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Why did Jon lose his connection with Ghost , and will that have any significance in the next book ?

A Storm of Swords - Samwell IV

"That's only Ser Alliser," said Sam. "Everyone knows the sort of man he is." With his noble birth, his knighthood, and his long years in the Watch, Ser Alliser Thorne might have been a strong challenger for the Lord Commander's title, but almost all the men he'd trained during his years as master-at-arms despised him. His name had been offered, of course, but after running a weak sixth on the first day and actually losing votes on the second, Thorne had withdrawn to support Lord Janos Slynt.

"What everyone knows is that Ser Alliser is a knight from a noble line, and trueborn, while I'm the bastard who killed Qhorin Halfhand and bedded with a spearwife. The warg, I've heard them call me. How can I be a warg without a wolf, I ask you?" His mouth twisted. "I don't even dream of Ghost anymore. All my dreams are of the crypts, of the stone kings on their thrones. Sometimes I hear Robb's voice, and my father's, as if they were at a feast. But there's a wall between us, and I know that no place has been set for me."

The living have no place at the feasts of the dead. It tore the heart from Sam to hold his silence then. Bran's not dead, Jon, he wanted to stay. He's with friends, and they're going north on a giant elk to find a three-eyed crow in the depths of the haunted forest. It sounded so mad that there were times Sam Tarly thought he must have dreamt it all, conjured it whole from fever and fear and hunger . . . but he would have blurted it out anyway, if he had not given his word.

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u/Financial_Library418 — 4 hours ago

If you had to pick one person to rule the North in 297 other than a Stark , who is your choice and why ? I am restricting the answer to Northern houses

A Game of Thrones - Catelyn VIII

"Let us not keep them waiting any longer, ser." Ser Brynden Tully put the spurs to his horse and trotted briskly toward the banners. Catelyn rode beside him.

Ser Wylis and his brother Ser Wendel followed, leading their levies, near fifteen hundred men: some twenty-odd knights and as many squires, two hundred mounted lances, swordsmen, and freeriders, and the rest foot, armed with spears, pikes and tridents. Lord Wyman had remained behind to see to the defenses of White Harbor. A man of near sixty years, he had grown too stout to sit a horse. "If I had thought to see war again in my lifetime, I should have eaten a few less eels," he'd told Catelyn when he met her ship, slapping his massive belly with both hands. His fingers were fat as sausages. "My boys will see you safe to your son, though, have no fear."

His "boys" were both older than Catelyn, and she might have wished that they did not take after their father quite so closely. Ser Wylis was only a few eels short of not being able to mount his own horse; she pitied the poor animal. Ser Wendel, the younger boy, would have been the fattest man she'd ever known, had she only neglected to meet his father and brother. Wylis was quiet and formal, Wendel loud and boisterous; both had ostentatious walrus mustaches and heads as bare as a baby's bottom; neither seemed to own a single garment that was not spotted with food stains. Yet she liked them well enough; they had gotten her to Robb, as their father had vowed, and nothing else mattered.

A Game of Thrones - Catelyn VIII

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u/Financial_Library418 — 4 days ago
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What will Marwyn's role be as in the next book in your opinion ?

>“Once, at the Citadel, I came into an empty room and saw an empty chair. Yet I knew a woman had been there, only a moment before. The cushion was dented where she’d sat, the cloth was still warm, and her scent lingered in the air. If we leave our smells behind us when we leave a room, surely something of our souls must remain when we leave this life?” Qyburn spread his hands. “The archmaesters did not like my thinking, though. Well, Marwyn did, but he was the only one.”
“Once, at the Citadel, I came into an empty room and saw
an empty chair. Yet I knew a woman had been there, only a moment
before. The cushion was dented where she’d sat, the cloth was still
warm, and her scent lingered in the air. If we leave our smells behind
us when we leave a room, surely something of our souls must remain
when we leave this life?” Qyburn spread his hands. “The archmaesters
did not like my thinking, though. Well, Marwyn did, but he was the
only one.”

