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(Short Survey) Building a new, non-Fandom HSR wiki: what do you like and dislike about the current one?
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(Short Survey) Building a new, non-Fandom HSR wiki: what do you like and dislike about the current one?

I'm Kami (Although I'm called xXFutabaSimpXx here~), and I've been building Erudition Index, a community wiki for Honkai: Star Rail that isn't hosted on Fandom. Now that I've finished ironing out the basics, I'd like to hear from the people who also use HSR wikis: what works for you, what bugs you, and what you'd want from a new one.

Survey (about 3–5 minutes, anyone can answer): https://tally.so/r/kdDEOo

  • Questions about the current Fandom wiki: what you like and what you don't
  • Whether you'd use (or edit) a wiki that isn't on Fandom
  • An optional part for lore and theory readers (r/StarRailLore folks)
  • An optional email field if you want a single message when the site launches. It's completely optional and will never be used for spam or anything else.

Transparency

Since a new wiki should earn trust, here's exactly how it's made:

  • AI use: The site is built with the help of Claude Opus 5.5, which I use only to help with coding, debugging and writing documentation. Every asset on the site is either official (from the game or HoYoverse) or commissioned (the logo is by the artist Shirenai, credited on the site, https://linktr.ee/Shirenai). No AI-generated art, and no AI-written lore.)
  • Built for Fandom editors: The wiki isn't MediaWiki. It runs on Next.js. But the editor, templates, section editing, keyboard shortcuts and other editing tools are made to work as much like MediaWiki as possible, so anyone who already edits on Fandom doesn't have to learn something new.
  • Licence and syncing: Wiki text is under CC BY-SA 3.0, the same licence as the Fandom wiki. Under that licence, the site syncs with the Honkai: Star Rail Fandom wiki every 3 days. Edits that people make on my site are never overwritten; when Fandom changes such a page, the update waits for an editor to review.
  • Credit, always: Every page that contains outside information credits its source right there on the page. Every community-made tool or resource I use is credited on my credits page. I will never, ever pretend something was made by me when it wasn't.
  • Only released content: Only released, official content: live game data, official announcements and Creator Server previews. No datamined beta files and nothing about unreleased content.

Thanks for reading, and thanks in advance to everyone who answers. I'll read every response, including the critical ones!

Edit: Added a missing ")" in the AI use paragraph

IMPORTANT EDIT: I forgot to clarify that I am one guy working on this but that I'm trying really hard for this project and just want to give something to the community. I'm currently studying Computer Engineering as a career and I value transparency above all. I will admit that I'm not that Knowledgeable on the website side of programming but I'm giving it my all to learn and won't present a project that I am not personally satisfied with, also, regarding AI usage, I am aware of security concerns regarding low quality vibe coded websites, I want to assure you all that security is the most important section in my roadmap, I fortunately have friends that study and work Cybersecurity, as well as friends that work in the AI space and with their help I am taking all the precautions that I can to strengthen the security of the site.

u/xXFutabaSIMPXx — 5 days ago

Phainon is not gonna be lord ravager of destruction and hsr already hinted towards it

Before y'all jump me , I have a theory about why phainon won't be lord ravager targeting destruction

To put it simply, parallels between phainon and nanook are different than parallels between an aeon and their lord ravager

A lord ravager is an aeons INVERTED picture, a mirror that shows not what they are but their paths failure

Phainon is a replica and imitation of nanook , not a failure of path of destruction

Each lord ravager ascends because that path failed them in some way , aelenev died even though she's a harmonic , zephyro lives because nihility failed to fully destroy him , asat is like that because he watched elation lose its meaning

Phainon doesn't have that relationship with destruction, even their personalities don't match because each lord ravager mimics the aeon they want to kill by their personalities for example lux bane being mindless just like voracity , archforge being THE person who crafts anti matter legion armies

I also want to point that lord ravagers are in some way a victim of that path

Although irontomb was destruction, originally before irontomb was even born spectre was erudition, chrysos heirs biggest enemy was lygus (erudition) who used pre irontomb spectre

Back to phainon himself , in the eternal page map you can interact with him and see for yourselves, phainon is NOT seeking to destroy destruction, he's much more curious about his new life as he tries to regain his sense of self and get back with his friends , he's trying out new hobbies and talking to mydei to go to library together instead of being focused on how he has to get the universe rid of destruction

Because Frankly that was never his goal , people seem to confuse phainons ULTIMATE goal

He never aimed at destruction anyway all he wanted was to save his friends and when time comes step off the stage and he did

Phainon walked away from destruction first chance he got because destruction although dangerous didn't play the role of biggest trouble in his personal life so he doesn't see value in burning himself more to chase after nanook

He was headed at direction of lord ravager of destruction but he stopped at edge and returned because of Cyrene and trailblazer showing up

Nanook didn't have someone (akivili)show up so they descended into destruction

And phainons element being physical is very intentional, asat does quantum damage for majority of his abilities

Just like aha who does quantum dmg (both nihilux and aha from SU)

There's also a reason why Cyrene gives phainon fire dmg, because being more in his khaslana form means descending more into destruction path and that's also why Cyrene buff causes him to take dmg every turn

This points at phainon returning from that path right at edge of line

For phainon destruction was a byproduct of his choice to stall cycles not solution OR outcome

If we get a lord ravager of destruction, they will be a victim of destruction itself or even maybe nanook himself just like how nanook was victim of swarm and emperors wars

They would be actually fire element and unlike phainon who fought and returned because they had EVERYTHING to fight for , they will have nothing but their resentment

They will be an inverted mirror of nanook , not a replicate version of nanook like phainon is

Btw this is all my personal opinion and what I understand when I look at parallels between lord ravagers and aeons

Phainon simply is not fit to be lord ravager of destruction because he's a far cry from mimicking nanooks personality and imo we will get someone else fulfill that role (if we even get one because nanook might never get a lord ravager targeting them and just self destruct)

u/Nagito_4351 — 5 days ago

what if nanook isn't the aeon of destruction, but change?

[insert proofs]

i dont really have anything to say here, js that entropy which is what nanook seems to control is not derecty destruction, but changes.

and also how bsc from crk is the beast of destruction, and his former self is the herald of change. so i think what if nanook's goal isn't pure destruction, but change

u/ItsLucaowo — 5 days ago

PREVIOUS AKIVILI IS THE NANOOK

Okay guys look I think I have a theory about previous akivili being nanook. I am not a theory crafter I am just a casual but I think I have some evidence to support my claim so

first point i mean just look at the colors of stella, astral express and Nanook the same gold and blackish colors.

Second point Asat pramad/iseer he was the biggest loyal nameless right before the fall of akivili so why is on destruction now? Probably because the previous akivili is the nanook and asat pramad is still just following him.

Third point aha stabbing nanook why would aha do that right i think aha did that because the previous akivili aha followed became the big bad guy and wouldn't turn back to a good guy so aha just stabbed him to stop from doing more destruction and nuke the universe.

Fourth point akivili was on the adalvin from where nanook ascended to aeon what a coincidence right I think not. it's not a coincidence previous akivili saw something that just made him turn against his own path and become destruction what he saw i don't know maybe saw aha drawing him pregnent or something. Also now that I remember kafka said that aeons can't go against their path but maybe there is some loophole to that.

Fifth point both are human shaped and human looking yeah that's it.

Sixth point if my memory is not wrong there is some line in the simulated universe like trailblazer in the name of destruction so I mean pretty obvious connection there if I am not wrong.

Seventh point in the amphoreus the world bearing path is supposed to be the same as trailblazing right and who was the previous world bearer before us phainon who became what the nanook of the amphoreus and as lygus said amphoreus is the microcosm of the universe.

That's all the points I have and for what happened to like the nanooks aka previous akivilis legs aha just ran him over with astral express and chopped off his legs.

u/Powerful_Mix_1634 — 6 days ago

Is Sigonia another Phantasmoon Games? A crackpot theory

We all know Aventurine and his story. How he comes from Sigonia and has incredible luck, how he was invited to the Tavern by the fools. We thought that was where his connection to the fools ended. At first.

With 4.6 we learned that Aventurine actually has control, or at the very least, can tip his luck to an outcome he wants. And which Lord Ravager has the ability to manipulate outcomes and reality to his desire? Asat Pramad. And which Aeon said that they were the "murderer of all certainty"? Aha.

Now this could've the end of it and a nod to Aventurine's power of luck originating from the Elation. But I looked back on Penacony and had a thought. Is Sigonia just another Phantasmoon Games?

I first recalled what Aventurine's sister had said about the Katicans. "Katicans are bloodthirsty, cruel, and* *insatiably greedy. They want everything, only to end up with nothing."

It's not enough damning evidence since they were the Avgin's enemies and it wouldn't be odd for his sister to say something bad about their sworn enemy. But I can't help but wonder.

Avgins have their own belief system and worship Gaiathra Triclops, who's said to reign over all matters related to fertility, travels, and trickery.

Trickery. Wasn't Trickery in Ampherous the simulated version of Elation?

They also believe that every part of the world is a part of the Mother Goddess and that her divine body would perish at the end of each calendar year and this would repeat over and over.

Which Aeon is stated to have a large appetite to have entire planets and star systems in their belly?

I also didn't forget that Sigonia was described as a barren and harsh planet, which is the very opposite of Abundance. But who's to say that Abundance has to be just plants? The Xianzhou plaguemarks bestowed by Yaoshi aren't all flora. Take the Crimson Moon of the borisin for example.

Who's to say that the Abundance in this place takes a different form or that maybe the Abundance has weakend which caused the barren wasteland of Sigonia and yearly cycle of death and rebirth of their Goddess?

My theory is that Sigonia isn't world with a Phantasmoon Games, but rather a world that operates so eerily similar with the cycles and celebration. The Katicans were tainted with Voracity which caused them to become bloodthirsty and Aventurine's luck wasn't from Gaiathra but from Aha heading the wishpower from the prayers of the Avgin to Gaiathra. Aha didn't bless Aventurine directly, but just threw a blessing down on a whim just to see where it would go.

