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Orthopneumovirus hominis (commonly called human orthopneumovirus, and RSV before that) kills nearly half as many people as flu and more than Betainfluenzavirus influenzae (commonly called flu B). It's significant enough to warrant universal recommendation to every person 6 months and over.

It says here in 1975 it was originally called respiratory syncytial virus (RSV).

https://ictv.global/taxonomy/taxondetails?taxnode_id=202501651&taxon_name=Orthopneumovirus%20hominis

Before 2023 when the vaccine came out, no one gave a hoot about it. In 2024 CDC made a model based on its flu deaths model since 2010 and came up with 11,000 deaths that season. This season is a bit less with 9,600 deaths up until now so probably about 10,000 for the season.

https://www.cdc.gov/rsv/php/surveillance/burden-estimates.html

Also, in the NREVSS dashboard, Orthopneumovirus hominis is significant, topping the 5% threshold which excludes it from being a common cold virus according to my definition of common cold virus.

https://www.cdc.gov/nrevss/php/dashboard/index.html

It wasn't until this year FDA approved Orthopneumovirus hominis vaccine for younger adults at higher risk.

https://www.gsk.com/en-gb/media/press-releases/gsk-s-rsv-vaccine-arexvy-approved-in-us-for-expanded-age-indication-in-adults-aged-18-49-years-at-increased-risk/

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u/CleanLock4606 — 6 days ago
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Questions for American doctors, wouldn't it be good for you if flu shots, covid shots, RSV shots don't work at all?

The US is the only country in the world without universal healthcare. Universal healthcare is funded only by the public. Outside the US, doctors are paid through universal healthcare. American doctors get paid when they administer the shots. If the shots work, they get less patients. Less patients means less income. They'd be in trouble paying off student debt and mortgage considering how expensive things are in the US. If the shots don't work, they get more patients. More patients, more shots. More shots, more income. That's be a good thing wouldn't it?

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u/CleanLock4606 — 6 days ago
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I have discovered the Betacoronavirus pandemicum shots don't reduce infection rate and viral load. It's like getting a placebo rather than a vaccine. That's really bizarre. Thank goodness I only had two Ontario mandated Pfizer shots and suffered no long issues.

A while back I wrote about how I discovered the shots don't reduce infection rate and wastewater level and I was like hmm that's weird.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateVaccines/comments/1t3fuxh/two_novavax_trials_proves_covid_shots_do/

https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateVaccines/comments/1tcclzz/data_prove_covid_vaccine_does_not_reduce/

I then dug a little deeper and found out the shots don't even reduce viral load which means it don't even reduce severity.

"Viral Loads Similar Between Vaccinated and Unvaccinated People"

https://www.ucdavis.edu/health/covid-19/news/viral-loads-similar-between-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-people

It's also glaringly obvious the shots did nothing in 2021 because as you can see in the data the clinical test positivity rate peaked at 11% in August 2021 after people got the shots.

Select the 2021-22 in the Surveillance Year drop down on the right.

https://www.cdc.gov/nrevss/php/dashboard/index.html

u/CleanLock4606 — 6 days ago
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History is to be made. Betacoronavirus pandemicum vaccine shall become the first common cold virus vaccine ever. Pfizer, Moderna, Novavax, the only remaining companies that make Betacoronavirus pandemicum vaccine will make it happen.

I define a common cold virus as "a respiratory virus whose clinical samples test positivity rate is under 5% in every week of the year". This is true for Betacoronavirus hongkongense and Betacoronavirus gravedinis which are the closest related viruses to Betacoronavirus pandemicum in human populations.

Why 5%? This number is the threshold used by Canada to declare onset and offset of annual flu season epidemics. < 5% = no flu season. > 5% = flu season.

Figure 3 of https://health-infobase.canada.ca/respiratory-virus-surveillance/influenza.html

"New federal data out Friday (new window) shows roughly two per cent of country-wide tests came back positive for influenza in the previous week. That’s still shy of the five per cent bar for Canada to declare a seasonal flu epidemic, but it’s a noticeable uptick from a few weeks before."

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/news/2206627/canada-could-face-worst-kind-of-flu-season-as-experts-warn-evolving-strain-may-be-mismatch-for-vaccine

Under 5% is also the lowest category used by HHS to categorize Betacoronavirus pandemicum activity.

Click the third tab from the left under the dashboard at https://www.cdc.gov/nrevss/php/dashboard/index.html

As Betacoronavirus pandemicum becomes less and less novel, clinical sample test positivity rate drops year after year. It peaked at barely over 5% this winter and has dropped to less than 1% for the first time. It'll continue to drop in the coming years and about 10 years from now it'll never reach 5% in any given year.

https://www.cdc.gov/nrevss/php/dashboard/index.html

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u/CleanLock4606 — 6 days ago
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Canada's recommendation of Betacoronavirus pandemicum vaccine is fairly sensible. The US should adopt this approach.