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u/Financial_Library418 — 6 days ago
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If you had to pick one person to rule the North in 297 other than a Stark , who is your choice and why ? I am restricting the answer to Northern houses

A Game of Thrones - Catelyn VIII

"Let us not keep them waiting any longer, ser." Ser Brynden Tully put the spurs to his horse and trotted briskly toward the banners. Catelyn rode beside him.

Ser Wylis and his brother Ser Wendel followed, leading their levies, near fifteen hundred men: some twenty-odd knights and as many squires, two hundred mounted lances, swordsmen, and freeriders, and the rest foot, armed with spears, pikes and tridents. Lord Wyman had remained behind to see to the defenses of White Harbor. A man of near sixty years, he had grown too stout to sit a horse. "If I had thought to see war again in my lifetime, I should have eaten a few less eels," he'd told Catelyn when he met her ship, slapping his massive belly with both hands. His fingers were fat as sausages. "My boys will see you safe to your son, though, have no fear."

His "boys" were both older than Catelyn, and she might have wished that they did not take after their father quite so closely. Ser Wylis was only a few eels short of not being able to mount his own horse; she pitied the poor animal. Ser Wendel, the younger boy, would have been the fattest man she'd ever known, had she only neglected to meet his father and brother. Wylis was quiet and formal, Wendel loud and boisterous; both had ostentatious walrus mustaches and heads as bare as a baby's bottom; neither seemed to own a single garment that was not spotted with food stains. Yet she liked them well enough; they had gotten her to Robb, as their father had vowed, and nothing else mattered.

A Game of Thrones - Catelyn VIII

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u/Financial_Library418 — 6 days ago
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What is the single most impressive martial action in the books in your opinion ? GARLAN is my pick at Blackwater .

A Storm of Swords - Davos II

But that was another lifetime, he thought. That was before the onion ship, before Storm's End, before Stannis shortened my fingers. That was before the war or the red comet, before I was a Seaworth or a knight. I was a different man in those days, before Lord Stannis raised me high.

Captain Khorane had told him of the end of Stannis's hopes, on the night the river burned. The Lannisters had taken him from the flank, and his fickle bannermen had abandoned him by the hundreds in the hour of his greatest need. "King Renly's shade was seen as well," the captain said, "slaying right and left as he led the lion lord's van. It's said his green armor took a ghostly glow from the wildfire, and his antlers ran with golden flames."

Renly's shade. Davos wondered if his sons would return as shades as well. He had seen too many queer things on the sea to say that ghosts did not exist. "Did none keep faith?" he asked.

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u/Financial_Library418 — 7 days ago
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What did Arryn say or do to get Dorne to stand down in your opinion ?

A Storm of Swords - Tyrion VI

"Is it true he tried to raise Dorne for Viserys?"

"No one speaks of it, but yes. Ravens flew and riders rode, with what secret messages I never knew. Jon Arryn sailed to Sunspear to return Prince Lewyn's bones, sat down with Prince Doran, and ended all the talk of war. But Robert never went to Dorne thereafter, and Prince Oberyn seldom left it."

"Well, he's here now, with half the nobility of Dorne in his tail, and he grows more impatient every day," said Tyrion. "Perhaps I should show him the brothels of King's Landing, that might distract him. A tool for every task, isn't that how it works? My tool is yours, Father. Never let it be said that House Lannister blew its trumpets and I did not respond."

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u/Financial_Library418 — 10 days ago
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Where is Tyrek in your opinion ?

A Feast for Crows - Jaime III

"Always," Strongboar agreed, and that was the end of that.

Yet afterward, alone in the tower room he had been offered for the night, Jaime found himself wondering. Tyrek had served King Robert as a squire, side by side with Lancel. Knowledge could be more valuable than gold, more deadly than a dagger. It was Varys he thought of then, smiling and smelling of lavender. The eunuch had agents and informers all over the city. It would have been a simple matter for him to arrange to have Tyrek snatched during the confusion . . . provided he knew beforehand that the mob was like to riot. And Varys knew all, or so he would have us believe. Yet he gave Cersei no warning of that riot. Nor did he ride down to the ships to see Myrcella off.

