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Amphoreus - The cycles and the Eternal Recurrence
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Amphoreus - The cycles and the Eternal Recurrence

Phew, I'm finally done with this chart. I wanted to finish it quick since part of it will be useful for the video I'm working on.

There are a lot of explanations on the bottom half, but this is mostly for people who want more details. You can stick to the graph in the middle part for a general idea of what's going on, although I recommend reading everything to get what exactly the signals/entities involved inside go through, including Phainon (although he has his specific charts linked inside anyway).

Have a nice day everyone!

u/Tired__Yeti — 14 hours ago
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(Updated) The Phainon special - Detailed AND simplified versions

The two versions are available in the linked album!

I realized I never posted the updated version of this here yet, oops...

The detailed chart is for people who want to know absolutely everything, including the definition and explanation or certain principles (such as self-iteration and the likes).

The simplified one is still a bit texty, but it's not as heavy.

Have a nice evening (or day) everyone!

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u/Tired__Yeti — 11 hours ago

A funny prediction for 4.4: The Trailblazer will use the power of Finality

So first I'll say that the trailer doesn't always show things in order. Which is why I show things in a different order.

Second, I'll explain why I think the Trailblazer will use the power of Finality.

In 3.8, constance mentioned that the Terminus' strands, which are Black Cats, allows someone to somehow reach out to Terminus, and with enough force, THEY would listen and change THEIR future, and since they flow backward in time, it means THEY change the Past, which will change destiny.

And in the trailer of 4.2, we see a Terminus' strand, which doesn't appear in the story, but I'm curious if it could play a role there.

Let's suppose Terminus might be at Planarcadia.

Asat Pramad collected misfortune of the whole planet for 15 years, which, I suppose, allows them to change the events that happened drastically.

And it seems he chose something relatively simple to change: he might have chosen to change the past, making sure Himeko never repaired the Express.

This single event will lead to a massive amount of change and misfortune for the universe, by simply changing it. Or maybe things will change except one thing? Himeko may not be here? I believe that things will drastically change tho.

And most importantly, the Trailblazer will lose all their stories and their journey with everyone. I suppose facing such a Grim fate, they will cry out their pain, their wish fueled by the Stellaron and the wish power of the planet, they will reach out to Terminus, but the Stellaron being way too unstable, maybe they could risk something worse.

And it is at this moment that Himeko tries to calm them down, and make sure they keep everything under control.

Maybe the only consequence of this, even if no one really believes it, myself included, is that, the Trailblazer will still somehow launch the express again from the past using Terminus, but this time, Himeko wouldn't be here.

I suppose it's not very likely, but since they introduced the Terminus Strand, I think there isn't a better opponent to use Finality against at the moment than someone who can change the present to his liking.

u/inkheiko — 16 hours ago

I was thinking about it

I have a theory about how Phainon and Castorice will appear there. And even the appearance of others can be explained.

First of all, you know where the second part of the collaboration will be? In Two-dimensions.

And do you remember what we did to help Amphoraeus be reborn? We spread the epic about Chrysos Heirs

And with such actions, they even became characters in stories that could possibly be summoned to the war for the Holy Grail. Moreover, now they do not have a physical body, but they are alive in the book, that is, it is possible that they are dead

Perhaps, with the help of the power of desire or fantasy modeling, it will be possible to recreate their bodies or even summon them

Sparxie, Silver Wolf And so popular in Two-dimensions, They might even be masters. And Hertha, Hertha is Hertha.

Mrs. Gerta is a rare diamond.

Mrs. Gerta is an unrivaled genius.

Mrs. Gerta is the embodiment of beauty.

By the way, I just realized this. There were hints of this in the AFK animation of Gilgamesh. Items from the Gate of Babylon from the world of HSR

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u/Scared_Abroad_9452 — 17 hours ago
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I think Asat Pramad is gonna win in some way shape or form

Now by win I dont mean hes gonna destroy kill the whole crew (its still a gacha game) but he will still succeed in whatever hes trying to acomplish or he will do permanent damage to the crew/trailblaze

From the trailer besides the Himke Novaflare short showcase for the most part Asat is shown winning or in a position of power 80% of the time. Add to the fact that Nanook flashed on the screen and what looks like TB's life (plus their futures and alternate timlines) flashing before their eyes it doesnt look to good for us.