Following a thorough review of the evidence, NACI makes the following recommendations, which apply for all of 2025 and up to the summer of 2026:

  • NACI recommends a COVID-19 vaccine for previously vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals at increased risk of SARS-CoV-2 exposure or severe COVID-19 disease, which includes the following individuals:
    • All adults 65 years of age or older
    • Those 6 months of age and older who are:
      • Residents of long-term care homes and other congregate living settings;
      • Individuals with underlying medical conditions that place them at higher risk of severe COVID-19, including children with complex health needs;
      • Pregnant women and individuals who are pregnant;
      • Individuals in or from First Nations, Inuit and Métis communities;
      • Members of racialized and other equity-denied communities; and
      • Health care workers and other care providers in facilities and community settings.
    • NACI recommends that all other previously vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals (6 months of age and older) who are not at increased risk for SARS-CoV-2 exposure or severe COVID-19 disease (i.e., not listed above) may receive a COVID-19 vaccine.

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/publications/vaccines-immunization/national-advisory-committee-immunization-summary-guidance-covid-19-vaccines-2025-summer-2026.html

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u/CleanLock4606 — 6 days ago
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The data clearly shows spike immunity from the virus and the vaccines did not end pandemic. The data clearly shows nucleocapside immunity from the virus ended pandemic.

Germany covid wastewater level showing spike immunity does not reduce it and nucleocapsid immunity reduce it: https://infektionsradar.rki.de/en/covid/sewage

Clinical test positivity rate going back to February 2020: https://www.cdc.gov/nrevss/php/dashboard/index.html

Wastewater level going back 2 years: https://data.wastewaterscan.org/?regionalOverview=true&selectedLocation=%7B%22label%22%3A%22National%22,%22level%22%3A%22national%22,%22value%22%3A%22national%22%7D

US general stats: https://www.cdc.gov/covid/php/surveillance/index.html

Global mortality numbers: https://data.who.int/dashboards/covid19/deaths

New York covid vaccine coverage: https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/covid-19-and-influenza-vaccination-data

u/CleanLock4606 — 10 days ago
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The data shows, the higher the covid vaccine usage, the weaker the nucleocapsid cellular immunity, the more covid going around, and vice versa. In the US where covid vaccine usage is highest, pandemic was prolonged by about a decade.

Spike changes a lot. Nucleocapsid don't change. That's why covid vaccine don't work, rapid antigen test work. People cannot become immune to the virus unless they have nucleocapsid cellular immunity, either through vaccines or the virus. Because none of the Pfizer, Moderna, Novavax covid vaccines which are the only available covid vaccines in the world contain nucleocapsid, nucleocapsid cellular immunity can only be obtained from the virus itself.

The data clearly shows the US which is the only country in the world where covid vaccine has widespread usage is the only country in the world where there is a lot of covid going around. In New York for example, 7.9% of the population got a covid shot this past season, which is insanely high compared to the rest of the world where covid vaccine is recommended only for very old and immunocompromised people and usage is far more limited.

Because covid vaccine delays people getting the virus, the more covid vaccine usage, the later people get the virus and obtain nucleocapsid cellular immunity, the longer it takes pandemic to end. Pandemic ended in the rest of the world after 2 or 3 years. Pandemic does not end in the US until 2030 at the earliest.

Clinical test positivity rate going back to February 2020: https://www.cdc.gov/nrevss/php/dashboard/index.html

Wastewater level going back 2 years: https://data.wastewaterscan.org/?regionalOverview=true&selectedLocation=%7B%22label%22%3A%22National%22,%22level%22%3A%22national%22,%22value%22%3A%22national%22%7D

US general stats: https://www.cdc.gov/covid/php/surveillance/index.html

Global mortality numbers: https://data.who.int/dashboards/covid19/deaths

New York covid vaccine coverage: https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/covid-19-and-influenza-vaccination-data

u/CleanLock4606 — 10 days ago
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Hantavirus vaccine? Probably not worth it.

Hantavirus is incredibly rare. There's only a few hundred cases a year. On top of that, Hantavirus is incredibly diverse, with 37 species already documented. To make a vaccine, it would have to be 37 valent which would be incredibly expensive. The cost doe not justify the benefit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthohantavirus

u/CleanLock4606 — 10 days ago
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Is Betacoronavirus pandemicum vaccine one of those permanently forever vaccines like polio vaccine?

Even if Betacoronavirus pandemicum goes extinct, considering how transmissible it is in an immunologically naive population, 90% of the population would have to get a Betacoronavirus pandemicum shot each year to keep up population immunity in case it reappears like what Betacoronavirus pandemicum did in 2019 after going extinct in 2003.

Even if polio is extinct, a closely related virus in the same species like coxsackievirus A21 might mutate into polio and attach to the same receptor. Considering genus Enterovirus has hundreds of strains, people will have to take polio vaccine forever unless genus Enterovirus goes extinct. Any of the common cold rhinoviruses can easily mutate into polio and poof it comes back.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterovirus

u/CleanLock4606 — 11 days ago
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To save children's lives, shouldn't Alphainfluenzavirus influenzae + Betainfluenzavirus influenzae combo vaccine, Orthopneumovirus hominis vaccine, Betacoronavirus pandemicum vaccine be required for school children?

