u/FallenAngelINC1913

Isang maliit na tagumpay para sa exINC subreddit ang pagkakaso ng plunder kay Marcoleta

Minsan, akala natin wala nang pag-asa. Na sa sobrang makapangyarihan ng INC sa gobyerno ay wala nang gagalaw upang sila ay papanagutin. Pero sa nangyari ngayon, ang isa sa malaking galamay ng INC sa senado ay nakasuhan ng plunder at maaaring makulong at maaaring maging negatibong imahe para sa kanilang organisasyon. Mababawasan din ang kanilang impluwensiya at ito ay maaaring maging hudyat na hindi sa lahat ng pagkakataon ay pwedeng diktahan ng kanilang kulto ang gobyerno.

Una nating inexpose dito sa subreddit ang katiwalian ni Marcoleta. Kung hindi tayo nagsalita, at nanahimik na lang, patuloy na maghahari-harian ang matandang Marcoleta at ang INC na kaniyang nirerepresenta.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exIglesiaNiCristo/comments/1mu96ad/part_2_soce_of_marcoleta_is_suspicious_just_like/

Dati iniisip ko na tumahimik na lang. Pero may mga kamag-anak ako na gusto ko ring tulungang makaalis. Gayunman, hindi ko rin pwedeng ihayag ang aking pagkatao dahil na rin sa impluwensiya ng INCulto sa aking pamilya at alam naman natin na hindi lamang ako ang pwede nilang usigin kundi pati na rin ang aking pamilya.

Subalit napapansin ko na may mga kaanak ako na tila iba ang opinyon sa mga bagay na nangyayari sa INC at karamihan ay katulad ng mga bagay na ating inilalathala rito sa reddit. Sa akin isa itong indirect na paraan upang mahikayat sila na makaalis sa INC. At maliit na rin itong tagumpay upang maimulat ang kanilang mata.

Pwede naman akong umalis na lamang nang tahimik at huwag nang magsalita, mamuhay nang payapa. Ngunit minsan kailangan talaga nating magsalita at lumaban. Kung para sa sarili ko lang, magiging tagamasid na lamang ako at hintayin na mawala ang kulto. Pero paano na ang ating mga mahal sa buhay, at paano na ang mga taong patuloy pa rin nilang malilinlang, wala na bang ibang paraan para pigilan ang kanilang pagpapalaganap ng lagim?

Kaya sa aking mga kapamatok, may dalawa tayong paraan ng pag-alis at paglaban. Isang paraan ang tahimik na pag-alis, tama iyan. Isa iyang mabisang paraan upang hindi tayo mausig ng INC at hindi na sumakit ang ating ulo. Pero may isang paraan na kailangan nating maging vocal sa ating mga opinyon, nararamdaman at pagtuligsa sa INC. Ito ay upang ipakita sa kanila na hindi lahat ng pagkakataon ay kaya nilang paikutin ang mga tao at maging daan na rin ito na ang ibang nakakakita, nakakabasa o nakakarinig na magkaroon ng idea kung gaano katiwali ang INCulto.

Hangga't may social media na pwedeng gamitin na hindi na kinakailangang magprotesta sa kalsada, gagawin ko. Ngayon pa na ating naririnig sa mga lektura ni Manalo ang kanilang panggigigil sa mga influencers at social media pages na umaaatake sa kanilang kulto. Simula pa lamang ito, sa maliit mang paraan magagawa nating unti-unting mapabagsak ang INCulto. Maaaring gumamit sila ng dahas upang patigilin ang kanilang mga kalaban pero hindi na nila mabubura ang kasaysayan.

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u/FallenAngelINC1913 — 1 day ago

Nowadays, There's a lot of types of offerings in INC

This dude should get up from his grave and kick his son because of disobedience. EVM speaks a lot about obedience but he is an example of a stubborn child.

There are actually a lot of "worldwide thingy offerings" nowadays. EVM is on a spending spree to build many temples without even looking at the finances of the church. He is launching projects and donation drives to give members financial burden just to give himself glory for his achievements. Even when the members are incapable, EVM instills in them to give abundantly even during poverty. This is where corruption thrives.

But it's actually a wake up call and an eye opener so that people would realize that this cult is a scam from the start. What the two previous executive ministers were hiding were exposed by EVM and made their cultic activities obvious.

u/FallenAngelINC1913 — 2 days ago

Ang iglesia raw ay sa Diyos pero ang pangalan raw dapat ay iglesia ni Cristo. Paano naging sa Diyos ang isang bagay na hindi tinatawag sa kaniyang pangalan?

