The Zionist lobby, the left and the far right: Don’t let imperialism off the hook

The Zionist lobby, the left and the far right: Don’t let imperialism off the hook

I found this article very interesting to describe the relationship and power dynamics between Israel, US and Europe, which I really recommend for people to read if they don't want to jumb to some unrealistic conclusions like "AIPAC/Israel controls the US.

>The US ruling class does not need a “lobby” to persuade it that Israel is indispensable to its interests.

>As backing Israel is a touchstone for US imperialism, it’s not surprising that supporters of Israel hold key positions in the US state and political establishment. But US imperialism is not the puppet of a Zionist lobby.

>From the outset, it was the interests of British imperialism that drove support for a Jewish state. Its most aggressive proponents, including Balfour, had been trenchant supporters of the Boer War in South Africa and opponents of Irish Home Rule.

>The Zionist leadership was completely reliant on their support. They did not even have the support of the Jewish establishment—for instance, the Board of Deputies of British Jews strongly opposed the declaration. The only Jewish member of the cabinet, Edwin Montague, vehemently opposed it.

>The same is true of US support. The principal Zionist lobby group, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (Aipac), did not exist as a serious lobby until the 1980s. The US guarantee of Israel’s military superior firepower long preceded the rise of Aipac as a serious political force.

>Aipac’s lobbying fitted with US imperialist commitment to Israel without difficulty. Its director in the 80s, Thomas Dine, noted that Israel already had overwhelming support in Congress where Israel was seen as the US’s strongest ally. The Christian Science Monitor magazine noted that the group did not have to twist any arms.

>Why is Israel of such importance to the US ruling class? That’s because of the specific settler colonial and militarised structure of the Israeli state and society.

>As a settler population, Israeli Jews have a material interest in Palestinians’ continued dispossession. The Palestinians’ resistance—even their presence—presents a constant threat.

>This material reality, rather than ideology or indoctrination, binds the settler population to the Zionist state and to imperialism.

>While the US supports other regimes in the region, they have a fatal Achilles heel—the threat of revolt from their own people. The Iranian Revolution of 1979 is the prime example. The Shah’s regime was another pillar of US dominance in the Middle East—and its fall sent shock waves through the region.

>US and Israeli strategy do not always align—for example, Israeli terror and aggression can threaten stability and revolt in the region, which fuels tensions.  

>However, two factors prevent these tensions from reaching breaking point. First, US reliance on Israel as its garrison in the region. Second, Israel’s dependence on US military power and hegemony.

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Who called it the civil war?

I wonder who the f. called the 1948 settler colonial attack by Zionist militias and armies a "civil war"? It's the first time in my life that I see a "civil war" between two populations who simply never lived with each others?

If so, we don't we call the war between European settlers and native Americans a civil war?

Or the war between European settlers and Algerians a civil war?

I understand that Israel spent so much money to change history but I mean, we can't change definitions to just fit some sick ideological narrative, I guess.

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u/Equivalent_Style_835 — 4 days ago

The majority of Israelis don't disagree with the far-right when it comes to Palestinians treatment

When talking with Zionists, it’s easy to get the impression that Israeli society is fundamentally torn down the middle into two distinct camps: liberal, pro-democracy moderates on one side, and the religious-nationalist, far-right wing represented by figures like Itamar Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich on the other.

While this domestic fracture might be real evident in mass protests over judicial overhauls, draft exemptions for the Ultra-Orthodox (Haredim), and the character of the state, usually, liberal Zionists use it to create a misleading narrative for international communities. But the truth is, this deep internal conflict within Israeli society is almost entirely about internal governance and how the state serves Jewish citizens.

When it comes to the Palestinian issue, security doctrine, occupation, and the rejection of a fully sovereign Palestinian state, the divide mostly vanishes. What exists instead is a broad, bipartisan consensus across the "Center-Left", Center, and Right.

