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Answer:

I think the poser of this question doesn’t understand some things. Then, relies completely on some beliefs that are found solely in Calvinism. And John Calvin, he’s the author or authority of Calvinism. Calvin, and his imaginative beliefs, are in his (1536AD) book: "The Institutes of the Christian Religion" - then, it's really just a man. John Calvin, and as a man, he claim his observations are the very institutes of the Christian religion - is just great, swelling words - and he’s not even mentioned in the question.

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The challenge is:

• It’s “subtle.” Like a deception. 1. not immediately obvious or comprehensible [Source: Collins. Web.]. Means you just could accept it as true, and not really realize or comprehend it’s a deception. Has a lie in it.

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So, let’s take your question and break it down in to THREE smaller parts:

• ONE
  • Why would God predestine anybody to damnation
• Answer: Change the question. Ask: Why would my Biology teacher predestine anybody to failing Biology in Junior High School?
  • When he doesn’t. Anybody - whosoever it was in my Junior High School, and EVERYBODY had to take Biology sometime during the year; just they had a “choice” what “period” - either 1st period thru 5th period, and what semester they wanted to take it. Whosoever came to the Biology class, got in.

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• a) Those that “hearkened diligently” unto the Biology Teacher - that is, they, as a “disciple of the Biology teacher,” or just a student or pupil that sits under a teacher - they paid careful attention to the teacher. When assigned daily eading, or to do an essay, or encouraged to participate in discussions in class? Yeah.
  • They read the texts.
  • Participated in class discussions.
  • They completed the essays decreed by their teacher in Biology to be done.
  • Turned in projects the Biology teacher decreed be done, by the deadline.
• Each and every student or pupil of this Biology subject: had FULL ACCESS to the Biology Teacher.
  • Everyday.
• He was there to help them all PASS Biology. Was with them, and by the Biology teacher, learned Biology. He was Not willing any fail, but all learn Biology. Got an “A” or B+ in class. PASSED.

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• b) Those that “lowly esteem” or dismissed the Biology Teacher - Daydreaming about girls and who wore the shortest skirt, and how much could you see, if you kept looking or off day dreaming about baseball.
  • The game after school.
  • Never even opened the Biology text book.
  • That is, Biology, there wasn’t any profit to take a yoke upon themself to learn it, so even though they showed up, they were never a “disciple of the Biology teacher.”
  • Didn’t even know him. Sat in class, but not under any biology teacher.
    • They never read the texts.
    • Never participated in any class discussions.
    • They never completed any essay, or if they did, it was so poor, they got an “F” on the work.
  • Didn’t do anything the Biology teacher decreed be done.
  • Even though everybody around them was busily working on their Biology project. No fruit. Never started. Didn’t turn anything in.
• Even they also had FULL ACCESS everyday to the Biology Teacher.
  • Everyday.
• He was there to help them PASS Biology, they dismissed him as feckled toilet paper wadded up on the floor in the bathroom. Even the Biology teacher was not willing any fail, but all learn Biology. This student never learned Biology. Got an “F” in class. FAILED. * damn. 1. an exclamation of frustration that criticizes 2. an expression of displeasure.

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• The Biology teacher was not pleased; rather saw the whole thing from DAY ONE.
  • His efforts frustrated or thwarted by the student in “b)” but
  • He was filled with joy at the students in “a)” that just did what he says.

At no time did the Biology teacher - before the class or anyone even sign up: “PREDESTINE” or “PREDETERMINE” specific students before the school year even started: mark them. That they specifically would FAIL Biology.

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• BUT! - - someone believe this!
  • Say the Biology Teacher is “Sovereign” over the Biology subject and the class.
• Claim out: Because of the Biology teacher, is Lord over the Biology class, the student in “b)” before they even signed up.
  • The Biology Teacher predestined before the school year began: that “b)” student to receive a failing grade.

That's Calvin and his explanation of PREDESTINATION in Book III, Chapter XXI, of "Institutes of the Christian Religion" - Told you. Great swelling words. Like clouds with no rain in it. Bible warns believers to stay clear of people like this. They are "spots" "blemishes." To mark them and avoid them. Boy, does that ever work.

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Now, it’s subtle.

• But with the following, I want you to, compare the above, with what God says in the following:
  • #1 - 2 Peter 3:9 says, that GOD: “..is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
    • That’s everybody. Over the whole earth. That he formed each of us; alone, by himself. From our mother’s womb. (Isaiah 44:24)
  • #2 - Isaiah 45:22 says, because it's this same God not willing any perish, but all come to repentance, like the Biology teacher is not willing any student in the whole school, not one fail Biology - but all learn it rightly…..want’s every student in Biology to look unto him. Just like God says:
    • “Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.” - God.

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• It’s people then.
  • In a) Just look unto him.
    • And all look unto is, someone would have to carefully consider who he is first. To open up the Bible. Like what a) above in Biology did. They just opened up the Biology book and who they sat with, taught them Biology. The Biology teacher.
  • Is just like a) here: is a disciple of Jesus Christ.
    • Sits with and is taught by Jesus Christ as a pupil and a student - and God reserves an exclusive right to himself to do this with each and every person over the whole earth.
  • And “a)” hearkens, that is, pays careful attention to Jesus daily. He is with them and they hear his voice. Just like “a)” above heard the Biology teacher, and learned from him. No different.

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• But just like b) any person, over the whole earth, doesn’t matter who it is, just like with the Biology teacher, wants everybody to learn Biology.
  • It’s a decree every student is to learn it.
  • Just like God decreed everybody over the whole earth look unto him.
• The girls in the high school, wearing short dresses, drown all he says right clean out. Like “b)” above, hearing..they don’t hear anything the Biology teacher says.
• Because they don’t sit with and are not being taught Biology, off daydreaming the whole class about baseball.
  • They are far from the class.
• Just like people. Don’t do anything God says.

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• And those in “a)” did what God said. He's pleased with them. He wanted everybody to do that.
• But those in “b)” didn’t do anything God said. He is - just like the Biology teacher gave those didn’t do anything he said, gave them an “F” * Has: damn. 1. an exclamation of frustration that criticizes 2. an expression of displeasure.

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God didn’t “PREDESTINE” and create anybody to hate him. He created, even prayed for it, that they might know him. And people that hearken unto him, whosoever it be, like just anybody show up to the Biology class, sits and is taught Biology.

But people that, once in class, are never there - don’t “partake” of Biology… …just like people here on this earth, when he say “For all the earth is mine” - God. (Exodus 19:5) you are on his earth. It’s his.

Don’t do anything he says, has a result: Has: damn. 1. an exclamation of frustration that criticizes 2. an expression of displeasure.

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So Calvin claiming the Biology teacher PREDESTINED some students - when all can come, some to PASS while specifically, before the school year even started - before specific students: before they even signed up - predetermined he’d make others fail.

- That’s an awfully evil Biology Teacher.

Does not have any good in him. So, any claim, even Calvin make this about the Biology teacher, when it’s not true - makes Calvin a blaspheming liar. Because he claims this about God.

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• But what was PREDETERMINED before the class ever started was - whosoever partakes of Biology, and participates in class, and sits with an learns Biology - they PASS.
  • And the school and the Biology teacher are one. And champion this out. It’s the goal that every student in Junior High or High School learn Biology.
• Just like God decreed every person would live by every word proceeds out of his mouth (Matthew 4:4)
  • What is PREDETERMINED before the world began, those that don’t, has this result: damn. 1. an exclamation of frustration that criticizes 2. an expression of displeasure.
    • By God himself.
• TWO: 
  • And: This is what is seemingly implied in Romans Chapter 9.

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And: THREE:

- It’s the Mark of a Good God, because, as the Bible says: Don’t forget this part:

“There is not a just man on earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not” - Bible. Ecclesiastes 7:20.

“filthy; done abominable works.. none good; no, not one. Live as if there is no God.” - Bible. Psalm 14:1–3

Says this about EVERYBODY. Including Adam - and everybody forward - everybody over the whole earth is from him.

• That INCLUDES John Calvin. And all his warped, piled up observations that don’t have any God in it.
• Because what he claims is God.. ..isn't.
  • Just shows he does not know him. So you would see it.
• To claim these things out about him. Like claim falsely the Biology teacher selected, even before the school year started to destine specifically - specific students to fail biology vs. teach every body over the whole school, whosoever would come to his class, just teach them Biology. As the Biology Teacher.

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• **But there’s hope. Jesus said: “**There is NONE good, but one, that is, God” (Matthew 19:17). 
  • Your question subtly leads people to make people GOOD without God be good. Is the work of someone that does not know him. He’s Good. There’s just one good. There is none else.
• None else to look unto: Just like with the Biology teacher. In Biology. There is none else. But people - students, find themselves in the Biology teacher's class: daydream out the window.
  • So, ask the question: Who gets the damn. 1. an exclamation of frustration that criticizes 2. an expression of displeasure? In your question?
    • ANSWER: Yeah. God.
  • It’s subtle. But that's what’s wrong with Calvin. And that’s what’s wrong with your question.

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• Jesus prayed for you. That you might know him, and you can know God, by the word of God.
  • What he says out of his mouth vs. what comes out of the mouth - great swelling words, that came out of Calvin.
    • He’s dead.
    • He’s not coming back.
  • His observations died with him. But God - he speaks and his word is life giving.

Your questions are answered. Herein is the gospel. The Good News of Jesus Christ to everybody on Reddit.

Answer:

• Well, I want to make sure you got this right: The “Christian” part:
  • Because, “disciples of Jesus Christ” were first called “Christians” in Antioch (Source: Bible. Acts 11:26)
    • So, before they were “called” ‘Christians’ - and who called them that, were people in Antioch - It was a main epicentre metropolis of Hellenistic Greek culture, ruled over but was also worshipped as good by the Romans. And they mainly worshipped Apollos because his primary and main Temple was there.

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• So, people that worshipped Apollos as God, and the temple to Daphne, was just outside the city - who was a deity of Artemis.
  • Artemis, who the Romans renamed her, "Diana" - is still Apollos’ older twin sister.
    • And this "Daphne" - - This “cupid” God. That was Daphne, and many today just know as this little poofy thingy as “cupid.”
  • That’s Daphne, with a bow and arrow.
  • These people: Iin Antioch of Paul's day: They are worshipping all these other gods - called “Disciples of Jesus Christ” Christians.

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And all a “disciple” is,

• Is defined as 1. a pupil or student that sits with a teacher.
  • So, a disciple of Jesus Christ is just a pupil that sits with and is taught by Jesus Christ.

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So, you are asking someone that sits with Jesus Christ and is taught by him - - how would they determine if someone is Anti-Christ.

• 2 John 1:7 says:
• “For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.”
  • Even confess that Jesus is not the Christ..or confess there is no God.. This is a deceiver and an anti-christ.
    • In fact, it’s God that said to everybody, over the whole earth: “All souls are mine” - God (Ezekiel 18:4)
  • But people: Decree they own themselves. Nobody owns them but themself. This is a person deceived, and is an anti-christ. Why? Because when God says to everybody over the whole earth: “Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.” - God. (Bible. Isaiah 45:22)

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People: That would be "anti-Christ:"

• They look unto anybody..anything BUT him instead.
  • And to “look unto” someone, you’d have to be sitting with them as a pupil or a student of them in a classroom and they be teaching you as a teacher.
    • And many people, I know. I was one of them.
  • Would rather sit with themselves. Alone. And they teach themselves, so who they look unto, is themselves is also anti-christ. Isn’t looking unto him at all, not doing anything he says, when they’re their own God of themselves.

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• But a “disciple of Jesus Christ” - came to a place where all that doesn’t have any value, so they forsake or abandon it - walk away from that: TO - - walk after, to walk in, looking unto Jesus Christ.
• Sit with him, and are taught by him. And you’re supposed to be doing this, too.
  • Because you were created by God to walk in, to walk after, and follow Jesus Christ. The Word of God. That’s what he decreed, as God, everybody to do. SO, if you don’t do it, that’s “anti-christ.”

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• So again - here’s the point: People that don’t do what he says, are anti-christ. Not doing anything he says, as God. That's "anti-christ."

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1 John 2:18 - says: And John is talking to these “disciples of Jesus Christ” - not to those that aren’t, says:

• “Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.”
  • So, the FIRST answer I’d give you is to clarify “who” a disciple of Jesus Christ is. They sit with him and are taught by him.
• And what they are taught is, “there are many anti-christs” - and it’s true. I see it.
  • So, that's what I would tell you, that has this question. And also:
• Anyone that doesn’t believe on him is anti-christ. They don’t do anything he says. That’s anti-christ.

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But you’re also asking about “The Anti-Christ” - This “Abomination that Maketh Desolate” mentioned in the Bible:

• Spoke to buy Jesus in Matthew 24.
  • And there he refers to a passage in the Book of Daniel in the Old Testament.

And what Jesus says about it, so it’s not a “disciple of Jesus Christ” or a “Christian” that says it; but Jesus.

This same Jesus who sits with and teaches his disciples - he said it. He’s the Word of God.. ..is God, as John 1:1 says who Jesus is. Just God speaking, so he said it. Said:

“When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)” Jesus Christ. Matthew 24:15

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• So, Jesus is quoting from the Book of Daniel, when he, as the Word of God, already earlier said it to Daniel.

A work God would do with sin. As God. As he determined he would do a work in Daniel 9:24 says:

“Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to

• finish the transgression, and
• to make an end of sins, and
• to make reconciliation for iniquity, and
• to bring in everlasting righteousness, and

to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.”

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That Daniel 9:25-27 goes onto say that “two and sixty and seven” (sixty nine of these Seventy “weeks” or seven year periods) Would be from the decree that would go out to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem. Which that occurred in the Bible in Ezra CHapter ONE. That’s the decree. That from that decree to Matthew 2:1 that says “And Jesus was born in Bethlehem on this wise…”

That “FROM” - “TO” those two dates is sixty nine of seventy “weeks” or seven year periods, or 483 years. WHich that’s what it is.

• And to confirm it, Daniel 9:25–27 says that “two and sixty” weeks or seven year periods would be: FROM: When Jerusalem’s wall and streets would be completed, which that occurred in the Book of Nehemiah, and TO: John 19:30 when this Messiah or Prince would be “cut off but not for himself” - which is Jesus Christ is the Messiah, and he was cut off: crucified. His blood shed, but not for himself. But for our sins we did.
  • That this is exactly 434 years or sixty two seven year periods.

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The point of this is, for sin - Jesus coming to be the sacrifice for sin is sixty nine of those seventy “weeks” determined to do and BE the Messiah - - what’s said above in Daniel 9:24.

- That this "Anti-Christ" is called "The Man of Sin." Must be revealed or unveiled first, before Jesus comes back. (2 Thessalonians 2:3). That :Seventy Weeks was determined God would do a work with sin.

• Leaves one week or 1 seven year period left. That’s covered primarily in the Book of Revelation.

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That, Daniel 9:25–27 - which is what the Messiah, Jesus Christ refers to in Matthew 24:15

• That in the midst or the middle or the 3 1/2 year point of this last seven year period. There’s going to be a “great falling away…” and this "man of sin" of 2 Thessalonians 2:3 be revealed. This “Man of Perdition.” This Abomination that Maketh Desolate. This “The Anti-Christ.”
  • That, Daniel 9:24-27 says he will stand in the Holy Place of a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem, which today, has not be rebuilt yet. But it will be. That in the Holy Place, he will declare himself God over the whole earth.
• It’s at this time, he is revealed. Unveiled. To everybody.

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• And he, this “Beast” or Anti-Christ:
  • He will declare himself God over the whole earth, from Jerusalem, and do this with armies. Means he will have the power over the whole earth, to put to death, great or small, won't matter who it is. This, whosoever over the whole earth does not worship him, as God - when he is NOT God. Put them to death.
    • He’s the Anti-Christ. He's not revealed before this, what is said must occur first in Daniel 9:24-27. So, asking some Christian, what they prognosticate or determine is like asking a fruit bowl, when will the chickens start crowing.
  • When a disciple of Jesus Christ just tells you what God says of it. Gives that to you.
    • So you got it.

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• And this great falling away, is ..well? It must occur so this "Anti-Christ" can be revealed.
  • So, when this veil falls away:
• Won’t be anymore anybody worshipping Hinduism anymore.
• No more Muslims worshipping Allah.
• Won’t be any Buddhists nor Shinto “priests” in Japan worshipping the half man, half fish God, Ebisu, who the Philistines used to worship as Dagon. The half man, half fish God - - that 10s of millions of Japanese, go to his main temple in Tochigi Prefecture, in Japan - - won’t be anybody worshipping him anymore as God.
  • Billions of people fall away from worshipping just about anything to be their God.
• No more atheists, either. None.
  • I don’t know any atheist willing to die for their belief in no God or Gods - when this Anti-Christ will come with great signs and wonders, and many will believe he is God. Won’t have to be threatened to just worship him, as God.
    • He will seem good to them.
• Lets EVERYBODY buy and sell..rather, he promises this…but he’s not GOD and he cannot provide it.

Every promise he makes - God destroys it.

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• Same with people that worship him as God. Pours out his wrath on them, because they refuse to worship God as God - don't budge from it. Pick anything..anybody but him to worship. And they will worship this Anti-Christ; Because of this - when he isn’t God. But to them, he will be.

So, your question is answered.

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Not said to Christians - but to everybody. When you see this Man of sin, stand in the midst of a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem and declare himself God over the whole earth - and since it’s the “midst” or the middle of this last seven year period.

• You have a lot of other signs to look at. Two Witnesses of God. Before this middle or midst thing occurs with the Anti-Christ: See just one of many things, in Revelation 11:3–7

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Revelation 11:3–7

• 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. 5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. 6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
• 7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
• - God. Revelation 11:3-7

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• So, when you see 3 1/2 years where it doesn’t rain anyplace anywhere over the whole earth:
  • and these two witnesses
    • - where they are able to call fire to proceed out of their mouths and devour their enemies…
    • and where there’s no water, no rain, nothing grows, and they turn water into blood, you are going to see this - so also, consider it: if there’s a fire - when it hasn't rained for 3 1/2 years: boy, how are you going to put the fire out? When there isn't any water to do it.
  • And when they are killed, they are killed by this same Anti-Christ. Says many people are going to call on all their friends and be celebrating they're gone. When their bodies lie in Jerusalem for 3 days..and on the 3rd day, God calls them to "come up hither" - and all eyes see it.
• You're going to see this.

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So, it really comes back to - not your question but what God decreed EVERYBODY over the whole earth do with him.

• Look unto him. There is none else.

But because they don’t.

Look what he says to you, as God. He’s the real that God shows up.

So, how long will it continue? This 7 year "tribulation" - when does it end?

"Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate," God. Isaiah 6:11

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• And Revelation 16:17–19 says…CONFIRMS what God already said:

“And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell..."

What happens at this earthquake, and stones fall from heaven the weight of one, adult sized male.

Fall all over the earth - over everything - every city and house over the whole earth - everybody on earth all has built. Not one person will be inhabiting any house, and you're going to see it. What’s going to happen to your car and house? Can it survive an earthquake, that Revelation says - shakes the earth to where there is no more mountains anyplace anymore? No more islands anyplace, either.

Maybe you better wake up.

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But I can't wake you. Your question was already long before answered.

And disciples of Jesus Christ aren’t looking for or up to or unto any Anti-Christ, even there are many. Who they look unto is Jesus Christ. Waiting for his return, so they just do what he says, not what you ask a question about. AND he's told us to just "occupy til I return" Jesus Christ. Luke 19:13.

So, you're asking questions about something believers in Jesus don't look unto.

Here’s your question back.

ANSWER:

The answer is in two things: Make sure you understand both these things - - apply them both to Balaam:

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ONE: What “wicked” means.

wicked. 1. playfully mischievous. [Oxford] and “mischievous” to take (something) that belongs to someone else and use that (something) in a way it was not intended for use.

• And of this in “ONE” - Jude 1:11 says: “Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.”
  • So, you have two people to compare Balaam with.
  • Both 1)
    • Cain in Genesis 4 who slew his brother, Abel, and when God came to him, he left the presence of the LORD, for his punishment was greater than he could bear. And:
  • And 2)
    • “Core” is this 2) Korah - who was also a Levite. Like Moses also was, and Aaron, Moses who God made the High Priest. Korah, was also a Levite. His Priestly role, scripture says, his station chosen by God was a sole responsibility of transporting the sacred items within the tabernacle, including the Ark of the Covenant.

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• Numbers 4:1–15 Rather than directly addressing Korah, God spoke to Moses and Aaron - so it's God himself - specifically assigning the **Kohathites (**Korah ) the responsibility of carrying the "most holy” of the Tabernacle, the Ark of the Covenant.
• It was EXCLUSIVE.
• Carry the Ark with poles. While other Levite clans could transport other items by use ox carts, the Kohathites were strictly required to hand-carry the sacred objects using poles.
  • And you have (1 Chronicles 13; 2 Samuel 6:1-11) - where 500 years later, in the days of Samuel, the Philistines put this same Ark of the Covenant - on a ox cart to send it back to Israel after they took it - and 100 years later, King David has Kohathites, and they make a NEW ox cart for the Ark - when Uzzah a Kohathite, touched the ark and angered God, and he died right there.
• And David was angry - because he did not understand why?

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• So, with 2) you have Korah, who has left his station to raise himself to try and place himself in a higher station Moses and Aaron are in. And again, it's all three 1) Moses, 2) Aaron, and 3) Korah - are placed in their stations by God himself.
• Don't forget this part. * So, Korah, leaving his station to occupy another station. Hold onto that point that Jude is making - like Cain - angered that his younger brother’s sacrifice when he was the elder, was accepted by God, but Cain's sacrifice was not, because he tried to give to God what was cursed - and boy, is this ever a point with Balaam, so hold onto that point.
• Just hold these thoughts.
  • And apply it, in your head, to “wicked” - let’s move on. Get to "TWO."

