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If your non-incisional double eyelid crease loosens, should you redo it or switch to incision?

If your non-incisional double eyelid crease loosens, should you redo it or switch to incision?

Non-incisional double eyelid surgery, also called the buried-suture method, creates a crease without cutting the eyelid skin. But in some cases, the crease can loosen over time, become faint, or disappear on one side.

When that happens, the first question is usually:
Can I just redo the same method?

Sometimes redoing the sutures makes sense, but sometimes it just repeats the same problem. If the eyelid wasn’t a good match for the non-incisional method in the first place, the crease may loosen again a few months later.

Case reference: a soft, defined buried-suture crease

This image is not a released-suture revision case, but it shows the kind of soft, defined crease patients often want from the buried-suture method. When a non-incisional crease loosens, the goal is not just to make the line visible again. The real question is whether the eyelid tissue can still hold this type of natural-looking fold with sutures alone, or whether incision would give a more stable result.

1. Why sutures release in the first place

The buried-suture method creates a crease without cutting the skin or removing tissue. Sutures hold the fold in place, and over time, the skin and deeper tissue are supposed to form enough adhesion to keep that crease stable.

When the line loosens, the reason can vary. Sometimes the adhesion never formed strongly enough. Sometimes the eyelid tissue was not a great match for the method in the first place. Sometimes the eyelid was repeatedly rubbed, pulled, or irritated during recovery. And sometimes the crease was placed in a position that created more tension than the sutures could hold long-term.

The important thing is that “my crease came undone” does not explain why it happened. A crease that disappears after a few months is very different from a crease that held for years and then gradually became faint. That difference is exactly why the next step is not always the same, even if both situations get described as “the sutures came loose.”

When redoing non-incisional makes sense

If the crease held well for several years before loosening, that's actually a relatively good sign. It suggests the tissue wasn't fundamentally incompatible with the method, the adhesion just weakened over time.

If the eyelid skin is still thin and elastic, if there's no significant scar tissue from the first procedure, and if the release was gradual rather than early, redoing with sutures at a slightly adjusted placement can be a reasonable path.

In this kind of case, the first surgery may not have “failed” because the method was wrong. It may simply have weakened over time, which is a different situation from an early release.

When switching to incision is usually the better call

If the crease released within months rather than years, that's a signal the tissue may not hold sutures reliably, and doing the same thing again carries a real risk of the same outcome.

The same logic applies if there's visible or palpable scar tissue from the first procedure, because scar tissue changes how the eyelid folds and how sutures hold.

If the eyelid has thickened, if there's excess skin folding over the crease, or if this would be the second or third time redoing non-incisional on the same eyelid, incision is almost always the more stable option.

It allows the surgeon to directly address whatever caused the original failure, including managing scar tissue at the same time.

Why this decision feels harder than expected

Most people who chose non-incisional originally did so because they wanted to avoid a permanent cut. Being told they may now need incision feels like losing twice, once because the result didn't hold, and again because the option they preferred is no longer the right one.

That reaction is completely valid.

But a redo with incision isn't just a fallback. Because the surgeon can directly see and address what caused the failure the first time, the result is often more stable than the original procedure ever was.

The scar from incisional surgery on a previously operated eyelid also tends to be less of a concern than people expect, since there's usually already some degree of skin change from the first round.

The question worth asking directly in a consultation is:

“Given why my crease released, what's the actual likelihood of it releasing again if we redo non-incisional versus switching to incision?”

If the surgeon can answer that specifically based on examining your eyelid, rather than giving a general answer, that's usually a sign the plan is being built around your situation.

Has anyone been through this decision? Whether you redid non-incisional or switched to incision, curious how the reasoning got explained to you.

u/EyehoPS — 2 days ago

Your selfie camera is lying to you, and it might be why your consultation goes sideways

This doesn't get talked about enough in pre-surgery research, and it causes a very specific kind of frustration that comes up in consultations more than people might expect.
Someone comes in with a clear concern. Their eyes look uneven, one lid looks lower, they look tired all the time. They have photos. The surgeon looks at them in person and sees something noticeably different from what the photos are showing. That gap is not imagined, and it's not the surgeon dismissing the concern. It's largely a camera problem.

