u/DisclosureIsntEnough

More specifically, I'm looking for bands and solo musicians that have taken that sound beyond post rock, while still clearly calling back to its roots. Obviously post rock is pretty diverse in and of itself, but I would be interested to see how the vibe of Spirit of Eden and Laughing Stock could be translated and developed across genres not typically associated with post rock.

To fully appreciate heaven one must first know hell

Sonically referring to the soundscape itself, atmospherically referring to the abstract feelings and environments created by the soundscape

These are the ones I know about so far: Native Bread, Black Leaf Vegan, Good Vegan Bad Vegan, 10th Street Diner

They're willing to shrug their shoulders at environmental degradation and genocide (even if fellow Christians are among the victims of that genocide), but bristle at the suggestion that gay marriage should stay classified as marriage, or that there are scenarios in which women should always have the right to an abortion.

Part of me feels like evangelicalism was a psyop to foster subconscious, passive acceptance of the world's ills by emphasizing The End Times^(TM) over Jesus' teachings. Even if there's an understanding that something is wrong, they can compartmentalize it by telling themselves that it's necessary to bring about armageddon. Never mind the fact that Jesus would not approve of accelerating it through inaction.

Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of deeply corrupt people that I'd love to see punished harshly for their crimes.

But say the most wicked members of humanity are placed in some sort of hell realm, where they are subjected to the same suffering that they inflicted upon others. Perhaps their initial response is aggression, and they curse those who put them there. But eventually the pain overwhelms their anger, extinguishing any desire to lash out at the justice they are receiving. And at some point, having fully realized the vileness of their own cruelty reflected back unto them, they wholeheartedly and unconditionally reject it with every fiber of their being.

If we're talking about the absolute worst that humanity is capable of (rape, murder, etc.), I would argue that a shift from an individual comfortable engaging in those behaviors to one who isn't, is a change so fundamental that it cannot be ignored, regardless of when that shift occurs. Furthermore, to observe someone that has completely rejected all ties to their former malevolent inclinations, and continue punishing them because of what they once were, constitues an embrace of the same sadism that one defined them. And so the ills of the prosecuted are not extinguished, but merely transferred to the prosecutor, whose sense of justice has yielded to pure lust for vengeance.

This is my issue with the concept of eternal hell. Repentance occurring after the death of the physical body, is just as profound as repentance occurring before it; the immense psychological and spiritual change is no less worthy of celebration. But what is there to celebrate if an individual's repentance cannot save them because of some arbitrary point of no return (and it is arbitrary, assuming continuity of consciousness and intelligence in the afterlife)? Perhaps if everybody lived and died under similar circumstances it would be less of an issue, but that's not the case. It's not hard to imagine two people that lead similar lives and partake in the same evils, with one's circumstances being more favorable to introspection that ultimately leads them to turn away from that evil before their death. Of course it could be asked why they were attracted to evil in the first place, but that has no bearing on the significance of that attraction being eliminated.

If it would take a million years for the worst most unrepentant psychopath to reform, so be it. But even if they wronged me personally, I wouldn't want to see them suffer forever. I think there's a lot of beauty in the notion that there's no such thing as "too far gone", that given an environment for proper introspection any being can fully heal. And I think the purest devotion to compassion involves doing everything in one's power to help realize that possibility.