u/DontTryToGrowABrain

The Grand Jury Indictments

Looking specifically at the Counts of the Grand Jury Indictment (copied below), then it incontrovertibly follows from Count VII, which references child abuse resulting in death, and covering up for a person committing murder in the first degree, that it cannot possibly be Burke, who was a minor, but instead one or both of the parents.

Turning to Count IV (a), it follows that even if only one parent was responsible for the dangerous situation, then the other parent was aware (if both parents weren’t equally responsible for the situation).

It further follows from Count IV (a) that the murder was the culmination of an endangering environment, and could not possibly have been a freak accident. Leaving aside the Count VII reference to first degree murder, this would also completely rule out the Burke annoyed at pineapple theft and lashing out hypothesis.

Given that the Grand Jurors were party to greater and more comprehensive information and evidence than any of us will ever see, there is little option but to accept their conclusions.

Therefore there are only two valid hypotheses left (still with plenty of gaps, otherwise it’d be case solved):

  1. Patsy was responsible for an emotionally/physically abusive environment (which JR was aware of), culminating in the killing of JBR;
  2. John was responsible for an emotionally/physically abusive environment (which PR was aware of), culminating in the killing of JBR.

It would also seem to follow from this Count that only one parent committed the actual crime of murder: the other parent was guilty only of aiding that person.

(Personally, given that the only forensic evidence on the body was Patsy coat fibres, the fake ransom letter written by Patsy, and her unconvincing 911 call, the first option is the only viable one for me.)

THE GRAND JURY INDICTMENTS

Count IV (a):

“On or between December 25, and December 26, 1996, in Boulder County, Colorado, John Bennett Ramsey did unlawfully, knowingly recklessly and feloniously permit a child to be unreasonably placed in a situation which posed a threat to the child’s life or health, which resulted in the death of JonBenet Ramsey, a child under the age of sixteen,.”

Count VII:

“On or about December 25, and December 26, 1996 in Boulder County, Colorado, John Bennett Ramsey did unlawfully, knowingly, and feloniously render assistance to a person, with intent to hinder, delay and prevent the discovery, detention, apprehension, prosecution, conviction and punishment of such person for the commission of a crime, knowing the person being assisted has committed and was suspected of the crime of murder in the first degree and child abuse resulting in death.”

The language is identical in the two recommended counts against Patricia Paugh Ramsey. 

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u/DontTryToGrowABrain — 11 days ago

Questions on the ‘Evolving’ Ramsey Narrative

Please forgive me if these have likely been discussed to death before, but I’ve a number of queries, especially about the timing of the changing Ramsey narrative.

I think the below are attested to be true, but please correct me if I’m wrong.

Firstly, issues of narrative.

1. Home Arrival Time

This was originally given as about 22:00, but later changed to around 20:30….after the Ramseys got the autopsy report and the inference about timing of ingested pineapple.

2. JBR Awake or Asleep

JR originally said he read to JBR in bed….then after receiving the autopsy report claimed that she was asleep in the car and was carried up the stairs.

(The original version of an awake JBR apparently confirmed by Burke at the time and also later, saying he walked up the stairs behind her.)

3. Locked House

JR told police on the morning of 26 Dec that the house was all locked and windows shut…then later said he wasn’t sure of that (my take: once he realised he had to invest in an IDI theory to cover for Patsy).

4. Basement Window

JR told police first it was only open maybe “1/8 inch” (a few mm), then later claimed it was ‘wide open’.

5. Phone Call Timings

Were the Fernies called before 911? The Fernies lived ten minutes drive away but showed up about same time as police, which was a few mins after the 911 call.

6. Police Interview

The Ramseys only agreed to the April 97 police interview after requesting and receiving a copy of the 26 Dec 96 report. (No doubt so they be sure the stories weren’t incongruent.)

Next up, some general queries.

7. Ransom Letter

Is there not a proper, hi res, version available? All I can find online are low res renditions presumably of a photocopy. In most of them you can’t even see the ruled lines.

The 1-5 similarity scale for the handwriting was apparently invented by Ramsey hired handwriting consultants and was never a scale in use by actual experts.

Do we have any information about any impressions in the first page of the ransom letter by the removed ‘practice page’?

8. Mrs Stine

Why was Susan Stine so supportive of PR (even to the point of impersonating a Boulder police chief), while the other main friends, the Whites and Fernies, quickly discerned something wasn’t right and fell away?

9. The Gold Bracelet

The gold bracelet with name and date was a big Xmas present for JBR, but apparently given to her on evening of 23 Dec, the same night as the first 911 call.

Is there any information on why the gift was given early? The suggestion is that there was trouble between Patsy and JonBenet and it was given early as a ‘peace offering’ to placate JBR.

Not necessarily relevant, but:

10. Lack of Christmas Video

The first Christmas not documented with video and many photographs. initially JR stated it was because the camcorder batteries weren’t charged, then later because he just wanted to be a full part and not just participating through a lens.

11. A Bike for Burke

It’s been claimed he either had one previously, or was going to get one on his upcoming birthday.

12. Wiped Prints

The flashlight gave no prints: that’s been interpreted as ‘being wiped clean’, but it is just no usable prints?

That’s probably plenty for now and I hope these are not too many questions!

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u/DontTryToGrowABrain — 1 month ago

For those who think PDI, to what degree did John know?

After a brief flirtation with BDI, I think I’m firming up on PDI.

But I am still unsure (not that anyone obviously ever can be) on how much John knew about it or was involved in the staging/cover up with the ligature and ransom letter.

There’s a whole gamut of options from Patsy did everything entirely herself, with John fast asleep and totally unaware, to him getting involved after the chaos after the head blow to oversee the staging with the garrotte and the drafting of the fake ransom letter, or at least be a helpless bystander as a frantic Patsy maniacally set it all up.

A variant of PDI without John is that she hoped to get him out of the house as soon as possible to get the money for an ‘earlier collection’, which would give Patsy a chance to take the body out of the house, so the kidnap story would bear more weight. John deciding to call the police scuppered that plan and closed off that opportunity, leaving the incoherent situation of a purported kidnapping with a body in the house, waiting to be discovered.

I find it hard to believe that John didn’t hear a thing, though, and wasn’t so some degree involved in the staging.

What do you think about the level of John’s involvement? Does the content of the ransom note suggest input from John?

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u/DontTryToGrowABrain — 1 month ago