u/FallenRev

Looking at potentially getting the (new) Refugio 30L and plan on using it as an EDC bag for commuting, work, some dayhikes, and going to the gym as well as traveling potentially. Seen lots of mixed reviews on the new updated design and how they removed the laptop sleeve and the load lifters.

Got a chance to see it and try it on in person at REI and not sure if i’m feeling having no load lifters, or a waist belt. Especially if i’m biking with the backpack on, or carrying heavy items. For a 30L I do think it would’ve made sense to have waist straps or load lifters at least. I am also curious how it handles being out in the rain for prolonged periods of time as well.

I was looking at the Fjallraven Skule 28L and the Mountain Hardwear Field Day 28L, both of which have waist straps.

I do really like the mesh outer though compared to the older bungee cables and plan on utilizing that to carry climbing shoes, harness, and other gear to take to the gym.

Has anyone tried it for regular everyday uses? I don’t see a whole lot of reviews yet on the new Refugio 30L.

Planning on taking my regular beta shell on a backpacking trip to Patagonia. I've only ever taken it out on dayhikes and short overnight backpacking trips as an emergency shell, and i'm looking to build a proper layering system for low temps, moderate percipitation and high winds whilst also managing overheating under.

I know it doesn't have pit zips, can run hot, and the gore-tex isn't always the most breathable but I am trying to work around that by having a good layering system and playing around with the main zip. I have a Patagonia R1, and plan on wearing a merino wool base layer under. Looking at subbing either one of those out for something a bit thinner/better at sweat-wicking, maybe.

I know it's a city jacket, but does anyone have any experience using the regular Beta as a more technical outdoor shell on long trips? How do you manage layers under, and work around not having pit zips?