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TWO: Because it's Balaam - is a “Son of Beor”

• And Beor, is specifically mentioned in the Bible in Genesis 36:32 “"Bela son of Beor became king of Edom. His city was named Dinhabah." - Good to read all Genesis 36. To see that Edom, before it was called that, was Mt. Seir - and that God gave Mt. Seir to Esau. That, Esau is Edom. That Esau’s sons and daughters married into this Kingly line of Horites at Mt.Seir.
  • The point is, Balaam is, like Bela, who became King of Edom, Balaam is also “a son of Beor.
• In the Old Testament: Balaam: Numbers 31:8, Deuteronomy 23:4, and Joshua 13:22 all list this lineage of “who” Balaam is a son of a Kingly line, when Edom was reigned by Horites at Mt. Seir. Which is Edom.
  • So, Balaam: he’s a “displaced” of a Kingly line of Mt. Seir which is now, the land has been given by God to Esau. Now Esau’s children are “Dukes” and after, they become Kings of the land after intermarrying with Horite nobility. It’s no longer “The Land of Seir” - it’s now, Edom. And Edom is Esau.

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• In the New Testament: 2 Peter 2:15 - also testifies of this, about Balaam: with the "way of Balaam son of Beor" when Peter, an Apostle of Jesus Christ writes warning against false teachers.

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• And the POINT of “TWO” is, Look at who seeks out Balaam - - Balak, King of Moab.
  • He’s EXACTLY like Balaam. How? He's also a Displaced King of a Kingly line. He’s residing on someone else's lands, but of the Kingly line of Moab; but, his Kingly line no longer rules over ANY city or lands of Moab.
• The Amorites have taken all the sons and daughters of Moab, and they are servants of the Amorites in Amorite cities, while the King of Moab - when there is no more Moab, is in “exile” and dwells on Midianite lands.
  • Start reading from Numbers 21:1 to all of Numbers 24:18–23  - it's not FALSE. It's a true Prophecy Balaam makes - - “18 And Edom shall be a possession, Seir also shall be a possession for his enemies; and Israel shall do valiantly. 19 Out of Jacob shall come he that shall have dominion, and shall destroy him that remaineth of the city. 20 And when he looked on Amalek, he took up his parable, and said, Amalek was the first of the nations; but his latter end shall be that he perish for ever. 21 And he looked on the Kenites, and took up his parable, and said, Strong is thy dwellingplace, and thou puttest thy nest in a rock. 22 Nevertheless the Kenite shall be wasted, until Asshur shall carry thee away captive. 23 And he took up his parable, and said, Alas, who shall live when God doeth this!
• Look careful at Balak, King of Moab. He’s looking unto a much earlier like him “displaced of a Kingly Line” - was to be a King of Mt. Seir, but now it's taken over by Edom or Esau's children. Another people reign over the land is the point with Balam. And Balak, promises Balaam - riches where he could reestablish and by Balak, restore him as King on his own lands of Mt. Seir again, but he can't. Empty promises.

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• When Job 12:23 says of God: “He makes nations great and destroys them; he enlarges nations and disperses them.” Because he’s God, and he says he visits the iniquity done on the land, and of the land says: “For all the earth is mine” - God (Exodus 19:5). That for the abominations the inhabitants do on the land, God visits the iniquity, and the earth itself, vomits those inhabitants off the land for the iniquity they do.
• And the iniquity of Balaam, a son of Beor, of the Kingly line of Mt. Seir, which is Edom, and Balak, son of Zippor, of the Kingly line of Moab - while the Amorites utterly destroyed him off his lands, and his people now worship Chemosh as their God, the God of the Amorites. Because they were already doing it - left off from worshipping the same God Abraham did, and so did Lot.
  • And the Midianites also practice divination on their lands, as does Balaam - because he's going to ask Balaam do practice divination all do get him to curse Israel by divination. It's an abomination to God. It's wicked.

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• So, even all these mentioned, except Balaam is ancient on the land of the Horites. Kings on the land in the days of Abraham. That, the Midianites, are descendants of Midian, a son of Abraham’s concubine, Keturah. That Moab is the son of Lot, by his (Genesis 19:37) by his eldest daughter. That Ammon is also a son of Lot, when both Lot's daughters - - they both got him drunk and slept with Lot, and had children by him. That the Amorites The Bible identifies the Amorites as descendants of Canaan, the son of Ham, in Genesis 10:15-16.
• They all have gone off into idolatry, but have some relation to Abraham. The 9th generation after Noah, through Shem. And Mt. Seir is in the more ancient land of Uz. The land after the earth was divided in Genesis 11:1–5, and God came down and confounded language.
  • And Uz, is a son of Aram - also of Shem. Where Abraham is a son of Shem through Arphaxad in Genesis 10.

And I can just hear you asking… “What the heck! What does this have anything to do with my question!?!?!!!”

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Examine very careful, the Book of Job. Job is also on this “Land of Uz” - and Job knows the LORD. And the LORD knows him in this "East Country." Where Job’s friends are of 1) of Teman, of Esau 2) of Keturah’s youngest son, Abraham’s concubine; but in the days of Job, these people are now grown into a nation on the land, and they are, Job’s friends of these Kingly lines.

While scripture says Job is the greatest on the land. That God was angered with Job’s friends, and decreed, at the end of Job, for them to bring bullock for Job to offer a sin sacrifice to God for them in their behalf. Balaam has Balak bring these same bullock sacrifices. But God never told Balaam to do it, or to tell Balak to do it. That's wicked.

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• Now again, you don’t have to do anything what this post says. Nope. YOu can just walk away, but those that do, will see in Numbers 21 to Numbers 24 - every place Balaam takes Balak.. when scripture says it’s Balak, taking Balaam.. it’s actually Balaam deceiving Balak, that by let him keep believing in divination and offering these sin sacrifices on the hilltop to these altars to Chemosh, this pagan God idol - is a great abomination. It's wicked.

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• That Balaam: Never tells Balak, what God told Balaam. And God told Abraham in Genesis 12:3 that whoever blessed Abraham God would bless. That whosoever cursed Abraham and his seed, God would curse.
  • That neither Balaam, nor Balak ever bless Israel. Nope. They don't. They try to get someone else to CURSE Abraham’s children. And they are both destroyed by it. Even though neither cursed Israel. Both sought some way for the other to do it.
• Balaam is deeply involved in idolatry. Even though God talks to him, Balaam never does anything he says, as God. Balaam never tells, in any instance, tells Balak, or any emissaries Balak sends to Balaam, with the “rewards of divination” - never accurately tells Balak anything God says. Read it careful. You will see it.

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• So, why is he a false prophet? Why is Balaam “wicked?” It's in this definition of "wicked" again in case you forgot: wicked. 1. playfully mischievous. [Oxford] and “mischievous” to take (something) that belongs to someone else and use that (something) in a way it was not intended for use.
• And the Word of God belongs to God, not Balaam, but how Balaam uses what God says is WICKED.
• Because he never tells the Midianites when they come with the dukes of Midian sent along with nobility of Moab - Balaam never tells them to abandon their divination and idolatry. Why they're kicked off their lands in the first place.
  • Never tells Balak, in Balak taking him, 3 times to the high places to wickedly do these sacrifices - never tells Balak, to take the bullock to Israel. Never says this to Balak, King of Moab to do this, for him and his people, the Moabites have sinned greatly against God for their idolatry - is why they got vomited off their lands - and just ask God, that Israel that has vanquished and totally wiped out the Amorites - and Israel, as their kin, to offer the sin sacrifices for their sin.
  • Like Job did for his friends who was righteous is to offer the sacrifice. Not the wicked to get God to curse the righteous. Makes God wicked - it's an abomination.

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• Balaam: As a prophet: Never tells or instructs Balak to take these Bullock and present himself before Israel - Give the bullock to Israel to offer the sacrifices to God. Balaam is wicked.
• This is simple thing above - what Balaam did: TO Balak - Is “how” Balaam is a wicked prophet - and answers your basic question.

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• SO, that God would give Moab their lands back - because God - again, if you read Numbers 21 to 24 - Israel was told not to even take a foots width of these Moabite people’s lands as they are all surrounding Israel, all kin of Israel.
• But they ALL CURSE Israel, makes them Bastards, just like what Ham did in Genesis 9. To Noah, and in blessing his 3 Sons, Noah doesn't even mention Ham at all, as if he does not exist. Which - - Is What he did, made Ham's four children bastards. Fatherless, and the youngest of them, Canaan, servants to both SHem and Japheth.
  • Only this isn't Noah. This is God - for what both Balaam and Balak are doing as displaced of the Kingly line, doing on the land - They no longer have the same Father or Mother. No longer is either - and both are - or were - - kin of Israel.
  • And God carried forth this curse, said in Numbers 24 above. It's not false. Actually happened. And because they both never BLESSED Israel, they both Balaam and Balak, were destroyed.

Here’s your question back.

Answer:

The key isn’t in “through a Western lense” vs. or instead of an “ancient Near Eastern one. Like, old vs. new. It’s in the Word of God.

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When you can trace this kind of similar argument back to the 4th CE/AD when the Roman Empire: Its' Caesar or Emperor was Constantine. He moved his Empire seat of power from Rome to 2200 kilometers away to what is today, Istanbul, Turkey.

From a “Western” Roman Latin based, Rome, Italy - to a Greek dominant base, based on believers or Christians in Antioch.

• And this Roman Empire Caesar or now called “Emperor” - began making church edicts. From 2200 kilometers away from Rom. Convening councils. Like the Council of Nicea, to determine, by a council, who Jesus is. As if people can determine the Word of God, who Jesus is.
• This council, which convened in this ancient Eastern Roman Empire City of Istanbul, Turkey but was then called “Constantinople.” Right after it convened, and Constantine died, it "flip flopped" back over to the "other side." That ANOTHER council had to reconfirm it a whole generation later.
  • When back with this Western Roman Empire, Latin based - in Rome, Italy. vs. This now Greek based, Emperor Constantine declared the Pope of the Catholic Church was the Western Empire Emperor - in Rome, Italy - or “Catholic” which just just means “Universal Church” - accepts everybody that believes on Jesus, and when they both were in and had these two seats of power - in Rome, Italy by both being there together: Constantine left.

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• And each of these councils after the Council of Nicea, it was a Caesar or an Emperor of a world empire convened them. What this Emperor and follow on Emperors of the Roman Empire, now both Western based, and Eastern Based Empires - what the Eastern Based Empire convened, the Western Pope, what this Eastern based Emperor of the whole Roman Empire decided on, the church accepted and still refer to, as if the church decided it, to this day.
• And it’s riddled with man made, made up junk.

Because it has people in it. Just like your question does.

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So, the “key” isn’t in comparing “through a modern day Western Lense” which is, who knows what the poster of this question is driving at, I just liken it to Roman Latin Based vs. a “Near Eastern” one, which is Greek based, because, in both, it’s then “people” based. Like people of today vs. people living some 4 thousand years ago, in the times of the Old Testament.

Comparing people. Is the same work.

• And what they, as people, decree. Even they’re both people. Just the era of people changed. By earlier ancient people are all dead; died. Now ancient. Archaeologists dig thru the rubble of their time to try to piece it together - - and now modern day people are living; alive, like ancient people used to be - when they both are people - and it's people come up with differences in their beliefs, based on their dreams or imaginations they come up with. That's the point I'm trying to make as an answer to your question.

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Why? It's YOUR question.

When you base it off people.

The Key: Then, is NOT people. The KEY is in carefully examining and he is in “Old Testament”

and he's not people. He's God.

• That it’s the same God in both the Old Testament and New Testament that speaks. Same God that was with people in the Old Testament, is the same God that is God today, and he speaks, and says the same thing. He doesn’t change. People do.
  • Everywhere where anybody today, called a “modern day reader” sees where God says: Just like people of the Old Testament heard this same thing: What God said.
• Is not what people say.

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It’s in Jeremiah 23:21–24

“ I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied. But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings. Am I a God at hand, saith the Lord, and not a God afar off? Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the Lord. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the Lord.” - God. The Word of God. Old Testament.

That’s the word you or anybody living today should hearken and look unto vs. off chasing comparing people and what they say, when he didn’t send them.

He’s not sending you off to do comparative studies, either. You are. It’s your work. When God:

He sent his word to heal you and deliver you from your destruction (Old Testment. Psalm 107:20)

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Didn’t send you off to do all these comparative studies, or asking people on Reddit for some input to it - - all for you to determine truth. By what people tell you, and you look unto it.

When his Word is truth.

Jeremiah 23:25–29 continues… God speaking. Can you hear him? That “who” is God in the Old Testament. He speaks.

25 I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed.

26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;

27 Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal.

28 The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the Lord.

29 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?

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Then, it’s really then this:

The Old Testament has the Word of God in it.

• And of the Word of God, said of it in the New Testament - Is in Hebrews 4:12. It’s just the Word that God speaks. Says:
  • “For the Word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”
  • As scripture says in the Old Testament in Proverbs 2:6 “For the LORD giveth wisdom; out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.”

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When the question looks for understanding in comparing modern day readers (people) just (people) of today living, and living believing with a “Western lense” view of their own eyes, through their own dreams or imaginations vs. comparing them with (people) and what they imagine of an ancient Near Eastern culture or religions of ancient times in the Old Testament.

Which is all based on what people claim, by the word out of their mouths - which the Word of God tells everybody, in all these groups, and everybody, including you, over the whole earth. Doesn’t leave anybody out - and that includes you, with this question, says to you, as God: Says - “Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.” - God. (Bible. Old Testament. Isaiah 45:22)

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And about the Bible.. Old Testament and New

It’s the same Word of God. Just God. Same God, speaking the word out of his mouth, and the Word of God is Jesus Christ.

And scripture: It’s not for people conducting comparative studies. Junk. Frivolous work.

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2 Timothy 3:1–5 says "who" the “Old Testament” , which is just scripture, who it is for. It’s a warning to stay away from people veered off into their own imaginations - loving themselves vs. doing anything God says: 2 Timothy 3:1–5 says to a believer in Jesus Christ. He’s the Word of God. Just God speaking.

2 Timothy 3:1–5 says this, as scripture:

1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

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Just like it’s a “form of good” = Godliness: by just make up your question. You dreamed or imagined it up. Doesn’t have any God in it. Has entirely comprised of people in it. As if it's people in the Old Testament did it. When they're the same people as people of today, not doing anything he says back then, either, is the point.

When the “key” is - again, in your question - “Old Testament” which is scripture - so this post, isn’t wrote to you, but to believers in Jesus Christ, who stumble upon this question with a hope that you would, too.

Just turn to and end up with the Word of God - and believe on him, but if you don’t - this post is to believers in Jesus Christ - to just stand fast and hearken unto the word that proceeds out of God’s mouth. vs. hearken unto seducing questions that don't minister or do any good.

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Says in 2 Timothy 3:12–17 to 2 Timothy 4:1–5

12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

2 Timothy 4:1–5 continues…

1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

And 2 Timothy 4:1–2 is in the New Testament - said by an Apostle, chosen by Jesus Christ, is the exact, same thing God said by the word out of his mouth, who is Jesus Christ - what to do in the Old Testament in Jeremiah 23:28

“he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the Lord.”

here’s your question back.

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God decreed this: “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.” - Jesus Christ. Bible. New Testament. (Matthew 4:4) - which is the same God that spoke in the Old Testament.

So, look at your question again. It’s the same answer.

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What are modern readers completely misunderstanding about the Old Testament by looking at it through a Western lens instead of an ancient Near Eastern one?

The key isn’t in “through a Western lense” vs. or instead of an “ancient Near Eastern one. Like, old vs. new. It’s in the Word of God.

You got the wrong word you’re looking unto. Itchy ears to look unto anybody..all people - just look unto and follow after, anything BUT him instead.

Answer

Well… "some" is a few, and a "few" can be as little as two. So, some "great" controversies surrounding Jesus Christ, would have to be:

…according to the Bible: Just not believe on him vs. people that do, cause great controversy, because, the claim is, God sent him - says so, in the Bible i Psalm 107:20 - that God: "He sent his Word and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions."

Jesus is the "Word of God" in John 1:1. Says who he is. Is God. Can't get any greater than that; so, someone put up a counter claim, by just "dismiss him as inadequate; or faulty..unacceptable" - means they reject him.

Would, in my estimation, I mean, you're asking me the question. It would be a "great" controversy. Fit that definition.

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That's only one. Need a "few" so it's some.

- Isaiah 53:12 says “..... he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.”

So, another "controversy" that would be great is: Nobody looks unto the Death Row Section of any prison anyplace, and looks for God there. So, if he's numbered with them, it would be because people esteemed him no better place but to put him there. Juxtaposed against who he is.

That’s kind of a “great controversy”

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• It’s the reason why the Jews, “numbered” him, this same Jesus Christ, as a “blasphemer.”
  • And, as a blasphemer, he's blaspheming God: To these Jews, in authority over the temple in Jerusalem: because, the Bible says in John 10:33 exactly why.
• “The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy**; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.”**

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• So, to a great many Jews: Jesus was rightly crucified - put to death for blasphemy, and the Jewish Talmud (not the Torah) - The specific, graphic description of a blasphemer’s punishment, that blasphemes God, because of how great God is, that "blasphemer" according to the Jewish Talmud - is being boiled in their own feces (or "boiling excrement," Tzoah Rotachat in the lowest form of hell.
• Again: This is not found in the Tanakh, or the Torah (the Five Books of Moses). Nor even in the Bible.
  • But it IS: Recorded in this recognized Jewish Text, that Pharisees of Jesus’ day often turned to. The Talmud: The punishment for a blasphemer is in the Babylonian Talmud, specifically in Gittin 56b–57a and Eruvin 21b
  • After put to death, what a blasphemer’s punishment is in hell, for eternity.

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• BUT:
• Where the Bible says, in Hebrews 10:12 of Jesus: "But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God."
• But the Jews say, Jesus was a blasphemer and where he is today, is in the lowest form of hell being boiled in his own feces.

Maybe we both better have an accurate definition of what a "controversy" is, so we accept we are both talking about the same thing..but to me, what I'd says to you is, here's some great controversies surrounding Jesus Christ.

So, there you go. There is “some” and all some is, is a few, and all “few” is, is two. Two “great” controversies.

controversy. 1. a [GREAT], public dispute or debate involving strong opposing views, [Definition: Oxford dictionary. Web.]

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• Because also, as the Christ or Messiah - which that's what Jesus is called, “who” that "Messiah," is, is defined in Isaiah 9:6-7. Where the Messiah, or “Christ” in Greek, shall be called, “The mighty God..” “..The Everlasting Father..” - [Isaiah 9:6] - - so, I have to ask you: Who in you, has that title?

Here's a little advice:

Stop being a spectator..some kind of useless “speck of potato” like a “couch potato.” Just sit back and armchair the television - and don’t really do anything.

When He’s told you plainly. As God. Like he told everybody over the whole earth. To live by every word proceeds out of his mouth. While you’re here. Living by every word comes out of your mouth. I mean, if there's "controversy" - you don't have to do what he says, until the controversy is settled. When it already is. It's just people then. Refusing him to be LORD over them, and it's punitive.

Will be for you, too. And then, all you're doing, is not doing anything he says, but think you can hide you behind questions that protect you why you don't do anything he says, and all they do is further keep you from doing anything he says.

and think all this work you're doing is effort for good, and because it's a good effort to you, this exempts you. It doesn’t.

• And, of the Messiah, Daniel 9:24–27 - God told Daniel - says God himself would do a work with sin; as he determined it. That his work, as God, with sin would “…finish the transgression [of Adam in Genesis 3:17], make an end of sins, make reconciliation for iniquity, and bring in everlasting righteousness…”
  • And God determined to do this work by the “Messiah.”
• So, what the Jews hold in high esteem as scripture, the Talmud - when God told you, me, everybody over the whole entire earth to “Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.” - God. (By the Word of God. Isaiah 45:22).
  • And the Word of God is Jesus Christ.

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• Says in Psalm 107:20 that God: Again, just repeat - sent Jesus Christ, the Word of God: “Sent his Word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions.”
  • But if you say he's a blasphemer..
    • and he was numbered with the transgressors, because, God took your sins off you, and made him sin for us..made everybody righteous, with the same righteousness God has, bequeathed to us - and 2 Corinthians 5:19 says: “To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself; not imputing your trespasses unto you.”

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• The same God did this with every all of us over the whole earth. 1 John 2:2 says: “And he is the propitiation for our sins, and not for our sins only, but for the sins of the whole world.”

So you certainly can keep yourself idled. Not accomplishing anything what God is looking for is some fruit of his word at work in you, is why he sent it -- but if you choose, for whatever reason you hold valid, and many believe all kinds of myriad of reasons, that their reasons, too, are valid - there's no profit to them in doing anything he says, so they dismiss him. Reject him - In what they do, they Just waste their days.

And they, like you, are also asking these kind of questions that just keep you and them from doing anything he says. Day after day, to where your mind is set in and elects it is true.

• And by never do anything he says. It’s PUNITIVE: He’s still going to call you into account. Why you didn’t do anything he says.
  • Ever seeking, but never come to the knowledge of the truth, because you simply don’t look unto him. You look unto all these questions you dream up. Hold them true. So, you sink in a “controversy” you made for yourself. Stumble over him.
    • And end up, never doing anything he says.
• And he’s God himself.

Here’s your question back. So, for me, look at you.. I mean, I don't have this question. You do. To me: The real “controversy” is in you. Because, you don’t do what he says, and he decreed everybody is to look unto him. So, holding to something, doesn't matter what it is, that keeps you, or anybody over the whole earth from not doing what he says, is a worthless thing to hold onto as true.