He opened the shutters. The night was growing cold, and a horned moon rode the sky. His hand shone dully in its light. No good for throttling eunuchs, but heavy enough to smash that slimy smile into a fine red ruin. He wanted to hit someone.

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u/Financial_Library418 — 14 days ago
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Any thoughts on this vision ? Did it happen in Winterfell ? Could the victim be Coldhands maybe ?

Then, as he watched, a bearded man forced a captive down onto his knees before the heart tree. A white-haired woman stepped toward them through a drift of dark red leaves, a bronze sickle in her hand.
“No,” said Bran, “no, don’t,” but they could not hear him, no more than his father had. The woman grabbed the captive by the hair, hooked the sickle round his throat, and slashed. And through the mist of centuries the broken boy could only watch as the man’s feet drummed against the earth ... but as his life flowed out of him in a red tide, Brandon Stark could taste the blood.

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u/Financial_Library418 — 18 days ago
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Does anyone have any thoughts on the ancient Starks possible connection to the White Walkers ? Also, will it affect Jon's future ?

“Then a long cruel winter fell,” said Ser Bartimus. “The White Knife froze hard, and even the firth was icing up. The winds came howling from the north and drove them slavers inside to huddle round their fires, and whilst they warmed themselves the new king come down on them. Brandon Stark this was, Edrick Snowbeard’s great-grandson, him that men called Ice Eyes. He took the Wolf’s Den back, stripped the slavers naked, and gave them to the slaves he’d found chained up in the dungeons. It’s said they hung their entrails in the branches of the heart tree, as an offering to the gods. The old gods, not these new ones from the south. Your Seven don’t know winter, and winter don’t know them.”
Davos could not argue with the truth of that. From what he had seen at Eastwatch-by-the-Sea, he did not care to know winter either. “What gods do you keep?” he asked the one-legged knight.
“The old ones.” When Ser Bartimus grinned, he looked just like a skull. “Me and mine were here before the Manderlys. Like as not, my own forebears strung those entrails through the tree.”
“I never knew that northmen made blood sacrifice to their heart trees.”
“There’s much and more you southrons do not know about the north,” Ser Bartimus replied.

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u/Financial_Library418 — 18 days ago
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Who is the biggest hypocrite in your opinion ? My choice below .

“We’ve had no such troubles here... and I’ll thank you not to tell such evil tales under my roof. I’m a godly man, and the gods keep me safe. If wights come walking, I’ll know how to send them back to their graves. Though I could use me a sharp new axe.”

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u/Financial_Library418 — 24 days ago
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What does Mance want with Theon ?

They know. The gods know. They saw what I did. And for one strange moment it seemed as if it were Bran’s face carved into the pale trunk of the weirwood, staring down at him with eyes red and wise and sad. Bran’s ghost, he thought, but that was madness. Why should Bran want to haunt him? He had been fond of the boy, had never done him any harm. It was not Bran we killed. It was not Rickon. They were only miller’s sons, from the mill by the Acorn Water. “I had to have two heads, else they would have mocked me ... laughed at me ... they ...”
A voice said, “Who are you talking to?”
Theon spun, terrified that Ramsay had found him, but it was just the washerwomen—Holly, Rowan, and one whose name he did not know. “The ghosts,” he blurted. “They whisper to me. They ... they know my name.”
“Theon Turncloak.” Rowan grabbed his ear, twisting. “You had to have two heads, did you?” “Elsewise men would have laughed at him,” said Holly.
They do not understand. Theon wrenched free. “What do you want?” he asked.
“You,” said the third washerwoman, an older woman, deep-voiced, with grey streaks in her hair. “I told you. I want to touch you, turncloak.” Holly smiled. In her hand a blade appeared.
I could scream, Theon thought. Someone will hear. The castle is full of armed men. He would be dead before help reached him, to be sure, his blood soaking into the ground to feed the heart tree. And what would be so wrong with that? “Touch me,” he said. “Kill me.” There was more despair than defiance in his voice. “Go on. Do me, the way you did the others. Yellow Dick and the rest. It was you.”
Holly laughed. “How could it be us? We’re women. Teats and cunnies. Here to be fucked, not feared.”
“Did the Bastard hurt you?” Rowan asked. “Chopped off your fingers, did he? Skinned your widdle toes? Knocked your teeth out? Poor lad.” She patted his cheek. “There will be no more o’ that, I promise. You prayed, and the gods sent us. You want to die as Theon? We’ll give you that. A nice quick death, ’twill hardly hurt at all.” She smiled. “But not till you’ve sung for Abel. He’s waiting for you.”

