u/EnoughMechanic5735

The Petless Hunter Challenge - Food for Thought - AKA to which extent is limiting your claracter for a challenge considered griefing?

" Hunter, where pet" - my paladin tank about to pull Princess Theredras after a full mara run

"Why don't you have a pet?

(I ate it)

Understandable, have a nice day"

-exchange between me and a random gnome mage in arathi highlands

"The growl pet can off tank a bit if one happens to get loose"

-the raid coms in UBRS, where I was the only hunter, the room outside The Beast

I really liked the part of HC where there were a ton of people playing it their own way, with SF, SSF, and other challenge runs ranging from having to use an off meta spec to going full naked warrior and everything in between. That said, it's still a multiplayer game, so at what point when you go activities involving other people is it considered griefing to be limiting yourself in these challenge runs?

Yeah, the reason i ask this aloud is I looked at how many people were doing challenge runs such SF - had one time where I was a druid healer and I had a SSF tank for Deadmines.... He had 407 HP. Yeah, we cleared VC and I gained a few wrinkles but it was fun. This inspired me a while back to make my own challenge run with a class I had more experience with to spice it up - Hunter.

I already knew Hunter inside and out and figured it would be boring without some self imposed challenges:

  1. No guns allowed - had to use bows/crossbows only. Was a dwarf to start as well.

  2. No pet allowed

For my run, I never did the quest to get a pet. It was ton of fun, and I did ding 60 and have near full Pre-Bis complete. I ran deep survival tree with finishing talents in marksman. I got really good at melee weaving since Hunter has seperate swing timers for shots and melee strikes, and survival giving 30% stronger traps often made me top the meters on AOE pulls. The experience was akin to playing a boomkin - you come in blasting hard and OOM fast since you're always clicking a button to either slow a mob, melee weave, use ranged skills or to trap weave. Lots of kitting. Not having a pet made my rotation clean by being my only focus and trap weaving was super consistent when you don't have a pet to keep you in combat sometimes on feign death weaving, but I had no illusions though, not having a pet is not a super hidden ultimate build that is better than BM or Survival with a pet at the end of the day.

Overall I consider my journey was a success (I dinged 60 and did every dungeon after all) - I had some people very vocally critique this and call it straight griefing, but what are your thoughts? Is it griefing to do a challenge run and join groups with a limited character?

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u/EnoughMechanic5735 — 19 hours ago

HC Paladin Tanking - A Guide and Discussion

Hello!

I've playing HC on and off since it dropped and had a ton of fun trying to play off meta specs. No-pet Hunter and Prot Paladin were my favorite, but for tank paladin I kept running into roadblocks - not from other players (nah HC players are like the coolest cucumbers I've ever met), but from just there not being a ton of detailed information online on what you would think would be commonly asked questions - "does this boss have a threat drop, what ability/how does the drop work, how do I gear up as a Prot", for example. I really didn't want to run content and just have a boss walk past me and send dudes back to lvl 1 so I spent far too long looking for stuff online and asking random Paladins for guidance as I neared 60.

Currently I am rocking a 60 Prot under the name Pigona, and ran about 30-40 levelling dungeons and likely around 150 dungeons at 60 - and have never had a party member die while tanking, so I have some authority at least to chime in, and wanted to share some of the stuff I learned as so much of the info for playing classic tank paladin is scattered and incomplete at best, or just unwritten and only exists in a few random players' esoteric knowledge base at worst; If any among you have been thinking of playing Prot Paladin but wanted some assurance - YES YOU CAN TANK AS A PALADIN, GO FOR IT!!! For insight, take a look at this google doc guide I made that can help you be the very best! I will leave commenting on for anyone who wants me to edit stuff!

I also wanted to encourage any classic Prot Paladin pros to share their thoughts and any tips or tricks so we can get the info out there (and make me a better tank too!) .

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fNvGIT6XVwa0FcZ12m5rdsLeLp-qmTK_lVVNIxgWGF8/edit?usp=sharing

u/EnoughMechanic5735 — 4 days ago