• Your question. It really doesn’t help anybody, over the whole earth, to do anything he says. Like it does to you, it scatters people from him. And Jesus said: (Bible. Matthew 12:30 and I close with this: "He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad."
  • Your question doesn't build anybody up in him. So, here's your question back.

Answer:

“And the harp, and the viol, the tabret, and pipe, and wine, are in their feasts: but they regard not the work of the Lord, neither consider the operation of his hands.” - God.

• Source: Bible. Isaiah 5:12

The only thing greater than Jesus’ parables, is what he says plain as day, to his disciples who actually do what he says, and are taught by him. Speaks to them, plain as day.

There you go. Go home.

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The answer to the question is in “teachings.”

• Jesus is teaching and with his disciples.
  • So, “disciples” are 1. just a student or pupil that sits with and is taught by a teacher. [Oxford dictionary. Web.]
    • To his disciples, he speaks to them plain as day.

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• But to a people that don’t regard him, or anything he says, are people that, even right now today, hold music concerts, by the 10s of millions go flock to them, or tune in on the TV, and go to banquets. Worship when people form bands to play music, and hold great celebrations but in all this they do, to glorify it, they don’t regard the works of the LORD, neither consider the operation of his hand.
  • And to “this people” like this - which are in Isaiah 5:12 that opens this post. God says; rather, he decrees just how it shall be to “this people” as God over all things - decrees what it shall be toward this people, like this in Isaiah 6:9–10.
    • Decrees it, as God toward a people that don’t do anything he says:
• “Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.” - God.
• Like if you were sick: There's a physician - all you gotta do, is regard him to go to him, so he heals you.
• Won't do it. It's not the physician you don't go to. It's you, a heart waxed gross thinking "I know this is pneumonia, but I feel fine, so I won't go" to who could heal you. It's not rocket science what he said. And he said it, as God. Decreed it.

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• Jesus just repeated this:
  • And he answers your question himself in Matthew 13:10–16, when his disciples asked Jesus: Why do you talk to them in parables?

Matthew 13:10–16 says:

10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

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So, sum it up.

- Jesus:

• Is the Word of God. Is God. Just as John 1:1 says who Jesus is. “*In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” “…*and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.” (John 1:14) is this same Jesus Christ.
  • Just God speaking the word out of his mouth. What Jesus says, because of who he is, says: “All the earth is mine” - God. (Exodus 19:5) and “All souls are mine” - God. (Ezekiel 18:4) - means, even people that don’t do anything he says, so he talks to them that are like this, because they don’t regard him, speaks to them in parables.
• And you? You're glorifying parables. * Where to his disciples, he speaks to them plain as day.

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So, in EVERY parable given, there's some "destruction." Go look.

And sometimes, these “Pharisees” who were the brunt or blunt end of many of the Parables: realized Jesus was talking about them, got deeply offended, and wanted to kill him. But to his disciples:

• They sit with him.
• Are with him.
• Follow him.
  • So, he speaks to them plainly and promises himself to them. Gives them eternal life. Just as he says: John 10:27 “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish…” isn’t saying that to those that don’t regard him.

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• But to those that don’t regard him, Psalm 28:5 says: To those, he speaks to them in parables..because they don’t regard him, says:
  • “Because they regard not the works of the LORD, neither consider the operation of his hand, he shall destroy them, and not build them up.” - Bible.
• All because they don’t sit with him, as a pupil or a student so they’re not taught by him.

Even they may think his parables are very wonderful, don’t realize he’s actually speaking against them to their own destruction….

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So, they ask questions like this, really all it is, is to make themselves "good." Put a little Jesus blow up dolly in it - - Ask, and by this be good: "which one is the most wonderful parable?" ….or to be even more clever and more good, ask: "where could you find something more wonderful than a parable Jesus said"

All by be good, by not do anything he says.

Which isn't any good.

• Because they don’t know the scriptures, and don’t do anything he says… he already decreed their heart would be “fat” that is, so satiated on what they look unto, when they get a sensation, like some fat guy feels "hey! I'm not full!" so they eat all the time, just little, but all the time, day and night - get fat. Same with someone in their heart. Gets "obesely" fat off this.
• When he told everybody over the whole earth plainly: “LOOK UNTO ME, AND BE YE SAVED, ALL THE ENDS OF THE EARTH: FOR I AM GOD, THERE IS NONE ELSE.” - God. Bible. Isaiah 45:22.
  • They look unto anything BUT him, and still call him “Lord! Lord!” but don’t do anything he says.
• So, he speaks to them in parables… they’re really happy about it.
• They got a parable. That Jesus said. Oh what a value!
  • Even they don’t do anything he says. Where to his disciples, that hear him speak, so he speaks to them plain as day..what they have, is the Word of God. So, even more is given to them, even in abundance… it's like out of their belly flows a river of living water, water a whole desert of dried up, withered away people that don't do anything he says - even get offended.
    • SO, to those that just got a parable..even the little they look unto and amassed to themselves, in their life, like a house and Jeep or Maserati, or a wife and 483 other girls they slept with, is going to be taken away from them.

So much for your question. So, in case you got lost in all of this, and forgot the answer, which was given to you in the opening post. That’s a problem. A disaster. Not regarding him, nor anything he says.

It’s punitive. Ends in destruction, not regarding him or anything he says. Because of who he is.

So, I’ll repeat the question.

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What greater teachings are there than Jesus' parables in the Bible?

The only thing greater than Jesus’ parables, is what he says plain as day, to his disciples. Who actually do what he says. Are taught by him. Speaks to them. Because, he’s with them. Because they regard him. Where he’s not with those that don’t sit with him. Don't do anything he says, and don't know him. He's God. He Speaks to them in parables. But to his disciples, he speaks to them and is with them. Speaks to them, plain as day.

There you go. For everybody here on Reddit. Go out to many or few, it does not matter. Has the Word of God in it. That's what matters.

Answer

Well, break your question down into smaller pieces. Have an accurate definition for the smaller pieces; then, reassemble it back, and you’ll have it answered rightly.

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First, condemned.

• 1. something or someone officially declared unsafe, guilty, or unfit for use, often under a sentence of death, destruction, or strong disapproval
  • Source: Cambridge dictionary. Web. Accessed: 12 May 2026

So, to condemn (someone or something); must be an authority with the power to sit in judgment over (someone else or something else).

So, before you look at the Bible for a definition, can you think of anyplace where this is in effect?

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And since you’re not making the post, I am - let me answer this for you.

• Yeah, I can think of someplace where this is in effect. In a Court of Law
  • Where my country (The Nation or State, or local provincial government has jurisdiction over me) can accuse someone, a citizen or someone that is in my country of a crime or an offense.
    • That, at a trial: brings the accused before Judgment or a Judge that presides over the accused and the case. If the Judge:
  • Dismisses the case:
    • Means the Judge heard and examined all the evidence. It is the Judge determined: all charges are dropped and the person is declared INNOCENT. Not condemned - because, the Judge that presided over their case determined or JUDGED it to be this, so it just IS this. Set free.
  • Pronounces Judgment:
    • Means the Judge heard and examined all the evidence. It is the Judge determined: the accused declared GUILTY. Is condemned - because, the Judged that presided over their case determined or JUDGED it to be this, so it just IS this. Is NOT set free.
    • Rather is sentenced to be taken away, as a convict. That is, the condemned is now convicted of a crime. Pronounced GUILTY by the authority with power over them. To take away or destroy them. Decree punishment. They are considered “unfit for use” in society. CONDEMNED. If sentenced to DEATH: Sent away, to await their execution.
    • When they are executed, what the Judge decreed, is righteous and righteousness reigned when JUDGEMENT is both meted out at sentencing, and carried out when the convicted is put to death.

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So, the first thing to have is the right definition of “CONDEMN”

• That is, again, in case you already forgot it:
• someone is officially declared unsafe, guilty, or unfit for use, often under a sentence of death, destruction, or strong disapproval
  • By an “authority” with the power over that someone to execute judgment on their behaviour and punish them for it.

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Now, go to your question.

• What is the Biblical definition of condemnation
  • ANSWER: Jesus said: Matthew 28:18 “…all power is given unto me in heaven and in earth..”

And Jesus is the Word of God. Is God, as John 1:1 says “who” Jesus is, as does Isaiah 9:6–7, as the “Messiah” or “Christ” - that says, Jesus SHALL be called, “The mighty God. The everlasting Father” - who has that title?

• Yeah. God.
  • And he said, by the word that proceeds out of his mouth: “All souls are mine.” - God. (Ezekiel 18:14)
  • Said as well, also IN the Bible: “The soul that sinneth, it shall die.” - God. (Ezekiel 18:20)

Psalm 82:8 says "Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations" - says of Jesus Christ, in Revelation 1:5 “And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth.”

That God: “He makes nations great, and destroys them; he enlarges nations and disperses them” - Bible. Job 12:23

So, it’s God that is in authority over all his Earth. And he’s already held the judgment and determined EVERYBODY over the whole earth, is his - so they fall under his jurisdiction - - which he also says in Isaiah 44:24, he formed EVERYBODY himself; from their mother’s womb. Alone. By himself, just as God, who created all the earth, and set the stars in the heaven where they are, and did that, too. All alone. By himself.

• And he’s already decreed, by his judgment over all things, that the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

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So, Biblically:

• Anybody that sins, dies. He already said it. He’s judge. Over the whole world. Already, in the Bible decreed it. And Romans 5:12 says:
  • Wherefore, as by one man [ADAM] sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

So, the “Biblical” definition of “condemnation” is:

• 1. God is judge
• 2. He’s decreed, as judge, the soul that sinneth it shall die, and
• 3. Everybody over the whole earth, from Adam forward is GUILTY. And condemned to die. Just like any death row inmate in any prison that the dictionary gives the authority to a Judge to preside over and decree punishment for offenses committed.

That God has already DONE this to EVERYBODY and NOBODY is anything BUT condemned.

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Stay in that condition. CONDEMNED.

• Be like the convict. A convict is a prisoner of judgment. No matter how much they will it or try, they cannot get out of it by themselves. No washing all the prison bus tires, or taking a tooth brush they use and scrubbing all the prison lightbulbs will reduce one volt when they sit in the electric chair and are executed. Won’t matter how many times they said, “I forgive you” or practiced not saying bad words or cursing.
  • Because they have been found GUILTY of adultery, or theft, even one thing one time against the Ten Commandments - that one time, they are ALL BROKEN, and EVERYBODY from Adam, it was passed on as a “Last WIll and Testament” bequeathed to you and me, by Adam. We got our inheritance. Sin and death. No amount of not stealing now from the Shopping Mall, nor how many times you go to church - does not erase the sin you did.
    • It’s God: How he uses the Ten Commandments is in Romans 3:19–20 to make the WHOLE WORLD - with EVERYBODY in it, all GUILTY before him, so no flesh could glory in his sight how good they are, when they are “filthy; done abominable works” (Psalm 14:1–3. Lived as if there was no God, or we would not have done the sins we already done DID.

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So CONDEMNED- accurate. I am CONDEMNED. I don't worry about you, when I see me condemned. But the Bible says this is the same for EVERYBODY.

So -

• Use the Bible.
  • Answer the next part of your question:

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• did Jesus suffer our condemnation in our place on the cross?
  • ANSWER: Inaccurate.

What is biblically accurate is:

• God:
  • Alone. By himself. Determined, as God, he would do a work with sin. Not with the condemnation. The cause of it, is the sin. And the point of this part is God is doing a work we should regard with sin.
• A work:
  • Like he did a work in creating all creation in Genesis 1:1–31. Where he got up and did all that work alone. By himself. He would do a work with sin that everybody from Adam forward did those sins. The sin that condemns us.
  • As if the Judge in our case, would do a work, and by that work the Judge do in judgment, he decree, at trial, we are innocent - because he determined, as judge - of me, under his jurisdiction, that work he did as the authority and judge, that is a righteous he did, as the Judge.
• That God, took my sins off me that I plainly did - did that, too. I mean he said it in the Bible. You wanted it Biblical, says he did this for everyone. All sin - all of them. All sin and laid it on Jesus Christ.

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• He’s God. He is GREATER than sin.
  • Where the Bible says our sins are GREATER than us, and condemn us.
  • So, this work God did in sending his word to heal us, and deliver us from our destruction (Psalm 107:20), God already did this work in Jesus Christ and it's recorded in the Bible. He fulfilled what he promised he would do to Daniel in Daniel 9:24–27 in sending Jesus Christ.
    • On the cross.
• Crucified. His blood shed. God laid the sins of the whole world on him. The same Judge that said, "All souls are mine" and said "The soul that sinneth, it shall die" - took all those sins of the whole world of me and all these sins that afflict me, because, I did them - took them off me, as God. Because he's God. Able to do it.
  • That when Jesus said, in John 19:30 “It is finished” - It’s God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself. Not imputing my trespasses unto me. And I'm not the only one then, in the Bible. So are you. The same work God did toward me, he did toward you, too.

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• How? or Why? Because God now looks on this work he did with my sin as no longer in me, but in who he sent to be a propitiation for my sin, all by a work with sin he did, as God - it's a work of God. Done how God determined to do it in Jesus Christ, and he sees his work as a GREATER work that he did.
  • GREATER work than all that work I did doing the sins of all the lies I told, as a liar, or for every rapist and pedophile, or murderer in every prison over the whole earth. All I plainly did. And all your sins you do, or did, or will do - he already determined, as Judge, as God over all his creation, where they would go.
    • In him, as God, they all were laid on Jesus Christ. At his death, he put sin to death.
• But today, we don't see all sin subjected to it; because there's still one 70th of Seventy "Weeks" left of Daniel 9:24-27. That even those that don't believe on him, he will call them before him to bring them into account. That's still a work left to be done, and it will be done by this same Jesus Christ.

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And God's work - with sin -

You didn’t do that work. No authority. You just did the sins. He did the work that fulfills Daniel 9:24-27.

• So, it comes down to “believe” then. What that word means. This dictionary definition of “believe” means. 1. to accept as TRUE (Source: Oxford dictionary. Web.) That means, people that regard God, and his work, highly esteem him, to just consider carefully his works, as God vs. their own works.

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• Because God was in Jesus Christ, and he DID the Ten Commandments. And because he’s God, and did them, everywhere, where I or You did not do them, him doing the Ten Commandments as God, compensates for all the time I or You actually broke them and did NOT do them, and he made himself what makes up for that lack in both of us.
  • Because he already DID This work.
  • And Daniel 9:24–27 says
    • God’s work with sin:
• Finishes the transgression
• Makes an end of sin
• Makes reconciliation for iniquity
• Brings in everlasting righteousness.
  • And God did this to me. As his work toward me dead in my trespasses and sins I did. Did this to you, too. Did it everybody over the whole earth, as he determined to do it himself. When Jesus bowed his head, and dismissed his Spirit in John 19:30, he bequeathed his righteousness as God to me. To you, too. To everybody. Fulfilled what he said in Matthew 5:3 “Blessed are the ‘POOR IN SPIRIT” for their’s is the Kingdom of heaven”
    • So, toward me - came to me - not by me and me have some “beautiful attitude” or “beatitude” ..some attitude I keep practicing..and for decades, I did. Didn't work, thinking til I be good by just be a ‘poor soul” that is all poorly and humble, and doesn’t eat the last piece of pizza at the party. If I did that, like this innumerable number of times, finally he'd bless me. But if one time, I ate that last piece of pizza, even if nobody saw it, he did - and the blew the whole track record out, and he never bless me.
  • I thought that about Matthew 5:3 - and so do many people live after it that way.
• When it's to me - just a person that sinned, and perverted that which was right, and it profited me not - and he, as God has come to me and blessed me, in while I'm yet sinning did this work. That's impossible. But he's God and did it. All by a work he did. Not me, is the point.

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Then, the point of that is:

- He did it to you, too. Then, just as the Bible says, he did it for everybody. Poor. Destitute. Not have any God in their life. Condemned. Guilty, and Jesus defined in the Bible what “Spirit” is - this Greek “pneuma” - That God is Spirit. John 4:24

• So, at John 19:30, just like in Romans 5:12 where Adam bequeathed sin and death to me and you, and I know I got my inheritance. My sins are well proof of it, and all I have dead in my sins is the Bible says about you, the same. So did everybody over the whole earth, all condemned.
• God is greater than Adam. And was in Christ, on the Cross. So that’s who it took to pay for my sin. Means I could never pay it.
  • The same one that put the sun where it is, by his power, as judge, took him to pay it on the cross, that was the cost of my sin, so great it took God to pay it - - and it’s PAID FOR - and accepted as PAYMENT because GOD PAID it, and he accepted the PAYMENT. And if he did it to me, he did it to you, too, then.
    • Did it to everybody. Like he said he did. It's right there. Biblical. In the Bible.

You asked for it be Biblical.

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• Means, he bequeathed his righteousness at Jesus’ death to me. To you. To everybody in this condition of not have any God in our life. Condemned. I got my inheritance from God, he bequeathed it to me, in Jesus Christ.
  • But not everybody “accepts it as true” - not everybody believes on it.
• And God made that sin. And that's the sin that condemns anybody. Everybody that does not believe on this work God did.

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• John 16:9 says: “Of sin, for they believe not on me.” - Jesus Christ.

Because of this “work of God”

• Jesus said, in John 3:18–21

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

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That me: as a porno addict, liar, thief..adulterer..a pervert..I cannot get out of I did it. That, if there was a line of sinners, and you'd look at the back of it, for the worst of them, I'd be the guy at the end of it, and be behind that last guy in line. They're going to get in before me. I see it.

I see the Ten Commandments as a mirror God gives me. To see me, as he sees me.

So, I don’t use the Ten Commandments unlawfully. I use them how he does. Since he spoke them in Exodus 20 to make all Israel GUILTY before him. So GUILTY they begged Moses to go on up on the mount and make God stop talking. Did the same to me. I couldn't take it, either.To see where I am GUILTY where I did not do the Ten Commandments and find my sins are very great. Condemns me.

But just like in Numbers 21, where the Israel camp all murmured against God and his work, and despised his food. That he was their God. So God sent adders, these venomous snakes into the camp and they bit EVERYBODY. Many died.

That in their destruction - they cried out to Moses, “We have sinned against God," and asked Moses to cry out to God for them.

And God instructed Moses to make a serpent of brass and lift it high up, so that anyone..anybody that just looked unto or upon the serpent of brass, even they were already bitten..and many already died..already condemned - - if they just looked upon it, no matter where they were in the camp - even they were bitten, they lived.

Just like me or you, in all the sins we did. It's what God did with their sins in Numbers 21. Asked them to believe on him. Those that did, did not die.

And Jesus said this, as the Word of God, so God said it. Said:

John 3:12–15 says

12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

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So, Jesus is God. He's the Word of God made flesh and dwelt among us (John 1:14) - Where God Made himself a sacrifice for our sins, and suffered in our place. Not a work with the condemnation, but a work with the sin I did that condemns me, is the point.

• And whosoever believes on him is not condemned. But who simply: “dismisses him as inadequate; faulty; or unacceptable” Which is the “antonym” of believe, simply REJECTS him, because they already “accept as TRUE” something else. Like, they’ll “compensate for the faults and bad aspects” of themselves all by regard their own works to “redeem” themselves.
  • When God made himself our redeemer in Isaiah 44:24. You make yourself your own redeemer or what compensates for the faults and bad aspects of you is, you’ll do the work that makes you good. When God says: “There is not a just man on earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.” - Bible. Ecclesiastes 7:20
  • Says again, so he repeats it: “There is none good, but one, that is, God” - Jesus Christ. Matthew 19:17 - so there is just only one good, to look unto. The same one that said, as God, said: “Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.” - God. (Bible. Isaiah 45:22)

Is what’s accurate.

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And in Conclusion: Romans 8:1 says:

• The exact, same thing Jesus said in John 3:18–21, says:
  • “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.”
• And all “walk after” is just “walking in” what you look unto.
  • So, if you live in walking after to get rich, and have money like so many music videos I saw on MTV and still see today on YOUTUBE, that glorify money can get you women so you can sleep with as many as you want.
• It's just another in a million lines of the whole world glorifies your flesh.
  • From the right bikini or sun screen, and advertise this with a woman in a skimpy bikini on that big, house sized billboard advertise it I or you have to drive by every morning on the way to work.
• That: To me or you that I just gotta have it, and to get it, you gotta walk after, to walk in and follow going to the gym to get that ‘body’ - and many women give themselves completely over to this - in their flesh - as if their flesh is eternal, and to preserve it, need all this "SHISEIDO" or "Maybelline" cosmetics all to preserve it intact..and it's expensive.
  • While the guy, in his imagination,
  • If off like me and what I did - - imagines that fornication - if I or he could just have all some woman's body, that would make everything in my or his world right and good.
• Walking after beauty to have, live in, and be it in the flesh, by clothes or cars, or possessions or just follow after to look unto become rich. Once rich, that’s good.

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• When God told everybody over the whole earth to look unto him, means to walk after, to walk in and follow after him, as God, like where flowers and all green things flourish in sunlight. And I used to wonder where I fit in, in it. Couldn’t see it, when God decreed for them to grow by sunlight. He decree me, in Matthew 4:4 “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.”
  • That’s what he decreed I would grow and flourish in, when Jesus said, “I am the light of the world; he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.”
    • And if you love the light of the world, it’s because you accept him as true.

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• Where people that don’t - walk in darkness because their deeds are evil, and they don’t want their deeds to be brought to the light, where he would reprove them. Means they wouldn't be any good. Abase them, when like me, all about me, to lift myself up - I had to do it by me did the work * So then, to anybody over the whole earth. Have to be Like he did to me. To call me to "Come now, let us reason together," saith the LORD, "Though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be white as snow. Though they be red as crimson, they shall be as wool" - God. Said it to me in Isaiah 1:18.
  • Said it to you, too. To do it. Said it to everybody, and in do it, he does in me, with me just reason together with him, so me he did the Ten Commandments.
    • Where I didn't do them. Puts me to death.