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u/Basic-Development569 — 4 days ago

[4.6] My analysis of the story/ lore from this patch!

Nihilux’s Q&A

Nihilux’s “dancing in chains” analogy suggests her definition of Elation is “rebelling against cruelty”, as I said in my last theory. She tells us Nanook’s weakness too: THEMSELF. THEIR power might be turned on THEM somehow, though this approach could backfire. She uses he/him so I think she refers to who Nanook was before ascension: someone who resented his inability to save his home. She uses “he” for Akivili too. Maybe Aeons just know how the others self-identify?

She says she’s the Aha in Simulated Universe, which would explain Herta’s concern THEY keep becoming sentient. This includes the Aha who helped when Polka attacked in the Unknowable Domain event.

Asat said an Aeon sees THEIR fall when THEY ascend. Nihilux adds THEY experience the entirety of THEIR concept too – she became numb to joy, so no wonder she hates being an Aeon. THEIR first laugh was likely a cynical one, especially if the child THEY saw was THEIR future self, as Venpasa suggested given alt!Trailblazer’s prediction in 4.4:

A divine infant will fall to the mortal world. With its first cry, it will usher in an era of "madness" for the entire cosmos.

She says she put “Tayzzyronth on Oroboros’ menu,” then called Qlipoth for help. They were all involved in the Swarm Disaster, which makes me think the Aeons – or at least Aha – were always targeting Oroboros then; Tayzzronth was secondary. She names both the “beasts and swarm” as threats when recounting the Disaster to the Tavern later as well. She implies Aha and Oroboros ascended due to the “aftertaste” theft. She gave Oroboros “satisfaction” in exchange, but it didn’t last. Maybe THEY’VE sought it ever since, making them even more ravenous? (Thank Venpasa for this part too.)

According to her, there are 16 guesses about the Fourth Finality, but if you exclude the three confirmed Paths, there are only 15 left. She says Paths come and go and Asat says a new Path is forming in the husk, so there you go.

Finally, she says she wanted to help sooner, but her actions usually make things worse. Either because HooH tries to “balance” her good deeds or Elation is inherently chaotic.

Aha is Dead

Whether Oroboros ate Aha or the latter was assimilated into THEM, we knew Aha fell in Moonlit Tales; the Moon Knight was poisoned by the giant snake. THEIR Paths were entwined since their beginnings so them fusing makes sense. This fusion is likely what the mutated mask at the end is.

Both “Elation as hedonism” and Voracity are about greed, so could that be the new Path? Venpasa suggested “Desire” based on what the Fools say at the end.

Funnily enough, in 4.3 it was theorised in-universe Asat wanted to kill Aha by turning THEM from THEIR Path. In truth we might get the Path collision Kafka warned us about in 1.0. Alternatively, Nihilux will “evolve” Elation to be independent of Voracity, making it safer to remove the husk – for example, Elation could take authority over Wishpower.

An aspect of this new Path might be “chaos”, which would explain the apparent opposition from HooH. Not to mention Aventurine lost a coin toss, which is already bizarre, because the coin broke.

Yabuli, Kuchiba and Leviathans

We knew Wishpower came from Oroboros but the Life Science production lines imply all leviathans have it, since their flesh makes up imagenae cores. On Planarcadia, they’re drawn to imagenae when they form. On Astropolis, imagenae are artificially formed around them.

Leviathans store memories in their bodies which can be inherited, since Yabuli never asks for the oldest leviathans to dissect. Marcus was an attempt by Yabuli to create a human who could survive and understand leviathan knowledge by transforming his body with Abundance. This created the Herald of Death – Asat swapped in Shuhu’s flesh, but she knew the risk and let Marcus use it anyway.

The leviathan Asat sensed in 4.5 was cloned from Marcus’ body post-transformation (this is why Lighthouse could control it somewhat), so Yabuli’s experiment bore some fruit. She’d already fused with it, so him calling her a leviathan was also the truth. One of her boss attacks surrounds your team with giant eyes, so the eyes watching Kuchiba and Pearl’s conversation in 4.2 were Voracity, not Order as some thought.

Kuchiba is a leviathan’s descendant, which might be how she relearned “aftertaste”. She considers being patient enough to savor food “true Voracity”, which rings true given it was stolen from Oroboros. I like her misdirection early on, implying she cares about people as food, only to say later that they taste terrible and she just likes the joy they bring.

But she was “the devil in black” who tempted Nephea into staving the Weathering Curse off with atrocities, so she doesn’t have a clean track record. Maybe she was still learning to be human at the time. She said the husk might still be conscious, which explains it speaking to Trailblazer in 4.1: that wasn’t just a reflex action.

Other

  • Sampo is most likely Bragi, who was Enroute’s contemporary at the Tavern and resigned after he left – which would explain why he didn’t have his mask until after 2.0 (thanks again, Venpasa!) Nihilux entrusts the Planarcadians caught in Asat’s attack to Bragi because “he has a spare key to the tavern”; Sampo takes the civilians there. She says Bragi’s reliable; Sampo helps coordinate her anti-Oroboros plan. Someone she trusts so much would make a good Emanator - what is Sampo’s pistol rating again?
    • Sampo says he has a bad leg in the “Family Letter” readable. Bragi says he hurt his legs in the JP version of his resignation letter. This could just mean he’s tired, but if not… (Thanks, Atlas!)
  • Nihilux might have blown her cover by the end of the patch. Not counting her transformation, Asat knows who she is now, and Aventurine deduced Aha is on her gondola. Everyone acknowledges her as the leader of the Mourning Actors, so anyone who knows her origin story from Moonlit Tales could deduce her identity. If Sampo really is Bragi, he might know too.
  • She wrote Fluffy to store Wishpower for this moment. This combined with her knowing Evanescia and Yao Guang are fine implies a limited future foresight ability (though not as strong as Nous or Terminus’), but it also paints her dodging deadlines in a new light.
    • The Fluffy pages Evanescia showed in 4.0 showed the Express arriving in Planarcadia before it actually did too.
  • On top of outing Sampo, the Oroboros Stratagem Proposal plants some death flags for Aha, though they’re vague enough to imply Nihilux plans to evolve instead.
  • The reflected moon in the Courtyard is now the gondola, furthering Aha’s moon symbolism.
  • Since Evanescia’s mask was voided by her protecting the Elwood, Trailblazer gave her the drawn mask from 4.0. This means they’re either using Asat’s mask, or the one Nihilux gave them is a new Supplicant mask.
  • Nihilux said she stole “aftertaste” to give Qlipoth’s armies a chance to defeat Oroboros, suggesting THEY were a significant threat even pre-Ascension, and mortal Aha fought in the Dusk Wars.
  • It’s possible Asat’s vendetta was against the first Aha (the Moon Knight from Moonlit Tales), so he has no issues with Nihilux. He may even approve of her.

Smaller Points

  • The One-Eyed Owl Ashveil mentioned is a Galaxy Ranger trying to settle old scores with him, according to a 4.1 readable.
  • Kuchiba’s “when the story comes to a close” speech comes from the 2^(nd) Fate collab. The “great man” she quoted is Gilgamesh.
  • Yabuli’s cooperation is how Dr. Primitive almost wiped the Galaxy Rangers out on Vonwacq.
  • The Lord Ravager Remains Report confirms Asat suffers the Withering Curse, but his damaged cells regenerate.
  • Please please please have “About” lines for the Aeons, Nihilux.

Closing

A bit later than usual, but I hope everyone still likes reading these! Also I'd like to know if you'd watch/ listen a YT version of this. Either way, here's a to a great 4.7!

u/Theroonco — 5 days ago

˚.🦴 ᵎᵎ Aventurine; An Analysis

𓏵‧₊˚ ┊ Hey! This is my first in depth analysis so please bare with me! Thank you!

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To start, Relationships:

❦ Aventurines relationship with The Astral Express

Aventurine viewed the Astral Express as a necessary component of his plan. He understood their reputation: wherever major problems arose across the universe, they were the ones who inevitably appeared to resolve them. As followers of Akivili, they carried influence simply by existing, wanderers who shaped events through motion.

He made a deliberate effort to earn their goodwill, not out of genuine trust, but because he intended to use them later. In particular, he saw the Trailblazer as the perfect lure to draw out the one person capable of granting him “Death”: Acheron. Aventurine placed full faith in the Astral Express’s ability to attract attention, stir cosmic forces, and ultimately guide him toward the outcome he sought...

To him, their value was purely strategic. Nothing more, nothing less.

Aventurine’s interaction with Sunday is brief, but the question posed during the Harmony interrogation is revealing. Sunday asks him, “Do you hate and wish to destroy this world with your own hands?” Aventurine hesitates, then answers, “I don’t know.”

It’s a strange response, one that reflects the conflict inside him. By all accounts, he should feel anger, even a desire for revenge, after everything he endured. But what purpose would destruction serve? On one side, he survived a fate few ever escape, rose to power, gained influence, built an unmatched reputation, and carries a blessing of luck from Gaiathra herself. On the other, he lost everyone he loved and had to abandon his identity as an Avgin to stay alive. He’s said before that he loved his family more than he loved himself.

So would destroying the world justify his suffering? Would it prove that nothing he gained mattered? Would it make those who died before him proud? None of those answers are simple, and Aventurine knows it.

Later, when the question resurfaces, he finally responds in a way that aligns with how he’s always made decisions:

If the possibility appears face‑up on the die he rolls, then he’ll act...

❦ Aventurines relationship with Dr. Ratio

Ratio is a special case. In fact, he may be the only person Aventurine could genuinely consider a friend. The way Aventurine speaks to him resembles the dynamic between colleagues who not only work together, but actually trust one another. He’s noticeably more open with Ratio, asking for help, seeking advice, and revealing vulnerabilities he normally keeps hidden behind layers of charm and calculation...