How the selfie camera changes what you see

Most smartphone front cameras are wide-angle lenses positioned closer to your face than a human eye would naturally be in conversation. This creates distortion, especially toward the center of the frame, which is usually exactly where your eyes are. In practical terms:

• The nose appears wider and more projected than it actually is
• Asymmetry between the eyes gets slightly amplified because even small positional differences get exaggerated by the lens
• Eyelid heaviness reads more pronounced in a slightly downward-facing selfie because you're looking down toward the lens
• Skin texture and shadow compress differently depending on screen brightness and angle

None of these effects are dramatic on their own, but when someone is already sensitized to a feature they dislike, the front camera consistently shows them the worst version of it. After months of looking at that version, it becomes the reference point they bring into a consultation.

Why photos and in-person assessment can feel different

The surgeon is looking at the patient's real face and working from what they see in person. The patient is pointing to a photo and describing what they see there. If those two starting points don't get reconciled early in the conversation, both people end up frustrated, the patient feels like their concern wasn't taken seriously, and the surgeon feels like the patient had expectations that don't match reality. Both reactions are completely understandable. The problem was the gap, not the people.

How to take better reference photos before consultation

• Take photos in natural light, from straight ahead, at arm's length or more.
• Use the rear camera when possible, even if that means propping your phone up and using a timer instead of taking a regular selfie.
• Try not to take the photo from below or from a slightly downward-facing angle, because that can exaggerate eyelid heaviness and under-eye shadow.
• Spend a few days looking at yourself in a regular mirror at normal distance, in even lighting, not overhead bathroom lighting and not a magnifying mirror.

The goal is not to find the most flattering photo. It is to bring in a photo that is closer to how your face actually looks in normal interaction.

When the surgeon describes what they're seeing, there's a much better chance you're both looking at the same thing.

Why real-life movement matters

Asymmetry that looks significant in selfies is often much less visible in person, in motion, in normal social interaction.

The face that exists in conversation, at different angles, with expression, is not the same face as a frozen front-facing photo. This doesn't mean the concern isn't real. It means the camera version is often the most extreme version of it, and planning surgery around that can lead to over-correction.

Has anyone had the experience of showing a surgeon your concern photos and having them describe something different than you expected? Curious what that conversation looked like.

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u/EyehoPS — 5 days ago

Aegyosal vs under eye bags: why you shouldn't delete your "cute fat"

Before you decide that the puffiness under your eyes needs to be removed, look at old photos of yourself first.

Around age 18 to 22, was that same lower-lid fullness already there? Did it look soft, youthful, or natural at that time? And does it become more visible when you smile?

That simple comparison can tell you a lot, because not every “puffy” area under the eye is an under eye bag. Sometimes it is aegyosal, and removing it can make the eyes look older instead of fresher.

There's a consultation pattern that comes up enough to be worth writing about. Someone points to the area just under their lower lash line and says they want it removed. It looks puffy, it bothers them in photos, and they've been told it makes them look tired. Sometimes that's a completely valid concern. But sometimes what they're pointing at is aegyosal.

The confusion is understandable because the two can sit in almost the same spot.

1. Where aegyosal and under-eye bags sit

Aegyosal is a small pad of muscle and fat that sits just below the lash line. When it's present, it creates a soft ridge when you smile, catches light, and in East Asian beauty contexts especially, it's strongly associated with a youthful and warm expression. A lot of people actually spend money trying to add it through surgery or filler.

Under eye bags are different. They sit lower, under the orbital rim, and they come from herniated fat pushing forward through weakened tissue. The shadow they cast tends to be heavier and more pronounced, and they generally worsen with age and fatigue.

The clinical problem is that both can read as "puffiness" in a selfie or a flat photo, which is where a lot of the confusion starts.

This case shows why the distinction matters. The lower, heavier under-eye bulge was improved through under-eye fat repositioning, but the area right under the lash line was not completely flattened. The goal is not always to remove every bit of lower-lid fullness. In many cases, the more important question is which fullness is causing the tired look, and which fullness should be preserved for a softer eye shape.