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• That condemned: Him reason together with me: There’s no way in my flesh I can get it, but by be dead, in my trespasses and sins - - and dead - only God can do the work, and he raise me from the dead, by the Word of God.
  • Gives me life.
• That I would live by every word proceeds out of his mouth, and in this great, big pile of answer - answers all your question. No matter where it goes. How little or much. Even if it helps one, like it helped me. It's enough. It's the Word of God - and It's to everybody here on Reddit.

ANSWER:

You're simply going to have to remember. The Bible: Meets the dictionary definition of a book.

Book. 1. a set of written or printed paper bound in covers. What makes each book unique is the "author." Who is the "authority" for the "content" of what is written or printed - which is not you and your notes.

It was sent to you, already bound "as is," as a book. So, you're going to have to do, just like what you did in Junior High, or High School. When you were given your geography book. Like I was in the 1960s. I had to give it back at the end of the year, so I had to take care of it, as a book and not write anything in it. Later classes they PURCHASED and OWNED the book. So, my comment may reflect my age or time I lived in. So, take it in context.

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The point is:

Remember in Junior High or High School? Went thru the day. At school. Went from class to class. Me? I had seven subjects. Each day. Was this monotonous grind of given 4 minutes. Between classes, to get to the next one, usually a stop by my locker to drop off "notes" from one class, and pick up books and "notes" for the other.

So, I went to seven classes each day. Each class, I had to take notes. I kept them separate, by the class I took.

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I tried many different ways, and I flopped and abandoned many - to try another way to improve it. (My studies) was by the notes I took. Then, I couldn't find them when I needed them. SO, I went to some other way to do it is the point.

So, this below is not an all inclusive list:

..so with that, here's one time that I:

Kept them all in one 3 ring binder “Notebook” divided by tabs, that were coloured, and I could put the name of the class in the plastic, see thru tab, then in the same order I took the classes, ordered each subject in the notebook. I did the math. Going back to my locker to go to the next class = Late. Too many of those equated to one dropped grade. So, I tried the notebook and mentally, I just "glued" this notebook to my class textbook as if they were the same thing. (Do you get this point? Since your class text book is bound without any area, by the author, who is the authority for the text book that did not provide to you any place for you to take notes in it is the point.)

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Under each tab, I put about 15–20 pieces of 3 hole punched lined paper. Blank. With a supply of about 50–70 sheets, in case any subject ran out, I had a supply of blank paper with it.

So, when I sat in class, I just flipped to that class or as a “Topic” wrote down the week like “Week 4 Notes” and wrote my notes under that week.

..then I abandoned it. Too bulky. So, I bought seven different bound "notebooks" and wrote "BIOLOGY" on one, and "WORLD GEOGRAPHY" on another. Like, with the Bible, write "ISAIAH" on one, write "GENESIS" on another, or "GOSPEL OF JOHN" on yet another notebook, and they only cost about $1.00 - cheap. Worked. But I abandoned, that too. To just go with one notebook, by notes for each class, by day I took the class and notes. Because - twice - I misplaced or it fell out of my bag, my separate "NOTEBOOK" for Biology. Never found it. Something in this system of note taking didn't work for me, but against me is the point.

So, I abandoned it.

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Then for a long time, because I was so mad, how it kept failing me..when it was really me, that was failing me..I just didn't want to blame me..for causing me to fail..so to hide this fact:

I kept NO NOTES in any class, and for years, my grades showed it.

So, keeping notes, for me in Junior High and High School, I did poorly at it; but not college.

I found it was me. Because in Junior High, I looked unto girls in PE. Looked like they were dancing around in their underpants. I was just a "mannequin" in all the other classes. Not really there. Mentally, even I went home, I was STILL in the PE class, because all the girls in it.

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So, a KEY POINT with NOTES is, "who" you look unto in it. I didn't look unto GEOGRAPHY to equip me with anything. No profit. While I opened the text book, I was mentally still stuck in PE class, with all these girls in their underpants in my head.

By college - I went to college to get the content and to know the authors. Boy did that ever work, because when I took notes, boy was that effective.

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And with NOTE TAKING - I DID THIS. It does work: Because your Bible is a book and already bound as one, by the authority of the book. The author, and if he didn't leave any place for your notes, you have to do that and bind your notes to the BIBLE in you. You have to do it. But physically, separate. Many people, including me, after I became a disciple of Jesus Christ, means I believed on him, more than me - I would use a yellow, and other coloured high lighter or used my pen to underline verses spoke out to me - and those were "NOTES" to me. Worked.

Point I’m trying to make is, if you do the writing - you have to go to an office supply store. Even places, like Walmart, have a section where you can buy “school supplies” like pencil, and lined paper, and binders, and tabbed paper.

Because EVERY STUDENT attending school is EXPECTED to take notes - and that's not the textbook.

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But for a Bible, you might want two ringed binders for the Old Testament, and One Ring Binder for the New Testament, or just start off with one binder, and have 66 “Tabs” in it, and when you read, like out of Proverbs, and want to take note, write your notes there in under “Proverbs”

This “system” is inexpensive, since your Bible gives no place for “notes” in it. Accept it. Move on.

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But I found with this

• There is a drawback. A great, big, huge one with it. Taking Notes. Is why I abandoned it. I lost my notes. Over and over. Left them at home on my desk, when I needed it at school, and lett it in my locker, when I was studying at my desk at home and it happened so often, with all the other things I had to do at school I just quit it entirely. So - -Just like me. Where me: I was Stuck in PE class, mentally. There was a profit to girls in their underpants - pervert. And that continued pretty much throughout High School.
  • It’s really “who” you are seeking first.
    • If you’re seeking to take really good notes, then seek Walmart, in the school supply section.
    • But if you are seeking him, boy is that wholly and entirely different. And I found this with college. And with Jesus Christ, you either follow him, or you don't. And if you don't doesn't matter how many notes you take. You won't be doing anything he says, because you don't have and keep what he says, so when you need it, don't have it.
  • Boy, do I ever know this.

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But I also know following him - is because before I could not hear him. And now I do. Because before I accepted as true what was in PE class was a profit. I didn't have to take any notes what I set my mind on from when I woke up, to when I went to bed.

That PE class got replaced..because I perverted it, and because I did, I'm the one did it - and it was all thrown out. Worthless "notes." I kept priceless. To get what works is this same Jesus Christ. And you can't buy him at Walmart.

• Because, if you believe on him, he is in you. And of him, says: “For the LORD giveth wisdom, out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding” - Proverbs 2:6

In fact, like in the Bible, in the New Testament, when Jesus sent - it’s in the Gospel of Luke 10:1–4

• “1 After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come. 2 Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly is great, but the labourers are few: pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he would send forth labourers into his harvest. 3 Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves. 4 Carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes: and salute no man by the way…”
  • “Script” is a notebook..”
    • But they were being sent and equipped by this same God, to go and do as work he sent them to do.. This same who you are studying about. And to “study” is to regard the works of the Lord, and consider the operation of his hand, and making time in your life to do this - - in this:
    • You are not being sent, but sit with him, and being equipped.
  • And he feeds you, the Word of God, that you can live by it. Which that’s what he decreed that’s what he wants “man” - this great, big everybody over the whole earth to do. Live by every word that proceeds out of his mouth. Not out of a notebook. Because, out of his mouth comes wisdom, and the fear of the LORD, and who he is, as God, is the beginning of Wisdom - and all the beginning is then, is to regard him.
  • And there are MANY worthless, puffed up eggheads. Got a great, big puffed up head.
• Took copious notes, to a Ph.d and beyond, to have Ph.d’s work for them - and don’t do anything he says, but boy did they ever take notes, and arrived at they simply do not believe on him. When I valued PE class. Then, like an egghead, I was one, too. I did not believe on him, either.

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When the Bible - the whole thing is to equip you with him. Look what they got. A library full chocked, full of a whole bunch of notes. Same value as my "notes" from PE class.

But now..man, is it ever different.

That, everyday he feeds me, and he is recording them in a book. Just tells me, to live by every word proceeds out of his mouth - and by it, I eat: He feeds me.. not me feed me anymore is the point. And boy, is that ever a point. Took decades to see it, and I still don't get it right, but it's by abiding in him. It's who I 'partake' or take and eat and drink of..is the point.

Says this plainly:

• It's in the Gospel of John 6:54–58 what the Word of God said, this same Jesus Christ:

John 6:54–58 says

54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

You won’t live forever by a Walmart notebook.

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But what he teaches you, you hold priceless; then, you “have and keep it” like your purse or wallet. It’s just with you, every place you go. And told you to seek him daily. Seek him first. Seek him first in a day he made, and decided you can be in it, with him and he teach you. Because, he says he reserves, for himself, as God, an exclusive right to teach you himself.

WHich cannot be accomplished by you with some Walmart purchase of a notebook and all this effort you do. You’ll say at the end of it, “I am good.” Won’t fear him. Look at all that work you did. Just like the egghead above, did the same work way better than you ever did, but doesn’t do anything he says. When he gives eternal life. All they gave themselves was a library full of Walmart notebooks. Worthless work.

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Don’t do like wise. End up the same place. Sent away. Empty handed.

Can you hear this?

I found the best way, is have a notebook. Just one. Has some parchment or blank sheets in it, and when I come across a verse that really hits me..I leave the note book in one place, or take it with me in the car. Where I write it down, and it’s in an order he gives me. And I find that later, no matter where I peruse thru it, he's there. Right there in the notes. In a notebook is priceless. Holy. Because I KNOW who gave it to me.

Wasn’t Walmart.

Answer

Jesus: turned them over to it. That’s not sympathy, and turning over demons or people, is not allowing them anything - you give them over to it - because they’ve totally given themselves over to what they ask for - they plead and demand it - - even it ends in their destruction, but I don’t think you see it. It is hoped, by this post, you’d end up championing out what God has done in this - and who he is - - summed up in Luke 8:39.

You can leave now, if you want. Plenty of other answer to this post. Go read their’s instead. I wonder though, if you’re taken the long way around the farm and begin to see it, will you still want your question?

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Your QUESTION: Is answered simply - BY: - - Break it in Two parts:

• PART ONE: Christ showed sympathy to the demons.
  • Ah, that would be a NO.
    • What this question is based on is an event with Jesus Christ that occurs in Luke 8:26–39. So, go open your bible.
  • Luke 8:26 says: “And they arrived at the country of the Gadarenes, which is over against Galilee.

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• The “Gadarenes” is just a Greek way of saying these people are Jews.
  • Of the tribe of Gad. That, before the dispersion, these Jews occupied and ruled the land given to them by lot, by Moses - - as one of the 12 tribes of Israel; but, for Idolatry, Israel (less the tribes of Judah and Benjamin) were vomited off the Promised Land by God raised up the Assyrians, and gave them the land.
• That, the Assyrians, their King and all of Ninevah, all repented at the preaching of Jonah, where Israel, for 200 years of Kings, even God sent them prophet after prophet, never repented. Vomited them off the Promised Land. Gave the Land to the Assyrians.
  • Then, God gave the land to the Babylonians, when a later Assyrian King rose up, that didn’t repent, gave Nebuchadnezzar, King of Nations the land. It’s this (Bible. Job 12:23) What God does. “He makes nations great and destroys them; he enlarges nations and disperses them” all for the abominations the inhabitants of those nations do on the land. God visits the iniquity done on it, and the earth itself vomits the inhabitants off it, for the abominations they do on the land is the point.

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• So - - After the Babylonians, because of the abominations they did, God gave the Land to the Medes & Persians; and, after them, for the abominations they did on the land, gave this same land to the Greeks.
  • The Greeks offered pigs unto their gods at temples they built, now on the land; and after, God gave the land to the Romans, who in Jesus day of Luke 8:26–39, the Romans do the same thing on the land the Greeks before them did.
  • Offer pigs unto their idols.
    • These Jews, or "Gadarenes" of Luke 8:1 - - just raise and sell pigs to both the Romans and the Greeks that rule on the land. The pigs, because these Jews could make a lucrative living off it. The whole town does it.

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• So: These Jews of Gad.
  • Who some 7 centuries before, all departed off into idolatry and were vomited off their lands, there’s still a remnant of them - this remnant of Jews on the land, are raising pigs to sell to the Greeks and Romans, who are “Gentiles.” Again - - These Gentiles rule on the land, and these Gentiles buy these pigs, then offer them up as burnt offerings to their idols as a form of worship.
    • To worship idols. For this sake: These Jews raise pigs. But it’s an abomination for a Jew to do this. How did you miss all this?
• 1 Corinthians 10:20 says: “But I say that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils and not to God;”
  • Please keep that point.

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• And for a Jew:
  • Leviticus 11:7–8, and Deuteronomy 14:8, it is an abomination for any Jew to touch, handle, eat or raise pigs.
    • Which, that’s what these of the tribe of Gad are doing, in Luke 8:26–38; and God is visiting these lost people of Israel in their sins in Jesus Christ.
    • That’s what God is doing, as scripture says in 2 Corinthians 5:19 “”To wit, that God was in (Jesus) Christ, reconciling the world unto himself; not imputing their trespasses unto them;” Coming to save that which was lost.

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But Because of this sin Gad and the inhabitants on the land that rule it now (Romans and the Greeks) are doing, demons roam freely on the land and possess people, because the land is given totally over to idolatry.

• You missed the whole thing then. In “PART ONE” of your question.
  • And:
    • The demons want the pigs. Not Jesus showing them any mercy. To demons, the pigs are and have been a priceless value - to be sacrificed unto them, so they try to possess them, so they think they can later again be worshipped, after Jesus leaves. By these same pigs, and just possess them.
• But God already said this: “For all the earth is mine” - God. (Exodus 19:5). Also says as God: “All souls are mine” - God. (Ezekiel 18:4).

He says: (Psalm 50:10–12) “ For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine. If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof.”

Same one who said these things is God, is now with these Gadarenes, and just commanded the demons to come out of this man:

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So, read Luke 8:28–31 very carefully. Especially what they ask for as demons, not to be sent out or go out into the deep. (Or out into the Sea of Galilee)

No sympathy. Because what they ask not to happen to them, is exactly what happens to them. How did you miss this, with your question?

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Luke 8:27–31 says, of this demon possessed man: ..and the demons Jesus commands they MUST come out of him.

27 And when he [Jesus] went forth to land, there met him out of the city a certain man, which had devils long time, and ware no clothes, neither abode in any house, but in the tombs.

28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.

29 For he had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For oftentimes it had caught him: and he was kept bound with chains and in fetters; and he brake the bands, and was driven of the devil into the wilderness.

30 And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.

31 And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep.

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And Luke 8:32–33 continues with what happened to the demons.

Ask yourself: Is this sympathy?

Luke 8:32–33 says

32 And there was there an herd of many swine feeding on the mountain: and they [Legion of demons] besought him [the Word of God, Jesus Christ. Is God - John 1:1] that he would suffer them to enter into them. And he suffered them.

33 Then went the devils out of the man, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the lake, and were choked.

This word of Luke 8:32 “suffered” is not “sympathy” - this archaic use of this word, “suffer” - It’s when you defeat an enemy and you cast them off the land they occupy; and in the defeat, the vanquished beg for one final condition, or as the inferior to the superior, beg something to be provided them, which the whole goal of the victor is have these defeated completely leave. In this, the victor “suffers” the request of the vanquished.

It is this same word, but in Luke 8:32 in the Greek. This: ἐπέτρεψεν (epetrepsen) That was also used by Pontius Pilate when he told the Jews “I find no fault in him at all” about Jesus, but the Jews yelled out “crucify him! “crucify him!” - and after 3 times, Pilate suffered (John 19:38) - this:

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• Pilate' “suffered” these Jews - when his will was to set Jesus free, so the will of Pilate, which chaired as Rome’s emissary - officiated over the Jewish Sanhedrin, in Jerusalem, had a will to something else.
• So, this: ἐπέτρεψεν (epetrepsen) this "suffering" of the Jews - was done by Pilate. He washed his hands, as a symbol he had nothing to do with it, and turned Jesus over to the Jews to be crucified. Pilate' didn’t show “sympathy” to these Jews. He saw right through them and suffered them. What they ask for curses them. Same thing that will happen to the demons in Luke 8.
  • So this “Suffer, what this word means in English, isn’t also the same of 500 years ago, or 2000 years ago in the original Greek. So - in scripture, as suffer means today. Jesus isn’t suffering. The demons have put forth a defeated request. They must OBEY Jesus and leave this man.
  • And in Luke 8:33, the exact thing the demons asked for NOT TO HAPPEN - is what happened.
• Did you miss that, too? Why is this not in your question?

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• You should ask, “Why? How did it happen?” ANSWER: What do these demons long for or covet? Yeah. Worship.
  • It’s all based on their lust to covet the pigs to be sacrificed to them, and be worshipped.
• They have been receiving worship by it for a long time. In a similar fashion, the Jew’s that sat and officiated at Jesus trial, sat in and seek the place Jesus has a rightful seat in the hearts of the people.
• Therefore, the Jews plea - to Pilate. Even Pilate’s judgment is to release Jesus, - what the Jews plead for, got them right where, as Jews, they did not want to be sent. Just like the demons covet the pigs.

Your question misses all these things.

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Part TWO: (Jesus) allowed them [the Legion of Demons] to go into the herd of pigs.

• Allow - means also to authorize (something). When, again, it's just like Pontius Pilate in John 19:38. Pilate did not allow; rather, as the authority over the trial of Jesus, Pilate gave the Jews over to what they lusted after. That's not "sympathy" - the Jews said: “let his blood be on us and our children” - Pilate, in essence, just like what Jesus did to the demons, Pilate gave them over to this.
  • Wasn’t showing any sympathy, and neither was Jesus.

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• Just like God gave these demons over to what they worship, themselves - and to save themselves, to turn them over to what they lust after, which is the pigs, and simply turned over to a lust to be worshipped, Jesus gives them over to it. Guess what? Same God does the same thing to you, or me or anybody, when we don't do what he says - don't regard him, so, like what occurs to a people that don't regard the works of the LORD, neither consider the operation of his hand (Isaiah 5), God turns them over to it, to get "heart fat" off it. You see that EXACTLY in the demons, by what they plead for, which is rooted in the worship.
  • And Jesus, as the authority over them - simply gives them over to what destroys them along with the pigs.

And if you keep reading, Luke 8:37 says “ Then the whole multitude of the country of the Gadarenes round about besought him [Jesus] to depart from them; “  Lost all their livelihood.

And the man that was possessed and now is free, asked Jesus if he could come with him.

And Luke 8:39 says - Jesus in response to this request from this man, says::

“Return to thine own house, and shew how great things God hath done unto thee. And he went his way, and published throughout the whole city how great things Jesus had done unto him.”

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Post is long. Tedious.

It is hoped, by this post, you’d end up championing out what God has done in this - summed up in Luke 8:39.

So, let me repeat your question again.

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Why did Christ show sympathy to the demons called Legion by allowing them to go into the herd of pigs?

He turned them over to it. That’s not sympathy, and turning over demons or people, is not allowing them anything - you give them over to it - because they’ve totally given themselves over to what they ask for - they plead and demand it - - even it ends in destruction, even people that don't regard him, as God, do the same thing; but I still wonder in all this. Do you see it? Maybe some of your readers here on Reddit will see it.

It is hoped, by this post, you’d end up championing out what God has done in this - and who he is - - summed up in Luke 8:39.

Been around the farm now. Still want your question? Can you see it?

Answer

Okay. “Who” is the “Spirit and power” of Elijah? Elijah or some ant’s butt? C'mon. tell me.

Is it a telephone plant littered with nose booger's? That Spirit and power? or maybe a door knob's?

Or is the “Spirit and power” of Elijah actually God himself? That Elijah, in 1 Kings Chapter 17 to Chapter 19, is Elijah operates by the Word of God.

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So, it's not Elijah’s Spirit, nor is it Elijah’s power, but Elijah operates by the power and Spirit of God.

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Now, to your question(s).

• The first one. Just asks “Why?” - Like some clown. And again, I am not ridiculing you at all. Or it's likened unto some half wit, standing on the street corner. Homeless. No money: demanding to know “why” Kim Kardashian, who is a billionaire in her own right, sees her in her signature black stretch limousine, screams out:
  • “Why did Kim Kardashian come drive by me in a luxurious, stretch black limousine vs. actually come by me on a worn out bicycle that looks like mine, and right before this, the limousine stopped at this Stop sign, and when the car stopped, I could see that she wasn’t driving it. Why?”
    • Well, probably because she’s a billionaire with her own company, SKIMS, and has her own wealth and her own private investments. Means she has the power and authority to have someone else drive her vs. when go anyplace, can well afford to pay someone, so she chooses it, not to drive herself. So, the driver and the limousine come in the power and essence of Kim Kardashian. Because, that’s how she determines to do it.
• And God says: "For all the earth is mine" (Exodus 19:5) .."All Souls are mine" - God (Ezekiel 18:4)
• *Says: "For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. · I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine. If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof.*" -** God. (Psalm 50:10-12)

Kinda poop dwarfed Kim Kardashian right down to nothing. Like you dwarf this half wit, asking this question - do the same thing...and look who you do it with.

How many other questions you got like this? Again, I am not making fun or mocking you; rather, to show you what you are doing so you wake up.

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And, your second question.