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u/Financial_Library418 — 24 days ago
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Who is the mystery knight in your head-canon ?

The quiet wolf had offered the little crannogman a place in his tent that night, but before he slept he knelt on the lakeshore, looking across the water to where the Isle of Faces would be, and said a prayer to the old gods of north and Neck...”
“You never heard this tale from your father?” asked Jojen.
“It was Old Nan who told the stories. Meera, go on, you can’t stop there.”
Hodor must have felt the same. “Hodor,” he said, and then, “Hodor hodor hodor hodor.” “Well,” said Meera, “if you would hear the rest...”
“Yes. Tell it.”
“Five days of jousting were planned,” she said. “There was a great seven-sided melee as well, and archery and axethrowing, a horse race and tourney of singers. ..”
“Never mind about all that.” Bran squirmed impatiently in his basket on Hodor’s back. “Tell about the jousting.”
“As my prince commands. The daughter of the castle was the queen of love and beauty, with four brothers and an uncle to defend her, but all four sons of Harrenhal were defeated on the first day. Their conquerors reigned briefly as champions, until they were vanquished in turn. As it happened, the end of the first day saw the porcupine knight win a place among the champions, and on the morning of the second day the pitchfork knight and the knight of the two towers were victorious as well. But late on the afternoon of that second day, as the shadows grew long, a mystery knight appeared in the lists.”
Bran nodded sagely. Mystery knights would oft appear at tourneys, with helms concealing their faces, and shields that were either blank or bore some strange device. Sometimes they were famous champions in disguise. The Dragonknight once won a tourney as the Knight of Tears, so he could name his sister the queen of love and beauty in place of the king’s mistress. And Barristan the Bold twice donned a mystery knight’s armor, the first time when he was only ten. “It was the little crannogman, I bet.”
“No one knew,” said Meera, “but the mystery knight was short of stature, and clad in ill-fitting armor made up of bits and pieces. The device upon his shield was a heart tree of the old gods, a white weirwood with a laughing red face.”
“Maybe he came from the Isle of Faces,” said Bran. “Was he green?” In Old Nan’s stories, the guardians had dark green skin and leaves instead of hair. Sometimes they had antlers too, but Bran didn’t see how the mystery knight could have worn a helm if he had antlers. “I bet the old gods sent him.”

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u/Financial_Library418 — 25 days ago
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Do you think Winterfell is warded like Storm's End and the Wall ? I found this while reading Bran Vras . How will the magic play out in the next book ?

>A seventh castle he raised, most massive of all. Some said the children of the forest helped him build it, shaping the stones with magic; others claimed that a small boy told him what he must do, a boy who would grow to be Bran the Builder. No matter how the tale was told, the end was the same. Though the angry gods threw storm after storm against it, the seventh castle stood defiant, and Durran Godsgrief and fair Elenei dwelt there together until the end of their days.

(Catelyn III, ACoK)

>Thousands and thousands of years ago, Brandon the Builder had raised Winterfell, and some said the Wall.

(Bran IV, AGoT)

>“And what of Mance? Is he lost as well? What do your fires show?”
*“The same, I fear. Only snow.”*A seventh castle he raised, most massive of all. Some said
the children of the forest helped him build it, shaping the stones
with magic; others claimed that a small boy told him what he must do,
a boy who would grow to be Bran the Builder. No matter how the tale
was told, the end was the same. Though the angry gods threw storm
after storm against it, the seventh castle stood
defiant, and Durran Godsgrief and fair Elenei dwelt there together
until the end of their days.

(Catelyn III, ACoK)
The Wall itself.
Thousands and thousands of years ago, Brandon the Builder
had raised Winterfell, and some said the Wall.