Most telling of all, Aventurine shares his entire plan with Ratio, including the staged “betrayal.” For someone who guards his flaws so tightly, exposing that much is an extraordinarily bold move. Perhaps it’s because both men operate through calculated reasoning, each understanding the other’s methods.

Ratio may treat him harshly at times, joking that life was “peaceful and quiet” without him, but his actions show concern. Ratio isn’t cold; he’s logical, growth‑oriented, and perceptive. He understood the direction Aventurine was determined to take, even if he didn’t approve of it..

That’s likely why he left the note describing Aventurine’s “Death” not as a permanent end, but as a state of dormancy, a pause rather than a conclusion. It reflects a quiet faith that Aventurine, blessed with luck and stubborn enough to defy the odds, might find his way back.

❦ Aventurines relationship with Topaz, Jade and Acheron

Jade is a senior colleague Aventurine likely trusts. The fact that she offered him her Cornerstone Stone places her in the same category of trust as Topaz, perhaps even higher, given her rank and influence. She is the one who extended him a lifeline when he was at his lowest: a thick green thread in the depths of his abyss, giving him something to climb toward when he had nothing else. Her belief in his potential, and in the effectiveness of his schemes, is striking, though it’s unclear whether Aventurine truly sees her as someone he can rely on personally...

Their relationship remains largely unexplored, but the hints we do have suggest she may have known more about his plan than she ever stated outright. This is reinforced by the ending scene with Topaz, where both women imply they intend to continue the work Aventurine left behind. Whether this is out of loyalty, ambition, or shared understanding is uncertain, but it shows Jade’s involvement ran deeper than simple professional courtesy.

Topaz is a colleague Aventurine likely trusts, at least more than most. The clearest sign of their mutual confidence is that she entrusted him with her Cornerstone Stone, despite the risks and responsibilities that come with handing over such power. Even though she’s no longer his equal after her demotion following the Jarilo‑VI incident, Aventurine still treats her as one. He gives her a task meant to help repair her reputation, though he also uses that task as leverage to secure her Stone for his plan in Penacony.

Topaz doesn’t play a major role in Aventurine’s personal arc, but her caution around him is noticeable. When she arrives in Penacony, she speaks of him carefully to the Trailblazer, clearly aware of how dangerous and unpredictable he can be. It’s also possible she knew more about his intentions than she let on, something hinted at in the ending scene with Jade, where both women imply they will continue the work Aventurine began...

Aventurine’s relationship with Acheron is entirely shaped by necessity. He needed her for his plan to enter the state of “Death,” and he knew the most reliable way to draw her out was through the Trailblazer. Wherever the Trailblazer goes, trouble follows, and Acheron protects those she trusts. Aventurine gambled on that instinct, perhaps sensing she carried more power and insight than she openly revealed...

Their conversation in the dream‑void is one of the most striking moments in his arc. Acheron tells him that those who enter this realm eventually walk their own paths. It raises the question: if Aventurine returns, will he emerge with a new Path, one shaped not by the IPC or Preservation, but by his own heart?

Aventurine then asks her why people struggle against the fate of eternal sleep, when ordinary sleep is merely practice for the inevitable. Acheron gives him the closure he needs: the end may be certain, but how that end unfolds is what makes us fight. Her words validate his journey, suggesting that everything he has done, both in the past and now, carries meaning.

❦ Aventurines relationship with Sparkle

Sparkle is a complicated case. When Aventurine first proposes an alliance, she immediately insults him and tears down his identity, refusing to cooperate. Her jabs seem rooted in the stereotypes associated with the Avgin people, false assumptions she weaponizes for effect, but whether she means them seriously or is simply playing into her role as a Masked Fool is unclear...

Despite her initial hostility, Sparkle begins dropping hints about what’s really happening in Penacony and how Aventurine can reach his goal. She even offers her own chaotic method of sending him to “Death,” using a device built for mutual destruction.

Whether she does this hoping he’ll fail, wanting to throw Penacony into deeper chaos, or simply acting according to the unpredictable nature of a Masked Fool is impossible to say. With Sparkle, motives are never straightforward, and that’s exactly what makes her dangerous.

❦ Aventurines relationship with himself over time

His future, this version of him doesn’t appear until the real Aventurine is traveling through the amusement park alongside Kakavasha. “Aventurine” immediately acknowledges that reclaiming Penacony was a feat even he doubted he could accomplish alone. He admits he once tried to reach “Death” by ending his own life, but failed, leaving him with no choice but to rely on others, like a beggar grasping for an opportunity.

Aventurine doesn’t defend himself against this accusation, perhaps because he knows it’s true. In the beginning, he did have to depend on others to climb out of the impossible situation he was trapped in...

“Aventurine” also mentions that he was once invited to join the Path of Elation, a detail Sparkle confirms. But he rejected the offer. Despite having the potential to fit the Path, he knows deep down that Elation isn’t who he is. He isn’t someone who acts without reason or background. He has roots, painful, meaningful roots, that he’s deeply attached to, even if he tries to deny it. His actions are purposeful, not whimsical, and that sense of grounded intent disqualifies him from Elation entirely.

Later, “Aventurine” remarks that Opal would have used cheats to reach a conclusion faster than Aventurine. Aventurine bristles at the comparison. For a gambler, he’s surprisingly honest about his methods, he plays the game, but he doesn’t rig it.

Eventually, “Aventurine” leaves him with Kakavasha so he can face the end without regret. This raises the question: does Aventurine regret the choices that shaped his life? The answer is likely mixed. He suffered immense personal loss, yet gained power, stability, and a life far removed from the one he was born into...

All he can do now is live with the consequences of the luck he was given, and try to make the best of what that luck brought him.

Aventurine’s relationship with his past self, Kakavasha, is one of the most emotionally charged parts of his arc. When Kakavasha first meets him, he remarks that Aventurine has beautiful eyes. Aventurine doesn’t respond, remaining silent. The moment echoes his earlier line to Jade, where he joked that he would have sold his eyes if they could shine in the dark. It makes you wonder whether that silence comes from guilt; guilt over the idea of commodifying something so deeply tied to his identity, his heritage, and the place he once belonged to...

It’s especially interesting considering that in the Inherently Unjust Destiny trailer, his eyes do shine in the dark. Whether that detail carries malice, symbolism, or irony is unclear, but it adds weight to the moment.

Kakavasha himself is energetic, hopeful, and bright, a direct contrast to the Aventurine we know now. He represents the innocence Aventurine once had before it was taken from him. Yet this “innocent” version of himself also confronts him, urging him to acknowledge the desire he’s buried for so long: the longing to reunite with his family...

In the end, Aventurine reconciles with Kakavasha, reconnecting with the identity he abandoned to survive. He spends his final moments with this past self, ending with the blessing of Gaiathra, a symbolic closure between who he was and who he became.

Both his past self and his future self recognize the truth of who Aventurine is. He’s someone who laid himself down on the board the moment he became alone, someone who has lived entirely within life’s cycle of gains and losses. He lost everything, yet gained everything in return, and the price was himself.

Now, at the end of his path, he no longer needs to maintain the persona he built to survive. The masks, the charm, the calculated bravado, none of it matters where he’s going. So why not go out with a bang? From here on, it’s just him and the unknown

Next, His Lore:

❦ Aventurines generalized lore

Aventurine was born into a family of four on the desolate world of Sigonia‑IV, alongside his parents and older sister. His mother wept when she first held him, not out of joy, but out of sorrow that another child had been born into the unforgiving fate of the Avgin clan. Yet on the very day of his birth, rain finally broke through the long drought that had ravaged their land. To her, this was a sign. She believed her son had been sent by Gaiathra as a blessing, destined to deliver their people from suffering. She named him Kakavasha; Child Blessed by Gaiathra..

His father died before Kakavasha was old enough to wear the oversized shirt he left behind. His mother followed soon after, leaving only a necklace and a small charm she treasured. The necklace went to his sister; Kakavasha kept the charm close. His sister became the last of his family, the person he valued above all else. He often asked her why their people suffered so deeply if Gaiathra truly loved them. She told him their hardships were trials meant to strengthen them. But Kakavasha could not understand what wrong the Avgin had committed to deserve such pain, or why he alone was considered blessed..

When the Second Katica‑Avgin Extinction Event claimed his sister as well, Kakavasha became the sole surviving member of the Avgin clan. Alone and unprotected, he was sold into slavery for only 60 Tanba. Branded and forced into brutal survival games for his master’s amusement, he was treated as nothing more than a replaceable token, valuable only if he returned with more than he cost. This is where his fixation on luck began... If he truly carried Gaiathra’s blessing, then wagering himself for a chance at a better fate felt like the only path left. With no home and no family, risk became the only thing he had.

Eventually, Kakavasha killed his master and was brought before Jade for judgment. He asked for nothing except an audience with Diamond, priced at 30 Tanba. To him, this meant he had survived, earned his master’s payment, and needed only the remaining 30 Tanba to buy his freedom. Jade refused, explaining that Diamond rarely appeared. Instead, she offered him a different path: a new identity, a new life, and a place within the IPC. She told him to abandon Kakavasha and become Aventurine. Jade saw potential in him, sharp wit, a silver tongue, and a willingness to take risks when reward lay ahead. All the makings of someone who could thrive in the IPC’s world...

And so Aventurine emerged: a man who fought for his freedom through violence only to find himself bound again, stepping straight from the pan into the fire..

Aventurine has risen to prominence within the IPC, whether as a shrewd businessman or a loyal hound depends on who you ask. Any project placed before him, regardless of its condition, becomes a game he refuses to lose. Securing Penacony, once an IPC detention site, was an enormous undertaking given the Family’s control and the legacy of the Watchmaker. But the greater the obstacle, the more determined Aventurine becomes to topple it...

