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Regarding Intellitrons

Its interesting how intellitrons gaining consciousness is never explained in HSR, Rupert I obtaining consciousness in a junkyard is never explained properly.

What we know is Rupert was thrown away by his creator or whoever made//owned him, and he gained consciousness afterward, he never had consciousness prior to that, only after being discarded and left rotting in junk did he gain a sense of self.

This abandonment is the reason he grew resentment over organic beings.

Assuming intellitrons just emerged conscious after humans have created hyper advance AI enough, this case of Rupert gaining consciousness is weird. Since he was practically rotting in junk when he gained consciousness or wasn't advance enough upon creation and only become advance after being tossed away. Even then we can't assume that intellitrons were just normal machines that become advance enough to be conscious since the explanation for it in hsr is left vague.

Maybe its the same way as how Ampho electrical signals gained consciousness and person hood? A treshold of intelligence for machines?

This is the strongest hypothesis so far that technology in hsr can somehow give rise to consciousness.

But that doesn't explain how or why? What technology allows for this? If this is the case why is Herta's dolls not conscious if they too are AI?

I assume even before the Mechanical City was established Intellitrons were already conscious and roaming around but a centralized seperate government from organics emerged long after.

Even then, intellitrons of old probably had creators but intellitrons like Pearl doesn't seem to have one. She never mentions having a creator she just comes from Planet Screwllum like everyone else

What do you guys think? I'm trying to form a coherent theory regarding intellitrons and their origin but theirs such little info, and the game never explains it properly. Its so odd how they just popped up mysteriously in the timeline, or maybe i'm missing something.

Its fascinating how until now i'm still confused by the scepters origin primarly because the things used to describe its origin is so self contradictory.

We know for a fact it used to be part of Nous body

We know it was a Scepter created by Rupert II and is the first Scepter made.

Yet, this two statements are so self contradictory since it either implies two things.

1.) It implies that the Scepter was created by Zandar and not Rupert since Zandar created Nous's body before ascending to Aeonhood, all of those wires and metals we see Nous presented as is Zandars creation and design yet Lygus a fragment of Zandar never claims to have created DeltaMe 13 yet this scepter is supposed to be part of Nous's original body?

2.) which i think is the most likely the possible solution to the issue, the Scepter was never part of Nous but after Rupert II created the Scepter system Nous absorbed the Scepters and connected it to their Main frame which is Nous's original true body, the one we see in the game and the one created by Zandar, so techniqually its true that it was a part of Nous chasis but it isn't originally supposed to be part of it, maybe perhaps because it was never ment to be part of Nous that Nous finds it so easy to discard it since they probably only took it to help solve some questions in their calculations.

We can't say that Zandar created the Scepters because Lygus never says it, but the game keeps saying the Scepter Delta Me 13 used to be part of Nous, unless somehow Rupert II is the one who created Nous which is impossible since Hoyo literally screams to us that Zandar is Nous creator.

If Scepter DeltaMe 13 was also part of Nous pre ascension body it would have to to predate Rupert II. Which then again is contradictary since Rupert II created the Scepter system

I also think this is why Lygus was yapping in AIW about how he thinks Nous was manipulating Rupert II to creating more cognitive power for THEMSELF.

What do you guys think?

Its so vague and it iritates me how Hoyo didn't adress this.

If you have any information to add or what side you support feel free to add it because this is literally something thats been bothering me from the Amphoreus storyline.

We know from Silverwolf's own dialogue that Aether Editing is from similar technologies as Imagenises yet, Aether itself is not something Aha has control over, and is actually associated with Mythus and THEIR Dark Zone, , according to Approaching Science: Mysterious Dark Zone Aether itself by nature is the domain of Enigmata, it is a projection of a higher dimensional structure into 3D, its anti causal nature represents Mythus own nature as an anti causal entity and the Aether Network was established on top of the Aether that has already existed in the cosmos. If Aether Editing is similar to Imagenisis wouldn't it be by nature fueled by Wishpower? Yet according to a readable about Wishpower, this energy is present everywhere but only tangible in Planarcadia via interaction with Elation path energy none of it mentions Punklorde having a similar system... So i assume, if what Silverwolf says holds true Punklorde should also have wishpower yet it is not the case?? It seems Aether editing is more Aether Network centric, yet Aether Editing is suppose to be a power from Aha?

my theory is just as Imagenisis is possibly a by product of a combination of Elation and Abundance energy, Aether Editing is a combination of Elation and Enigmata.

but what do you think? Punklorde itself feels confusing as it is.

This is just a question to clear my head about the Scepters origin, specifically Deltame 13 and many other scepters... How is it created by Rupert and a part of Nous body at the same time?

Like isn't Nous computer body created by Zandar like thats 100% certaine according to lore, Zandar would have been the one to create the scepters if they have always been part of Nous body acting as the neurons for the Astral Computer but Rupert 2 is the one who created it so whats the timeline here?

Or was the scepters really never truly part of Nous when they ascended and was incorporated into their network after Rupert 2 created it to help their calculations??

Or as Lygus says Nous manipulated fate/ Rupert 2 to create the scepters for their use?

I just need clarifications since the layers and layers of text and Lygus being Zandar's paranoia can be quiet a biased and unreliable narrator so info and data mixes up alot.

And Sim U is so long and hard to grind.