(Bran IV, AGoT)

Of course, the Wall, Winterfell, and Storm's End are among the wonders the
Seven Kingdoms, I suppose. Brandon the builder might never have existed.
However, naming him as the builder in all three cases would seem to put
the Wall, Winterfell, and Storm's End in the same league, so to speak. We
know that Storm's End and the Wall are warded barriers, as Melisandre came
to realize. (Melisandre could not have made her sorcery if Davos had not
smuggled her inside Storm's End. She thinks plainly that her magic is more
powerful because of the Wall. Moreover, the Wall seems a barrier for
warging and wolf dreams.) So it follows logically that
Winterfell's walls are warded in a similar way. In some sense,
we have a direct support for the notion, since Melisandre seems unable to
see inside Winterfell with her flames.
“And what of Mance? Is he lost as well? What do your fires
show?”

“The same, I fear. Only snow.”

http://branvras.free.fr/HuisClos/Immortals.html

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u/Financial_Library418 — 26 days ago
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The North remembers indeed . How excited will you be when good things start to happen for the Starks in the next book . Hopefully we get it sooner rather than later . A Time for Wolves was the original title for the last book IIRC .

He remembered their godswood; the tall sentinels armored in their grey-green needles, the great oaks, the hawthorn and ash and soldier pines, and at the center the heart tree standing like some pale giant frozen in time. He could almost smell the place, earthy and brooding, the smell of centuries, and he remembered how dark the wood had been even by day. That wood was Winterfell. It was the north. I never felt so out of place as I did when I walked there, so much an unwelcome intruder. He wondered if the Greyjoys would feel it too. The castle might well be theirs, but never that godswood. Not in a year, or ten, or fifty.

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u/Financial_Library418 — 27 days ago
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Would the old gods consider this a betrayal by Ned ? Marriage as well in a sept ?

Catelyn had never liked this godswood.
She had been born a Tully, at Riverrun far to the south, on the Red Fork of the Trident. The
godswood there was a garden, bright and airy, where tall redwoods spread dappled shadows across tinkling streams, birds sang from hidden nests, and the air was spicy with the scent of flowers.
The gods of Winterfell kept a different sort of wood. It was a dark, primal place, three acres of old forest untouched for ten thousand years as the gloomy castle rose around it. It smelled of moist earth and decay. No redwoods grew here. This was a wood of stubborn sentinel trees armored in grey-green needles, of mighty oaks, of ironwoods as old as the realm itself. Here thick black trunks crowded close together while twisted branches wove a dense canopy overhead and misshappen roots wrestled beneath the soil. This was a place of deep silence and brooding shadows, and the gods who lived here had no names.
But she knew she would find her husband here tonight. Whenever he took a man’s life, afterward he would seek the quiet of the godswood.
Catelyn had been anointed with the seven oils and named in the rainbow of light that filled the sept of Riverrun. She was of the Faith, like her father and grandfather and his father before him. Her gods had names, and their faces were as familiar as the faces of her parents.
Worship was a septon with a censer, the smell of incense, a seven-sided crystal alive with light, voices raised in song. The Tullys kept a godswood, as all the great houses did, but it was only a place to walk or read or lie in the sun. Worship was for the sept.
For her sake, Ned had built a small sept where she might sing to the seven faces of god, but the blood of the First Men still flowed in the veins of the Starks, and his own gods were the old ones, the nameless, faceless gods of the greenwood they shared with the vanished children of the forest.
At the center of the grove an ancient weirwood brooded over a small pool where the waters were black and cold. “The heart tree,” Ned called it. The weirwood’s bark was white as bone, its leaves dark red, like a thousand bloodstained hands. A face had been carved in the trunk of the great tree, its features long and melancholy, the deep-cut eyes red with dried sap and strangely watchful. They were old, those eyes; older than Winterfell itself. They had seen Brandon the Builder set the first stone, if the tales were true; they had watched the castle’s granite walls rise around them. It was said that the children of the forest had carved the faces in the trees during the dawn centuries before the coming of the First Men across the narrow sea.
In the south the last weirwoods had been cut down or burned out a thousand years ago, except on the Isle of Faces where the green men kept their silent watch. Up here it was different. Here every castle had its godswood, and every godswood had its heart tree, and every heart tree its face

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u/Financial_Library418 — 28 days ago
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Does this mean non humans can be linked to the weirwood network like Bloodraven ?