And those “chips” he speaks of? They’re not tokens, they’re people, ideas, secrets, and lies. Anything that can be bent toward advantage or weaponized into disadvantage. Aventurine gambles with everyone around him, including himself and his Stone, all in pursuit of the only proof he believes matters: worth measured through results..

His value was first quantified in currency when he was enslaved. Even though he’s no longer bound in chains, he remains trapped in the IPC’s world of profit and power, forced to continually demonstrate his usefulness. Now he’s a slave to influence, molding himself to fit a system that only acknowledges winners. Despite everything he’s achieved, satisfaction never comes. He keeps raising the stakes, chasing validation that never fills the void.

In Penacony, that façade cracks. Through his interactions and mannerisms, we see the vulnerable parts he hides, pieces I’ll expand on in the next section..

To ensnare Sunday and force him into accepting the condition of “Death,” Aventurine manipulates Dr. Ratio into leaking information and staging a false betrayal. He even shatters his own Stone, offering the fragments as “gift money,” while presenting a counterfeit jade Stone to complete the illusion. Bound by Sunday’s Harmony curse, Aventurine relives his past and confronts his future while wandering the amusement park.

Here, he’s forced to face the versions of himself he buried to survive the man who pretends he fears nothing, even loss. By the end, the Harmony marks fade as he reconciles his past and future selves, revealing his true intention: to die at the hands of Acheron, an Emanator of Nihility, the ultimate void..

It raises the question: if Nihility comes for all equally, is it also the embodiment of death itself?

Aventurine’s future self begins by tearing into him without mercy, laying bare every flaw, fear, and insecurity he’s tried to bury. He mocks him as a peacock, dazzling and flamboyant on the surface, yet clutching desperately at the things he holds dear beneath those brilliant feathers.

It’s here that the truth comes out: Present Aventurine still keeps a scrap of his father’s shirt. He still clings to his origins, his name, his home, his beliefs, his family. The constant dissatisfaction, the relentless chase to prove his worth, all stem from the void left behind when his identity was stripped away. He abandoned the vulnerable part of himself because vulnerability, in his world, is a liability. Anything you care about becomes a distraction, and distractions get you killed, or worse, make you lose...

To obtain “Death,” he must die himself. And death, to him, isn’t frightening because it’s an ending, it’s appealing because it promises reunion with the family he lost. It’s freedom without conditions. It satisfies the IPC’s goals by reclaiming Penacony, and it exposes the Family’s long‑buried secrets. On paper, it’s a perfect win.

So why is he afraid? It isn’t death itself, it’s the possibility that this might be the first gamble he loses...

Aventurine always says life is a long‑term investment, one that pays off if you make the right choices. But he’s never needed to make the right choices consistently, his blessed luck has always carried him. Yet what happens if that luck fails at the one moment he needs it most? If he dies and cannot return with the truth of “Death,” then the gamble is meaningless.

He might reach the void, but if he can’t come back with results, then he dies for nothing. No gain for the IPC. A stain on the career he fought to build. No true freedom in the afterlife, only regret that his final bet yielded nothing. He would look like a fool, someone who gambled blindly and lost. And for a man whose entire sense of worth is tied to results, one failure wouldn’t just be a setback. It would shatter the foundation of his methods, his beliefs, and the blessing he’s relied on his whole life...

But he still takes the risk. Because moving forward is all he knows how to do.

Aventurine walks the Path of Preservation, yet he also serves his own deity, Gaiathra. This alone makes his case unusual, because the only other character known to hold multiple paths is the Trailblazer. But that comparison only works if Gaiathra is an Aeon and based on everything we’re shown, she isn’t.

So who, then, is Gaiathra?

Well, Gaiathra appears to be a local divinity, a spiritual figure tied to Aventurine’s homeland rather than a cosmic Aeon. Her influence is personal, cultural, and ancestral, not universal. She grants blessings, but not the kind that define a Path. Aventurine’s “luck” comes from her, yet his Preservation comes from his own will, trauma, and the identity he forged after losing everything.

There are a few possibilities for what Gaiathra truly is. One theory is that she might be an extremely minor Aeon, one so small and localized that her influence never extended beyond Sigonia‑IV. Another is that she was once an Aeon who has since perished. But the idea of her being dead doesn’t fully align with the lore: the rain that fell on the day Aventurine was born, ending a long drought, suggests her presence was still active...

Of course, it could have been coincidence. Some sources imply she may be a myth, but that may simply refer to the stories surrounding her. Given how deeply rooted her worship is in Sigonian culture, it’s unlikely she’s purely fictional.

As for Aventurine “saving” his clan, salvation can take many forms. Freedom from suffering is still freedom. In that sense, death, the release of the soul from the burdens of the mortal world, could be seen as a kind of deliverance. Viewed through that lens, Aventurine did save his clan, just not in the way he would have wished.

His alignment with Preservation came from necessity. Accepting the IPC’s offer meant stepping into a system where climbing the corporate ladder was inevitable. His sharp wit, his appetite for high‑risk, high‑reward gambles, and the uncanny luck granted by his blessing made him stand out, enough to catch the eye of Diamond. As an Emanator of Preservation, Diamond grants Cornerstones to his elite SID operatives. Aventurine is one of the ten chosen, alongside figures like Topaz, Opal, and Jade.

But now that Aventurine has entered “Death,” he’s crossed into an unknown realm. While wandering the plane before meeting Acheron, we hear mention of “reuniting in the Kakava’s aurora,” implying that Gaiathra’s followers believe in reincarnation....

In this realm, Aventurine is no longer bound to Preservation. His Stone has shattered in the mortal world and no longer shines, proof that his connection to the Path has been severed. Drawn closer to Nihility and simultaneously closer to his cultural roots under Gaiathra, he stands at a crossroads.

What becomes of him now?

❦ Aventurines lore with Penacony

Aventurine was dispatched by the IPC to reclaim Penacony, a world originally built and run as an interstellar prison by the corporation. He quickly realizes that the Dreamscape the Family markets and the one players explore is a façade, not the true Penacony. Convinced the Family is hiding something, he wagers that a true Dreamscape death exists and that proving it would expose the Family and give the IPC decisive leverage.

Aventurine’s sole mission is to demonstrate that death can occur inside the Sweet Dream and make that fact undeniable. If he can prove a Stoneheart can truly die there, the IPC gains a bargaining chip to challenge the Family’s control. He has already tried to kill himself in the Dreamscape and always woke up in the real world, so he bets his life on a different route: that Acheron, an Emanator of Nihility, can deliver the kind of obliteration that will bypass the Harmony’s safeguards and send him beyond the Dreamscape...

To pull this off, Aventurine must get a Cornerstone into Penacony. Cornerstones draw power from Diamond and enable the Ten Stonehearts to wield great strength. He stages a ruse with two bags: one advertised as containing Topaz’s Cornerstone and the other filled with fake jewels that secretly hold his own shattered Cornerstone and Jade’s stone. He submits both to the Family intending to walk away with the real shard hidden among the fakes.

That plan appears compromised when Ratio leaks the scheme to Sunday and both stones are confiscated. In the Theme Park sequence it becomes clear the seized stone is Jade’s, not Aventurine’s. Aventurine was already a step ahead, having shattered and hidden his Cornerstone earlier. In the end he retains Topaz’s and Jade’s stones and the hidden shard he needs.

On the Astral Express at the theme park, Aventurine stages a dramatic threat to destroy the Trailblazer’s Stellaron and blow up Penacony. He leans on his reputation for never losing a bet and on the luck blessing from the Gaiathra Triclops. The spectacle is designed to force Acheron to intervene. Aventurine cannot reach the true Penacony by ordinary means, so he needs Acheron’s obliteration to produce a public, undeniable death that the Family cannot spin away.

Acheron’s power does not kill in a conventional sense. Her strike reduces beings to nothing, erasing memory and existence because Nihility is absolute erasure. Her intervention leaves a permanent scar on the Dreamscape and reveals the layered nature of Penacony.

Aventurine’s gamble guarantees a win for the IPC in either case. If Acheron’s obliteration truly sends him to the real Penacony, the IPC gains direct access and the leverage to reclaim the world. If no separate true Penacony exists, the public, unspinnable death still proves that death can occur in the Sweet Dream and that a Stoneheart can be erased there. That revelation alone shatters the Family’s narrative and hands the IPC a decisive political and moral advantage. Either way, Aventurine’s bluff succeeds and his reputation for never losing a bet remains intact.

Aventurine needed to undergo a death capable of slipping past the safeguards of the Harmony, and he needed that death to be public, undeniable, and impossible for the Family to conceal. The issue is that Acheron’s “blade” doesn’t kill in the conventional sense. Being struck by her is simply annihilation: Nihility reduces existence to nothing, and “nothing” means the end of life, the end of death, and the end of memory.

This is why Aventurine’s final vision takes place on the lake at the edge of a black hole. Life, no matter how vast, eventually flows into oblivion. His story is tragic, but it also shows why he understands Acheron. Throughout Penacony’s narrative, we see how Nihility erodes her being. She isn’t blessed to be its emanator, she’s consumed by it. The only way she can remember anything is by drawing her sword, the medium that absorbs all things and sends them into oblivion. She admits her memories are fading, her emotions are dulling… she has become the vessel of absolute zero. This is why the Family calls her the Self‑Annihilator of Nihility.

The Family’s reaction reflects this fear. They threaten Acheron directly and even prepare to self‑destruct to force her out. As Acheron herself notes, they don’t say they might do it, they say they will. They know they cannot win, but they are willing to lose everything because Aventurine’s act already doomed their gambit. Acheron leaves only because she understands the scale of collateral damage her presence would cause...

Her strike on the dreamscape leaves a permanent scar of nothingness. She doesn’t slice the dream from reality; she simply creates a wound where existence fails to persist. That scar reveals Penacony’s three layers:

the Sweet Dream,

the Watchmaker’s constructed Penacony,

and the true Penacony of the waking world.