2. What old photos can tell you

A simple check before any consultation:

Look at a photo of yourself around age 18 to 22.

• Was that lower lid area already prominent?
• Did it look good or bad in photos from that period?
• Does it get more visible when you smile?

Aegyosal typically becomes more noticeable with expression. Herniated fat generally does not shift much when you smile.

If that fullness looked natural or even gave you a softer expression when you were younger, there is a decent chance it is aegyosal rather than a structural under eye bag problem.

This does not diagnose the issue by itself, but it gives you a better question to bring into consultation: “Is this fat actually in the wrong place, or has this always been part of my lower eyelid shape?”

3. Why the treatment direction matters

Lower blepharoplasty for true under eye bags is a real procedure with real indications. But if a surgeon doesn't separate which puffiness is which, things can go wrong in either direction.

Removing aegyosal that was actually contributing to a youthful appearance can leave the lower eyelid looking hollow and flat, and that's not always easy to reverse. Adding volume back after the fact is possible, but it's rarely quite the same.

The opposite mistake is also important and gets talked about less: trying to “create aegyosal” with filler or fat grafting when there is already herniated fat underneath.

In that situation, the added volume may not create a cute lower-lid ridge. It can make the whole under eye area look heavier, more swollen, or more congested because the existing bulge was never addressed.

So the question is not just “Should I remove fat or add volume?” It is “Which layer and which position is creating the fullness?”

4. Why photos can be misleading

Some people genuinely dislike their aegyosal, and that's a valid preference. But it's worth making sure the dislike comes from actually seeing it clearly, not from an overhead selfie that makes everything under the eye look heavier than it is in person.

Lower eyelid surgery is one of the harder areas to revise, and what reads as excess tissue in a photo isn't always excess tissue in a clinical assessment.

Before deciding to remove anything in that zone, the question worth raising in a consultation is:

“Is this fat actually in the wrong place, or does it just look that way in certain lighting and angles?”

Has anyone been told conflicting things about whether their lower lids needed removal or augmentation? Curious what the reasoning was on each side.

u/EyehoPS — 8 days ago

Many non-Asian patients visit Korea after seeing double eyelid results that look clean, natural, and refined.
But the same technique does not always create the same result on every eyelid. The final outcome depends on the patient’s existing crease, brow position, skin thickness, fat distribution, and how the fold moves when the eyes open and close.
For this reason, Korean double eyelid techniques often need to be adjusted rather than copied directly.

1. Some eyelids already have a crease, so the surgery is not starting from zero

In many East Asian eyelids, the connection between the eyelid-opening muscle and the upper eyelid skin may be weak or less defined. Korean double eyelid surgery is often designed to create or strengthen that connection.
In many non-Asian eyelids, some form of crease already exists. This changes the surgical plan.
• the existing crease may compete with the new surgical line
• one side may have stronger crease memory than the other
• the fold may look different when blinking or closing the eyes
• excessive fixation can make the crease look deeper than intended
So the key question is not only where the line should be placed. It is whether the eyelid can naturally follow that line after surgery.

2. The same crease height can look different depending on the eyelid structure

Crease height is often explained as a number, such as 6mm, 7mm, or 8mm. But the measured height does not always match how high the crease appears visually.
A crease can look more or less exposed depending on:
• how much skin folds over the line
• brow position
• upper eyelid space
• skin thickness
• fixation strength
• existing crease depth
This is why copying the crease height from a Korean before-and-after photo can be misleading. Two patients may have the same measured crease height, but one may look soft and natural while the other looks higher, sharper, or more operated.

3. Upper eyelid heaviness is not always caused by fat

Upper eyelid fullness is often blamed on fat, but the cause can be more complex.
Heaviness may come from:
• actual upper eyelid fat
• loose skin folding over the crease
• brow position pushing the eyelid downward
• weak eyelid opening strength
• swelling-prone tissue
• a combination of several factors
This matters because fat removal alone does not always make the eyelid look lighter. If the heaviness is mainly caused by skin folding or brow descent, removing fat can create hollowing while the eye still looks heavy.
For patients with thinner eyelid tissue or less natural fullness, preserving volume can be just as important as removing excess tissue.

