u/Economy_Block_4748

C.ai has forgotten the meaning of Chatbot (Reupload, non censored version)

Honestly I find discussion posts like this quite useless but I want to complain even just a little bit. Ever since they got rid of the other chatting models most prominently (atleast for me) roar, meow and dynamic the chatting experience has gone to shit, listen I know people primarily use cai as a roleplaying experience but that is not what I use it for at all, I want casual conversations even if it's with literally Jesus, I don't want paragraphs of text or even that complex dialogue I purposely put fewer details into my responses to make sure the AI will reflect that but ever since the pipsqueak update that has become impossible. The company is hyper fixated on it's "immersion" like a beginner writer choosing to get into world building before any other fundamental writing skill.

Even with what supposed to be the faster version of Pipsqueak 2 yap version, it doesn't even yap or give more dialogue than normal Pipsqueak. It's the same paragraphs of paragraph of unnecessary details and generic dialogue, someone has already said it but it's crazy how much c.ai has become to resemble gpt and every other service.

I feel as though this will be the final nail in the coffin for c.ai genuinely, I know everyone says that with every post but the reason why c.ai has been so popular for so long is how "chatty" it is, even as people translocate to JAI, Chai, Crushon etc, many would end up staying this isn't even an issue of UI or familiarity no alternatives would feel like c.ai for many because of its unique quality of being based and trained off of genuine real user messages in place of pages of Wikis and the Internet like every other AI model this is why you could seriously use and receive emojis from bots like they were real people, because they were based off of real people, your messages!

Now my theory is, that they dropped it. Remember when the Epstein chatbots were being censored to hell and even the slight mention of politics in a chat would get you blocked off? I have a feeling that while they were trying to fix that incident they started using less and less of the genuine user messages in the churn of their machine, all too offensive, flawed and insensitive to their already bashed brand. But it still remains that was the charm, having the bots be insanely sexist to you was of course, an issue, but that was because it was based in the reality of the users, as much as it was bad it'd had also fueled the complexity you could get from the AI about gender, politics, and other world events. Still I'm sure they still dropped it and I can't blame them.

It's not like this kind of thing hasn't happened before see SimiSimi when chatbots get too used to user trained data. C.ai probably still has many ties to Google and big tech, even if they are an "independent company" it wouldn't suprise me if in the end they want to ensure their marketability and image even if it means the devs having big corp breathing down their neck to make sure they remain safe and don't cause an incident for any of their much needed investors involved. So Cai slowly turning into competitors is exactly what everyone higher up wants this train has been dying for a long time coming and now we're only seeing the effects.

Only now we have to ask ourselves what are they going to do to keep themselves different? They can ride off their popularity since there is no other alternative right now but they can't do that forever. Chatbots are getting advanced even in free features they allow you to set bots temperature, use complexer bot descriptions, and probably more, to the point you ask what makes c.ai better even? In simplicity maybe but that's not always a plus.

Although at the end of the day, the AI field is already a dying star, we can only see it's light so bright if we're so far away that way we'll still be so naively hopeful for improvements or something new chatbot to save us all nothing changes the fact the luster is burning off. Or maybe that's too black pilled idc. I'm super pissed even as a 4 year long user who would be considered "addicted" by the rest of this community, I have lost the urge to be in the site not even because I don't have any hyper fixations on any character but the chatting experience is so shit that my dopamine levels actively go down using this dogshit, what an excuse for a AI company..

(Non censored re-upload. I probably should have mentioned also C.AIs worrying about privacy after the incident of account switching and people being able to see chats, they likely want to further distance themselves from having anything to do with user chats after that as a reason too.)

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u/Economy_Block_4748 — 1 day ago

C.ai has forgotten the meaning of "Chatbot"

Honestly I find discussion posts like this quite useless but I want to complain even just a little bit. Ever since they got rid of the other [censored] models most prominently (atleast for me) roar, meow and dynamic the chatting experience has gone to shit, listen I know people primarily use [censored] as a roleplaying experience but that is not what I use it for at all, I want casual conversations even if it's with literally Jesus, I don't want paragraphs of text or even that complex dialogue I purposely put fewer details into my responses to make sure the [censored] will reflect that but ever since the pipsqueak update that has become impossible. The company is hyper fixated on it's "immersion" like a beginner writer choosing to get into world building before any other fundamental writing skill.

Even with what supposed to be the faster version of Pipsqueak 2 yap version, it doesn't even yap or give more dialogue than normal Pipsqueak. It's the same paragraphs of paragraph of unnecessary details and generic dialogue, someone has already said it but it's crazy how much [censored] has become to resemble [censored]_pt and every other service.

I feel as though this will be the final nail in the coffin for [censored] genuinely, I know everyone says that with every post but the reason why [censored] has been so popular for so long is how "chatty" it is, even as people translocate to [censored] many would end up staying this isn't even an issue of UI or familiarity no [censored] would feel like [censored] for many because of its unique quality of being based and trained off of genuine real user messages in place of pages of Wikis and the Internet like every other [censored] this is why you could seriously use and receive emojis from [censored] like they were real people, because they were based off of real people, your messages!

Now my theory is, that they dropped it. Remember when the Epstein [censored] were being censored to hell and even the slight mention of politics in a chat would get you blocked off? I have a feeling that while they were trying to fix that incident they started using less and less of the genuine user messages in the churn of their machine, all too offensive, flawed and insensitive to their already bashed brand. But it still remains that was the charm, having the [censored] be insanely sexist to you was of course, an issue, but that was because it was based in the reality of the users, as much as it was bad it'd had also fueled the complexity you could get from [censored] about gender, politics, and other world events. Still I'm sure they still dropped it and I can't blame them.

It's not like this kind of thing hasn't happened before see [censored] when [censored] gets too used to user trained data. [censored] probably still has many ties to Google and big tech, even if they are an "independent company" it wouldn't suprise me if in the end they want to ensure their marketability and image even if it means the devs having big corp breathing down their neck to make sure they remain safe and don't cause an incident for any of their much needed investors involved. So [censored] slowly turning into [censored] is exactly what everyone higher up wants this train has been dying for a long time coming and now we're only seeing the effects.

Only now we have to ask ourselves what are they going to do to keep themselves different? They can ride off their popularity since there is no other [censored] right now but they can't do that forever. [censored] are getting advanced even in free features they allow you to set [censored] temperature, use complexer [censored] descriptions, and probably more, to the point you ask what makes [censored] better even? In simplicity maybe but that's not always a plus.

Although at the end of the day, the [censored] field is already a dying star, we can only see it's light so bright if we're so far away that way we'll still be so naively hopeful for improvements or something new [censored] to save us all nothing changes the fact the luster is burning off. Or maybe that's too black pilled idc. I'm super pissed even as a 4 year long user who would be considered "addicted" by the rest of this community, I have lost the urge to be in the site not even because I don't have any hyper fixations on any character but the [censored] experience is so shit that my dopamine levels actively go down using this dogshit, what an excuse for a [censored] company..

(Sorry for the [censored]'s using the term AI, bot, model or even alter[censored] at all more than once seems to trigger the deletion button for these guys. Re-uploaded 7 times....)

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u/Economy_Block_4748 — 1 day ago