While mainstream politicians criticize Itamar Ben-Gvir’s rhetoric, opposition and self-described "centrist" secular parties frequently vote alongside the far-right on hardline measures targeting Palestinians:

Legislation championed by Ben-Gvir, such as the Death Penalty for Terrorists bill and various security amendments, received critical backing from opposition figures (such as Avigdor Liberman's Yisrael Beytenu party).

This demonstrates that when bills target Palestinians specifically, political rivalries dissolve in favor of a broad nationalist voting bloc.

According to a 2024 poll by the Israel Democracy Institute (IDI), 63% of Israeli Jews explicitly oppose the establishment of a Palestinian state, even as part of international peace agreements.

Long-term Trend: A 2024 report by the Pew Research Center showed that only 35% of Israelis believed a way could be found for Israel and an independent Palestinian state to coexist peacefully, a figure that has dropped steadily over the past decade.

While most Israelis wouldn't refer to the motive behind their support for the occupation of the WB or Gaza for religious reasons, they still see this occupation valid for security purposes. As shown in this Israeli propaganda video for example.

Another example even before the genocide and during one of the most "revolutionary" moments of the Israeli society, the mass judicial reform protests on Kaplan Street in Tel Aviv in early 2023, mainstream organizers consistently distanced themselves from anti-occupation activists and rejected the waving of Palestinian flags at demonstrations, insisting that the movement was purely a "patriotic" fight over Jewish-democratic institutions, not Palestinian rights.

and of course there shouldn't be any hope for the upcoming Israeli elections, in which centrist political leaders like Yair Lapid or Benny Gantz do not propose ending the military occupation or dismantling major settlements. Their platform focuses on "conflict management" and security control rather than negotiating a sovereign Palestinian state.

u/Equivalent_Style_835 — 12 days ago

Ex-Israel defence minister SQUATTED in Palestinian home as a child

It was as simple as that, but Zionists are trying to manipulate -a very well documented- history. And didn't really matter if Palestinians were kind or hostile towards them, you will take this home in the second floor, and that's it.

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u/Equivalent_Style_835 — 19 days ago

Palestine is not an Apartheid case - It's much worse

When I see so many discussions about whether Israel is applying apartheid policies on Palestinians or not, I constantly remember Chomsky's several interviews and article in which he described the situation in Palestine after the 1st intifada, when Israel decided to implement a total closure against the Palestinians, and therefore decrease its dependance on Palestinian labor.

2014 Interview:

>Many reasons. Take, say, the term “apartheid.” In the Occupied Territories, what Israel is doing is much worse than apartheid. To call it apartheid is a gift to Israel, at least if by “apartheid” you mean South African-style apartheid. What’s happening in the Occupied Territories is much worse. There’s a crucial difference. The South African Nationalists needed the black population. That was their workforce. It was 85 percent of the workforce of the population, and that was basically their workforce. They needed them. They had to sustain them. The bantustans were horrifying, but South Africa did try to sustain them. They didn’t put them on a diet. They tried to keep them strong enough to do the work that they needed for the country. They tried to get international support for the bantustans.

>The Israeli relationship to the Palestinians in the Occupied Territories is totally different. They just don’t want them. They want them out, or at least in prison. And they’re acting that way. That’s a very striking difference, which means that the apartheid analogy, South African apartheid, to the Occupied Territories is just a gift to Israeli violence. It’s much worse than that. If you look inside Israel, there’s plenty of repression and discrimination. I’ve written about it extensively for decades. But it’s not apartheid. It’s bad, but it’s not apartheid. So the term, I just don’t think is applicable.

2020 interview

>Israel does not want Nablus, doesn’t want Tulkarm, doesn’t want Palestinians. So, nothing like the anti-apartheid struggle, where the white population needed the black population, and in fact tried to subsidize the Bantustans, tried to make them look decent to the international community. This is quite different. Israel just wants the Palestinians out. It does use them for cheap labor, but they can get cheap exploited labor from Thailand or other places, and do in fact.

>They just want the Palestinians out. What they’ve been doing for fifty years and what you see before your eyes, which you can see if you drive around the West Bank, is a greater Israel. Israel takes over all the valuable areas, the Jordan Valley, about a third of the territory, the fertile land, and kicks out the population on one or another pretexts.