I think either Asat succeeds in his initial plan and he just leaves to torture the crew more or he fails in his initial plan but he kills a Himeko when she goes for some sacrifice play to save the rest of the crew.

Either way with how much their hyping up Asat (They gave him a solo Myriad celestia about his backstory) and with his connection and his power drawing from THREE PATHS I hope he doesnt go down permenantly in this 4.4, would be disappointing.

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u/fallensense — 3 days ago

Weathering curse = Entropy Loss Syndrome?

So for those who don't remember, the entropy loss syndrome is a condition hitting the soldier of the Glamoth iron cavalry. Outside of their mech, their body disappears.

I often saw the fanart of Himeko and Firefly together. Especially after 4.3, as people recognized the bond between them symbolically speaking.

However, a recent video of Ashikai made me wonder about something and I'd like to ask you.

So the weathering curse, something visually similar to the entropy loss syndrome as you can see on the images, came from Graphia who rejected the path of destruction that Asat Pramad made her follow.

And she made the assumption that if our existence is deeply tied to one path, not following it would lead to our existence to fade, and this is not just the weathering curse, but more or less any path.

So we can make the conjecture that the Entropy Loss Syndrome is just the same thing, and the rule about never leaving the Mech is literally for their safety, because they were built to fight, and refusing to use this form would be rejecting their path (propagation). And this condition can hit anyone.

Now... About our Himeko...

According to Ashikai, Himeko has 2 distinct memories of the Astral express: one where she witnessed it crashing, and one where she rebuilt it herself.

And what Ashikai proposes is that Himeko didn't just draw an ideal version of herself, but the embodiment of the Graphia bloodlines identity: their longing for the Trailblaze.

So our Himeko was created to follow the Trailblaze, and ONLY to Trailblaze.

Which could explain why she had memories similar to Graphia (witnessing the crash of the express) but also from later, supposedly hers (when she rebuilt the express).

And finally, we see on the last cg of the path our Himeko with the weathering curse on her leg despite being an Imaginae. We know that the original Himeko was also following the Graphia curse, explaining her death according to Asat Pramad, but our Himeko isn't following the bloodline. So why?

The assumption could be that her "weathering curse" is due to the fact she could not Trailblaze yet.

If we accept the suppositions above about an illness hitting things not following their path they were created for, then Himeko, not having the express yet, was unable to follow the Trailblaze, causing her condition to worsen. Her state is, just like Pom-pom, tightly bonded to the express.

To Trailblaze, even if it's something she enjoys, is probably something she has to do to survive. She MUST Trailblaze, or she will die, like Firefly, who must follow the will of the empress (which can make it interesting to give her the reactor Blade remade, because she would become the empress and dictate her will to the cavalry, no longer suffering from her condition, but that's another topic).

I kinda like this theory, even if I dislike a bit the idea to "reduce" the "Himeko" in our Himeko. But I suppose this barely matters. It's this Himeko we met, and she is real.

I liked to make parallels between Cyrene and Himeko because both of them seemed to be copies or other versions of themselves but ultimately they were both the exact same (at least in Cyrene's case), but for Himeko, it seems to not be the case.

What about you?

u/inkheiko — 3 days ago
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Any chance that Asat Pramad is actually...

&gt;! Void Archives? !<

Hey all!

Long-time lurker who's played through both all the main story of HSR and Hi3. I love coming up with theories which connect both universes, but have yet to see much about this one in particular, so I figured I'd write something out to see everyone's thoughts before the next update.

Disclaimer: My knowledge is mostly based around my own progress in game, and there's a ton of stuff I haven't read in the simulated universe and both games' readables yet. I did a few searches in the wiki about specific questions, but if I'm misunderstanding / misrepresenting I hope you'll smack me down exactly like our Ravager-of-the-Patch would.