Nakakatawa lang talaga ang INC sa kanilang mga palusot. Kapag ang pinag-uusapan ay ang likas na kalagayan, ang bida ay ang Diyos. Pero kapag pangalan ng iglesia, discredited na ang Diyos, at ayaw nilang sabihin na "iglesia ng Diyos" ang nakasulat sa Gawa 20:28 (Paunawa: ito ay hindi nagpo-promote ng anumang samahan o relihiyon kundi isang pagtutol at pagtuligsa sa sinasampalatayang doktrina ng INC.), samantalang naniniwala raw sila na Diyos ang nag-iisang lumalang sa lahat ng bagay at si Kristo ay isa lamang taong nilalang. Bakit ayaw nilang tawagin sa pangalan ng Diyos ang iglesia?

Ang ipinagpipilitan ng INC ay dahil raw sinabi ni Kristo na "aking iglesia" at sa ulo nakapangalan ang katawan, kaya dapat lang raw na tawagin ito sa kaniyang pangalan. Hindi ba ang pag-aari ni Kristo ay pag-aari rin ng Diyos? At ang lahat ng bagay ay pag-aari ng Diyos? At ang Diyos ang ulo ni Kristo (1 Cor. 11:3)? Samakatuwid, dapat talagang tawagin sa pangalan ng Diyos ang iglesia.

Sa Efeso 1: "Dahil kay Cristo, TAYO rin ay naging PAG-AARI NG DIYOS na siyang nagsagawa ng lahat ng bagay ayon sa layunin ng kanyang kalooban. Tayong mga unang umasa sa kanya ay pinili niya upang parangalan ang kanyang kaluwalhatian. Kayo man ay naging bayan ng Diyos matapos ninyong marinig ang salita ng katotohanan, ang Magandang Balita na nagdudulot ng kaligtasan."

Hindi ba tama lamang na tawaging iglesia ng Diyos ang nasa Gawa 20:28, hindi lamang dahil ito ang nakasulat, kundi nakasulat na rin ito sa napakaraming talata sa Bibliya?

Ang problema kasi, sa katangahan, ang naiparehistro ni Felix Manalo ay INC. Kaya wala na siyang magawa kundi tanggapin na lang ito at panindigan na ito raw ang pangalan ng tunay na iglesia.

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u/FallenAngelINC1913 — 3 days ago

The most important thing for Christians that you'll never find in an INC household.

Ask any INC and you'll be surprised. They can't even give you a Lamsa Bible Translation. Most probably they'll give you a bunch of Pasugo Toilet Papers. I can't even call INC as a Christian organization just for this reason.

Rarity of things that you'll see in an INC home:

Super Common - INC flags and paraphernalia

Common - Manalo clan portraits

Epic - 10 Commandments for INC's

Super Rare/Extinct - Holy Bible

u/FallenAngelINC1913 — 6 days ago

What is the purpose of this school (SFM) if they are just reading lectures which Manalo has prepared/authorized?

Seriously, it's more like "Training Ground: for Manalo's 4ss lickers".

Probably also how to manipulate people and show their sheep clothing (how to speak loudly, cry-pray, and lure gullible people) in order to increase membership and finally create additional offerings.

What I hear during lectures, their adlibs would usually comprise of venerating Manalo or things about propagation and increasing offerings.

They can't do critical thinking, can't even answer doctrinal questions on the spot, can't see them perform debates and defend their faith but now obliged to ignore things on social media. I haven't seen any strong minister that proudly represents INC and defend them against their enemies valiantly on TV or online. Most are scripted and they couldn't be questioned live. They can't move even their foot and mouth without Manalo's authorization.

But what we can see trending on TV / online and on rallies is that Manalo sends ministers to speak to the government and low-key defend corrupt politicians.

u/FallenAngelINC1913 — 6 days ago

Nangangarap ako na isang araw ay may kilusan na hayagang tututol at lalaban sa INC.

Sa Pilipinas, pwedeng magco-exist ang oposisyon sa gobyerno. Pwedeng mag-rally laban sa mga namumuno sa gobyerno nang payapa at malayang maipahayag sa buong mundo ang kanilang mga hinanaing. Walang problema kahit nakatakip ang mukha sa rally. Kung may ganito nga lamang na samahan, malamang isa na ako sa mga nakikilahok. At mas malamang, hindi lamang ito mangyayari sa Pilipinas kundi pambuong mundong kilusan. Kapag may ganiyan, hindi pwedeng magbulag-bulagan ang pamamahala dahil maaring iyan ang kanilang ikabagsak sa dami ng isyu sa kanila.