>Take greater Jerusalem, a huge area about five times the size of what Jerusalem ever was, or take the city of Ma’ale Adumim east of Jerusalem, built up mostly in the Clinton years, corridor to it, pretty much bisects the West Bank. Same to the north with the town of Ariel, the town of Kedumim. Leave out the Palestinian population concentrations, and don’t take Nablus, that’s for them, until Israel finally manages to get rid of them.

>The rest of the Palestinians who live in the areas that Israel’s taking over, put them in isolated enclaves, separated from their olive groves, agricultural areas, herds, with checkpoints, which occasionally are open at the will of Israeli soldiers. Keep them in isolation, subjected to constant attacks by what are called hilltop youth and other terrorist crazies and just make life impossible for them.

This analysis for me at least is much more accurate than easily say it's an apartheid, however, I understand why people can't find another word to describe what Israel is doing, because this word hasn't existed yet.

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u/Equivalent_Style_835 — 1 month ago
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Australia's antisemitism commission hasn't been going as planned. An Australian Jewish woman testified in defense of Palestinian freedom, saying: "I do think Zionism in itself is support for [...]the existence of the State of Israel, and I think that is a racist project."

u/AzralEl161 — 1 month ago

Ongoing Complicity in the Zionist Project

I have been in countless discussions recently where Zionists attempt to absolve themselves of the bloody, colonial history of the state of Israel.

The common defense usually boils down to: "Sure, the land was taken, but I didn't steal it myself but my parents or grandparents did. Why should I be held responsible?"

This argument falls apart under the slightest scrutiny. While it is true that younger generations of Israeli Jews did not personally draft the original maps of displacement, they are inheriting, and actively accelerating, the project. Far from moving toward reconciliation, we are witnessing a generation growing up more radicalized than the state’s original founders. The violence isn't a historical footnote; it is a daily, deliberate choice.

You cannot claim innocence for a theft that is still actively occurring in front of you. The systemic oppression of Palestinians has never paused:

  • Permanent military occupation and relentless settler-colonial expansion.
  • Constant warfare resulting in the devastating loss of civilian lives, including thousands of children.
  • The ongoing seizure of Palestinian homes, land, and resources.
  • The systematic denial of Palestinian humanity, history, and basic rights.
  • To live in, benefit from, and defend this system is to be an active participant in it.

No one gets to wash their hands of a system they actively sustain. If you serve in an occupying army, pay taxes that fund the expansion of illegal settlements, and spend your energy online or in public spaces excusing and justifying these actions, you are complicit. You cannot fund and support the machine and then claim you are just an innocent bystander.

This standard of accountability applies universally. It extends to anyone, regardless of ethnicity or background, who willingly participates in, funds, or supports this military apparatus.

This includes Israeli citizens of Palestinian descent, Druze communities, and other minority groups who enlist or side with the occupation. Choosing to align with an oppressive state against the fundamental human rights of those being occupied is not a survival strategy, it is the ultimate moral bankruptcy. Siding with the oppressor for personal gain or perceived safety is a tragic, deeply indefensible betrayal of human solidarity.

Bottom line: You do not get to inherit the spoils of colonial violence, actively maintain the machinery of displacement, and then claim moral absolution. If you support the status quo, you own its consequences.

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u/Equivalent_Style_835 — 1 month ago
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Help us reach his.

Hi there!

Here's the story of my uncle, Dr. Anis Abdelhamid Al-Astal, Director of the Ambulance Unit in Southern Gaza. On December the second 2023, he got detained by the IDF while evacuating patients from Kamal Adwan Hospital in the North into the South, the process was coordinated via the Red Cross.

More than two and a half years have passed since then, and we know nothing about him, his condition, everything. My uncle is not affiliated with any armed group, and has not assisted any terrorist acts, he was only fulfilling his duty.

Please do not hesitate if you can help us reach him in anyway. We are not asking much, we want a just trial, we want to get reassured.

Any help is very much appreciated, thanks!

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u/Equivalent_Style_835 — 1 month ago