>

Bones,” said Bran. “It’s bones.” The floor of the passage was
littered with the bones of birds and beasts. But there were other
bones as well, big ones that must have come from giants and small
ones that could have been from children. On either side of them, in
niches carved from the stone, skulls looked down on them. Bran saw a
bear skull and a wolf skull, half a dozen human skulls and near as
many giants. All the rest were small, queerly formed. Children of
the forest. The roots had grown in and around and through them,
every one. A few had ravens perched atop them, watching them pass
with bright black eyes.

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u/Financial_Library418 — 28 days ago
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Did Ned make a mistake by not choosing Loras in your opinion ? How i the story changed if so ?

>

“When we left King’s Landing we were men of Winterfell and men
of Darry and men of Blackhaven, Mallery men and
Wylde men. We were knights and squires and men-at-arms, lords and
commoners, bound together only by our purpose.” The voice came
from the man seated amongst the weirwood roots halfway up the
wall. “Six score of us set out to bring the king’s justice to your
brother.” The speaker was descending the tangle of steps toward
the floor. “Six score brave men and true, led by a fool in a
starry cloak.” A scarecrow of a man, he wore a ragged black cloak
speckled with stars and an iron breastplate dinted by a hundred
battles. A thicket of red-gold hair hid most of his face, save for
a bald spot above his left ear where his head had been smashed in.
“More than eighty of our company are dead now, but others have
taken up the swords that fell from their hands.” When he reached
the floor, the outlaws moved aside to let him pass. One of his
eyes was gone, Arya saw, the flesh about the socket scarred and
puckered, and he had a dark black ring all around his neck. “With
their help, we fight on as best we can, for Robert and the realm.”

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u/Financial_Library418 — 28 days ago
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I had a fun idea for us while walking on the treadmill at the gym yesterday reading Bill James book . Let's make a team out of ex Red Sox who are active in MLB now . Can we make a team better than our last place edition ? I think so . Who am i missing ? Cue line from Bob Lobel now

Sale

Harrison

Devers

Kyle from Waltham

Bregman

Dubon

Teel ( IL )

Betts and Xander

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u/Financial_Library418 — 28 days ago

What is the most gruesome death you have seen in the books ?

>“There are ghosts here,” Bran said. Hodor had heard all the stories before, but Jojen might not have. “Old ghosts, from before the Old King, even before Aegon the Dragon, seventy-nine deserters who went south to be outlaws. One was Lord Ryswell’s youngest son, so when they reached the barrowlands they sought shelter at his castle, but Lord Ryswell took them captive and returned them to the Nightfort. The Lord Commander had holes hewn in the top of the Wall and he put the deserters in them and sealed them up alive in the ice. They have spears and horns and they all face north. The seventy-nine sentinels, they’re called. They left their posts in life, so in death their watch goes on forever. Years later, when Lord Ryswell was old and dying, he had himself carried to the Nightfort so he could take the black and stand beside his son. He’d sent him back to the Wall for honor’s sake, but he loved him still, so he came to share his watch.”
“There are ghosts here,” Bran said. Hodor had heard
all the stories before, but Jojen might not have. “Old ghosts,
from before the Old King, even before Aegon the Dragon,
seventy-nine deserters who went south to be outlaws. One was Lord
Ryswell’s youngest son, so when they reached the barrowlands they
sought shelter at his castle, but Lord Ryswell took them captive
and returned them to the Nightfort. The Lord Commander had holes
hewn in the top of the Wall and he put the deserters in them and
sealed them up alive in the ice. They have spears and horns and
they all face north. The seventy-nine sentinels, they’re called.
They left their posts in life, so in death their watch goes on
forever. Years later, when Lord Ryswell was old and dying, he had
himself carried to the Nightfort so he could take the black and
stand beside his son. He’d sent him back to the Wall for honor’s
sake, but he loved him still, so he came to share his watch.”

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