
using a couple simple pics to understand what capitalism and socialism really are
introduction
just now i tried to drag and drop an image into this text box and i learned that images are not allowed. let me guess, too many people posted silly meme pics? i just checked the rules of this subreddit but didn't see any mention of images.
i'm new to this subreddit and so far i like it for a couple reasons... downvoting is discouraged and there are members on each side of the political/economic spectrum.
in my first post i had several decent discussions even though basically everybody disagreed with my main points. in many cases the disagreements were rather basic, such as what capitalism and socialism actually are. so i figured i'd share my own definitions, which naturally i consider to be the most helpful.
i have a couple pics that are really useful for illustrating the difference between capitalism and socialism. you can see them on my blog or you can just rely on my descriptions of them.
the botanic garden metaphor
the first pic is of a clear donation box which is the first thing visitors see when they enter the south coast botanic garden. on the box it says, "help our garden grow!"
this begs the question, help their garden grow... what? poison oak?
imagine if poison oak was the only thing that farmers grew. there wouldn't be any other crops, so we'd all die.
i feel like this is really good common ground whether you're a capitalist or a socialist. we should all readily agree that it would be a really bad idea for farmers to only grow poison oak. even if i was mao zedong's most trusted adviser, and i told him that the farmers should grow poison oak, he'd think that i had lost my mind.
therefore, there's an implicit rule we all share that should be made explicit. not sure how best to describe it...
a. let's not waste society's limited resources on growing useless things.
b. let's use society's limited resources to grow the most useful things.
c. ?
since capitalists and socialists both want to follow this rule, i think its really important. the crux of the matter is how to determine usefulness.
defining capitalism vs. socialism
the fundamental difference between capitalism and socialism is how we decide what to grow. capitalism is pretty simple. nobody buys poison oak, so farmers don't grow it. farmers only grow what people are willing to buy. everyone uses their own money to help society decide what to grow. the consumer is king. its consumer sovereignty. consumers use their own money to help define "usefulness".
how does socialism decide what to grow? most of you aren't going to like my answer. the method socialism uses to decide what to grow is: not consumer sovereignty. maybe everybody votes. maybe a bunch of committees are formed. maybe mao zedong decides. whatever the exact method is, its ”not-capitalism”.
the donation box at the botanic garden basically says, "give us your money and we will decide for you what we grow". this is not-capitalism, which means its socialism. socialism is not-capitalism. anything that isn't capitalism is essentially socialism.
to illustrate what capitalism in this case would look like, i photoshopped the picture so it has 2 donation boxes... one for ornamental plants and the other for edible plants. this is basically a survey that the botanic garden is conducting...
what should we grow?
a. ornamental plants
b. edible plants
people don't participate by voting for their preferred option, they participate by donating for it. they use their donations to rank the two options.
naturally, these two categories are extremely broad. each category includes around at least a gazillion different plants. so actually this pic illustrates that there's a continuum between capitalism and not-capitalism (socialism).
closer to full capitalism would be a survey where participants can donate for any plant option.
of course quite a few of you really want to say something about ownership of the means of production.
personal experience and real-world experiments
i live in los angeles but a couple years ago i purchased a 10 acre orange grove in central florida. in this case i clearly own the means of production. i have full control over deciding what i do with my land, more or less. yet, since i really love capitalism, on my grove's homepage there's a survey where anyone can use donations to help me decide what to grow. naturally the suggestions aren't binding, but everyone's answers are public. participation has been meager but thats to be expected.
let's get back to our common ground. if tomorrow we wake up and all the plants in the world have been replaced with poison oak, we'd all be horrified. it doesn't matter if you're a capitalist or a not-capitalist (socialist), you'd clearly understand and recognize the problem with the complete absence of useful plants. there'd be zero plants in the world that are actually relevant to our preferences, so we'd all be seriously screwed.
therefore, the relevance of what society grows is of utmost importance. we should all strongly agree with this. where we disagree is how we determine the relevance of a plant. if you believe that everyone should decide for themselves, with their own money, how relevant a plant is, then you're a capitalist. if you believe otherwise, then you're a not-capitalist (socialist).
common ground is really useful, so let's find more of it. whether you're a capitalist or a socialist, you should appreciate science. science is how we filter fact from fiction. my 10 acre grove is a real life experiment in capitalism. its a completely safe experiment, in the sense that i'm the only one who can be negatively impacted. and its a relatively easy experiment, compared to a particle accelerator. plus, its potential benefit is magnitudes greater. but you don’t need a physical farm to test economic models. we are already immersed in massive, everyday digital laboratories that default to the exact opposite model.
on facebook anyone can easily create any group for free. personally i'm a member of countless plant groups. they are all socialist. the group decisions... topics, rules, whether its public or private, whether to ban someone, cover photo, and so on... could all be made via donations, but they aren't. so people don't learn what capitalism is good for. this is why socialism continues to exist, to everyone's massive detriment. as a result of rampant socialism, the world is far less relevant to everyone's actual needs and wants. socialists blame capitalism, but in reality the problem is the absence of capitalism. again, the absence of capitalism is socialism.
if you're a socialist, and you love science, you should really want to see numerous experiments involving capitalist facebook groups. ceteris paribus, what difference does it make when group decisions are made with donations? it would behoove you to find out sooner rather than later, otherwise its entirely possible that you're wasting your limited and precious life barking up the really wrong tree.
conclusion: testing economic models
the core of the debate between capitalism and socialism really shouldn’t be about abstract definitions. rather, it should be about the practical mechanism for determining value and allocating resources. by recognizing that we share a common goal—avoiding 'poison oak' outcomes and prioritizing relevant, useful production—we can shift the conversation from ideological impasse to empirical investigation. we don't need to guess which model works; we can simply test them. let's move beyond theoretical/academic disagreements and create real-world digital laboratories where different decision-making models can be compared in action. whether you identify as a capitalist or a socialist, if you value scientific inquiry and measurable outcomes, join me in putting these systems to the test. create a facebook group, link to it in a comment, and i’ll join it. hopefully others will as well. then we can all see and learn together which economic model truly serves our needs the best.
the proof is in the pudding, and fortunately for humanity, making pudding isn’t that difficult.