According to respiratory virus report, in New York state, this past respiratory virus season, 16 children died of Alphainfluenzavirus influenzae + Betainfluenzavirus influenzae, 6 children died of Orthopneumovirus hominis, 3 children died of Betacoronavirus pandemicum.

Source: https://www.health.ny.gov/diseases/communicable/respiratory_viruses/activity/2025-2026/docs/current_respiratory_report.pdf

Considering vaccines for these respiratory viruses are available to the general population, shouldn't these vaccines be required for school children to save lives?

The number of children who die from measles, mumps, polio, pertussis pales in comparison and these vaccines are required for school children since decades ago. If they want to save children's lives, at least be consistent.

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u/CleanLock4606 — 13 days ago
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How would it impact your life if one day there's no more Betacoronavirus pandemicum vaccine in the US?

Personally, it wouldn't a big deal for me. I only had two Pfizer shots which was mandated in Ontario in 2021 so I can access my workplace.

There's hardly any Betacoronavirus pandemicum vaccine left outside the US. AstraZeneca ended production. BioNTech is ending production by early next year. There's barely any Betacoronavirus pandemicum vaccine in the Global South such as Latin America, Southeast Asia, South Asia, East Asia, Africa, Central Asia, Middle East. There's a bit more Betacoronavirus pandemicum vaccine in Canada, Europe, Australia, New Zealand but only for high risk people like really old people.

These days there's hardly any kids getting Betacoronavirus pandemicum vaccine. Even in New York where Betacoronavirus pandemicum vaccine is the most popular, only 2.1% of 0 to 4 year olds get it compared to 40.1% getting a flu shot.

https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/covid-19-and-influenza-vaccination-demographics

u/CleanLock4606 — 13 days ago
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Betacoronavirus pandemicum vaccine, the first common cold virus vaccine ever?

I define a common cold virus as "a respiratory virus whose clinical samples test positivity rate is under 5% in every week of the year". This is true for Betacoronavirus hongkongense and Betacoronavirus gravedinis which are the closest related viruses to Betacoronavirus pandemicum in human populations.

Why 5%? This number is the threshold used by Canada to declare onset and offset of annual flu season epidemics. < 5% = no flu season. > 5% = flu season.

Figure 3 of https://health-infobase.canada.ca/respiratory-virus-surveillance/influenza.html

"New federal data out Friday (new window) shows roughly two per cent of country-wide tests came back positive for influenza in the previous week. That’s still shy of the five per cent bar for Canada to declare a seasonal flu epidemic, but it’s a noticeable uptick from a few weeks before."

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/news/2206627/canada-could-face-worst-kind-of-flu-season-as-experts-warn-evolving-strain-may-be-mismatch-for-vaccine

Under 5% is also the lowest category used by HHS to categorize Betacoronavirus pandemicum activity.

Click the third tab from the left under the dashboard at https://www.cdc.gov/nrevss/php/dashboard/index.html

As Betacoronavirus pandemicum becomes less and less novel, clinical sample test positivity rate drops year after year. It peaked at barely over 5% this winter and has dropped to less than 1% for the first time. It'll continue to drop in the coming years and about 10 years from now it'll never reach 5% in any given year.

https://www.cdc.gov/nrevss/php/dashboard/index.html

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u/CleanLock4606 — 14 days ago
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People probably did not need Betacoronavirus pandemicum vaccine, at least not for the vast majority of folks.

So I've seen the research done by this guy who worked out the early infection fatality of Betacoronavirus pandemicum to be 0.1%, on par with seasonal flu. Of course, this number dropped as people gained immunity and the virus is no longer novel.

https://covidmythbuster.substack.com/p/how-one-graph-proved-sars-cov-2-was

The number he worked out is pretty close to what the British statistics agency worked out from mass testing of the general population with their expensive ONS infection survey.

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/estimating-the-infection-fatality-ratio-in-england/

u/CleanLock4606 — 17 days ago
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In Germany they are closing 3 factories and another one in Singapore which supplies the Asia Pacific market. Outside the US, because there is universal healthcare, everything has to be within budget rather than like in the US where every person 6 months and older get a covid shot every year. These days covid is not mentioned in the media a single time in any given year, so people don't see a need to get a shot. 30 years from now when people perceive Betacoronavirus pandemicum as a generic common cold virus amongst many common cold viruses, covid vaccine goes extinct.

"The vaccine maker will exit several plants, aim for €500 million in yearly savings, and buy back up to $1 billion in stock as it refocuses beyond covid."

https://finimize.com/content/biontech-shifts-covid-shot-production-and-plans-big-cuts

u/CleanLock4606 — 18 days ago
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In the most recent season, BC recommends a shot for the most at risk people, in particular old people. BC procured enough shots for about 25% of the population.

B.C. has secured 1.94 million doses of the 2025-26 influenza vaccine and 1.4 million doses of the updated COVID-19 vaccines, Moderna Spikevax LP.8.1 and Pfizer Comirnaty, which are approved by Health Canada. This year’s vaccine supply is based on uptake in previous seasons to ensure efficient use and to minimize waste.

https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2025HLTH0096-001045

u/CleanLock4606 — 19 days ago