Pero sa INC, nakakalungkot mang isipin, malamang hindi mangyayari iyan. Alam ninyo naman ang nangyari sa mga lumaban sa administrasyon ni Eduardo Manalo, kahit kamag-anak hindi pinatawad, naipakulong pa samantalang bawal daw kasuhan ang kapatid, pinayagan nila ang sanlibutan kuno na arestuhin ang kaniyang mga kamag-anak. Mga pulitikong hindi INC na involved sa corruption kaya nilang ipagtanggol pero hindi ang kanilang sariling dugo at kapatid na lumalaban sa korupsiyon sa iglesia. Kahit kanilang mga ministro na matagal nang naglingkod ay pinaguusig, paano pa kaya ang mga maliliit na kaanib?

Ayaw kong makita na isang araw ay INC ang mamumuno at magiging dominant na relihiyon sa bansa natin, ang INC ay isang institusyon na kung mangyayaring sila ang mamumuno sa bansa ay parang NorthKor, walang kalayaan sa pagpapahayag at kung sino man ang lumaban ay ipapapatay. Pero salamat at buhay ang Diyos, hanggang ngayon kaunti pa rin ang INC at nababawasan pa.

Subalit kahit na sa ganito kaliit na numero ay nakakapaghasik pa rin ang INC ng lagim sa kasalukuyang sistema ng gobyerno. Para silang cancer, mahirap nang alisin dahil nasa sistema na ng gobyerno at komunidad. Maliit man pero nakakapanira ng katawan at nakamamatay.

Kaya tayo dito sa reddit, hindi man hayagan, ay naninindigan at nagpapahayag ng ating mga pagtutol sa mga bulok na doktrina at sistema sa loob ng INCulto, at hindi kayang kontrolin ng pamamahala. Ang FB ay mas madaling i-track dahil mahirap siyang gamitan ng throwaway account at madaling itrace ang identity. Katulad ngayon na naguimpisa na silang maghigpit sa mga socmeds na kailangan para sa mga MT, na actual name ang dapat gamitin sa FB at hindi alias, at kailangang ideclare lahat ng socmed accounts. Ni hindi naman sinasabi kung bakit. Pero ang tingin ko diyan upang mamonitor nila kung sino ang hindi kaisa sa pamamahala o may pagtutol na ginagawa sa kanilang mga socmeds.

Kaya ang sinasabi nila na naghahasik lamang daw tayo dito ng kaguluhan sa loob ng iglesia at tayo ay nagtatago lamang at nagpapanggap na tunay na kaanib. Gaya naman ng mga bayani natin, gumamit rin sila ng pseudonyms at mga propaganda upang makilaglaban sa mga dayuhan. Hindi lahat ng nagtatago ay mali at duwag, kailangan lang nilang gawin ito dahil ang kanilang kalaban ay alam nilang may kakayahan na sila ay pinsalain at patayin.

Bakit ayaw ng pamamahala na magkaroon tayo ng kalayaan at maipahayag natin ang ating pagtutol sa iglesia? Dahil mawawalan sila ng miyembrong pagkakakitaan at siyempre, babagsak ang iglesia dahil makikita ng buong mundo ang kanilang bulok na doktrina, sistema at mga katangiang pagiging kulto. Lahat ng iyan ay dahil sa pera at wala naman talagang tunay na Diyos sa loob ng iglesia ng mga Manalo.

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u/FallenAngelINC1913 — 8 days ago

Remembering Felix Manalo - Trust me Bro Moments

There was no Felix Manalo in the Bible, so it was his interpretation.

There was no World War 1 in the Bible, so it was his interpretation.

There was no July 27, 1914 in the Bible, so it was his interpretation

There was no Big 4 in the Bible, so it was his interpretation.

There was no Philippines in the Bible, so it was his interpretation

u/FallenAngelINC1913 — 13 days ago

Remembering Felix Manalo - Name Change

Why the name change from INK to INC? If Felix Manalo was so sure of the name of his "true" church, why change it? Does the true church use a "K" or "C"?

Probably he realized that using INK has less appeal, and he could use the initials INC to attract more members to join his group (another INC which was established in 1901 and more popular during the time) just as a trick.

Or for some shallow reasons, such as: avoiding the ridicule of calling them "paint" (ink) / Ayaw lang nilang tuksuhin silang mga "tinta" (ink).

u/FallenAngelINC1913 — 13 days ago

INC preaches a different gospel

INC wants to put their ideology first over accuracy. They are doing analysis paralysis. They will not believe exactly what is written because it contradicts their belief, which is a dangerous thing. They will look for interpretations and translations that will fit their narratives.