• Malachi 4:5–6 was fulfilled already. It's in Luke 1:5–17, as told by the angel of the LORD, Gabriel, what Gabriel said to Zachariah in his old age fulfills Malachi 4:5-6. Not some other event you make up, mixing in Revelation Chapter 11 into it. The terrifying thing for me is, that if God did not do this work with sin as he determined he would do in Daniel 9:24-27, told to Daniel by this same angel, Gabriel that visits both Zachariahs and Mary in the Gospel of Luke Chapter 1. That if he didn't do it, man, that's the end of everything - but God did accomplish the work in and by Jesus Christ, so Malachi 4:5-6 should put everybody on their face, at the work God did with our sins. If he didn't, that'd be the end of everything Cursed, by God. So, go read Malachi 4:5-6 again. Then be thankful, God fulfilled Malachi 4:5-6 in Luke 1:5-17.

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And Luke 1:5-17 Says:

5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.

6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

7 And they had no child, because that Elisabeth was barren, and they both were now well stricken in years.

8 And it came to pass, that while he executed the priest's office before God in the order of his course,

9 According to the custom of the priest's office, his lot was to burn incense when he went into the temple of the Lord.

10 And the whole multitude of the people were praying without at the time of incense.

11 And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense.

12 And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him.

13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.

15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.

17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

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Then, Zachariah responds to this angel, by say: Luke 1:18 to 22. That says:

18 And Zacharias said unto the angel, Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife well stricken in years.

19 And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.

20 And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season.

21 And the people waited for Zacharias, and marvelled that he tarried so long in the temple.

22 And when he came out, he could not speak unto them: and they perceived that he had seen a vision in the temple: for he beckoned unto them, and remained speechless.

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And as the Angel Gabriel had said, Zachariahs was speechless until Elizabeth conceived, or until Luke 1:57–65

That says:

57 Now Elisabeth's full time came that she should be delivered; and she brought forth a son.

58 And her neighbours and her cousins heard how the Lord had shewed great mercy upon her; and they rejoiced with her.

59 And it came to pass, that on the eighth day they came to circumcise the child; and they called him Zacharias, after the name of his father.

60 And his mother answered and said, Not so; but he shall be called John.

61 And they said unto her, There is none of thy kindred that is called by this name.

62 And they made signs to his father, how he would have him called.

63 And he asked for a writing table, and wrote, saying, His name is John. And they marvelled all.

64 And his mouth was opened immediately, and his tongue loosed, and he spake, and praised God.

65 And fear came on all that dwelt round about them: and all these sayings were noised abroad throughout all the hill country of Judaea.

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And if you would actually R.E.A.D Luke 1, I'd recommend EVERYBODY reading this post to just go and do it - but for you - since this is your question: you’d find Gabriel also visits Mary, that brings forth JESUS. This Messiah promised.

And with that, you are “mixing” the Book of Revelation, at Jesus’ SECOND coming. When Malachi 4:5-6 is already fulfilled by Luke 1:5-17.

• No scripture explicitly states that the two witnesses in Revelation 11 come and one of them is Elijah. Whoever is feeding this line to you, is full of their own conjectures - - and the other witness, others say is Moses, or some other imaginative speculation. Not scriptural at all.
  • Just they are God’s two witnesses, in the 70th of Seventy Weeks prophesied by this same Gabriel to Daniel in Daniel 9:24–27 - and in Revelation 11, like Elijah, these two witnesses are able call fire down from heaven. Revelation 11:5–6 says of them both:
    • “5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. 6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.”
• Which is well more than Elijah did, and more also what God did to Egypt, where a famine was over the whole earth, spared Egypt with Joseph, an earlier Pharaoh put Joseph over all of Egypt. Even Pharaoh's house. But a Pharoah rose up, that knew not Joseph. That Pharoah, the Egyptians worship Pharaoh as God, when the REAL God showed up.
• And the same thing will be happening over the whole earth in this last 7 year period of Revelation. That, plagues, when the REAL God showed up, will as Revelation 11:5-6 says - also seems similar like it was with God with Moses to Egypt.
• Going to do the same thing now, the same kind of plagues God rained down on Egypt - to now do it to the whole earth - because they don’t do anything he says. And how God does it, is:
  • By the same Spirit and power of God, because, the same Spirit of God did it also by Elijah, both bringing fire from their mouths to destroy enemies and stopping rain, mirroring the actions of the Spirit of God working through Elijah in 1 Kings 17 and 2 Kings 1.
  • And bring the same plagues..with all plagues as often as they will. Because how they will, is by the Will of God. It's God does it himself.

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You and your question look to the WRONG thing..er, rather, the WRONG ONE in the scriptures.

• God told everybody, over the whole, entire earth, to the very ends of it to “Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.” - God. (Isaiah 45:22)
  • You imagined up some quacky question to look unto. Going to look unto that instead, until you find out the answer, when you should be operating by the same Spirit of God and in power, by the Word of God that Elijah does, even to this day.
    • Just by YOU: doing what God decreed, you'd be just like Elijah. Not one bit different. And God decreed publicly, for everybody do this, just look unto him, like Elijah did, everybody, not one person left out, over the whole earth.
  • You’d be walking as Jesus walked, because, you’d be walking in the same Word of God. Because, that's who Jesus is. The Word of God. He'd be in you at work.
    • Why don’t you do just as Jesus decreed everybody is to do, go do that instead?
• Said, “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God” - Matthew 4:4

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• You’d be doing the exact, same thing Elijah did.
• Live by every word proceeds out of God’s mouth - it’s God decreed it. I’d take your question and throw it in the trash can.
  • , and just go hear what God says. Open your Bible. Eat at his table. That's what Elijah did. It worked. Go do that instead. He'd feed you, same food he fed Elijah. The Word of God.

More than enough said. For everybody on Reddit.

Here’s your questions back.

Answer

Let’s first verify all your statements. Each one. Separate.

1. Jesus said, John the Baptist is Elijah:

Comment:

True. Says it in Matthew 11:14. Embedded in what Jesus says of John the Baptist in Matthew 11:7–14

• That says:
  • “7 And as they departed, Jesus began to say unto the multitudes concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken with the wind? 8 But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings' houses. 9 But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet. 10 For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. 11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force. 13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. 14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.” - Jesus Christ.
  • //NOTE: Please refer back to this Matthew 11:7–14 with other of your statements//

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2. John (the Baptist) said I am not (Elijah).

Comment:

True. John the Baptist said it in John 1:21 when asked by who the Pharisees who sent Jews and though it is left unsaid, it is most likely it's both Levite [which are of the Priestly line in the temple, but King Herod built the temple, and he championed out these Sadducee "priests" who claimed they were of Korah, and didn't believe in any books past the 5 Books of Moses. The point is just what John 1:21 says - who the Pharisees sent to John the Baptist, John replies to them, and their questions. It's in John 1:19. That says: “And this is the record of John [the Baptist], when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?

• John 1:21 says:
  • “And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.”

//So, Two for Two - CORRECT so far. Let’s keep going.//

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3. Jesus said, “John was a prophet.”

Comment: Nope.

False. Jesus said that, and more than a prophet. Jesus also said John was greater than ALL THE PROPHETS. Jesus? Yeah. He Put John the Baptist in a category all by himself. Says this, just repeated again from Matthew 11:9–11

• Matthew 11:9–11 says:

"..But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet.For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he." - Jesus Christ.

• Because he heralds in the messiah as a messenger, in the Spirit and likeness of Elijah. And scripture says: John the Baptist did wear clothing identical to the prophet Elijah—a garment of camel's hair with a leather belt. (Elijah: 2 Kings 1:8 vs. John the Baptist: Mark 1:6 describes John the Baptist wearing camel's hair with a leather belt and eating locusts and wild honey.)

…but people, even Herod the King did call John the Baptist a prophet (Matthew 14:5 and Matthew 21:26). But Jesus called him more than a prophet is the point.

//Oops. Got one wrong. So, so far, just 2 out of 3//

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4. John (the Baptist) said, “I am not.” (a prophet).

Comment:

Partial. Neither False nor True. John 1:21 refers (again). Same John 1:21 of Statement #2.

• John 1:29 just repeated, says:
  • “And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.”
• So, they just ask him if he's Elijah - because they know the scripture, and he denies it - - twice. He does not specifically say he is not a prophet. He just says, what he says he is. in John 1:22 & 23. That says:

“Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself? He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.”

• There you go.
  • That’s what John the Baptist said. But again, that’s not what Jesus said about John the Baptist. It’s also not what people and King Herod said about John the Baptist.
  • But what both Jesus says of John the Baptist, and what John the Baptist says of himself are BOTH accurate. John the Baptist just said, he says the same thing Elijah said. That's true. Accurate. Says that as his answer to theses Pharisees and who they sent - and they didn't believe on John the Baptist, didn't do anything he said. Were not baptized of him, which is why God sent John the Baptist.

So, now your last question but you got half of your statements wrong: Then, you ask:

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• Who is right? Jesus or John? When the same Spirit of God is in both of them.
  • So, now I got another question:
    • Scripture and this post already tell you “who” Jesus, as the Messiah, SHALL BE called.
    • The Mighty God. The Everlasting Father. - Isaiah 9:6–7 and I asked you to tell me who has that title?
    • Jesus is the “Word of God. Is God” (John 1:1) So, who is Jesus? WHen scripture says: "To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself; not imputing your trespasses unto you." 2 Corinthians 5:19. Who did this work in sending John the Baptist, to herald him in, to do a work of God, and ask you to believe on his work, which is to believe on who he sent, this same Jesus Christ.

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• 2 Corinthians 6:18 says, God said “And I will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty”
• Leviticus 11:44 God says, by the Word that proceeds out of his mouth. That’s the Word of God. Said: “I am Holy” - God. Just God speaking of himself.
• John 4:24 - Jesus, the Word of God, so it’s just God speaking, said: “God is Spirit”
  • So, God is a “Holy Spirit. That speaks, and declares he will be a Father unto you. And Deuteronomy 6:4 says: “Hear O Israel, for the LORD our God is just one LORD.”

Says of Jesus Christ:

• Colossians 1:16 “For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible”
  • And John the Baptist, who you ask “who is right?” John the Baptist said of Jesus Christ: John 1:27

“"He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose"

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And Jesus says of himself in Matthew 28:18 “All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.”

And John the Baptist said of himself and of Jesus Christ compared to him in John 3:30–31

• “He must increase, but I must decrease. He that cometh from above is above all:”

I’ll leave you to answer it yourself. When it’s God that sent John the Baptist. So, what’s your answer to your last question, with half your statements wrong?

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I mean, it’s 50/50 then, same 50/50 - that - - you’ll even get your own answer to your own question WRONG. But I think people that are reading this post here on Reddit. They are being given the Gospel. A chance to hear and believe on him. The Good News of Jesus Christ, and while some long before now, left off reading this post, those that got this far, there will be some that will believe on Jesus Christ.

• Because they see it. Jesus is who he says he is, and will find him. John the Baptist is who he says he is. Accurate. But You? 50/50. Here’s your question back.

Answer:

Explains itself.

It’s tied intrinsically to what Paul charged Timothy in 1 Timothy 1:1–5, says:

“Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope; Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord… .…As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine, Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do. Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

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• That means, “some” at Ephesus:
  • And at Ephesus, originally a Greek metropolis - and there, was the “Temple of Artemis” - and "Artemis" was the older of the two or twin sister of Apollos. So, who were the children of the Greek God, Zeus.

   

• Her temple at Ephesus was known as the “Artemision” - one of the "seven wonders of the ancient world." No links. You can search on it yourself. That later, the Romans overthrew the Greeks, and renamed this temple to Artemis, the “Temple of Diana” - and gave her the same attributes, as also Diana was the "sister of Apollos."
  • So, Ephesus was, in Paul's day, a then known as an ancient wonder, based on these “fables” of both Greek and, to the Romans, became the Roman Empire's “Capitol City of the Roman Province of Asia Minor. Ephesus was 2nd only to Rome itself, in both wealth and reputation throughout the Roman Empire.
  • Ever lived in a city like that?
    • Lots of “things” to boast about. That doesn't have any God in it, and what he's done in and by Jesus Christ is the point.

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• So, look what Paul is doing, leaving or directing Timothy to “abide still at Ephesus” - to this word, in Greek, the original language of 1 Timothy. This word, charge is, in the original Greek, < - {παραγγείλῃς (parangeilēs) } - > 1. to declare; command; to decree [something]
  • So, it meets one of these English definitions of charge - has many definitions; but one of them is (Source: Merriam & Webster dictionary. Web. Accessed 11 May 2026)
    • 1. to impose a task or responsibility on; 2. to command, instruct; or exhort with authority.

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• So, Paul had left Timothy behind at Ephesus, especially, since this is the same Ephesus - again, this Epicentre of Rome’s second only to Rome city - where in Acts 19:21–22 says:
  • Best to read it from Acts 19:21–41 (end of the Chapter). The point is what has earlier occurred at Ephesus with Paul - so for brevity, only here - Acts 19:22–29 says:

22 So he [Paul] sent into Macedonia two of them that ministered unto him, Timotheus and Erastus; but he himself stayed in Asia for a season.

23 And the same time there arose no small stir about that way.

24 For a certain man named Demetrius, a silversmith, which made silver shrines for Diana, brought no small gain unto the craftsmen;

25 Whom he called together with the workmen of like occupation, and said, Sirs, ye know that by this craft we have our wealth.

26 Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands:

27 So that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at nought; but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, and her magnificence should be destroyed, whom all Asia and the world worshippeth.

28 And when they heard these sayings, they were full of wrath, and cried out, saying, Great is Diana of the Ephesians.

29 And the whole city was filled with confusion: and having caught Gaius and Aristarchus, men of Macedonia, Paul's companions in travel, they rushed with one accord into the theatre.

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So, Believers in Jesus that dwell in Ephesus

• Live amongst these things. A temptation or some Reason to glory in their city by being highly esteemed by Rome. The whole Greek world worships, just as Demetrius said above - and makes to themselves it's holy for anyone to make pilgrimage to Ephesus to worship this Goddess as this Seventh Wonder of the Ancient World.
  • That, there are many Greek “fables” that are or were being glorified in Ephesus, just as Demetrius, the Silversmith (Acts 19:24) again points out. These artisans and other citizenry that dwell in Ephesus could also, just as Demetrius charged his fellow Ephesian citizenry - - they have their livelihood by championing out and selling these crafts or artifacts that glorify these Greek and Roman myths and fables.
    • But, believers in Jesus Christ, already walked away from all of this, as they are not God. It's idolatry. So, championing it out or speaking well of it, as if to glorify Ephesus - is blasphemy.

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In conclusion:

• Make sure you tie or cement 1 Timothy 1:20 directly with 1 Timothy 1:19 or just sandwich it all together with 1 Tomothy 1:15–20. Base it on what opened the chapter in 1 Timothy 1:1–5.
  • 1 Timothy 1:15–20 says:

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

18 This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;

19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:

20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

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So, God hasn’t sent Christ into the world

• For me to champion out Greek fables; rather, just as Paul says of himself in 1 Timothy 1:15
  • “This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.” I see it. I resemble that remark.
    • That by the grace of God, through Jesus Christ, Paul, like anybody over the whole earth, that, just like me, just looks unto Jesus Christ, receives this like-same mercy given by God in and by Jesus Christ. It's in none else.
  • Not by glorifying myths and fables or how wonderful their city is to champion that out. I am sure there was a whole lot of wealth to be had, for those like Demetrius that did it. And a temptation, to walk away from Christ - to go back and fashion oneself in the former things.

That some, at Ephesus, such as Hymenaeus and Alexander have done. Have left off believing on Jesus Christ, and now blaspheme the word of God - once did, but no longer hold any faith in him. That Timothy is a faithful witness of Jesus Christ, and in a war in Ephesus against these things, championing out the gospel both the believers and non-belivers in Ephesus.

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And how it applies the same way today: Also applies to you and me, as believers on Jesus Christ

• I’m not here to champion out how wonderful and law abiding Japan is; which, that’s what the Japanese, about themselves CONSTANTLY - at every opportunity and in every way, champion out about themselves.
  • And by this, they think it makes them righteous - where there is not one righteous Japanese person in the whole Nation of Japan. They are all unrighteous; no, not a single one of them is good.
  • The only good is just one, that is, God.
    • And what work God did in sending his only begotten Son to save us from our sins.

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• That, from Japan, to anybody that will listen, I am charged to preach the gospel. The Good news of Jesus Christ, and they absolutely hate it. I am not to leave off from sharing the Word of God - to shipwreck myself and be crashed on the rocks, flaily pig slop slap out how wonderful for you to come to Nara or Kyoto - and tell you how wonderful those cities are - when all they got is temples to dumb idols the Japanese all imagined up.
• And I am sure this offends some. Just like what Paul did, sharing the word of God. There is salvation in none other than Jesus Christ. That's it. Championing out anything but that is blasphemy. And, like in Japan: What they worship, and 10s of millions of people do it, what they worship:
  • Isn’t God, but they worship the works of their own hands as God, and in this the entire nation of Japan does greatly err.

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So, I got the same charge by this same Apostle of Jesus Christ in 1 Timothy 1:1–20 that you do as well.

And if you are a believer in Jesus Christ: Yeah. It's absolutely true. So do you. Doesn’t matter what it is you’re in, or where you live. It's the whole world will be doing this, champion out what they make as good.

...and if you settle with it, you just shipwreck yourself and blaspheme the work of God, by championing out some other work. Shipwreck yourself and make the work of God in you of none effect.

So, you have the same charge Timothy got - to champion out no other than the work God is doing - which that’s what you are exhorted to abide in. Just as Timothy was in 1 Timothy 1:1-20. Is in and by this work of God he is doing in you. Just as God was at work in Timothy. Same hand. Same work.

Do you get it?

There are both believers and non-believers come on Reddit, and read these answers. Try to answer these questions, that don't have any actual or real answer you can use in it.

This answer is exclusively given to believers in Jesus Christ.

That’s it.

Answer:

I would agree that both the person, Mark, in the New Testament of the Bible, and the person, “Matthew” who is Levi in these two gospels are both eyewitness accounts of Jesus Christ. That means, they both saw him, with their own eyes and heard him, and both were disciples of Jesus Christ.

So they both, like eyewitnesses to a traffic accident in modern times, were

1. both there. At the scene of the accident; and

2. before their eyes, they actually SAW the accident occur.

Then both eyewitnesses give a sworn testimony of what they saw occur in front of them.

From both accounts, and other eyewitness testimonies, because more than two people witnessed the whole thing, even the police were not there, they can piece together what happened by these testimonies or “testaments” what we call today, “statements” and their identity verified.

So, two separate statements, the one eyewitness does not couch his statement based on what the other says, they make their own statement, because both witnessed the same thing happen.

And the reason for all four of these gospels, all eyewitness accounts is stated in John 21:25, and applies to both the Gospel of Mark, and the Gospel of Matthew, says "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen."

And also says this: the reason why they give their testimonies: Is in John 20:31 "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."

So, these eyewitness statements of what they saw and recorded, worked. Not only worked in me, but many other people, that Jesus prayed for this: Said, when he prayed for his 12 disciples, also prayed for me in John 17:20 "Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;"

You miss the whole thing.

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In this:

The Basis or "Foundation" of your question is laid bare and plain.

It's a "STATEMENT" - that makes a claim. That the New Testament Gospel of Mark is a fable or a story. And that Matthew simply copies Mark's story. Then, to make it believable - Matthew builds on or adds more detail. In a 400 series English class, I remember this was given a title of "The Arthurian Legend" - this make up a "story" of a "King Arthur" with his knights, and then later, other accounts fill in or branch off to expound on other "details." It's a 1290 to 1300 AD literary work, but in my day of modern times, "STAR WARS" (1977) Dir. Lucas, George. LucasFilms, Inc. Film. Does the same thing. Where, to date, there is now over twenty "spin off" movies - over the last almost 50 years - all imaginative "stories" that just keep milking this imaginative fable.

ANd that's the underlying claim your question is making.

So, all this question is really saying is the Gospel of Matthew is simply Matthew is spinning an imaginative expansion of Mark's original fable.

Because, the person that makes this statement, just forms it into a question, simply doesn't believe anything God says.

Dismisses him as inadequate; faulty or unacceptable. Like, if at the police station, somebody gathers and starts screaming - - some clown, not even remotely linked to the accident, claims in front of the police station, all the statements they got to the accident, the police themselves made them up. Claim there was no accident, even they weren't even there. Just yelling out, the police themselves copied from each other's made up statements. When all the police did, was when a person at the scene of the accident, called "911" - is they responded to the scene of the accident, and collected the statements.

Verified they are true accounts.

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Based on this, your question meets that idiom they use over in America. It's in the Merriam & Webster dictionary.

Full of crap. (Idiom. American.) 1. Is not to be believed. Saying things that are not true.

Your question meets that definition.I hold both these eyewitness testimonies to be true accounts two separate eyewitnesses of Jesus Christ made, where both were there. Witnessed the whole thing. Mark, is the same Mark that was with Paul and Barnabas in the Book of Acts (Acts Chapter 12, 13, and 15); and again, after Paul and Barnabas had that contention over this same Mark: Paul did not want to take him (Acts 15:37-38), that; by 2 Timothy 4:11 - Paul says: "Only Luke is with me. Take Mark, and bring him with thee: for he is profitable to me for the ministry."

Is this same Mark that he himself is in Mark 14:51-52 - he is the young man.

But you?

You weren't there. Yet, you make this question true about something you know nothing of.

You, too, meet this American idiom definition. In fact, if you go to a mirror, what's in the reflection could be photographed and shown to everybody what this idiom actually looks like.

Take your question with you.

Answer:

The very best answer to this question is what Jesus said. One of the things he said, is in Matthew 25:1–13

But, I don’t think you’ll read it, just like five of these ten virgins, that were foolish bridesmaids, I doubt they'd read it, either. So, I’ll list it, so even if you don’t read it, maybe your readers of this question here on Reddit - - will that have interest in the answer to this question. SO they see it.

