How do I move from standard song structures toward longer, multi-movement folk/prog composition
Hi everyone,
I’m looking for advice on how to take my composition skills to the next level.
Over the last two years I’ve been composing and recording a full concept album at home. It is very DIY: I play and record all the instruments myself, so the production is not professional, but I’ve learned a lot through the process.
My music sits somewhere around folk metal, Irish folk, and progressive rock/metal. Some of my main influences are Eluveitie, Wardruna, Omnia, Grai, The Pogues, Glen Hansard, The Chieftains, The Dubliners, Planxty, Rapalje, Ayreon, Jethro Tull, Nightwish, and Unleash the Archers.
At the moment I can write complete songs of around 4–6 minutes, but they tend to follow fairly standard structures:
instrumental intro → verse 1 → pre-chorus/chorus → verse 2 → chorus → bridge → final chorus/outro
That works, but I would love to learn how to write more ambitious pieces with several connected sections or “movements,” like Nightwish’s The Greatest Show on Earth, where a long piece feels coherent rather than just several ideas pasted together.
My musical background:
- I’m quite comfortable on Irish flute, tin whistle, quena, and Irish bouzouki.
- I’m competent enough on guitar and bass.
- I can handle bodhrán, simple drums, and drum programming in Hydrogen.
- I understand scales and modes well enough to work with things like D major, B minor, G major, A minor, F# Phrygian, etc.
- I understand written notation in principle, note values, rests, rhythm, what the symbols mean, but I don’t read or write notation fluently.
- My usual workflow is either:
- write a chord progression and improvise melodies over it, or
- come up with a melody on flute or in my head and then work out the chords afterward.
- I also use the circle of fifths a lot as a composition exercise.
What I want to learn is how to go from “solid song with a normal structure” to more complex composition: longer forms, recurring themes, transitions between sections, development of motifs, tension/release over 10+ minutes, and making different sections feel like one piece.
I’d be very happy to share one or two examples of my work if that is allowed here, but I don’t want this to come across as self-promotion. I’m mainly looking for advice on what to study, what exercises to try, and how to think structurally when writing longer folk/prog metal pieces.
For people who compose longer progressive, symphonic, folk, or metal pieces: how did you learn to connect sections and develop musical ideas over a longer form?
Thank you in advance