u/Courious_Reader

Trust, Omori told me this is what it was supposed to be before his editors made him change it.

You could do both where in a 1v1 the strongest monster who adventurer Bell can definitely beat and monster and adventurer he can possibly beat.

Also no he wins because of Full Charge Argo/Argo Vest charge unless you can prove it gives reasoning for why Bell can charge it up to that level.

Include Obito and Deidara if you want as well.

Who wins and deserves the position of Vice Captain?

Hedin gave up the position to Allen because he acknowledged he was weaker but we find out in MS18 when Anya left Allen grew “weaker” and Hedin regrets giving him the position.

Does that mean Hedin is stronger now? Who would win in a fight between them?

Ok based on the post earlier today I will explain why it should be impossible for Aiz to have had a comparable growth rate to Alfia.

First I will go over what has been stated as a fact in the series. First we know for a fact that Aiz has taken 9 year to level up where she started at Age 7 and reach level 6 at age 16. Then as stated in Sword Oratoria Volume 1 it has taken Aiz 3 years since reaching level 5 to reach level 6.

“Her Status had grown as much as it could. It didn’t matter how strong or fast she was, this was her limit. Three years had passed since she became Level 5”

Now if we compare this to Alfia she should have been a High level 7 at 16 years old when knowing that she was one in Astraea Record but this was stated to be only because her illness prevented her from leveling up.

“There is one,” Riveria reiterated. “What’s more, it’s the reason Alfia is still only Level Seven despite all her talent.”

We also have a qoute that shows Alfia should have been a level 6 by age 12~13 having been explained by u/Just_a_Snake_876 which I’ll be using the qoute and part of the explanation

"The next defeat was a single flash. A knife strike that Ottar had not even been able to see had sent his body flying into a dilapidated old home. He only realized he was being petted right before he passed out. That time it had been a core member of Hera Familia, a girl even younger than he. The embodiment of talent the likes of which Ottar had never before seen shot him a single glance of utter disappointment before standing up and leaving."

Alfia was presumably already a level 6 being a core member of Hera Familia which shouldn’t be possible if she was a lower level and Ottar was probably level 4 (considering it's his second defeat) at this time. We also know that Ottar was high level 5 during Three Great Quests (15 years back) so he would be 17 years old at that point. Considering that it took Ais 3 years to go from level 5->6 and based off how Ottar leveled up to level 2 at almost the same time he should be 14 years old when he got promoted from level 4 to 5. So he would be around 13-14 years old when he first got beaten by Alfia who would be around 12-13 years old.

Ok after going over this I think it’s made pretty clear Alfia easily had a career growth than Aiz if she was truly a Low level 6 at 13 years old even if we say she started at 5 years old she would still have taken less time than Aiz to reach it being a whole year and the gap for the later levels should become increasing bigger as seen with Aiz’s growth rate in comparison to other First Class Adventurers.

So then if Aiz held the record for reaching level 2 on the fastest time even though Alfia should be much faster? Well here are my theories as to why.

The First Theory is that Aiz’s level up speed is not known to the public of Orario or at least current Orario where even though Zeus and Hera Familia shared everything with the guild Finn had to constantly make deals and request information from the Guild on top of it being hidden that the Zeus and Hera Familia made it past the 59th as well as multiple Zeus and Hera Familia members apparently having been able to Solo Floors bosses Floor so Alfia’s level up speed not being knowing to the public is very possible with people like Astraea Familia knowing next to nothing about her.

The Second Theory is that Alfia was apart of Hera Familia for a period of time and given Falna before she started as a adventurer similar to Ottar who actually took about a year which is why Aiz has the record for level 1 but it is not said she has the same for the other levels so for levels 2~5 Alfia took 9 months~a Year to reach them all surpassing Aiz and others for these levels where even a month difference is a big gap for people of Aiz, Ryuu, and Ottar’s tier.

The third theory is that at lower levels Alfia’s illness hinder he much more than at higher levels thanks to higher levels allowing her to have much more stamina to the point that a level 1 Alfia could maybe last on an Hour in Continuous Combat while other levels 1’s can last for several hours.

As for my counter arguments the idea that Alfia leveled up at a rate of 1 year for ever level from level 1->level 7 imo is completely ridiculous and doesn’t make sense when someone like Bell which Omori has said to breaks the System(tweet linked below) is affected by a decrease in Excelia/Growth speed.

https://twitter.com/fujinoomori/status/1285958852265926656

“My skills have
improved, but.. Compared to before, the pace of improvement has slowed down.
(although Lili and the others might say that I have improved
too much).
Specifically, it's like the rush I experienced when I was exploring the higher levels after meeting Ais.
It's not so much that I've reached my growth limit, but rather...
—'The level 5 barrier... the border between second-class adventurers and first-class ones.'
—'Yes...'"
"When a family member has sublimated their 'vessel' to this level, it is likely that it will be much more difficult for them to continue growing as you have been. To ascend to the next level, they will need even more arduous trials and feats.
God leaned over my shoulder, looking at me while I was looking at the update sheet, sitting with my torso
naked.
I shared God's opinion.
Besides that feeling of omnipotence that enveloped me, this too must have been part of becoming a 'first-class adventurer'.
The 'vessel' that I possessed up to Lv. 4 now seemed to have enormously expanded, both in breadth and depth, upon reaching Lv. 5.
The amount of experience (【Excelia】) that would be required had increased exponentially, and surely, from now on,
even raising a single skill point would be a daunting task.
An despite my unusual consecutive level-ups, I felt that with someone like Ryuu-san, I could share this feeling of a beginner among first-class adventurers and perhaps even talk about it. Without a doubt, this was a path that they would have also traveled, other top-level adventurers like Aiz-san.