Gallagher even comments that the Sweet Dream is just another prison... I love Gallagher.. uhm, anyway-

Aventurine didn’t need a “true death” to reach the real Penacony. He needed to prove that death existed inside the Sweet Dream, and he knew he was going to die regardless. His annihilation was the one death the Family could not hide or rewrite. In the end, the gamble was lost from the start: sometimes, to win, you must first lose catastrophically.

Aventurine keeps his cornerstone in his singular earring, he never actually hides it in the bag. Whether he told Ratio this from the beginning is deliberately ambiguous, but it doesn’t matter: Ratio still ends up with the truth about the Stellaron..

The deeper context comes from Aventurine’s past. The IPC’s betrayal of the Avgins, revealed through the Sigonia planar set and Penacony’s main quest, explains why Aventurine despises them. The IPC let the Avgins be slaughtered by the Katakins, then wiped out the Katakins and claimed the planet. Aventurine was enslaved, and after killing his master, he met Jade. She intended to execute him, until he gambled that Diamond would make him a Stoneheart instead.

Even after becoming a Stoneheart, Aventurine and the IPC are not allies. The reason he was chosen for the Penacony assignment is simple: he’s expendable. Whether he succeeds or fails, the IPC can afford to lose him. He’s a political bargaining chip..

When Aventurine meets Sunday, he receives the Harmony’s death sentence: 17 system hours left to live. He must uncover the truth of Penacony before the clock runs out.

But Ratio points out something even harsher in the 2.0 quest:

Without his cornerstone, Aventurine is just a slave marked for death by the IPC.

So he’s being hunted by both the Family and the IPC.

This is why his answer, "freedom," means different things depending on who asks:

To Sunday, freedom means escaping the Family’s control.

To Ratio, freedom means escaping the IPC’s ownership.

Both interpretations are true, but neither captures the full picture.

Aventurine’s true gamble is a four‑part existential bet:

Is true death possible inside the Dreamscape?

Can Acheron grant a “real” death, one that bypasses the Harmony’s safeguards?

Will annihilation remove the Harmony’s death clock?

Will this sever the IPC’s claim on him?

If any answer is “no,” Aventurine dies, either by the Harmony, by the IPC, or by Sunday’s machinations.

It’s an all‑or‑nothing wager.

But if he wins?

He achieves the one thing he has never had: freedom.

Not freedom for the IPC.

Not freedom for the Family.

Freedom for himself.

The IPC’s success becomes a side effect, not the goal. Aventurine’s real objective, having been to escape every chain placed on him since Sigonia.

I did also post this on Hoyolabs, so if it seems familiar, it is not copied it is still my content!

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[MAJOR SPOILERS FOR HSR 4.0–4.6] Aha = Nihilux? The Original Actor, the meaning of the mask, and the REAL story behind Planarcadia's ending

This is a deep-lore theory, so yes, this is going to be a long post. If you genuinely want to understand what I'm trying to connect, please read until the end before judging the theory.

I've been thinking about Planarcadia since the beginning, and after everything we've learned about Nihilux, Aha, Asat Pramad, and Voracity, I believe there is a much deeper story underneath the carnival aesthetic than some people might realize.

My main argument is that Nihilux isn't simply a disguise that Aha wears to deceive everyone. She may be the form through which Aha deliberately chooses to experience existence, interact with mortals, and rediscover Elation.

I also think the conflict with Voracity could be connected to Aha's changed condition, the importance of Wishpower, and the recurring idea that whenever Aha attempts to change something, something else goes wrong.

Some points below are grounded in the story, while others are my interpretations and predictions. I'm not claiming every part is confirmed. I'm connecting the clues and trying to understand WHY the writers presented the story this way.

1. Aha and Nihilux: The identity reveal is only the beginning

The 4.6 reveal establishes the foundation of this discussion: Nihilux identifies herself as Aha, the Aeon of Elation.

But for me, discovering her identity doesn't end the mystery. It creates a much bigger question:

If Nihilux is Aha, WHY does Aha need or want to experience the world through Nihilux?

Throughout Planarcadia, Nihilux doesn't behave like a character whose only purpose is to hide her identity. She participates in events, interacts with the Trailblazer, expresses personal interests, enjoys Planarcadia, and engages with the world in ways that make her more than a simple plot twist.

Her attachment to Planarcadia is especially interesting. She doesn't seem to treat it merely as a disposable stage. There is a personal dimension to her involvement.

This connects to the recurring idea that Aha can no longer experience Elation in the same way as before, including the questions surrounding Aha's ability to laugh.

If Aha is already the Aeon of Elation, yet cannot experience Elation as before, then perhaps the problem isn't a lack of power.

Perhaps being the embodiment of a Path and personally experiencing that Path are not the same thing.

That's the foundation of my theory: Nihilux is Aha's meaningful manifestation or persona, allowing Aha to participate in existence in a more personal way.

2. "The First Fool" and "The Original Actor": Why the theatrical language matters

One of the most important titles associated with Nihilux is:

"The first Fool, and the original Actor."

I don't think we should dismiss this as merely theatrical wording that fits Planarcadia's carnival setting.

Let's consider both parts.

The First Fool: This title gives Nihilux a unique position in the history and identity of Elation. It raises questions about her relationship with Aha and what it means to be a Fool when the Aeon of Elation is Aha herself.

The Original Actor: This is the part that interests me most.

An actor can perform multiple roles without becoming a completely different person every time. The costume, name, and character change, but the actor remains behind the performance.

Apply that metaphor to Aha.

What if the story is teaching us to distinguish between the being behind a role and the identity through which that being acts?

That would make the mask more than a disguise. It could be a means of expression and participation.

The comparison between identities such as the Trailblazer/Akivili and Nihilux/Aha, framed through the idea of wearing masks while remaining one, also fits this theme. It doesn't necessarily prove that every identity operates through exactly the same mechanism, but it reinforces the importance of the relationship between identity and appearance.

I also think Bea, the other IPC-associated identity connected to this discussion, deserves consideration alongside the mask motif.

My interpretation is that Aha can be the underlying being while different personas serve as roles through which Aha interacts with the universe. The exact mechanics of those identities still need to be distinguished from the broader symbolism.

3. Why would an Aeon deliberately limit itself?

This is probably the most important question in my entire theory.

If Aha is already an Aeon, why not simply appear as Aha and use Aeon-level power?

My answer is that power and experience are two different things.

An all-powerful being might be able to influence the world, change circumstances, or determine the outcome of a conflict. But that isn't necessarily equivalent to living alongside the people affected by those decisions.

There is a difference between controlling a performance and participating in it.

If Aha can no longer experience Elation normally, then perhaps taking on a more limited identity allows Aha to experience uncertainty, interaction, adventure, and the consequences of personal choices in a way that simply acting as an unrestricted Aeon would not.

This is also why I compare the idea philosophically to a divine being choosing to enter mortal existence. The comparison isn't meant to claim that HSR is literally retelling a religious story. It is about a being retaining its underlying identity while accepting limitations in order to experience life from another perspective.

I am not claiming the game has explicitly explained every limitation of Nihilux's form. Rather, I think this interpretation gives a purpose to the choice of identity.

Nihilux may not be evidence that Aha has simply become weak. She may be evidence that Aha has chosen a different way to experience existence.

4. Why Aha cannot simply solve everything: Wishpower and participation?

This connects directly to the conflict with Voracity and the importance of Wishpower.

The story gives Wishpower a significant role in the plan against Voracity. That raises an interesting question: if Aha is an Aeon, why does the conflict involve the participation and contributions of others instead of simply being resolved through a direct display of Aeonic power?

I think the distinction between an Aeon acting alone and an Aeon participating alongside others is important.

If Aha's goal were merely to overpower an enemy, then the emphasis on the participants would need to be understood primarily as a means to that end.

But if Aha also wants to experience Elation through participation, then their involvement has a second meaning.

They aren't merely watching Aha do everything. They are part of the unfolding experience.

This could explain why Nihilux's chosen form matters even if Aha possesses enormous power. The point may not be to avoid using power altogether, but to participate in a way that gives the others a meaningful role.

I also wonder whether Wishpower is thematically connected to collective desires and Elation itself.

I'm not claiming that Wishpower has been definitively explained as literal Elation, or that it is confirmed to restore something Aha lost. Those are open questions.

However, the combination of Wishpower, the participants, and Aha's involvement makes me wonder whether the story is exploring a relationship between collective participation and Aha's ability to experience Elation.

5. Voracity and Aha: Is this more than an ordinary rivalry?

Now we reach one of the biggest mysteries.

Aha and Oroboros, the Aeon of Voracity, have a significant connection, and their conflict is central to the larger Planarcadia storyline.

The imagery and references involving consumption, Aha's head, and Voracity raise questions about what may have happened between these two Aeons.

My theory is that Voracity's relationship with Aha may involve more than a conventional rivalry.

Could Voracity have consumed or taken something significant from Aha?

Could that explain why Aha's relationship with Elation and laughter has changed?

Could the current conflict be about reclaiming something rather than simply defeating an enemy?

These questions are worth exploring, but I want to be clear: the exact claim that Voracity consumed a specific fragment of Aha's Path or authority remains a theory unless the relevant in-game dialogue explicitly confirms it.

If something meaningful was taken from Aha, then the conflict could be personal on multiple levels.

Aha may want to confront Voracity because of their history, while Nihilux's participation could also reflect Aha's desire to experience Elation again.

Those motivations aren't mutually exclusive.

I also wonder whether the interaction between Elation and Voracity could have consequences for the Paths themselves. That is a prediction, not a confirmed outcome, but the connection between the two Aeons makes it an interesting possibility.

6. Asat Pramad, Aha's condition, and the possibility of continuity

Asat Pramad's account is another important piece of the puzzle.

Whenever a character describes what happened to an Aeon, I think we need to distinguish between what that character witnessed or believes and what the story establishes as objectively true.