4. Reference photos should guide the mood, not become the surgical map

Many non-Asian patients who like Korean double eyelid results are usually drawn to the overall feeling of the result, not necessarily the exact crease shape.

What they often want is not just “the same line,” but a similar overall impression:
• a cleaner, softer fold that makes the eyelid look less heavy
• brighter-looking eyes with natural movement when opening, closing, and blinking
• a result that looks refined without looking obviously surgical

These qualities can guide the aesthetic direction. But the actual crease height, curve, fixation strength, and tissue adjustment should be planned around the patient’s own eyelid anatomy.

A crease may look balanced in a still photo but appear too fixed, too sharp, or too exposed when the patient blinks, closes the eyes, looks down, or relaxes the brow. This is why movement matters during consultation, not just front-facing photos.
The most natural results usually come from adapting the technique, not copying it.

If you had eyelid surgery in Korea, did your consultation include an explanation of your eyelid anatomy, or was it mostly focused on the crease style you wanted?

u/EyehoPS — 16 days ago

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After seeing quite a lot of eye surgery cases, when we look at people who struggle during recovery, it usually is not because they ignored obvious precautions.
More often, they followed every instruction properly, but were held back by the things they never even thought to ask about.
That is what this post is about.

Most people are careful about the obvious things after double eyelid surgery or ptosis correction like no rubbing, no alcohol, and they follow the medication schedule.

What gets missed are the smaller habits people do automatically, the routines that feel harmless because they were completely normal before surgery. Not in a way that ruins results, but it keeps the eyelids more irritated, more swollen, or slower to settle than they need to be.

Removing eye makeup too aggressively

Many people are gentle when applying makeup, but rough when removing it.

Even if the incision appears fully closed on the surface, the tissue beneath the skin is still remodeling.
This is the stage when internal adhesion is forming, and for about the first month after surgery, that process is actually quite delicate.
If the eyelid is rubbed repeatedly during this time, a few things can happen. Low-grade irritation can persist, redness along the scar line may last longer, and some people develop unexplained aching or throbbing later in the evening.
Waterproof mascara is usually the biggest offender because it often needs more friction to remove.

Once you are cleared to resume makeup, switching to a regular mascara and removing it by gently pressing with an oil-based remover to dissolve it, rather than rubbing, can make a meaningful difference for recovery.

Lash extensions change how the lash line is handled

Most people know the adhesive is a concern, but the extension application actually involves:

Throughout the procedure, the eyelid is kept fixed in place. The technician works very close to the lash roots the entire time. Individual lashes are repeatedly separated, and during that process, the eyelid skin experiences sustained pulling in directions it normally would not.
For a fully healed eyelid, this is usually tolerable. But for an eyelid where the double-eyelid crease is still settling and the internal structure is still stabilizing, it can become meaningful stress on healing tissue.

Eyeliner tattoos can look different after surgery. This genuinely surprises a lot of people.

To explain it as simply as possible, an eyeliner tattoo is placed based on the shape of your eyelid before surgery. The pigment itself does not move. What changes is everything around it: how much skin covers that line, how the lash line sits in relation to the crease, and how much of the eyelid surface is visible when the eyes are open.

After surgery, the exact same tattoo can look higher, more exposed, or slightly different in angle. One side may suddenly appear darker or more defined than the other. It does not mean the tattoo was done badly. The frame around the tattoo changed.

We also hear from people who feel very upset about this. The eyeliner tattoo itself may have been beautifully done, but after double eyelid surgery, one side suddenly seems higher or asymmetrical. Their frustration is completely understandable, but the reality is that there is usually no quick fix.

The tattoo was not wrong. The surgery was not wrong. The order was wrong.

If you are planning both eyelid surgery and an eyeliner tattoo, surgery should come first. Wait until the eyelids are fully stable, realistically around 3 to 6 months or longer, then get the tattoo placed according to the new eyelid structure. Satisfaction is usually much higher that way. If done in the opposite order, this is exactly the situation that can happen.

