scraps. Parents would order McDonald's for themselves and would eat in front of the children. They would place unopened presents and toys around the house which the children weren't allowed to open, or play with. Obviously, the parents are sadistic psychopaths who saw their children as objects. Their extreme acts of sadism and control is what struck me.

On ELH, her sister reveals that both sisters were sexually molested by their grandfather as children. Their grandfather would buy them presents, and then molest them. Louise would often offer herself, sparing her sister from some of the abuse. I'm not a psychologist, but these early childhood events give insight into Louise's sadistic games involving presents with her own children. A clear case of early childhood abuse which resulted in extreme psychopathy.

I'm in Europe and there's another true crime channel on my cable, AMC Crime, that competes with ID, but strangely also runs shows that are on ID in the US like See No Evil, Fear Thy Neighbor, and Homicide Hunter.

Recently, I've been watching more interesting shows and documentaries on this channel than ID. They also show the full episodes and documentaries without interruptions every 15 minutes, which is one thing I absolutely loathe about ID programming.

Interrogation Raw: similar to Signs of a Psychopath, but without the commentary from forensic psychologists. Very interesting to study the interrogation techniques investigators use to make suspects want to talk, and confess to crimes.

Murder in the 21st: these are very recent cases, most with truly bizarre plots. They use parts of podcasts about each case, and look at the digital footprint of the victims and criminals to unravel the plots.

Killer Cases: very interesting cases, including the investigation, parts of the trial, and the sentencing. Very satisfying to watch justice being carried out every time.

En Guardia: Mujeres Contra El Crimen: this is a Spanish show about recent homicides in Spain and the investigations by women detectives. Really terrifying cases and plots. The investigative work is absolutely top-notch and state of the art.

Does anyone else watch these? What other shows would you recommend?

T4, ep. 12. What ID wrote about this episode:

>For 17 years, Kathy Swanson feared her son, Michael, would one day harm someone. For 17 years, she tried in vain to convince people that something about Michael was different until her worst nightmare came true.

Michael tried to kill a baby in her daycare by jumping from a chair onto the child--> gets a slap on the wrist

Michael dreams about knives and constantly draws bloody knives--> Poor Michael, he's having nightmares that people want to hurt him

Michael tried to kill her other son in the middle of the night with a knife--> gets a slap on the wrist

Michael threatened a neighbor's son with a knife--> gets a slap on the wrist

Michael stole money and a gun from their safe--> gets a slap on the wrist

Finally takes Michael to a psychologist. She is told point blank that Michael is not a victim, he's a menace. Also, "she's a bad mom and her son needs to be locked up." Her reaction: "no one helps me discipline my child, it's other people's responsibility parenting him, and keeping him in control, not mine."

One day Michael says he wants to kill her. Fearful for her own life, she takes him to a group facility. But Michael assaults a psychologist, and they kick him out. Their advice: "give up your parental rights and turn him over to the system." Her reaction: "nope, I won't do that. It's your responsibility to keep him here."

Takes ZERO advice from professionals yet it's always others' responsibility to parent him, and keep him in control, never hers (by the way, where's the dad in all this?).

OMG, she then sends her menace of a son to her sister's house! Sister is afraid of Michael and sends him back home.

But, suddenly, Michael is "really well behaved, he's sweet, caring, and loving," according to her. Then he steals their car, disappears, steals guns from his family, and goes on a killing rampage.

Her reaction: "I tried to prevent this, I explicitly warned people." NO! You were explicitly told how to deal with him and you ignored everyone while blaming everyone for your own failure as a parent.

Michael is evaluated in prison and the conclusion of the psychologist is that "Michael is evil." Her reaction: "how can you label him as evil, that is just dismissive. He's not a psychopath, he was just laughing at the cameras in court. He doesn't understand what death is."

Pretends to cry when shown photos of his victims. Says she's sorry, but ignored all advice on how to prevent this from happening. Her takeaway: "if you have a son like mine, don't listen to the professionals and doctors. Trust your instincts, like I did."

This might be my last ELH episode.

I started watching ID earlier this year and quickly became addicted to many shows. What hooked me was learning about all types of crimes and criminals, how investigators solve crimes, interrogation techniques, forensics, how to recognize sociopaths/psychopaths, and how to protect myself.

I find myself gathering clues from the beginning and trying to solve the crime before the show even has a suspect. My brain expanded so much and I cringe thinking about how naive I was before learning all this stuff. I also get immense satisfaction from seeing criminals being caught, and pay for what they did.

Recently, I realized I no longer enjoy watching movies. Movies seem so dull, fake, and pointless now. I feel so bored within the first 15 minutes and can't get into any story. Shows like See No Evil and The Murder Tapes are more enthralling than any thriller. Signs of a Psychopath is more terrifying than any horror movie. Body Cam is more nerve-wracking than any action movie. And so on.

I know that at some point my brain will absorb all there is to learn from watching these shows and will get tired, or at least need take a long break. I'm just not sure if movies are forever ruined for me. I already struggled to find good, recent movies to watch before this.

Has anyone (specially those in France) tried anything from Maison Stella & Suzie? The designs on the site look beautiful and good quality.

She also suggests Maison Cléo, and Saaj Paris, but designs are too young for me, and use lots of polyester.

They've been running this older show (2020-2022) here in EU. For the most part, it's pretty lighthearted, even comical as the guests are always making jokes about the situations and the people involved.

But this case stood out for its horrific nature and the details that were shared. A nanny stabs and kills two small children in a bathtub. Then waits for their mom to get home to see her reaction. Apparently, the building supervisor heard mom screaming so loudly, he rushed to the apartment. He said that when he saw the nanny, it was like looking into the Devil's eyes.

From watching Signs of a Psychopath, I knew she was a sadistic psychopath. She addresses the judge at sentencing, not to apologize, but to say how much she has suffered in life. I almost vomited.

I was wondering if this case has been explored in a different ID show, or documentary?