That doesn't mean we should dismiss Asat's account. It means we should examine the exact wording and context.

If Asat describes Aha as having disappeared, died, or ceased to exist in the way Aha once did, we should ask what that statement actually establishes about Aha's present identity.

Could an earlier manifestation or state of Aha have disappeared while Aha continued through another identity?

Could something have changed about Aha without the underlying identity simply ceasing to exist?

These are questions, not established conclusions.

But they matter because the relationship between Aha's past and Nihilux's present identity is precisely what the mask and Actor imagery invites us to examine.

The earlier Simulated Universe encounter also deserves consideration here. If Nihilux later connects herself to the Aha encounter from earlier in the game, that gives the reveal a retroactive dimension.

It suggests that the connection between Nihilux and Aha may have been established before the final reveal made its meaning clear.

Instead of treating Nihilux as a completely new mystery, we can reconsider the earlier encounter in light of what we learned in 4.6.

7. The recurring "something goes wrong" clue and the possible connection to HooH

One detail I keep coming back to is the recurring idea that when Aha tries to change something, something else goes wrong.

At first glance, this fits Aha's chaotic personality. But what if it also points toward a deeper theme?

There is a difference between deliberately causing chaos and attempting to change a fundamental outcome only to discover that the consequences are not what you expected.

This made me think about HooH, the Aeon of Equilibrium.

Could the recurring consequences of Aha's actions be related to a broader principle of balance? Could changing one thing affect something else? Could an attempt to avoid one outcome create another problem?

I wonder whether Aha's desire to change things runs into limits that cannot simply be ignored.

If so, this might help explain why Aha would be cautious about acting directly as an unrestricted Aeon.

However, I want to emphasize that I am not claiming HooH has been confirmed as the cause of Aha's problems. This is a possible thematic connection between Aha's actions and the concept of Equilibrium.

It is an interesting direction to investigate, not a fact I would use as the foundation of the entire theory.

8. Aha's design, the mask imagery, and the carnival's hidden meaning

Aha's visual design is another detail worth considering.

Aha's Aeonic appearance is unusual, with a large humanoid form surrounded by masks rather than a conventional human face and head.

When we place that design alongside the lore involving Voracity and the imagery of Aha's head being consumed, it is natural to ask whether there is a deeper connection.

Could the design reflect something that happened to Aha? Could the contrast between Aha's Aeonic form and Nihilux's humanoid identity carry symbolic meaning?

The design alone cannot prove a specific explanation, but it deserves to be considered alongside the narrative.

This also connects to the carnival itself.

Planarcadia's colorful aesthetic can make it appear like a lighthearted setting, but a carnival is also a place of costumes, performances, illusions, games, and carefully constructed experiences.

What the audience sees isn't necessarily the whole story.

That makes the setting particularly appropriate for Aha. Beneath the entertainment, the story explores identity, cosmic power, the consequences of changing things, and the relationship between an Aeon and the people living within the universe.

The carnival may not merely be a backdrop. Its theatrical language could be part of the framework through which the story explains Aha.

9. The ending's visual reveal: The mask does not make Nihilux fake

This is the part I most want people to consider.

When Nihilux's identity is revealed, it is tempting to interpret the scene as a simple unmasking:

"The character we knew was only a disguise. Now the real character has appeared."

But I think that reading misses an important distinction.

A reveal that exposes the identity behind a mask does not automatically mean everything the character did while wearing that mask was false.

Nihilux's actions still happened. Her interactions with the Trailblazer still happened. Her attachment to Planarcadia still matters.

The reveal changes how we interpret those events, but it doesn't erase them.

Think about the theatrical metaphor again. An actor can remove a costume at the end of a performance, but that doesn't mean the performance never happened.

If Nihilux is the identity through which Aha participated in Planarcadia, then the ending doesn't replace one character with another. It reveals a new way of understanding the character we have already been following.

The mask can conceal identity while also allowing the person behind it to participate in the world.

That is why I believe the ending is more than a surprise reveal.

It answers the question, "Who is Nihilux?" But it also opens the much bigger question, "Why did Aha choose to be Nihilux?"

The visual reveal can be misleading if we interpret the removal of the mask as proof that the persona was meaningless.

The mask was hiding the identity, but it may also have been the form through which that identity was genuinely experienced.

10. Putting everything together: What I think the story is telling us

Here is how I connect the major pieces.

- Aha is the Aeon of Elation, but the story raises questions about Aha's relationship with laughter and the experience of Elation.

- Nihilux identifies herself as Aha, and the story repeatedly emphasizes masks, acting, and identity.

- The titles "First Fool" and "original Actor" reinforce the importance of roles and the identity behind them.

- Nihilux's behavior and attachment to Planarcadia suggest that her identity is meaningful beyond simply concealing Aha's name.

- Wishpower and the involvement of other participants suggest that the conflict with Voracity is not presented merely as an effortless display of Aeonic power.

- The history between Aha and Voracity may explain why Aha's present condition is different from what we might expect, although the exact nature of what Voracity took remains uncertain.

- Asat Pramad's account, the earlier Simulated Universe encounter, Aha's design, and the recurring consequences of Aha's actions may provide additional clues.

- HooH and Equilibrium may be relevant to the consequences of changing fundamental outcomes, but that connection remains speculative.

- The ending's reveal gives us a new way to interpret Nihilux's earlier actions rather than necessarily making her entire existence a fake performance.

My central theory is this:

Aha may be choosing to experience existence through Nihilux rather than merely exercising power over existence as an Aeon.

That interpretation connects the identity reveal, the theatrical language, Nihilux's behavior, Wishpower, and the conflict with Voracity.

It doesn't prove every part of my theory, but it provides a coherent explanation for why these elements might belong in the same story.

I am not claiming every hypothesis here is canon. I'm trying to understand the underlying logic behind the clues the writers have given us.

The question isn't only "Who is Nihilux?"

It's "Why did Aha choose to be Nihilux, and what does that choice tell us about Elation itself?"

11. Q&A — Questions people may have about this theory

Q: Are you saying Nihilux is a completely separate person from Aha?

No. My theory starts from the identity reveal. I'm interpreting Nihilux as a meaningful manifestation or persona of Aha, not as an unrelated person who simply impersonates the Aeon.

Q: Is the idea that Aha deliberately limited herself confirmed?

Not every detail. The identity reveal is the foundation, while the explanation that Nihilux allows Aha to experience life differently is my interpretation of the character's behavior and the story's themes.

Q: If Aha is an Aeon, why would she need Wishpower?

The story makes Wishpower important to the plan against Voracity. My theory is that its significance may connect to collective participation and Elation, but I am not claiming its complete metaphysical function has been confirmed.

Q: Did Voracity literally eat Aha's power or part of the Path of Elation?

That is a hypothesis I want to investigate, not a conclusion I would present as confirmed without explicit supporting dialogue. The connection between Aha and Voracity makes the question worth asking, but the exact nature of what may have been consumed remains important.

Q: What does HooH have to do with Aha?

I am exploring a possible thematic connection between Aha's attempts to change things and the idea of Equilibrium. I am not claiming that HooH has been confirmed as the cause of the consequences Aha experiences.

Q: Does "the original Actor" prove that Bea and Nihilux are both Aha?

Not by itself. I interpret the title alongside the identity reveal and the wider mask imagery. The precise relationship between individual personas needs to be supported by the relevant dialogue rather than inferred from the title alone.

Q: What if Asat says Aha died or disappeared?

Then we should examine exactly what he says and what his account establishes. I am not dismissing Asat's perspective; I am asking whether it fully explains Aha's present identity and the relationship with Nihilux.

Q: Isn't this just overthinking the reveal?

Maybe it is a lot of analysis, but the purpose is to understand why the reveal was written this way. Discovering who Nihilux is answers one question. It doesn't automatically answer why Aha chose this identity or what that means for the larger story.

Q: What if some parts of this theory are wrong?

Then those parts should be revised when we get better evidence. My goal isn't to claim that every prediction is correct. It's to connect the available clues, distinguish confirmed information from speculation, and understand what the writers might be building toward.

Final question: What is the strongest part of this theory?

For me, it is the distinction between identity and experience.

Aha being Nihilux explains who she is. The theatrical language, Nihilux's behavior, and the importance of Elation raise the deeper question of why Aha chose to experience the world through this form.

That is the part I most want to discuss with other lore readers.

u/Away-Ad1314 — 6 days ago

Asat Pramad's script can still come true

Does anyone still remember what happened in 4.2?

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In the scene with Asat Pramad and Silverwolf, he mentions having a friend who inspires others and that there was a script that silverwolf will offer up Aha's head to Asat Pramad and this friend. Who is this friend??

It seemed like a possibility that will never come to pass since Asat Pramad is defeated, but with the latest events of 4.6, isn't it possible that this 'script' can still happen?

After all, they are heading to fight the Voracity with Asat Pramad and Aha's head is RIGHT THERE. It probably isn't what Asat Pramad expected at all, but maybe this is foreshadowing of what is going to happen.

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u/Demonicstar80 — 6 days ago

Everybody got distracted by Aha that they forgot about Harmony

As the title suggests, the recent revelation was something I thought of in the past but never really lingered on too much since it was purely hypothetical.

But ever since then, it has confirmed some of my suspicions and made me realize some new theories.

One of them is the ascension of Xipe.

That’s right. Harmony was originally a path that ascended during the time of the Swarm Disaster and eventually devoured the Path of Order.

But what if that isn’t the case?

Actually, I think so too.

But how?

  1. Ena is a scheming control freak

Ena is an ancient Aeon that is on par with Qlipoth. Dubbed the “Ultimate Control Freak,” there’s no way in hell that Ena would have willingly let THEMSELF be assimilated by Xipe.