So if Bell who is confirmed to be a Bug/Cheat Character by Omori still faces the Excelia Growth Decrease at level 5 even while facing insane situations with multiple level 7+ threats it makes no sense for Alfia to have ignored this because again it’s for every that at level 5 the vessel greatly expands no matter what so what ever Alfia’s level up speed prior to level 5 was it will be slower after she reaches level 5.

Anyway I just wanted to get rid of this notion that Aiz had comparable growth to Alfia which I have no idea why people are even supporting it when Aiz’s incredibly fast growth comes from her incredibly high Talent/Potential and Alfia is in a tier above her in that. This is why when everyone else in Zeus/Hera Familia was probably 30+ years when it came to being an executive Alfia was half their age and I’m not coming at this as a glazer it just makes the most sense logically if you look at it.

Aiz still has a unbelievably fast growth which is second to Alfia(maybe Maxim could compare to her) but Omori has made it clear sense her introduction she is in a tier of her own.

Everyone here is a High Level 7 and they face the Team Hedin went up against in MS18 how do they do in comparison to Ottar? Also take them as if they were also able to develop their Combat Skill and the use of their Skills, Magic, and Equipment more.

Also for Bete take examples of him of being Beastified and another one of him having Hati at the start.

Omori just making Maxim look much better in comparison to Empress who we have seen one feat maybe about her lol it seems like Omori just loves Zeus Familia much more and maybe Maxim in specific.

I think the first and most obvious one would be lessening it completely getting rid of Finn becoming a Berserker I never understood why Omori did this because yes narratively the Rage of the Blood Fury Spear would carry on into his best life but Dimm never had this problem so why give it to Finn?

The second buff would be Hell’s Finegas base increase does not effect his mental state but as he gets more and more enraged the buff increases but he becomes more like a Berseker.

The third buff I would do is that Hell’s Finegas at the start of the fight it’s increse is a level boost but as the fights continues the increase gets stronger and Finn becomes more enraged.

As for the max increse for both of them it’s twice as much so two level boosts similar to Ariel max output.

I just thought that the drawbacks to Hell’s Finegas is kind of stupid yes Ottar with his beatification drains his Stamina but that’s something Omori made basically nonexistent and a trump card like this Shoto be better than especially with Finn being featless with it besides that one time in SO14 but he was a level 1 and vs surface monsters and vs weakened spirit solders who couldn’t properly think while he was a High level 5 so not anything really impressive.

Images 3 and 4 are fanart of Empress and Maxim respectively.

I’ve been heard many complaints about MS21 and SO16 and the lack of deaths and overall plot armor and bs moments about them an my question is

What characters would you kill off? Why?

What BS Plot Moments would you change?

Anything you would add?

First thing I didn’t want to just give a text blurb stated what I think the new status would look like because I believe people wouldn’t want to read through it and I think it looks more presentable like this so yes I did use AI which I know isn’t the best but I also just didn’t want to take credit for it. I’m also making a fanfic and this is around what their stats will be with none of these being their final stays either at all with this specially be Aiz’s pre Udaeus fight status.

Anyway on to why I think the Loki Familia needs a status the first reason is because a lot of their status is honestly trash Finn’s I’d descent because he is not just barely or below 3,000 totals stars like Riveria and Gareth but his is still bad.

Putting this into perspective taking Hedin the lowest Freya Familia executive total status we have so far is 3,612 vs Finn’s being 3,363 a difference of nearly 250 where Hedin’s final total status is unknown. I know the Loki Trios is as well but their level up get is less impressive than Hedin’s feats in MS18 and MS22 blows them out of the water so the gap will probably be even more.

Then there is also the fact that the Loki Familia have the slowest growth rate and ok too if that are constantly doing explorations in the dungeon where Freya Familia Executives usually can’t even fight each other and rarely explore the dungeon. I know some people might say that Riveria is a Mage and all but Rivera Magic stat is 989 not even maxed out on top of Lefiya a level 4 the minute she trains her physical stats she is on her way to easily surpassing Riveria and Riveria has participated in melee combat as well but is still that much worse and I’m not saying she should have D or even E rank Strength and Endurance or even A rank Agility or Agility but these stats are really bad imo.

Then for Aiz her status is really underwhelming due to the f at this is supposed to be the Ultra Prodigy child of a Great Spirit and she struggled to even get one stat to S rank being her Magic stat I find laughable and just her physical status is really bad in general with Hedin surpassing her in strength as a Magic swordsman that is more of a Mage so yes I made Aiz Magic stat well into S rank and her Agility and Dexterity nearly S as well as her Strength and Endurance C.

Then for her level 1 stats I have also made it so that she has two S rank stats when she levels up yes because besides the fact I had to tweak it because I changed her level 5 status I that her status is just really underwhelming for even first class adventurers. Where only Riveria as a level 1 probably had a lower status and I also believe any first class adventurer should have 3,000+ in their status and a Ultra prodigy like Aiz should have this be true for even her level 1 status.

What do you think do you agree and if not what would you change?

p.s. I have also given Gareth a second Magic in my fanfic that’s why he has F rank Magic where before I would have probably kept it as Low G rank.