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Matthew 25:1–13 is the Parable of the Ten Virgins

Jesus is the Word of God, so it's just God said it: says:

1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.

3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:

4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.

5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.

8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.

10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

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Now, the “KEY” to this Parable of a wedding.

• Is NOT look at it, as a “Western” Wedding.
  • But put on “Jewish” eyes. See it as, in Jesus’ day, a “Jewish” wedding.

Where in a “Western” wedding:

• The “bridesmaids” come with the bride.
  • But in a Jewish wedding, the bridesmaids KNOW the bridegroom. Where in a Western wedding, the bridesmaids “obey” or follow (side with) the Bride, and in a Jewish wedding, everything the bridesmaid needs, is provided for, by visiting prior to the wedding, visiting the bridegroom themself.
• The “oil” for their lamp - is provided, again, by the bridegroom.
  • For a Jewish wedding.
  • Where in a “Western” wedding, a wedding happens during the day. Which is when it’s light outside. Like late morning or early afternoon is the best time for a wedding.
    • But in a Jewish wedding, the day “starts at 6:00pm” - ends the following day at evening at 6:00pm, when another new day starts then. Where in the West, that has "Western Weddings," the day starts at sunrise. Quite the opposite then.
  • So, 6:00pm: - - that’s the start of a new day, so a Jewish wedding occurring as first part of a day, beginning somewhere or close to well after midnight - especially with all the customs of visiting the bride's parents at their house with a gift, then taking the bride to the "thresh hold" or dwelling or new house where they both will live, would mean there’s a REASON that takes up time from when the wedding usually started (around 9:00pm or the start of the 2nd watch, and reason, since it's well past "Dark" for the oil and a lamp for a bridesmaid.
    • And “why” in the Parable “they all slept” (Matthew 25:5). Because by the time the bride groom "tarried" doing all these responsibilities - it's now well past midnight.
• That the wedding - never occurs on the Sabbath in a Jewish wedding.
  • But constantly, in a Western wedding, weddings occur on a Saturday or favorit is the weekend.
    • When Jewish weddings are so important, they are the FIRST to occur AFTER Sabbath. Which that starts Friday evening and ends Saturday evening.
  • So, all the cooking, and giving out the oil, the bridegroom must accomplish, to ensure right when Sabbath is over - at a Jewish wedding of Jesus’ day, he visits them personally, on the day BEFORE Sabbath starts, or a few days before - or they come to his house, because they KNOW him. He chose them. They're his bridesmaids.
• But these other five in the parable - they don't know him. It's an unsaid point.

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• As well, stress it then. In the Parable, as well in real life with you and me - - five of them know the bridegroom. In fact, throughout the whole parable, five of them don’t do anything, the bridegroom says. It's unsaid, because the audience for the parable are all Jews, so they know what's NOT said, but it's said here, so you, too, can know it.
  • The five foolish bridesmaids - have a claim to be bridesmaids, but: They just show up for the wedding.
  • The “key" is the oil. They don't have any. For the wedding. Have enough for them selves to say they're bridesmaids, but not enough for a wedding.

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• So, when the decree comes, to all ten of these bridesmaids: “…the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him” (Matthew 25:6). The five foolish ones, they don’t do that, they “look unto” the other bridesmaids to provide them oil.
• It’s just like your question.
  • Asking: “Which variant of Christianity is closest to the original teachings of Christianity?”

   

• Instead of asking Jesus Christ, this person asks this question just like a bridesmaid, then wants to know which is the closest bridesmaid, when they’re already a bridesmaid themselves.
  • Just don’t know the bridegroom, just like in the parable - - who is Jesus Christ.
• They don’t ask him. They ask other bridesmaids. Which are just people here on Reddit. Do the same thing what’s being done in this parable. That God said.

So, we should regard it, because who said it. It's about himself.

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• So at the decree: “…the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him” they don’t “obey” that. They go out to buy oil themselves. When the bridegroom provides all the provision, in enough quantity because he's responsible for the oil for for his wedding himself.
  • They just claim they’re bridesmaids, over the bridegroom. It shows up in everything they do in the Parable.

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So, when they return with their own oil they purchased themselves - they, these five foolish bridesmaids that don’t do anything he says, but the other five, that the bridegroom provided them their oil for HIS wedding - they obey him and go in. Because they KNOW him, and because they do, they just naturally obey everything he decrees AT HIS WEDDING.

But in Matthew 25:11 - these other five foolish come back, never went in to the wedding when called. Went off to do something else instead. Cry out, to the Bridegroom: “Lord, Lord, open to us.”

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These five foolish bridesmaids:

• Totally relying on themselves, and their claim as “bridesmaids” all by their own works - just like people here on Reddit or all over the earth, but didn’t or don't do anything God says, according to the bridegroom - WHEN IT’S HIS WEDDING. When God says: For all the earth is mine. God. (Exodus 19:5). The foolish don't regard what he decrees. He's the bridegroom in his own parable.
  • And in Matthew 25:12 - the bridegroom does not open the door. The wedding already started. He replies back to these five, through a closed door that will not open to them - says: “Verily I say unto you, I know you not.”

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Going to do the same with you.

Asking other Bridesmaids.

• When God already told you, as he’s the Bridegroom: said to you: “Come now, let us reason together,” saith the LORD, “though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be white as snow. Though they be red as crimson, they shall be as wool.” — God. Isaiah 45:22
  • You’re off asking, to reason together with people - about “christianity” and which “christianity” is closest to the original “christianity.” When the "original" is Jesus Christ. The Word of God. You don't want him to tell you anything, and he's the bridegroom.
• You're so off it's not funny.

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• And when he told everybody, over the whole entire earth, to the very ends of it, to “Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.” - God. (Bible. Isaiah 45:22)
• It's a decree by God to do this.
  • You don’t do anything he says, looking unto people on Reddit or anyplace over the whole earth, looking for Christianity to tell you which Christianity is closest to Christianity - and you never come now.
    • Never reason together with him. Alone. By yourself. Which that's what God asked you, me, everybody over the whole earth to do. You're off looking at the bridesmaids to provide it.
• Like what these five foolish bridesmaids, didn’t do either. Just like you.

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Here’s your question back.

Best thing I’d tell you to do, is go to the bridegroom. Do that as he told you to do, as God, to come now. Reason together with him. vs. reason together, alone. WIth yourself, then think, like these bridesmaids did, at his decrees, look unto other people instead - - about what he says for you to do yourself; don't do that, and do what you decide or decree you'll do instead.

Just like the bridesmaids that were foolish did.

• He decreed everybody over the whole earth to look unto him. You’re off looking unto anybody but him instead.

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SO, last thing to say is: Right now, we’re both the same. Both of us have been invited to his wedding.

• And he’s God.
  • You and I have been invited to just look unto him. Both the same invite. Everybody got the invite. All the same.
    • But not everybody looks unto him. And how you look unto him, is like the oil he provides for your lamp. By the Word of God. What he says is life.
• Says in Philippians 2:10–11 “That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
  • That he long suffers both you and me, and decided we both could be in a day he made. And in it, we could choose him, to seek him first, or be like the five other bridesmaids, before the wedding. Never went to the bridegroom. Did not know him. And you and I today, before the wedding, can do the same thing.
    • But on that day, when the call goes out, for everybody to stand before him, even the dead, he will call on both death and hell to give up their dead. They obey him (Revelation 20:11–15). Where both death and hell don’t obey either of us. We could go to a graveyard, and command, all the dead people to come out of their graves, and who holds them won’t listen or obey us. They obey him. Give up their dead. To stand before this same Jesus Christ, just stand before him dead.

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• Like everybody in the Parable all slept, even believers in Jesus go to a grave, but they never die, and it’s Jesus by the Word of God, the same God that raised Lazarus from the dead will raise all the believers in him, the same way. Raise them from the dead. So, it will be God do the same thing as God to everybody over the whole earth, that just looked unto him. They go in. But you got your question to do all that work.
  • Won't work.

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• Just like these others: Dead. In trespasses and sins, like the five foolish bridesmaids, sinned against the bridegroom. It's a Jewish wedding. And just like in the parable, He does not raise them from the dead.
• The books are opened. To show them everything he did for them, and they rejected all of it. Just like the bridesmaids, rejected all of the bridegroom, even his wedding is his own, rejected him, to champion out being a bridesmaid was more important, when it was the Bridegroom’s wedding. So, again, how does this apply to you with your question?

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• You got an invitation. To his wedding.
  • Asking about Christianity to verify Christianity is like asking somebody about a wedding, whether you’re going to go to a wedding or not, and so you find out everything, by asking people all these questions about a wedding, but you never to go the wedding yourself.
    • When you were invited.
• You just lowered it to you don’t know who invited you to the wedding, all by your actions, don't do anything he says - who invited you to HIS wedding - - when he’s a King of Kings. And Lord of Lords. Job 12:23 says of him, "he makes nations great and destroys them; he enlarges nations, and disperses them" Says of him, this King of Kings, this same Jesus Christ in Revelation 1:5 says "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth." Means he's in line to inherit to rule ALL OF THEM. And you disregard him and his invitation to you, and make up some, to you, plausible "excuse" that you're looking for the most "original" Christianity as something good. When he never asked you to do that. He asked you to look unto him.
  • You're doing anything BUT that.
• This same Prince of all the nations of the earth, has Invited you to his wedding. That’s really the question. What are you doing with YOUR wedding invitation?

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Answer that question. Consider your question answered with that question. Go home. Herein is the gospel. The Good News of Jesus Christ to everybody on Reddit. He's the author and finisher of your faith. No need to go off looking for or create some worthless expedition to send yourself off onto. When he's told you plainly to just look unto him. Like he told everybody over the whole earth, to do the same thing with him.

Answer:

What you’re asking for, can’t be done - because of what and how you’re asking. You want proof from people. How you ask, can be proven. Largely or in part. It all depends entirely on who you accept as true whose speaking. You accept you doing the speaking. And won’t let go, but only to whosoever it is, is in higher authority than you. Then, you will let go of all this you dismiss as beneath you; it’s faulty..unacceptable, so you can’t receive it. Won’t. Already rejected it…and..

But you don’t want that answer. That means it’s you at fault. That’s not a good answer, but it’s true.

There you go.

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Now, you’re going want some long, drawn out answer to explain this claim. Like in a cart, taken all over the farm to see it. When it’s really simple.

• Go talk to your neighbor, or your sister.
  • They both know you. What did you say to them? Rather, what did they say to you? Whatever it was you said, it was by the word you spoke. Out of your mouth to them. They know you. Have seen you. Know when you say something, you’ll do what you say, because you gave your word to them.

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• And, if it was your 10 years younger little sister, and she needs you to pick her up after school today, she actually walks in, looking unto or “abides” in you, as her brother, she can both ask this, and expect it - what she asked for, there you’ll be. y ou’ll pick her up at 4:30pm out front of the school. Just like all the other 290 times she asked for it. Got it the same way. * Just like your neighbor. Lives right next door. Tells you when they came home from work yesterday, they found your mother with dementia was sitting in the swing on their porch out in the backyard, right next to the pool. It’s true. She’s old. With dementia, and getting out again somehow. Got out of the house again somehow means she’s once again, a danger to herself. Both you and your neighbor constantly watch out for her. The only concern totally and fully, is your neighbor' said it, with the care of your aged mother. Nothing more is said.
  • In fact, all the neighbor’s yard, and house your neighbor owns - he’s telling you its her’s - it’s your aged mother he cares about, equally as you do is the point. You neighbor' speaks with the authority of a neighbor.
    • You got lucky, and you know it. Got a good one for a neighbor. Hides a multitude of sins. So, when the apples from his apple tree, every year, seems a great many to most, fall over the fence into your yard, you just clean them up. Never blame him, why he lets his apple tree apples fall into your yard, never comes to mind, nor hold any grudge.

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So, go in the Bible. Pick anywhere, anyplace where God is speaking. (Old Testament)

• How about this?
  • Says, “For all the earth is mine.” God. (Exodus 19:5). Says this, too. “All souls are mine.” - God. (Ezekiel 18:5). Also says, “Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.” - God. (Isaiah 45:22) It’s God. By the Word that proceeds out of his mouth. Didn’t spring forth out of the barn roof, nor out of some ant’s bottom.
    • And I didn’t say it, either. He did himself. To every all of us, all the same, on his earth. Says:
• “ Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;”

So, not to interrupt him, let’s recap.

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He said,

• To everybody. Over the whole, entire earth, to the very ends of it: 1. All the earth is his.
  • 2) **< - {**Everybody’s soul is his. It's a claim he makes, as God. But everybody sees themselves, is they belong, as a soul unto themselves. So now we’re getting somewhere with your question. So hold this as a # Keypoint.} - >
    • And he tells, everybody, when everybody, he formed alone; by himself, from their mother’s womb, because, like, for me, I’m his - so, let me make it personal so you see it.
    • If all the earth is his: Made it alone, by himself - as Psalm 132:13–16 says, he made it to dwell at a specific place on it, on this earth, that it would be inhabited (Isaiah 45:18).
    • Wouldn’t be alone anymore, forever. Made it for himself, for his own rest. For he desired it. So, in Genesis 1:1–31, he got up. And created it.
    • Then, he’s the authority over all of it. Even over all of us. Not one of us left out. And finally,
  • 3. Made himself, as God, “my redeemer.” Your's, too. He made himself, as God, everybody's redeemer. This definition: 1. to compensate for the faults and bad aspects of [Source: Oxford dictionary. Web.] Wouldn't be any fault; able to present you to himself faultless, because who is your "redeemer" is the same one presents himself in your behalf - when you got all these faults in you, and you see it as impossible.
    • Because it is. But, he's God. He does the impossible. With God, all things are possible - Jesus Christ. (Matthew 19:26).
    • So, it's Not me, to redeem me, which, that’s what I do, all to save myself. Try to not steal for a month from the Mall, "compensates for the faults and bad aspects of" I lied to my boss. Live in this, ever regarding me and my own work. Never look unto anything he did in my behalf. And people live like this. Do the same thing I did.
  • But the same God, when I stop, and just regard him or his work, out of all the uncountable leaves, like a leaf from a tree - - from all the sand of the sea number of different bushes and trees..just look at one leaf I pick out - and with a magnifying glass, to see all the detail. That, scientists today, which that’s really who you look unto. Got people and their word in it:
    • Scientists have taken an atom, and looked into it, as a world, and found particles; that, if you blew just one atom up into the size of our solar system, these particles in this "atomic" solar system sized atom, would be only 5 inches long.
  • And the person, God, who did this, all by themself - is the same one, with authority says he wants you to look unto him. The ONLY way to do that, isn't by you try to do it.
  • It's by God: "Sent his word to heal you, and deliver you from your destruction." Because, that's how he determined it, as God (Psalm 107:20) how he would do it. That you could know him, too. Because you can. It's absolutely true.

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But people: They treat him, GOD: With a great, big "But" in it:

But God, treat him like the neighbor 8 blocks away down the street, that's so far away - has already gone thru downtown, to the other side of it. That's not a neighbor anymore.

• Lives on the other side of town. You don’t know them, as a neighbor, is the point.
• Where God says, this too. About himself: “I am the LORD, there is none else. There is no God beside me, I girded thee, but thou hast not known me.” - God. (Isaiah 45:5).

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• Again, God said this himself. By the Word that proceeds out of his mouth. Look at all the things he’s said. With authority. And all “divinity” is, 1. the state of being divine, or Godly. Representing the nature of God. [Source: Oxford dictionary. Web.]

That's all you really wanted to know, in your question with "divinity" in it.

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• So God:
  • His word he speaks, that’s always been in him, because, Genesis 1:1–31, you can easily go read it. It follows a ever-repeating pattern, of 1) God spoke 2) It is 3) He saw it, so he has eyes to see; and 4) he looked back on it, said it was “good.” Repeats itself, each day, until the 6th day. Where at the end of that day, all of all the six days, all he made on each day, that all of it all together combined and operates together, he said it was “very good.” (Genesis 1:31).
    • A place he would dwell in. For his own rest. For he desired it, as God. For eternity after. Just that good.
• And all “divine” is, is something representing him, as God. Like his word he speaks. Been spoken here, quite a lot.

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And Jesus Christ. He's prominently in your question, too.

• Jesus, the Christ. Or Jesus the Messiah. Every Jew KNOWS what “that” is. Defined as 1. God. The same God that led Israel out of Egypt in Exodus of the Old Testament, by his mighty hand as God with Moses, would be a Son of David. Would sit on the throne of King David in Jerusalem, and rule the whole earth from there. Of his Kingdom and reign there shall be no end.
  • That’s the Jewish definition of “Messiah.”
• Jesus is called, “the Messiah” or “Jesus Christ” - so, he’d also be what’s in scripture. In Isaiah 9:6–7, that says who he, as the Messiah is: And who he shall be called. Not “maybe” or “there’s a slight possibility” - nope. SHALL be. Says about the Messiah:
  • “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.”

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CONCLUSION

• So, who is he?
  • Jesus.

And, whether I, or you or anybody over the whole earth, don’t do anything he says; don’t believe on him or “accept him as true” - don’t look unto him, as the authority, don’t even care to think he’s any authority or when he claims my soul as well as everybody's on earth, is his.

That, he's going to do as he said he's going to do, irregardless we do what he says or not. He will just take us into account against what he decreed we are to do. Whether we did it, or not. So, it's PUNITIVE for those that don't .

But he, as God, says he will reward those that do what he says. I didn't say that. He did, said: "And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be." Jesus Christ. (Revelation 21:14).

That means, he can destroy us, or because, he's God, build us up. And he does - I've experienced it. I have a testimony of it, It WORKS exactly as he says it does. It's God then. Already said, he’s not willing any perish, but all come to repentance. That’s EVERYBODY. Doesn’t even want to lose even one of us. Will leave the other 99 that look unto him, to go after the one that doesn't. He's going to open the books and show you he did this every day in your life, on that day, when he does this.

• And do it, as God - as who he is. Because all souls are his. He’s going to make for himself a place he will dwell forever. For his own rest. For he desires it for eternity. He's God. And about us, rather quite the opposite - - faulty. Romans 5:12 says:
  • “Wherefore, as by one man [ADAM] sin entered into the world, and death by sin**; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”**
    • And because of it, already, as God - decreed this in Genesis 6:11–13 about THIS earth, where all of it is his, said: “The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

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• Said it to Noah, some 100 years before the flood, it’s come up before him to do it, he just hasn’t done it yet. He’s God. He does what he says he will do, and Revelation 20:11–15, which that day hasn’t come yet; is the last day, and scripture says he does it. Jesus sits on his throne, and just looks on both this earth and heaven, and both finding no more place before him, scripture says both flee away, and are no more forever. Never come back forever. * Then in Revelation 21:1 - he makes a new heaven and new earth: Even says this plainly in Isaiah 65:17 - he, as God says:
• “For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth**: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”** - God. By the Word of God.

Now, go back to your question again.

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Can the divinity of Jesus be proven?

• When Jesus is the Word of God. So, everywhere above, where you saw God speak, by the word out of his mouth, that's Jesus Christ. The Word of God. Just as scripture says, of the Word of God in the Bible in John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
  • ..continues, down to John 1:14, that says: “…and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us” - is this same Jesus Christ.

In NONE of this, I didn’t say it - HE DID. He’s God. He declares to you himself, and decrees just how it shall be, by speak, as God, in command over all his creation. It’s his. And so are we.

• So, it’s really then, comes down to this. Down to the brass tacks of it.

For me, I am fully persuaded, by him, as God, all by the word he speaks. He is who he says he is. Many don't. I understand this, because, before - I didn't, either. But now, I just accept it as true (believe; that’s what “believe” means).

So, I operate by it, or live by it, what he says. I don’t have to force myself; it’s life. It’s like put a battery, that is a “load or source of power” in a clock. The clock doesn’t strive to hang itself back on the wall and let everybody know what time it is, all by itself - when it’s got no battery in it. Can’t tell time to anybody any time or all the time it can’t. It’s idle. 1. disconnected from a load or source of power.

• But a clock with a battery in it, just naturally tells time, all the time…works good. Operates according to how it was created..so whether people look unto it to find out what time it is, or not, it just operates right. Like anybody over the whole earth does the same, that just has the Word of God and abides in it.

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But people that don’t

• Are people that just take what the Word of God says
  • And dismiss it as “inadequate; faulty; or unacceptable” - doesn’t meet their “needs” - or already settled on it. There is no God. The “proof” is science. Because, all “science” is defined as in the dictionary - is people. Not one other thing in it, but PEOPLE like you and me.
    • Ever giving themselves completely over to 1. the systematic study of the nature and behavior of the physical and natural world. And by these observations, the more careful and concise it is done, and can be verified - “how” the nature and behavior of the physical and natural world operates - is accepted as true.
    • Because it’s been observed by people. That, by “The Word of People” - it’s what people decree is true. All based on what they observed, or the turn over the observation to be conducted by other people, that do a much better job as systematically study something we don’t have time to. So, we “accept as true” people, and what they say.
• As “proof” - all provided by the “Word of People” that hold the truth is in people and what they decree.
  • And because they do this, with the Word of People, they already have what they believe is “TRUTH.”
• So, they dismiss what God says..means they reject it. It's faulty - - doesn’t match what people have already decreed as true.

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So, go back to the top that starts this post on Reddit. To the answer that opens this post. You got a choice. You can: Believe; that is, accept the word of God as true. Because it is true. He sees it. And he works strongly in behalf of those that just look unto him, as he says he does. It's true. And also: Truth is a “who” not a what or philosophy people think they can find themselves, without any God in it. That's not truth; and who truth is, is the Word of God, and who the Word of God shall be called is “The Mighty God.” “The everlasting Father” - which meets the very definition of “divine.” And you keep hearing what he says, and look around him for some people to say it. Whose the clown then in all this? Yeah. You.

