u/DietTyrone

Before anyone mentions it, yeah, I know someone posted something similar on paternity fraud recently, but that post got taken down just as the conversation was getting good in my opinion. So, I'm curious what the consensus is on how paternity fraud should be handled. In cases where it is discovered, what do you think the punishment should be? Should it be:

1. A large fine up to the estimated amount spent on the kid up to that point?

2. A felony charge with an automatic 2 to 3 years jail time?

3. Jail time equivalent to the amount of years the fraud took place?

4. No punishment?

5. Something else?

Feel free to explain your positions.

A lot of people on this sub like to complain that gender dynamics are kind of going to shit. A lot of people like put the blame on groups like red pill or the manosphere, especially women. However, the irony here is that women are one of the biggest contributors to this, if not even more so than the manosphere.

Take for instance this one point that a lot of modern women, especially on Reddit like to push. The idea that Grandma or great grandma didn't really love their husbands, they were just with them for survival. They didn't have a choice. Well what do you think this teaches men that believe that message? You're essentially telling them that women are capable of feigning love for an entire marriage and having a whole ass family with a dude they don't really love for some perceived benefit. Assuming they actually believe that, why would the men hearing this claim not think modern women are capable of doing the exact same thing? They're expected to now mindlessly trust that will never happen?

Another big factor is social media, mainly dating apps. Even without the apps men can still see the kinds of guys are getting the most women and the dating app stats just reinforce what they can already witness. They're not going to keep falling for the claim that she was bamboozled time and time again.

The sexual revolution and 304 phases as they called it opened men's eyes to the fact that women can be equally lustful and superficial as men. We're past the days of men believing women to be more virtuous or moral than themselves. And so they are not as naive and trusting as men in the past were towards women.

Women seem to be mad about how modern men have a different mindset towards them than men of the past, but they contributed to it and basically fought for this perception shift. Viewing someone as an equal also means you accept the fact that they are equally capable of lying, cheating, etc as anyone else. Women keep saying the quiet part out loud, yet seem surprised men growing up less naive and more and more cautious towards them as a direct result of these revelations. What did they think would happen?

The most interesting part about this sub in it's hayday was not just the debates but if people pissed each other off, you could challenge them to a duel and let members of the sub vote on who gets banned based on how crazy their takes were (usually the person initiating the duel would post a specific debate that proved their point about the other person having crazy statements or whatnot).

Problem is, duels would lead to permanent bans which made people too afraid to really get into heated debates or initiate duels, because if you lost a duel you started you would get perm banned. Just make them temporary bans, problem solved.