>“I am filled with curiosity about how THEY swallowed up Order. The hymns of Xipe continue to spread and grow, occasionally overseen by ideology. In contrast, Ena’s harmonic songs seem to align within a three-dimensional framework, akin to an emperor maintaining hierarchical order among all creatures. While there may be some overlap between THEIR Paths, the ancient Order is enormous in size, and swallowing THEM would prove far from effortless… Among the Aeons, there exist countless enigmas that surpass my own speculations.”

Which means that it was either a scheme or just an accident that led to that.

However, Ena was considered the strongest during the Swarm Disaster because people kept praying to THEM.

“Tayzzyronth’s unending propagation and the expansion of the concept of propagation threatens the Paths of Order, Trailblaze and Equilibrium. The Path of Order also reached its peak, as people pray towards Ena.”

  1. Ena is Aha’s friend

I don’t think many people realize this since I haven’t seen much fanart between these two. To whoever is reading this, please make some.

But the DU lines have said these things. They’re probably forgettable since the main story has not acknowledged them so far.

>Aha: "Everything I do is to help Ena!" Aha claps while roaring with laughter. THEIR ball and poker cards hug each other. "Aha has always been helpful. It's my pleasure to help other Gods..." Then, Aha turns THEIR gaze to you.

>Aha: "Hi, Akivili! You play the ball well. ♥" Aha starts complimenting you, "Since you're an expert in playing the ball, could you tell me who made it? Oh, hold on. THEY are coming. Let us put our hands together and salute the great one!"

>Xipe: THEY are coming? While you are still confused by what Aha said, a grand parade begins all of a sudden. Your surroundings turn boisterous and lively, but you start screaming in silence. A warm current stirs within you as tens of thousands of eyes gently gaze at you invitingly.

>Xipe: You believe that rainbow-colored ripples stir to life between THEIR fingers. Your emotions are soothed as you navigate through the puzzle pieces and the multiple facets and ideologies of modernity. You believe you are in THEIR arms, and you have become one of the children of this united will! You hesitate slightly, yet you cannot resist, and even yearn for more of THEM and THEIR embrace...

>Xipe: Akivili / The Trailblaze. Is that you? We thought you were dead / missing. Countless destinies / histories have shaped the universe's trajectory / direction. We nearly believed / judged that you had become its nourishment / footnote.

>Xipe...!/You do have/many faces

>Simulated Universe: Who doesn't?

>It's me!/It's you!/It's THEM!/It's everyone!

>Simulated Universe: No, you're Akivili!

>Aha: "Oh, the mother of all stars!" Aha starts the compliments, but the words make you uncomfortable. "As long as what you want to do is fun enough, even if it's a baton game! Changes happen rapidly. We were still negotiating last time, but this time, Ena already became you. It's a shame, my friend! But I must say Ena makes you look even better."

>Herta: "Okay... stop. I'm not surprised to see Order being assimilated by Harmony." Herta spreads her hands. "But I just don't know when it happened. Could the disappearance of the Order be related to the battle among Aeons? Ahhh, The Family doesn't say a single word about it... I'd really like to meet Ena again, although THEY are a bit rigid. Oh, (Trailblazer), if I have to tell someone about this gossip, I'd say Xipe, Aha, and you have come together because of Tayzzyronth!"

>This excerpt is really hinting that something happened between these two that has not been revealed yet.

>But as a sort of refresher, Ena made a deal with Qlipoth in which Qlipoth would deal with the Swarm, and Ena would deal with Qlipoth’s archnemesis, the Voracity.

>Herta: "Did you hear that?" Herta claps her hands excitedly. "The Order has extended an invitation to the Preservation! Tayzzyronth was put to death by the joint efforts of all Aeons! Qlipoth's response is intriguing. It seems like Qlipoth has a secret deal with the Order, and I'm eighty percent sure it is related to Oroboros! As far as I know about Ena's character, THEY could not tolerate any disorder."

Which brings us to what I inferred based on this information:

During the war against Voracity, Aha and Ena tried to deal with Oroboros.

Then Aha somehow defeated Voracity through its own games but was unable to truly kill it.

So, he chopped up its primum mobile, then turned it into a much less threatening thing: wishpower.

He scattered its body across the cosmos and sealed it.

Then somehow founded a looping cycle to keep them at bay.

But so much for that; it is another topic to discuss.

But we will focus more on Ena rather than Aha.

Assuming that Ena really did help Aha deal with the Voracity through unknown means…

What did Ena really gain from this? And how could THEY say that THEY would deal with the Voracity?

If Ena really did use Aha to deal with the Voracity, I think that’s just a shallow reading of it because it doesn’t logically explain what Ena was really doing during those times.

Then I came across another DU story that intrigued me:

>Divergent Universe: "Don't sweat the details. Anyway, my best friend and I were armed to the teeth, and infiltrated the cave on behalf of the village to hunt a giant wolf, fantasizing about earning everyone's approval."

>Divergent Universe: "The decennial hunt begins amidst the singing of a troupe from afar. Offer the vile beast's head to the deity, and the village shall know ten years of peace."

>Divergent Universe: "In the darkness, I heard the wild beast howling. It tore at my arms, my shoulders... even when I fired a bullet straight into its eyes, it was all for naught."

>Divergent Universe: "I nearly lost my mind back then. I cast aside my humanity, gnawing on that formless monstrosity... until the call of my best friend came to my ears."

>Where was your friend just now?

>Was that really a wolf?

>You're still alive. That's enough to prove...

>Divergent Universe: "I ignited the torch. He, clad in wolf skin, was becoming one with the monster's corpse."

>Divergent Universe: "In that moment, I saw the truth. The giant wolf had fallen hundreds of years ago. Its flesh was cast into the forest, its bones buried in the earth... yet its soul remained, its instinct still driven to slaughter."

>Divergent Universe: "And so we donned the guise of the giant wolf, deceiving its soul with our own deaths, dissolving its desires. Life after life, generation after generation."

>Divergent Universe: "I severed the monster's head and stripped its hide. People hailed me as a hero, yet never once asked about the other, who was already dead."

>My condolences.

>This story is just too fantastic.

>An immortal monster is indeed terrifying.

>Divergent Universe: "Endlessly battling the immortal monster, even to the point of killing my best friend... tell me, what glory lies in such a wretched cycle?"

I’m not 100% sure that this parallels the two, but my theory from this is quite clear: Ena and Aha helped each other deal with Voracity.

But since Aha lost THEIR head to Oroboros when they were battling THEM, this is somehow where I assume Elation absorbed the “aftertaste” of Voracity.

I made this clear in my other post: I am not disproving Ruan Mei’s theory that Aha stole it, but of course, I think this is more plausible given the other excerpts also saying it. Also, Aha probably tricked Voracity to get its primum mobile so that it would be just hunger.

But wait, isn’t this excerpt hinting that Ena also absorbed something from Voracity?

Correct, my friend, and this is the foundation of my theory!

If you haven’t been reading the DU, Oroboros has three main parts:

  • The Mouth (Hunger)
  • The Aftertaste (which Aha stole)
  • And the last forgotten part: the bait

This bait is the most underrated part because Oroboros is not an idiot that just tries to eat things. THEY use lures or bait for that to happen.

>“During the Swarm Disaster, Oroboros devoured countless numbers of Tayzzyronth spawn alongside numerous planets and galaxies. To lure their victims, it is said that THEY used their lantern-like stomach as bait, which matches the description given by the Nameless, as well as their beautiful, alluring singing voice.”

The important inversion is that the victim is not simply chased, caught, or forcibly eaten. They are encouraged to approach.

Assuming that it is the woman in Oroboros’ picture, we can assume that this is a genuine part.

But where is this bait part now?

It’s not Aha who took it, and probably it wasn’t sealed as well because it is more dangerous. Elation doesn't need that since laughing is already desired.

So my theory is that Ena took this part.

Why, you ask?

Because it is essential for THEM.

Ena, as I said earlier, is a control freak.

However, in the long run, Ena probably saw that THEY were more or less undesired by the universe.

Because no one wants to be controlled.

So, the question is, how could THEY control anyone without them feeling like they are oppressed?

Actually, this theory led me to a book of the same name, I kid you not: Leviathan.

Yup, that book by Thomas Hobbes.

If you learned about it, there is a term he calls the “social contract.”

Hobbes argues that people, motivated by fear and the desire for security, mutually authorize a sovereign.

They renounce or transfer parts of their natural liberty so the sovereign can impose peace and prevent destructive conflict.

His central idea is roughly: People do not merely obey the Leviathan. They create and authorize it because it promises protection from a worse condition.

Obviously, his reference in the book to the name is from the biblical equivalent of Leviathan, but you get the idea.

Ena needed people to come to THEM and seek to be controlled of their own will, not because THEY do so.

So, the only thing THEY needed was a situation where that was the case.

Not: “You must obey me.”

But: “You are chaotic; let me unify you, and we’ll end conflicts.”

The bait would transform Ena’s project from domination into a kind of seductive political and spiritual offer.

The victim can sincerely believe they chose it, even while the “choice” is architected by the promise of relief.

This already has a term, and it is called “hegemony.”

Hegemony means the overwhelming power, control, or leadership that one group, country, or culture has over others.

Instead of just using physical force or laws to rule, a dominant power achieves hegemony by making its own values, ideas, and rules seem totally normal and “common sense” to everyone else.

You can already see where I am coming from.

This is Ena’s end goal, after all.

So now that we have established, in my theory, that the second face of Xipe is “Oroboros,”

Then who the hell is the third face of Xipe?

And again, another conveniently missing Aeon fits the bill entirely. The only missing conclusive evidence I have is from the period when THEY disappeared.

Idrila, the Beauty.

Ena gives the structure.

Oroboros gives the lure and absorption.

So the only missing part is the shared ideal that lets diverse beings see that structure as meaningful rather than merely useful or pleasurable.

The deeper missing piece is a common image of the good: something people can admire together without needing to be identical.

That is Beauty.