Clown yourself right out of the gospel. So, where's the fault then? It's still all your choice, because, when you reject the word comes out of God's mouth as faulty:

• You “accept as TRUE” people. And what they say. That's where you hold the truth is located, so you go to people for it.
• So, here’s your question back. It's unanswered. And people that don’t believe God, are faulty.
  • So: Like people. On the Titanic. Said by claims people made of the HMS Titanic: “It will never sink. Even God can’t sink it” - when people were told as passengers, that accepted this as true, and were onboard the Titanic - were told it is sinking, they went back to their staterooms, and went back to sleep.
    • So: THEY - all people: Held the truth is the Titanic isn’t faulty. And they died in it. Are you doing the same thing? Yeah. You are. It’s people. What they held the truth in was faulty.
  • SO again, here’s your question back. Answer is the same.

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Can the divinity of Jesus be proven?

What you’re asking for, can’t be done - because of what and how you’re asking. You want proof from people. How you ask, can be proven. Largely or in part. It all depends entirely on who you accept as true whose speaking. You accept you doing the speaking. And won’t let go, but only to whosoever it is, is in higher authority than you. Then, you will let go of all this you dismiss as beneath you; it’s faulty..unacceptable, so you can’t receive it. Won’t. Already rejected it…and..

But you don’t want that answer. That means it’s you at fault. To you, anything with fault in it, is anything BUT you - That’s the answer, because it’s true. And who is true, is decreed, to get you out of it, is you look unto him. Not you.

There you go.

Answer:

He didn't say "natural affection" in 2 Timothy 3:3 - he said "without natural affection."

Well, and with this then -

2 Timothy 3:3 says,

• But don’t just read it alone, by itself. Read it embedded in all that’s said. You will see that Paul is talking to a “specific” people. That becomes EVERYBODY that isn't following Jesus Christ, is following some "thing" they look unto that is "inordinate" or that has "perverted" that which is right. Their affection has been turned away from him, to put something else rightfully belonging to God - pervert it, no matter what it is and worship that in themselves and do that instead.

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• So, see 2 Timothy 3:3 embedded, right where it is firmly cemented in 2 Timothy 3:1 to 12.

That says:

1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

< - {3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,} - >

4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.

10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,

11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.

12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

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So, for a believer in Jesus

• That walks away from an old life of being, as Ephesians 2:1 says being “dead in trespasses and sins..” That even death is perverted. Not "natural" for life. That Jesus is life, and he gives eternal life, because of who he is, has no death in him. A believer in Jesus sees this plainly.
• Passed from death unto life; so or but are now “alive unto God” - as Romans 6:11 says, “Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
  • Therefore, a person that is “alive unto God through Jesus Christ” - expect it. “Perilous times SHALL come. Expect it. I guarantee you. To you, they [perilous times] WILL come. This “perilous” - 1. full of grave risks, hazard, tribulations; trouble
  • Because scripture says PLAINLY. Said right there at the end in 2 Timothy 3:12 - sums it up. “Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
    • persecution. 1. the systematic, cruel, and unfair treatment of individuals or groups, often resulting in physical or mental suffering, typically driven by prejudice - so it’s deliberately done, with intent, because who you now walk after, and look unto - this same Jesus Christ. You shall suffer Persecution.

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• And “who” does it come from? Yeah. From all the dead people. Dead in trespasses and sins
  • From the same people you once were like and came out from amongst, if you, reading this post are a follower and believe on Jesus Christ. It’s like, being dead at the funeral home. In the casket. Fit right in; but it's like Jesus came through there, and those that believe on him, he raises them from the dead.
    • They no longer “fit” in being dead. Even all the funeral home “rules” are Rule #1 - dead people are to stay in their casket and be dead
    • Can’t obey that rule anymore; can’t even remain in the casket. Nothing at the funeral home applies anymore, because it’s entirely operating on the premise of “dead people” so it cannot apply to you anymore.

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• So, the persecution come from people still “dead in trespasses and sins” - that Jesus said: in John 3:18–21
  • Which, Paul is basically repeating this same thing in 2 Timothy 3:1–12, says:
    • “18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
    • 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
    • 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
    • 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
• So, this “persecution” comes from those that hate Jesus Christ, as the is the "light of the world” because their deeds are evil, and they love the darkness rather than light. So, Jesus said, if they hated him, they will also hate you (John 15:28).

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Now, I know you didn’t ask any of this in your question.

• But me:
  • Answering your question, nothing in it tells me whether you follow him or not; and most people that follow him, already hear this simply. Because the life God gives is at work in them. It's Basic. Because they follow Jesus Christ and are taught by him.
    • But people that don’t follow him, also ask these questions.
• Same ones; but for a different reason.
  • To find something that is “inadequate, or faulty; or some “discrimination” - then report it as a "violation" - like, against LGBT today. To champion out, how they’re being discriminated against, by believers in Jesus. But just like me, I came out of being "without natural affection" - to believe on Jesus Christ.
• I didn't discriminate against me. I was simply "without" any natural affection - being caught up in all the sins I did, including homosexuality and a lot of other un natural affection things is the point.

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And the point is, with this question:

• I do not know which one of these you are, by your question. But I always assume, it’s a believer in Jesus Christ, like me, came out of darkness to the light - like I did, and that asks this question. So, I follow Jesus Christ. You are getting an answer to your question from a believer in Jesus Christ.
  • Not from some biblical egg head - does not even know him, then "man'splains" the Bible, when that's his Word, as God and they don't even know him. How phoney and fake is that? But many will be like them, and give you their own answer out of their own head - doesn't have any of God in it, either is the point.

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So, now we come to your actual question:

• This “natural affection” of 2 Timothy 3:3
  • It’s also explained, using the same words in Romans 1:26 to 1:32. Which part of it says “…did change the natural use into that which is against nature” - - But Romans 1:26 - - that, too, is embedded in scripture of Romans 1:16 to 32. And word for word of it, of 2 Timothy 3:3 is repeated here in Romans 1:31 - But all of it, Romans 1:16-32 - - That says: Also wrote by a believer in Jesus:

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

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It’s this same Greek [ἄστοργοι (astorgoi/astorogos): - Unloving, without natural affection. In both Romans 1:31 as it is in 2 Timothy 3:3

That ANY of these, not only homosexual, but ANYBODY “proud” or “inventors of evil things” "peeping Tom's" - staring in windows, or people enjoying watching other people do acts on Pornhub, are also “unloving, without natural affection” - because they all have departed from God, and have nothing to do with him.

Even adulterers and fornicators - are also included and listed in in it.

So, this “without natural affection” can even be a man would have for a woman, or woman for a man: to lust after it, is the same “unloving & without natural affection” - So, even Al Bundy, on “Married With Children” (1990s - USA/American SITCOM. Fox TV Network - championing out adultery and fornication; sexual immorality between a man and a woman - has the same death sentence as any homosexual does in Leviticus.

Makes EVERYBODY - GUILTY and dead in trespasses and sins without Jesus Christ at work in them is the point. If you're angry or in a rage - you are without natural affection. It's a cause from consuming something, and walking after it, disappointed it did not fulfill and lash out against why you're so empty - because the rightful owner of that place in you is God, and you put something else in his place. Without natural affection is the result.

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• Just repeating the above, in Romans 1:24–27 - It’s people that hold the “truth” in unrighteousness, no matter what it is, so they have departed from God, and love the darkness rather than light, because their deeds are evil. And God then, turns them over to their choice. No matter what the choice is, that isn’t him.
• This, too, is repeated as God decreed he’d do this, to “this people” that do this: That do not regard him, or his works, nor consider the operation of his hand, how he rules things - said In Isaiah 5 and 6
  • It’s to a people specific, that “don’t regard the works of the LORD, neither consider the operation of his hand” - Isaiah 5:12 And to the people that don’t do anything he says, because they don’t regard him, God decrees this, to “this people like this” the following in Isaiah 6:9–10
• “Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.” - God. (Isaiah 6:9–10)

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• So, God turns them over to their choice. They become blasphemers, proud, full of debate. Makes them “heart fat” - that it’s more than enough to satisfy them, because they do not choose him or do anything he decrees in his earth and heaven.
  • So, Romans 1:24–27 applies according to this decree God said himself. So it’s not Christians - it's the people that hate God. Choose not to do anything he says, then blame it on Christians who offend them - - just as 2 Timothy 3:1–2 also says the same thing: Because God does this to them:

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Again repeated. Romans 1:24-27 says

• “24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
• 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
  • They are without natural affection.

You got more than you asked for.

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The point of this is simple.

• Those “without natural affection” - are just included with all those other ones not following him, either:
  • Listed in 2 Timothy 3:2 to 5

“ lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,} Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.”

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They follow after, to walk in, looking unto these things are right. They are left empty; unfulfilled; but still champion it out. It's pleasure for a season, but the end result is death.

But a believer in Jesus: ANd if that's you -

• But you follow after, to walk in, looking unto Jesus Christ. The author and finisher of your faith. Like light with dark. Just remember, you - a believer in Jesus Christ. He is the light. That means, you’re not. You can dress up in the best boxing gloves, even bring a bat - and ask people to “throw you in the closet with the light switch off - and you think, it’s you “gonna beat the living crap out of the darkness”
  • And you’ll be in there for a week swinging..and the darkness will spit you out. All you gotta do with darkness is flip the light switch. The light dispels the dark and that’s Jesus Christ.

The light of the world, is Jesus Christ: and God chose him to be that - the Word of God.

So, just have and keep him. That's it. Without natural affection is the result of choosing anything..or anybody BUT him instead.

Hope this helped.

Answer

Jesus Christ: Wrote the whole thing. He's the Word of God. Is God.

- Source: Bible. New Testament. 2 Timothy 3:16 - about scripture or the Bible: “All scripture is given by inspiration of God.”

CASE CLOSED. Wrote the whole thing. And “why?” - Plain as day, in the Bible: John 20:31 “But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”

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But someone asking this question, or answering it - many that will answer it, don't even know him - sure then as well, aren't even seeking him; nope. Not at all. Already took a stance and do not believe on him at all, and are quick to tell people that, all by this question.

It's just God and him speaking the word out of his mouth. That scripture says in Psalm 107:20 - - That God: "sent his word to heal you, and deliver you from your destruction."

But the question? Nope. Another answer other than him? Well then - it's people wrote it.

And if It’s people. I mean just look at any Reddit room where atheist congregate or people that don't know Jesus and want nothing to do with him, churn out a conveyor belt of answers on Reddit here - For the Bible - They want a whole bunch of authors.

Why? All have to be people, so then, they can look unto people, and if it’s people - some people are nuts. They can then dismiss people - - and their beliefs, of a God they made up - - they don’t want to accept as true, just then, it's an imaginative opinion or story people made up - so anybody but Jesus Christ, as the Word of God, just God speaking the word out of his mouth - won't look unto him. Will just look at people - and themselves, as equal as another person to them.

I just don't believe it. What other people have wrote. Just: Reject other people without any consequence.

When God speaks, by the Word out of his mouth, is he decrees how things shall be. Already decreed that everybody over the whole earth is to live by every word proceeds out of his mouth. (Bible. Matthew 4:4 - said by the Word of God, Jesus Christ). It’s PUNITIVE. Says: “For all the earth is mine.” God. (Exodus 19:5).

Even about people, says this of EVERYBODY over the whole earth. Doesn’t leave even the poser of the question, nor all these responders, all of them all included - it’s PUNITIVE. Means they don’t do what he says, he will hold them and bring them into account.

Which people can’t do that. So, if people said it or wrote the Bible, they can believe it’s not PUNITIVE and nothing happen to them - and live in a bubble.

And Jesus says, “God is Spirit” - that means he can’t be observed in the physical and natural world, where people conduct all these “systematic studies of the nature and behavior of the physical and natural world” and out of it, make up their own “science” for doing that behavior is the definition, out of the dictionary of science.

….and Jesus is recorded as saying John 4:24 - God is Spirit - which he did say that, then, nobody not one person can observe God or “systematically study” him, like they can with the physical and natural world, that people live in. So, if people: conduct a very thorough and exacting systematic study, these people here on Reddit will believe other people, and take those observations people have made and believe the word of people - and simply dismiss God, and what he says. Think they found a way to attribute what God says, to people.

In this, anybody does that, greatly errs by it.

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• When it says of God: Daniel 4:35 - to GOD, about people:
  • “And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
• And to PEOPLE, about God
  • - they want something..anything to just dismiss him as inadequate; faulty, or make him unacceptable to themselves, so they believe their own word, or the claims other people make about the Bible - and Jesus, more than what God says about his own word, which he sent to heal you, and deliver you from your destruction.

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Because Jesus is the Word of God. As John 1:1 says “who” Jesus is. Is God.

Here’s your question back. Virtually ALL THE RESPONSES where people provide them in their own imagination - don't even know him - are worthless JUNK answers.

Answer:

What are you doing with him?

Same Jesus Christ as was with them. That’s really the question.

Anyone with this question doesn’t see it. Seeing, can’t see it. So, the long way around the farm answer is given. And to give it, is this.

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Well, two things:

- ONE: Who did Jesus say this to? So, “who” was this “they” he was praying for and about?

Answer that question. Since you can’t, since I’m making the post, I’ll answer it for you.

• Jesus prays John 17:16, and “where” he prays it, is while still in the Upper Room with his disciples, immediately following the Last Supper. Before they depart for the Garden of Gethsemane.
  • Prays it, as God, so he’s stating it. What he asks for to keep them. These, that are with him at the Last Supper have been with him, are with him. So, these that are with him are “disciples of Jesus Christ.”
    • Then, you got to answer a second question, so go to TWO.

- TWO: What is a ‘disciple’ of Jesus Christ?

Answer to that is in the definition of a ‘disciple.’ 1. a pupil that sits with and is taught by a teacher.

So, all a ‘disciple’ is, is one that is a student, being taught by a teacher. And then, you have to ask, with this Who is Jesus?

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• Jesus is the “Word of God.” So, he’s the Word that proceeds out of God’s mouth. Is God.
  • Just as John 1:1 says “who” Jesus is. Says: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” ..continues to John 1:14, says: “and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.” is this same Jesus Christ.
    • So, this "they" are just men, that sit with and are being taught by God. As disciples of Jesus Christ.

Now, add in the world.

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Have to ask more questions

• But all you really have to do is go back to Adam, in the garden to Genesis 3:17.

By compare “this” Adam to, now dead - in trespasses and sins, in Genesis 3, to the same Adam that, before this, says what Adam said in Genesis 2, just to see it plain as day.

• That, in all creation, days #1 to day #6 - everything God made, he looked back on at the end of each day, and said it was ‘good.’ Said it, as God, at what he created. But at the end of the 6th day, says what occurs on that day is "very good" (Genesis 1:31). * But in all this, there is ONLY ONE TIME, after, on or in the midst of this same 6th day, he looked on Adam, who he created.
• And said Genesis 2:20.
  • That says: “And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.”
    • And at this, God already said, because he “SAW” it, already said what he would do in Genesis 2:18 “And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.”
  • So, one thing in all creation is not good. Adam being alone, like God has been.
• So the whole reason he does Genesis 1:1 to 31 is to make for himself a place he would dwell forever. For his own rest. For he desired it (Psalm 132:13-16). That it would be "inhabited" (Isaiah 45:18). He wouldn't be alone, for eternity thereafter, in it. Just as scripture says. Gives you the "why" he did it, and on the 7th day, he enters into that rest.

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But Go back.

• Read the work God did in Genesis 2:21–24. To make what is "not good" into something beyond good into God say, it's "very good."
  • Pay careful attention to somebody (Adam) that’s been in a DEEP SLEEP, awakened, and carefully examine what Adam says.
• Now, before I list it, think: “How would someone in a deep sleep, know anything in themselves to say anything Adam says in Genesis 2:23–24?” 
  • When Adam is a fully grown man. Not even a day old yet. Still on the 6th day, and he can speak and knows language.
• Has never had a Father or Mother.
• Adam Is alone. Like God has been, like God - - before God is going to do a work to fix this, and put Adam in a deep sleep to do it. How after - - would Adam, not even a day old yet, know anything about a wife, or a man leaving a Mother and Father, which he's never experienced - “How would he know anything of these things in himself?”
• Go on. Ask it. * The key is, he has access, as a man, like Jesus' disciples have in John 17:16, to this same Word of God - - to the mind of God. They (God and Adam) have the same mind. * So, Adam lives and was created already to operate by the Word of God. Because, what Adam says in Genesis 2:23–24, Jesus repeats it exactly, as the Word of God, in Matthew 19:4–6 - when the Pharisees as Jesus about Moses and Writs of Divorce.

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• Matthew 19:4-6 Says
• “4 And he [Jesus] answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
• 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
• 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.”
  • And what Adam said in Genesis 2:23–24 was: “And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.”

Same mind. God's.

Say the same thing.

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But Adam, in Genesis 3:17? Different Adam and different word, from now on Adam lives by dead:

• Is dead. He’s sinned. And, by sin is death. So, the sin is, he “hearkened unto the voice of his wife” - which, Adam was decreed to live by the word of God - living by or after Genesis 3:17 operates by a different word. And he chose it. That is, he 1. picked out as the most appropriate or what best suited him as a profit - that is, to make him better. Was to live by every Word proceeded out of, when there was only God on one side, his wife on the other - live by her word vs. God's is the point.
  • And that’s what the sin is, God said. Go read Genesis 3:17. I didn't say it, God did.
    • And in “hearken” that means, Adam took what Eve said, is just to "accept it as true," means Adam "believed" it over what God says - - So what God said or decreed to him, did not apply to Adam anymore.
  • As if it had no effect on him.
• He’d be like God. Wouldn’t have to do anything anymore what God said.
  • Afterall, what the serpent told Eve, made and she and Adam, in Genesis 5:2 says, that, in the day they were both created, God called them BOTH “Adam.”
• That, if a serpent - but it’s all a deception, can’t distinguish Eve from a beast, because, all the questions he asks her, the serpent, takes the only creation God made, so there is none like her in all creation, and lowers her station. By feign he cannot recognize she is the other part of Adam. So, the serpent treats her, as if she is doing things wrong, or sinning, not eating what the beasts and fowl and all things in flesh created, were decreed vs. Adam, what Adam is to eat is separate in Genesis 1:29–30.

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• The woman is in this dialogue with the serpent in Genesis 3:1 to Genesis 3:17 - is first: By the word of this Serpent: her station, as Adam - is lowered. Then, because if a serpent can’t recognize her, as Adam - the serpent, by a deception, makes this woman dis-satisfied in her station as part of Adam.
  • - So, to the woman - it's to deceive her to think: if a serpent can’t recognize who she is, none of all the sand of the sea other species of the beasts will not recognize or know who she is, either.
• But it’s a lie.
  • And part of the lie or deception is a "good" way to correct this "not good" problem. That she can do something good.
    • All she has to do is she leave her station and occupy a higher station. One that God is in.
  • So, to do good = fix what is “inadequate; faulty; or unacceptable” that God created; but again, she is a work of God, made good.
• It’s a lie, to say this work God did has fault in it.

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• But she, now believes or "accepts as true" what the serpent’s word says over God, and Adam after, he hearkens unto the voice of his wife, all for the same reason.
• In the end, Adam is dead.
  • He died that day. Just as God said he would. He no longer has the mind of God. All he has to operate by is what he "thinks" and reasons together with his own imagination. He's alone. It's not good.

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And in Adam’s reply to God - about the woman and why he did it, Adam blames God. Go on. Go read Genesis 3:1 to 3:17 - blames God, for what God did, as if what God created for Adam was “inadequate; faulty; unacceptable” - when Adam is the one did the sin. He can't see it. He thinks he did right.

It’s the FIRST “divorce” - because what Adam says immediately after Genesis 3:17, is about the woman is she is defective as a part or one with him. Do you see it? Go look.

That, immediately after this, Adam calls his wife and names her Eve as separate from him.

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Decrees she is the “mother of all living” - but God says, in Isaiah 44:24 - by God says it himself - - he’s the one forms everybody from their mother’s womb. Not Eve. And God still calls them both, "Adam." So, it's Adam is grossly mistaken. Right from the get go after.

So, he no longer lives by every word proceeds out of God’s mouth, or the word of God.

• He lives by his own imagination. And Genesis 6:5 says of this now, in response to this now “dead Adam”
• “…And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.”

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So, the “world” Adam lives in, after he sinned - isn't the "world" or earth God created. Adam lives in a world he creates by himself. With his own imagination by the thoughts of his heart.

By What he “thinks” is true. So, he’s taught by his own heart. That's EVERYBODY then, over the whole earth doing this - - From Adam: And it passes on to Cain, his son. Passes on to everybody after him.

Romans 5:12 says this plainly:

• “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”

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• Then it’s God then. By a work he did alone. As God. Says in Psalms 107:20 that God: “He sent his Word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions”
• And that work of God is Jesus Christ, and for you to believe on him.
  • So, Jesus’ as the Word of God, in John 17:16 - - his disciples are men, that have been taught by the Word of God.
  • Who is WITH them, is God.
    • So, they are not men that live any longer alone. By themselves with their own imagination by the thoughts of their hearts - but they still have it - but who is with them and writes his word on their hearts is Jesus Christ.
• And you have the same Jesus Christ, they, the disciples who were taught by him have. Because they never die and are with him. Where ever he is, they are simply with him, like they are today, like they were back then in John 17:16, and he prayed for them.