Many people need less eye makeup after surgery

This is something people rarely talk about, but it can also become a source of unnecessary worry, so it is worth mentioning.
• thick liner to create visible lid space that wasn't there
• heavy lashes to make the eyes look more open
• uneven application techniques to balance asymmetry between the two eyes
• unconsciously raising the brows in photos to look more awake

Once the lids are corrected, the same techniques that used to help can suddenly look heavy or off. Many people find themselves using noticeably less makeup than before and feeling like something is wrong, when actually the old style just no longer fits the new eye shape.
It takes a few weeks to recalibrate. That is completely normal and worth knowing going in.

So when can most people go back to these things?

Every surgeon has their own protocol, but in general:

- Light face makeup (away from incision): often around 2 weeks, once wounds are closed
- Mascara / light eye makeup: commonly around 3 to 4 weeks, if there is no irritation and the lash line is comfortable
- Waterproof mascara / heavy liner / tightlining: usually later, closer to 4 to 6 weeks because removal friction matters
- Lash glue / strip lashes / lash curlers: often 6 weeks or later, depending on swelling and tenderness
- Lash extensions: commonly 4+ weeks, since application involves prolonged handling of the lash line
- Eyeliner tattoo touch-ups / new tattoo: usually 3 to 6 months, once the lid shape has fully settled

If the eyelid still feels tight, swollen, tender, numb, or sensitive, it usually means wait longer rather than push it.

What is one small beauty routine habit you never realized could affect eyelid surgery recovery?

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u/EyehoPS — 24 days ago

When we consult patients about double eyelid surgery, there is one pattern that comes up again and again. A surprising number of people still do not realize it matters, so it felt worth explaining clearly.

The consultation is almost over, and then the patient mentions, almost casually, “Oh, by the way, I’ve been using eyelid tape for about six years.” It is usually said like a small habit. Just a minor detail. But in surgery, it is not a minor detail at all.

What most people do not realize is that long-term tape use can slowly change the eyelid skin. That can affect which surgery method is more suitable. In some cases, it can even mean the method a patient hoped for is not the best option anymore.

The changes that tend to show up are usually pretty subtle.
The skin may get a little thicker, lose some elasticity, and overall become less predictable in how it behaves. In some cases, the fat under the skin can also shift slightly. It is not some dramatic visible change. But in eyelid surgery, those small differences can matter more than people think.

So why does that affect the choice of surgical method?

The two main methods people usually hear about are the non-incisional method and the incisional method.

The non-incisional method uses sutures to create a crease without making a full cut along the eyelid. This method works best when the skin is thin, soft, and able to fold naturally.

And this is where tape history becomes important.

If the skin has become thicker or less elastic, it may not fold as smoothly. The sutures then have to work against skin that is less flexible. When that happens, two common problems can come up:

• The crease may look tighter or less natural
• The crease may loosen more easily over time

That is why surgeons often recommend the incisional method for patients with a long tape history.

The incisional method creates the fold more directly. A fine cut is made along the crease line, and if needed, a small amount of tissue can also be adjusted. This method does not depend as much on the skin being naturally soft and flexible.

So even if someone seems like a good candidate for the non-incisional method in other ways, long-term tape use can change that decision.

This is where the conversation gets harder.

Most patients prefer the non-incisional method. And honestly, that makes complete sense. No full incision, shorter recovery, and less visible healing.

So it can be frustrating to hear that years of tape use may make that option less suitable.

That reaction makes sense.

Many people used tape because surgery felt too big at the time. It felt like a smaller step. But sometimes that daily habit changes the skin enough that the non-incisional method becomes less reliable later.

A few things are worth keeping in mind:

Incisional surgery does not automatically mean a dramatic result. The surgical method and the crease design are not the same thing.

Recovery is longer, but the result may be more stable. If the tissue has already changed, stability becomes more important.

Of course, not every tape history is the same. Using it occasionally for a year is very different from using it every day for six years, and having used tape does not automatically mean the non-incisional method is off the table. You really have to look at the actual tissue to know. But at the very least, it does make the decision less straightforward.

Has anyone here gone through something similar? If you used eyelid tape for a long time and then moved on to surgery, did the method itself come up during consultation? I’d be curious to hear what you were told.

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u/EyehoPS — 26 days ago