Just wanted to repost this so some people dont miss it.
This is great news, and props to Ryagi for relaying this info to us quickly. Shows the devs are taking into account our feedback on this and what we think is the best short term solution.
He also said not very likely, so it may still be there but this is a step up compared to other ongoing issues.
(From the Paradox Forum)
Lol, many of us were saying that adding this in at this time would be: 1) Not very accurate or fun in-game and 2) likely wouldn’t function how the devs were intending in this complex game.
I understand this is an open beta, but those saying that an open beta is supposed to be riddled with this many problems thereby preventing more feedback on known/new issues are just delusional and cant fathom giving necessary critiques from a player perspective. I say all this because this issue (economy and trust loss) is not even among the major problems with the open beta. The (once again) broken disease system is a far bigger issue on top of other major problems and a noticeable downgrade of performance after a major improvement in 1.2.5 which still needed to be improved upon.
I tried to start a new England game with hopes to test out the new War of the Roses event rework and see if it is fixed yet, but couldn’t make it past 1353. I already knew what was coming: massive depopulation and non-existent peasants by mid game. I lost a quarter of my pops to flu and smallpox before the black death began. Also, integrating some vassals early made people hate me due to their numbers getting temporarily added into my own tax base before control naturally declined.
Only played the open beta for about 4 hours last night and im not going back. Sucks because I really wanted to experience what all they added and maybe give some props to the devs, but its not worth suffering through that.
Edit: Also whatever changes they made to trade, demand, and goods has completely botched a lot in terms of growing your economy. The point of growing your economy in this game is to get higher income and do more stuff.
I am having an extremely joyless time playing Austria. The flavor is great, and I like the starting position. It is fun if you can get it going.
But these damn electors will just not stop voting for me. I insult them, conquer and pillage them and their friends, hell I even embargo some of them and pull every tool out. It is quite ridiculous that we cannot refuse the HRE crown. There is some historical precedent for it, so I do not know why Paradox never took this into consideration: maybe some people dont want to have the HRE crown forced on them? Maybe just not right now at least.
As Austria it makes getting the Privilegium how you want it ridiculous. I am struggling NOT to become emperor within 10 years of game start because the initial Emperor starts old. Also, what if I dont want to have to defend or take penalties from refusing calls to defend princes against England all the way across the map?
I saw somewhere (I think on the forums) that the way the privilegium fires (either before or after becoming emperor) was a design choice, but like why? Why does everything have to be random and take away some player agency? There’s no way a discussion NEVER happened about adding a button to refuse during development right? If there was one then I wonder what exactly is the justification for not adding the button.
Im going to start by saying that I played two England campaigns (both on patch 1.2.4) purely for to see if this is a persistent issue. I have also played England at launch and tried during the launch of 1.2, but the economy was just broken and not fun during 1.2.
The War of the Roses has been broken since launch. You could probably say it is COMPLETELY broken. During launch most likely the event would just last one monthly tick and then end. But this is not the worst part. Now, the current bug is that the requirements will pause around 97% and just not progress, leaving you in an unending loop of negative events and giving all of your money to the nobles.
For the first time I decided to go into debug mode for the console and just advance the tick with a command.
This gets EVEN WORSE. When the event actually does fire the entire thing is so bugged to hell you might as well say it is broken. First, it is so broken that the game just keeps giving you the event you get at the start of the war EVERY MONTH. This makes the long monthly ticks horrendous. Second, the war STILL ends in one month. However, now your other rebel pops get looped into the event (not sure if this is intended, but both times i just fought against rebellious nobles). So, I had to plummet my own estate satisfaction both times and wait for the event (now the nobles estate, but still seen in the war of the roses event menu) to tick up.
In the end, you end up fighting against a random character who is not even a York or Lancaster and you actually cannot even surrender the war due to the stupid population requirements to do so. I dont want to rant too much more, but yeah, the entire thing is just a buggy mess.
I saw someone else post a comment in a thread about this months ago, but I just have to restate it because ultimately I agree:
I somewhat believe the developers left the initial bug of failing to tick up to even have the event fire because they do not want us to see what an incomplete mess the entire thing is. Sorry to the developers who might get offended by this, but this is a prime reason why you do not release a game where some parts of it are just straight-up broken and have been since launch.
There are definitely things they need to fix which harm all countries and the game in general before they even get to this, but that is just further proof that the studio is just not producing something which can even be considered quality.