Specifically, in Acts 20:28, the INC was looking for answers in different directions, while ignoring the author or the writer of the text, his language, and to whom he was talking to. How could a writer who speaks fluently in Koine Greek, write in Aramaic? Even the Apostle Paul speaks in Koine Greek and in this verse, he was speaking in front of Greek audiences in Miletus and Ephesus. This means that the INC’s claim that Aramaic was the correct translation is highly questionable. Manuscripts for Acts written in Koine Greek (Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus) don’t need to be translated and thus would be more accurate.

Though there were ancient copies of the New Testament in different dialects of Aramaic, these dialects cannot exactly be considered “Jesus’ mother tongue,” (a usual defense by the INC) because they changed considerably over time and varied significantly from place to place. These versions are usually called the “Syriac,” which is one of the most widely used and well-documented dialects of Aramaic. While these Aramaic New Testament versions were made already in antiquity, the scholarly consensus is clear that they were translations, mostly from the Greek, into later Aramaic dialects. They were not original Aramaic versions of the New Testament books. The fact that even the earliest Syriac translators had to rely on Greek manuscripts is a good indication that Hebrew or Aramaic copies of the New Testament were unavailable already in the early centuries AD. The manuscript tradition thus strongly indicates a Greek origin for all the books of the New Testament.

Why doesn't the INC want to follow what is written in the Greek Acts 20:28? Because it will melt down their initial and core belief that their official church name (INC) was the one purchased by the blood of Christ. Their ideology and prophetic claims would shatter and turn to dust.

u/FallenAngelINC1913 — 14 days ago

Manalo’s Big Lie about the Big 4. How the INC manipulated and twisted the Bible verses to fit their self-claimed prophecy.

As the vision in the Apocalypse presents the picture, the “four angels” appear before the “other angel”. Manalo’s identification of the angels does not correspond with this order of appearance. Manalo the “other angel” began his preaching and has his church established in 1914.

Whereas, of his “four angels”, three, Orlando (1917), Clemenceau (1917) and Lloyd George (1916) only became premiers of their respective countries in 1916 or after.

And the holding of the four winds (bringing about peace at the four corners of the world) as Manalo interpreted happened later in 1919.

Though this is a really boring WS, be aware, listen and observe their lies, the minister who will facilitate the coming worship lectures won’t start with Revelations 7:1, but instead, he will proceed with the “other angel” verse in Revelations 7:2 to give the impression that Felix Manalo came first before the Big 4.

To counter criticism, the minister will say that the "other angel" was already ascending (preaching) when the Big 4 came in verse 2, but it will backfire because of their claim that the "other angel" appeared in 1914. It is really hard to prove something which is not true.

What I agree on the other hand is that Manalo is a Big liar.

u/FallenAngelINC1913 — 15 days ago

The word “Doxology” is nowhere to be found in the Bible, but the INC uses it in each of their rituals. Instead, “The Doxology” was a title of a hymn stanza written by Thomas Ken, a bishop in the Church of England around 1674 to close worship services. It is recognized as a fundamental expression of Trinity theology. Thomas Ken’s theology was firmly rooted in traditional orthodox Anglicanism, which holds to the Nicene and Athanasian Creeds (which detail the Trinity). The word Doxology originated from the Medieval Latin doxologia, derived from Ancient Greek doxologia ("praise, glory"). It combines doxa ("glory, praise," from dokein "to seem") and -logia ("saying, speaking"). It literally translates to "a speaking of glory" or "words of glory" or “words of praise”.

However, the Doxology of the INC should not be titled as such because the version of INC only praises the Father but does not praise the Son and the Holy Spirit unlike the original hymn by Thomas Ken. The INC wanted to move away from the concept of Trinity that gives equal praise for the three entities. If you can recall the old version by the INC, it was a praise to the Father but unclear if it is also dedicated to the Son and Holy Spirit. The new INC hymn removes that ambiguity and removes the praise from the two. The INC denies that their Doxology confess their belief in the Trinity, but whatever rejection they have, the fact remains that the origin of their Doxology was copied not from the Bible but from their rival Protestants who believe in the Trinity.

u/FallenAngelINC1913 — 16 days ago

Their reasoning about the messenger is a vicious cycle. And they use the words of Paul as if it is Manalo's words just to make FYM look like a hero.

u/FallenAngelINC1913 — 22 days ago