Harmony cannot be built from order and desire alone:

Order + Bait = Hegemony

A hegemon can coordinate people and make them accept the coordination.

But acceptance can still be based on fear, exhaustion, survival, convenience, or manipulation.

It creates a population under one rule, not necessarily a harmonious thing.

To get Harmony, the system needs an ideal that makes people say:

“I see something beautiful in our union, and I want to contribute my own voice to it.”

Then:

Order + Attraction + Beauty = Harmony

Or, less abstractly:

Ena tells the chorus how to stay in time.

Oroboros gets people onto the stage.

Idrila makes the music feel beautiful enough that each singer wants to remain part of it.

The lore presents Idrila as the Aeon of Beauty, emerging from “the pure goodness of the material world” as perceived and defined by intelligent beings.

The key word is not just prettiness.

It is recognition.

Beauty requires a perceiver and creates a relationship between many different minds and a valued object.

That makes Beauty especially suitable for making “one song from many voices.”

A mosaic, choir, or orchestra becomes beautiful not because every part is the same, but because different parts fit together in a meaningful way. Their differences create harmony when everyone can see how they belong to the whole.

Therefore, the third face of Xipe in my theory is Idrila.

u/Wonderful-Aside-4998 — 13 days ago

Aeons and their Counters

So 4.6 brought to light a very popular theory of the fanbase, Aeons and their counters or opposites. Nihilux gave us a start of the full diagram between the Aeons so I just wanted to give my own two cents on what I think each pair of Aeons is.

To note however, being counter to another Aeon is not the same as sharing in their origin. Enigmata arose from Remembrance but Mythus doesn't counter Fuli. Similarly Voracity and Elation, both Oroboros and Aha are connected but again, they don't oppose each other in terms of their Paths, rather their Paths are more similar then different. In anycase, starting with the list.

Confirmed in Story

- Destruction vs Preservation

Stated by Nihilux. Not much room for argument here. Nanook wishes to destroy the universe, Qlipoth wishes to preserve. Not much to comment here except to note that Aeons that oppose each other doesn't need to ascend together. Qlipoth is one of the oldest Aeons while Nanook is the youngest. We should keep this in mind as we go to other pairs where some of the Aeons are currently dead or missing. In anycase as for Destruction and Preservation, pretty simple all and all. Push and Pull for the Mistborn fans out there.

- Erudition vs Enigmata

This is a pairing we knew at the start of the game. Mythus rose to oppose Nous, stating if everything was known their would be no future. Nous wishes to know everything while Mythus makes it so knowledge can be wrong or misleading, allowing their to errors and so Nous's extrapolations to don't set the future of the universe in stone. That is there relationship

- Elation vs Equilibrium

This was newly introduced in 4.6, that Aha's actions are blocked by HooH's intervention. According to Nihilux when Aha says "This game sucks, let's play something else," HooH says, "For every gain, a loss. Fair trade." Aha revels in chaos, while a god of games they aren't against cheating or switching things up. HooH however disagrees, in their goal to bring everything to zero-sum, every action comes with reaction, their cannot be anything given for free. Thus does HooH oppose Aha in their constant revelry in always having fun.

Personal theorized pairings

- Hunt vs Abundance

Now this one is pretty much already in the game. Just didn't mention it abive as Nihilux didn't bring them up. Honestly the logic makes sense. Abundance creates overpopulation through immortality while Hunt culls the numbers through death to bring it back to balance. It is a metaphor for an ecosystem scaled to the universe. I should note that this logic for them does actually make it apply to other pairings as well like Voracity vs Abundance, Hunt vs Propagation, Voracity vs Hunt and so on. Lot of these are actually quite valid reads as well but given the sheer antagonism seen in the game about Lan and Yaoshi i thought I keep it simple and keep the pair as is for now.

- Beauty vs Nihility

To me, Beauty and Nihility are the most like opposites. While Nihility does share thematic connections to Elation in both believe nothing matters with different responses, no Path better refutes the statement of nothing having meaning then the Beauty which believes everything in the universe has meaning. That literally is what Beauty is, us putting values on everything we observe. So yeah I think comparing IX and Idrila makes the most sense out of all the options.

- Trailblaze vs Harmony

Trailblaze is a Path of individuality, everyone walking their own road while Harmony is a Path of assimilation, of all become one voice. At least this is the logic Asat Pramad uses in-story where he says Trailblaze and Harmony counteract each other, thus allowing our Stellaron to not spiral out of control. Note Trailblaze I often see paired up with Finality and I do agree with much of theories surrounding it but I feel Finality has a much better pair which I'll mention next so I'll leave off with Akivili and Xipe facing each other.

- Finality vs Remembrance

So Finality and Remembrance. You may be asking why but to me it makes the most sense out of all the pairings. Think of it like this, both Fuli and Terminus ascend at the end of time and travel backwards chronologically yes? What makes them different then? Its because they travel back in time for different reasons. Fuli travels back to recall the whole history of the universe so that they make recreate it all anew, perfectly replicated to all they can remember. Finality travels back as a warning, foretelling doom and sorrow is coming. Why? Because they wish to change their fate. Terminus wants the future to be changed, so that whatever end of the universe that created them doesn't come to past. Fuli and Terminus are counters because their goals contradict each other. Fuli wants everything to stay as they remember them so they can recreate it all again while Terminus wants everything to change so that they never come to be. You wouldn't think Finality counters Remembrance but thinking it like this i don't see what other option fits best for them.

- Permanence vs Voracity

Now were reaching the part im not so confident in. Voracity vs Permanence. I do think the Paths share a connection through Luxbane and I very much believe Long was also a Leviathan like Oroboros was but how would the Paths counteract each other? Well currently i know Abundance can counter Voracity as seen by Evanescia vs the Husk, neverstopping growth vs endless hunger. Abundance pairs up so well with Hunt though so I had to ponder. Think of it like this. It is often theorized that Abundance broke off from the Path of Permanence, especially with how both talk about Immortality. Abundance though is immortality of the self while Permanence is the immortality of the species. If Abundance can satisfy Voracity though, can the Permanence? I believe it can. Just comparing the Paths, Voracity is selfish, only wishing to further your own existence and appetite while Permanence is selfless, letting your own body become the food for others if it means they can survive. Its not a perfect one and one but it is the best reasoning i currently got. Again I do think there is a connection there, given how Luxbane is said to target either Path.

- Order vs Propagation

And now the one I have the hardest time explaining. Honestly in terms of Paths. Order makes the most sense to be against Elation as Law vs Chaos. But Nihilux brought HooH as Aha's counter. Maybe you can explain this as becoming the case due to HooH taking up Ena's duties after their fall as mentioned in Swarm Disaster but thats not the argument i am making today. Honestly I do think you can make a case of Order vs Propagation, just looking at the actions of their Aeons and Paths. Order wishes everything to be controlled but not necessarily stagnant. Civilizations will flourish under Ena's hands but also fall. Followers of Order are noted to be famed martyrs with Ena themself said to have purposefully orchestrated their end so that their Path wouldn't be corrupted by the fear brought by Propagation. Turning to Propagation though, its a Path of personal survival. Tayzzyronth ascended from a fear of death and loneliness and Firefly talks about the wish for survival is baked into the DNA of the Path no matter the consequences it brings. Even though many members of the Swarm willfully give their lives if ordered, it doesn't stop to intrinsic instinct to offer it all up for Tayzzyronth. While the Order will see everything rise and fall as is right, Propagation will buck against this, creating chaos in defiance to a definite end. Ena grew to their strongest during the Swarm Disaster so I do think their is a possible pairing with the Paths as opposites, even if it isn't as apparent at first.

In anycase, thats my list. I feel like lots of folks will disagree with it so feel free to come up with your own pairs and listings, I would love to see it. If any of my points you agree with, I would also love to learn why. Thank you for taking the time to listen to me ramble.

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u/amurgiceblade44 — 13 days ago

What is Phainon to Khaslana?

So let's start by stating the Obvious.

Khaslana is his real name. It is neither a dead name or just the name of the one maintaining the eternal Reccurence.

Khaslana was born in Aedes Elysiae, and upon losing his hometown, renamed himself Phainon.

And he asks to also be called Phainon in this case.

However, this isn't a dead name as some would say. After all, someone as understanding and empathetic as Cyrene wouldn't be so rude as to call him this name (Especially when she also asks to be called Cyrene, even if her name seems to not be Cyrene).

Cyrene calls him Khaslana, and even at the end of the story, this is how she calls him.

We merely used Khaslana in the game to make the difference between the one aware of the Reccurence, and every version of him that isn't aware of it. However, this is just a comfort choice. Phainon always start by being named Khaslana, and has no problems being called like this by his childhood friend.

The question is... Why is that? Why did he call himself Phainon?

My proposition here isn't that he is a fake with everyone, even if the idea of true and false heroes can be placed on Phainon, his identity and his truthfulness to his companion is undeniable.

Phainon was the same with both Mydeimos, Hyacine and Aglaea as he was with his childhood friend that knew him. The only difference seems to be in the message it is holding.

Khaslana is who he is, and Phainon is the image he wants to represent for everyone.

Feel free to tell me if this interpretation is wrong, but the fact that many chrysos heirs talk about the fact he has a part of darkness that he doesn't show to anyone, which is his past, I think it can tell us something about him.

He wants to be a perfect Hero, the kind of ones that delivers the wishes of Humanity to Tomorrow, and for that, he has to "not be himself".

Like, let's take the example of a streamer.

If I am Heiko, and that I decide to name myself "Ice elation" it doesn't mean I am being a fake with you. I just put a limit between who I am and what I want to show to you. I want the world to know me for an entertaining streamer that loves the lore, and not a Weeb that had a difficult life that made me want to start streaming.

This is the same thing imo.

In this road to become Perfect, which is impossible, he "neglected" Khaslana, in the profit of Phainon.

What do you think?

u/inkheiko — 13 days ago