

...I'd have two nickels...
If I had a nickel for every time I had a favorite character of a franchise that is an unique anthropomorphic animal and a villain who has done horrible atrocities, has white fur/feathers as well as red as part of their features; that are sophisticated and manipulative, a bit crazy and were also responsible for the "creation" of a protagonist/antagonist and (supposedly) died buried, ultimately because of their own rubris and ambitions...
I'd have two nickels... which isn't a lot, but it's weird it happened twice 🤔
(It's also weird that I also decided to redeem the both of them by giving them (or focusing on his existing, on Shen's case) tragic backstory to explain (but not justify) their actions, and saw/made AUs for them of said redemptions, because they barely have good content in media and are hated (as villains should be, a love/hate relationship))