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And of this same Jesus Christ. The Son of God - is the Word of God:

Isaiah 9:6–7 says this same Son of God, was put in every family on earth. So, he was given to you. By God. That Everybody over the whole got him. Put in their Family. But you can either bless him, or curse him, by Genesis 12:3 - by a decree God made - and this or by curse him, cast him out. Not do anything he says. And by that, not be a disciple. Not sit with your own son, who God gave you, so you have the same Son that God has with you - and he put in your family as your son. He’s right there.

You can either bless him, or curse him. In blessing God would bless you, and in cursing, God would also curse you. Same one made all that out your window, would be standing against you to destroy you - because you don't regard him or any work he's done, as God, toward you.

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That’s really the question. He is a Son that is God’s son. Is also your son. Given to you by God.

What are you doing with him?

That’s really the question.

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What could Jesus mean when he said, "they are not of the world even as I am not of the world?"

What are you doing with him? This same Jesus Christ? He’s not of the world, of Adam and his own imagination - departed from God. And you, just like Adam - and me, too. Did the same thing, by an imagination of your own making, by people, imagine up things, by hearken unto their own hearts.

Jeremiah 17:9 says of your heart, is the same as mine. Is the same then, as Adam’s - hearkened unto it, more than God - is to live in a world of your own imagination. Following your heart vs. the word of God. Who is true? That’s the question. When Jeremiah 17:9 says: **“**The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Be deceived by it.

That’s really the question. God does. He knows your heart, and he was sent to write on it, and scripture says "Behold, I stand at the door and knock, and if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and sup with him, and he with me." - Jesus Christ. The Word of God. (Bible. Revelation 3:20.

When you, with this question, don’t seem to know it. He's right there still..at the door of your heart. Knocking.

Here in is the gospel. The good news of Jesus Christ for EVERYBODY all over Reddit. No matter how far this post goes, or how little, doesn't matter. If it comes you to, hearken unto him vs. live in a world of the imaginations your own heart makes up.

Your question is more than answered. Because you got given him as the answer in all the answer to it.

ANSWER:

• It’s really in just one word in this question (English)
  • tempt
    • And it's in two “key” things:

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First “key” is:

English: the modern day definition of “tempt” meet how you use it, in your question or statement/sentence above.

It’s exactly how you use it, found in virtually every English dictionary matches the “Late Middle English” (1150 to 1500 AD)- that, they later then, have added into this definition to this earlier word, and by end of these medieval times, come the "Early Modern Period" (1500 to 1750AD) - and how they, in the 1500s to 1750 - which stretches now up to modern times, how we use it to day to employ the use of "tempt," which is:

1. *to entice someone into sin. And all “entice” is, is to make someone want to (do or lust after <*something>*)*

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Pick any.

• Merriam & Webster over with the Americans, or, how about Cambridge with the English in the UK:

Cambridge says:<accessed online 3 May 2026. Web.> tempt 1. to make someone want to have or do something, especially something that is unnecessary or wrong:

• But, that’s not what the “original” meaning of this medieval English word “tempt” is or means. So, the meaning, from 4th CE/AD Latin Vulgate of "Temptare" - which was translated by Jerome from the Greek - the meaning of this word, has changed from, like people reading the King James Version (KJV). How they used it prior to medieval times vs. when the gospel was wrote in Greek to today is different.
• But newer or more updated English translations of the Bible, just take the English word, and use the Modern day to explain it; but that's not what the original English word means.
• It means:
  • It’s to “prove” something. Which that's what it means in Latin, and that's what it means in Greek.
• Like, if you use “prove” correctly, here is a quick, whacky off the cuff example:

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Just like what I'm doing with your question - but make it really whacky.

• Let's say: it’s you take some guy. He lives in California, USA. In a small town - he bakes a car tire on a barbeque. I told you. Whacky. Clams it’s a "croissant" from France.
  • What melts: He Bottles it. After - He’s on the street, trying to “sell” it as a evening bubble bath body detergent.
  • NOW: People witnessing this, hear all the claims this guy proclaims or shouts/makes, and aren’t sure. But they have nothing to compare it with. Never heard "croissant" as a word before, so some: they just accept this. Buy it, and use it as a “croissant.”
• But other people:
  • They want a “temptare” or prove it. So, they order a <Croissant> from France.
• And all a “croissant” is - defined in France is:
  • croissant: a “crescent-shaped, buttery, flaky, and airy breakfast pastry.” And people in America, that have actually tasted and ate one, don’t need any “temptare” or “proving” of it. They KNOW what a “croissant” is.
    • But don’t leave out the point. The “KEY” point is, as this "FIRST" KEYPOINT for this is - - you have two things claiming the same thing. Did you see this in the gospels?

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Keep with this "whacky" - temptare or prove something analogy:

So, you have the “Word of this guy in California, USA” vs. the “Word of France” - what is the "true" croissant?

• So, you put BOTH these quote “croissants” on a table side by side.
  • They BOTH:
    • Lay claim to something. The same thing.
  • In the process of “proving” or "temptare" the croissant, you find the guy baking a car tire on a barbeque and calling it a croissant is a frivolous, worthless claim.
    • And in being found out, he flees the scene.
• He’ll be back later, making up some other thing. He’s just a liar, and the truth isn’t in him. So:
  • One of these is found by proving: is UNTRUE. The Other: Found to be TRUE. So - - The “truth” is the “arrived from France “croissant” that is a “crescent-shaped, buttery, flaky, and very edible airy breakfast pastry.”
    • vs. the other is “a car tire goes on cars, that some idiot took all the drippy black tar, bottled it, and claimed it was a "croissant" as some bath soap body detergent, actually destroys people - - and the car tire: it’s all worn out” - was thrown away, no longer used by any car as a car tire - - and nobody cooks cartires.
  • So - - the whole thing is exposed as a lie. So by "temptare" or “proving” side by side, one of them - - vs. - - the other: the whole thing from a guy in California, USA is just a great, big lie.
• And the way to find this, is not in modern day English anymore with tempt.

But the dictionary STILL DOES INCLUDE this definition in the use of it - but that's not how you use it. That's the First KEY POINT.

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So YOU:

Have to go back to the “original” Greek. Which is this “SECOND” Key point:

• This instance of “Jesus tempted” in the Bible, is found in the first three Gospels:
  • “tempted of the devil” with Jesus is found in Matthew 4:1–11; Mark 1:12–13, and Luke 4:1–13.
  • It’s the same root Greek word in in all three. And the MOST IMPORTANT part of this SECOND Keypoint is THIS:
    • it is GOD leading this to be done. He's demanding the proving - If you don’t keep that in, you miss the whole thing.

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Matthew 4:1 says:

• “Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.”
  • But it’s also in this Greek <ὑπὸ (hupo) is a Greek meaning "under," "beneath," or "by" or “along side with”
    • Like the “croissant from France” above was “tempted by the croissant from California, USA”
• And in this: - there is no tempting or this allure a croissant from France to entice it to be a car tire on a barbeque - and sold as some body detergent, sold in a bottle - that destroys people - - it’s abysmally awful. Phoney. Like me "tempt" you with ebola. Oh sure. That'll work.
  • What it actually means is someone in authority put the croissant from France and “placed to be proven or set along side with, side by side with the croissant from California.”
    • Don’t miss this.

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• And this “tempted” or original etymology of “tempt” is this below Greek word, carried over into Latin accurately with "temptare" - all to prove it or to subject it to a test alongside with the other, that isn't what it says it is, but which is the right one is the point. * In Matthew 4:1 it’s this Greek word: <πειρασθῆναι perastheinai> And again DO NOT LEAVE THIS OUT - it’s GOD doing the proving of his own word. The Word of God. Who speaks it? God or this other on in Matthew 4:1-11? * So, in this “proving” ask yourself. “Whose Word is it?”
• That's really the question.

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• Both Satan, and Jesus Christ - USE. THE. WORD. OF. GOD. in what you ask about.
• But only one of these actually IS the Word of God. * And prove - that’s exactly what occurred in Matthew 4:1 to 4:11.
  • In Matthew 4:1, Mark 1:13
    • And Mark 1:13 uses <πειραζόμενος perezomenos> that what is said in Mark 1:13 goes on for 40 days, and it’s this same Greek <ὑπὸ (hupo) (set on the table with, and proven alongside with Satan).
    • Mark 1:13 says: “And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.
  • and finally Luke 4:1–13, but with Luke’s Gospel have to read it in both Luke 4:1–2. Says:
• “And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.”

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• So, both Mark & Luke let you know, the proving goes on for 40 days, and it’s God leading the proving - not you, or any man - man, don’t leave this part out.
  • And don’t leave out that scripture says of angels.
    • Hebrews 1:14 says of angels: “sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation." That’s their station.
  • But Satan: Has left his station as a ministering spirit.
• Says, of Satan or Lucifer - in Isaiah 14:13–14 “ For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
• So, everything Satan does is NOT as a ministering Spirit - doesn’t minister at all, he’s looking to be worshipped as God.

So, you have Satan, speaking as God "temptare" along side with God, by the Word of God, Jesus Christ.

Tell me plainly. Which one in you is right?

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He's like the guy with the cartire - claims it's a "croissant" - all by a claim he makes himself. He's a liar, because he isn't him. Therefore:

• When he is not God - - And to be like the Most High, he uses the Word of God, but he’s not God. Everything he says or uses it as, is false.
  • And at no time, after 40 days, if Jesus does not eat, you can do the research. When this “hunger pangs” return, if the human body does not it, it dies.” - and at that exact time, at the end of the 40 days, instead of ministering to Jesus Christ, who is the Word of God, Satan uses the Word that comes out of God’s mouth falsely. To glorify himself vs. be what he was created to be.

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Matthew 4:1-11

He was PROVEN false, he flees from the REAL Word of God, Jesus Christ - Because he doesn’t have any of the Word of God in him, just like this guy from California, cooking cartires on a barbeque, doesn’t have any “croissant” in him, either.

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And in this "temptare" of Latin, or in this Greek: proving

• Which is done by God:
  • Three times: an angel, who is a ministering Spirit, created to minister to the heirs of Salvation, and Jesus name means, “God is Salvation”
    • He never Ministers to the Word of God, Jesus Christ. Claims something else is true, all to destroy Jesus Christ - - The Word of God: That’s who Jesus is, just as John 1:1 says “who” Jesus is. He’s the Word of God. Is God. Just as Isaiah 9:6–7 says “who” the Messiah or Christ SHALL be called. "The mighty God. The Everlasting Father" - because who was in Jesus Christ, is God. Just as 2 Corinthians 5:19 says.
• So: In you then. And this is the important part. Whose God in Matthew 1:1–14, Mark 1:12–13, and Luke 4:1–13?
• Has he been “tempted” or proven in you by he was, by God, set along side with, side by side with Satan. Which one, to you, is God?

Go read it again. All of it, in all three accounts.

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• Jesus said, by this proving listed - Jesus - - straightway, that’s the FIRST thing God is proving. Just “who” of these two speak the Word of God.

 

Then:

• Who in you is it, betwixt these two is true. Speaks the truth. Is truth?

That’s the point of the temptare or proving. But the main point is, you see it.

Satan was alone with his creator, and given three chances - he could have simply been with his creator - and - what would have happened if repented, and ministered to God - cast all he's done, all aside; and in all three times, alone with God, who created him. He didn’t do it.

And by this, Jesus said in John 16:7–11

“7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.”

So, go back to the beginning again.

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If Jesus had no sin nature, how was he tempted?

• It’s really in just one word in this question (English)
  • tempt
    • And it's in two “key” things:

There you go. And for me: Which one, in the "tempting" or temptare or proving - by just put on the table, set side by side, which did you choose was the “croissant?”

That’s really the question. Hopefully, it's a hands down solution help you just believe on Jesus Christ, the whole reason for this post and to answer your question. Herein is the gospel. The good news of Jesus Christ to everybody on Reddit.

Answer:

Well, this, what you claim, is an opinion or “belief.”

• - something you alone accept as true. Because you believe it. It’s a claim you make.

Then poop glue form it, into something resembles a question.

• Then fart on it, and by this work you added to it, to you, it's now some truth as if everybody should accept it.
  • Based on all this effort you’ve done, believe your opinion is true.

It isn't.

So, here’s your question back. No need read any further. The rest is for your readers here on Reddit. You already settled on your question. Not worth the time of day to spend on you. You hold the truth is your question.

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So, for you that have stumbled upon or across this question - which, isn’t really that, it’s a STATEMENT about Christians. Misplaced.

• And to see it, read on, so you can. Even you that have come that believe on Jesus Christ can see it plain as day, because you know him.

So, with that:

The first turd in this pile, examine it: This,

What makes you think that you, a Christian, have any right or place to make comments about another culture’s religion

part:

The answer is in “Christian.”

All a “Christian” is, is defined as 1. a disciple of Jesus Christ.

And all a “disciple” is, is a “pupil or student being taught by a teacher”

So, the teacher isn't the pupil. The teacher is Jesus Christ. So, all a Christian is, is a student that sits with and is being taught by Jesus Christ.

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Now, yes. There are people in this, and you that believe on Jesus, already most likely know this; that, there are people that call themselves “Christians” but don't do anything he says. Like, what Jesus says in Luke 6:46 “And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?”

• So, somebody call themselves “Christian” and other people look at them, and that person isn’t sitting with Jesus, nor even knows him, because, he doesn’t do anything Jesus says.

Just like the person that formed this question isn’t doing anything Jesus says, either. They’re both the same.

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It’s Jesus Christ.

• He’s the Word of God. Is God. Just as what scripture says who he is, in John 1:1 - it's what Jesus said, “They shall all be taught of God” - John 6:45, means it’s God himself, that reserves an EXCLUSIVE right to teach you himself. Because, that’s what he does.
  • And he says, not Christians, says: Deuteronomy 6:4 “Hear O Israel, the Lord your God is just one Lord.” Says as well himself in Isaiah 45:5 “I am the LORD, there is none else; there is no God beside me, I girded thee, but thou hast not known me.”
• Says: As God:
  • “And I will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters,” saith the Lord Almighty.” (Bible. 2 Corinthians 6:18).
  • Says as well, because 2 Corinthians 6:18 is just God speaking, by the word that proceeds out of his mouth. That’s the Word of God, is Jesus Christ. So, he’s just God speaking. Made himself your Messiah. The Christ.

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• So, when he says, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me” - Jesus Christ. (Bible. John 14:6).
  • Then, it's just God himself saying is NOBODY can come unto him, as God, but by the Word that he speaks. Trying to climb up some other way, doesn't work, because, it doesn't. Not because some Christian said it.
• He did. As God. He said it.
• So, the poser of this question, rejects God, and what he says, then blames what he's done himself on Christians. It's their fault.

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So again:

It’s God saying this. Not Christians.

Look what this useless pile of clown has done. He’s clowned himself right clean out of his own salvation. Just looking unto himself. To create these worthless, useless questions to look unto. When this one is torn up or blown apart, he'll just go make another one. Useless, worthless effort, when God has already told him, like he's told everybody over the whole earth the same thing to "Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else." - God. Bible. Isaiah 45:22.

No Christian said it. God said this himself.

SO again:

• When it’s God that says these things.

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And I’m just like this person. Yes. TRUE>

Just like this person - - that: Made this question up. Not one bit different. Why? Because I made up, in my own imagination, just like this person is doing, had a whole suitcase full of questions like it - didn't believe there was any God - - by when I just sat with myself, and reasoned alone, with myself that when the Hindus, by their religion claim by the Vedas: “There are 330,000,000 Gods, plus 33” - so maybe there isn't any God, or there's so many, it's beyond count, and they just ignore me.

So, I went searching thru all these religions. Shamanist, Buddhism (Bukkyou), Confucian, Tibetan/Mongol Buddhism - just kept searching, and thought if I just repect these religions, that will make me good. Accepted by people in another culture, I'd be worshipping the same Gods those people were worshipping and would be accepted then, as good.

I believed it, or I wouldn't have done it, and I didn't respect Christians, either - for the same reason the question says.

Not one, bit different.

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But it's not about me, or what the poster of the question decrees. Nope.

• When God says, he’s just one God. There is no God beside him.
• Then: - Either the Hindus or God is lying.
  • And scripture says: “Yeah, let God be true, and every man a liar” - and all Hindus are, are just people want to worship God, somehow trying to imagine up some god, and do something acceptable, and make up millions of Gods - big variety to help you.
• When it’s people.

Adam forward that departed from God - no longer do anything he says; just live by their own imagination, and by that, imagine up their own Gods.

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Any believer in Jesus can see this in Noah.

• After the flood in Genesis 9:1
  • What God told Noah, and his 3 sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth - that, before God opened the door of the ark, what he wanted them to “Go to, and do” - was to spread out, replenish all the earth” and he blessed them, as God.
    • You find by Genesis 9:24–27, which at the time of the flood, Noah’s 3 sons have no children. So, this “incident” since what Noah says in blessing his 3 sons, is he’s NOT spreading out, if he built a vineyard. Takes at least 10 years for a vineyard to produce, and must be in one place, enough to get drunk on the grapes.
    • The point is, that Noah blessed his three sons, but does not even mention Ham. It’s as if he does not exist. And, in the blessing, so it is some time well after the flood because Noah curses Ham’s youngest son, and by not mentioning Ham at all makes all four of his sons bastards - and curses Canaan, three times to be a servant to Shem and Japheth. So, Canaan’s other three brothers, Cush, Mizraim, and Phut - along with Ham, they all depart from the LORD.

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• It’s clear by what occurs in Genesis 11:1–12. By what’s said. Forgive the math, but I roughly calculate it is some 125 years after the flood; in the days, when Noah’s 3 sons have had their children, and their children now have children, all grown up. That by Genesis 11:1, NONE OF THEM ARE DOING ANYTHING GOD TOLD THEM TO “GO TO AND DO” in Genesis 9:1.
  • What they “go to and do” is to all stay together, lest, just like what they say in Genesis 11:1-5, that “God forbid, they be scattered over the whole face of the earth. So, they stop. To build a city. It’s this Babel or “Babylon” - means confusion. Because the’re not doing anything God says, that God comes down and “confounds” language.

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• Where the whole earth - everything, like in that movie, “Narnia” was just one language.
  • After they did this, and scripture says Cush’s youngest son, Nimrod (Genesis 10:10) built Babylon.
  • So, Ham’s children have risen to be Lord or rulers over everyone. So, what Ham does in Genesis 9, to Noah - is Ham does it to upsurp this authority over Noah.
• The point is, you can take Mizraim:
  • The 2nd son of Ham. In Arabic, is “Muzir” - in English, is Egypt.
• That Mizraim, after God comes down and confounds language - and they all spread out, Mizraim builds Egypt. Don’t even know the LORD, and the Egyptians make over themselves a a man, a Pharaoh, and make up rites and rituals, that this Pharaoh will perform, and worship Pharoah as Egypt’s God.

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• That Canaan, the 4th son or youngest of Ham, his eldest son, Sidon - does the same thing.
  • Makes up the bull God - the upper head of a bull with the body of a man, where they offer their children up as sacrifices to this God, Ba’al.
    • While Mizraim’s youngest son, Casluhim, from his prodigy, come the Philistines, that make up the half man, half body of a fish God, that the Greeks will later adopt and so will the Romans, and call him “Poseidon” - but the Philistines, a 1000 years before the Greeks, and the ones that made him up, will call him “Dagon.”
  • All said to stress that, it’s man. Not Christians. It's people that Departed from God.
    • After departing from him, after the flood, don’t do anything he says, and don’t know him.
    • ANd in their own imaginations, make up their own gods.
  • Their own religions. They all origin in one source. Ham. After the flood. Even the Hindu gods are mentioned.

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So me?

• I got a choice. I can believe this clown with his question. Many will, because, they already came to the same conclusion. Reasoned alone with themselves, when God tells everybody to "Come now, let us reason together," saith the LORD, "though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be white as snow. Though they be red as crimson, they shall be as wool." - God. (Bible. Isaiah 1:18) - It's just people, already reasoned alone with themselves, so they don't do it. Won't do anything he says. Don't accept anything he says as true.
  • They have their own word in themselves and their imagination they look unto.
  • And I did, too.
• Why? Because I didn’t regard anything God said.

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• But when I just regarded the works of the LORD, and considered the operation of his hand, I could see it was just people that like me, departed from him. Just like the Bible says.
  • Just like me, wasn’t doing anything he said.
• Then, like me, believe people are good.
  • Because they follow some religion. Doesn’t matter which one it is, they’e all following some religion that, that work or worship of that god makes them good.
• Like
• WHen the scriptures told me “There is not a just man on earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not” - Bible. Ecclesiastes 7:20

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• So, all they’re trying to do is imagine up some rite or ritual to please God by their own imagination; then, claim their God, like the Egyptians did, claim Pharaoh, performing these rites and rituals they made up, is what caused the Nile river each year to overflow it’s banks and fertilize their fields.
• When with Moses in Exodus… the REAL God showed up in Egypt. While the Egyptians are worshipping a man as God, and Pharaoh, because they did it to his Fathers before him, believes he is God. When he's not.

What a fool this makes out of the poser of this question. Just like what happens to Pharaoh, when the real God showed up.

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• Says in Exodus 5:2 and I close with this:

Pharaoh said to Moses: “And Pharaoh said, Who is the Lord, that I should obey his voice to let Israel go? I know not the Lord, neither will I let Israel go.”

Just like the poster of this question says the same thing, doesn't know God, nor do anything he says - then blames it on Christians.

Just like Pharaoh blamed it all on Moses, when the REAL God showed up.

Guess what? It's not going to be one bit different for this poser of the question.

The REAL God already said it. It's not Christians said it. He did. Said he's going to show up, says in Revelation 1:7-8

“Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.”

This is the ONLY thing I'd leave to the poser of this question, like with Pharaoh, saying the same thing - when the real God showed up.

So much for this worthless, useless question.

More than enough said.