  1. Re-watching the "Death of Elation" trailer today, I had to stop for a screen-cap of the following scene because I noticed there's a HoodedLittleBitch lurking behind the bar where that (step)Dad joke-of-a-robot stands for us in the present day.

2-3) That's when my brain just started Theoros-ing and remembered that we first saw that particularly horrendous purple-yellow color combo all the way back in the Hi3 manga when we were introduced to the previous era's Herrscher of Reason, aka Void Archives.

4-7) In the in-game cutscene, we get these two sequences back-to-back (see appropriately numbered images of symbols and robots) where Asat Pramad confronts the HSR heros. At one point after beginning his assault (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3LbTotxM04&t=2m05s) he says "its been a while, old friend." During this, a pink shield (which looks similar to a copy of Void's mask imo) and robot (likely Himeko's, though it doesn't seem 1:1 with the model from her Nova flare [again, imooo]) appears before him, but as soon as he finishes saying that the cut is to a scene of him fighting Welt.

Old FrieeeeeenDDd here could be Welt?

8-11) You know, the guy he's conveniently referred to as "Old Friend" when he was setting up the whole situation that would cause him to leave Earth before the start of HSR. Wouldn't THAT make it make sense why gramps is looking a little more 'ornery than usual and busting out his 3rd impact aura farming pose??

12+) How does that account for him fighting in multiple places at once? Void archives is shown doing that after fully taking over Otto's Soulium bodies (which, being nanoteech, can morph into whatever appearance he likes). He's also shown the ability to utilize (nerfed versions of the) powers of all the Hi3 Divine Keys -- that could contribute to his ability to so accurately counter all his opponents.

Add that to those small little elements like Ryusuke thinking Shush's jokes are hilarious, the fact that Welt left his original Hi3 Universe shortly killing his universe version of Ryusuke (also Himeko's Dad -- check me on that Hi3 friends?) and the fact the Void Archives showed up very recently in that OST with no current story relevance makes me veryyyy suspicious!

The biggest problems with this idea so far are:

a) the timeline: since Welt came into the HSR universe at the same time as Voids, some serious shenanigans must have occurred for this to work with all the other world destroying Asat's been up to: ie, the void archives Himeko picked up with welt must have been only one of many soulium bodies possessed by VA, AND some crazy time dilation stuff must have been going on while they were on Salsotto. Reading the descriptions from the wiki (along with other in game anecdotes), that doesn't seem totally out of the realm of possibility.

b) The probability specific powers. Not something explicitly spelled out in Hi3. Encyclopedic knowledge of the previous era and all the powers of the divine key might be able to help him feign something like what we've seen so far? Dicians and further lore would seem to strongly contradict this, though.

c) the young child and the Golden Rose: the video suggests this is Enroute's childhood before he becomes Isee -> Asat. The implied story telling is that this was "recent" in his near childhood before growing up. Is there any chance that the childhood depicted here is also from the Earth's previous era, before he became the previous era's herrscher of reason? The Hi3 lore is completely blank of the old HoR before the modern era. A child being able to turn something into gold seems in line with the HoR powerset.

Objections aside, his entire ethos of "causing mankind to suffer to bring out the only noble things in them," just feels like something that Void Archives would do, considering that their motivation at the end of APHO was STILL about eliminating Honkai (inadvertently protecting people, even at the cost of their lives). It fits with all the internet posts he does, where he's unable to see any contradiction between loving his neighbors and causing them to lose their lives.

Anyway, this took way longer than I anticipated to write, and I think I'm kinda giving up 3/4 through. Maybe I'll put together something slightly more coherent if this is fun at all for anyone?

Thanks for skimming / reading!

PS other question for Hi3 lore masters: can void archives emulate the herrscher of corruption since that divine key was never finished until the new era (if ever, canonically)? Google was not particularly helpful with that timeline, and I didn't remember anything beyond the sealing that happened in Sakura Samsara.

u/Roy_Peschor — 3 days ago

Idrila gave THEIR eyes to Elio

From the Loading Screen regarding Elio,

>The leader of the Stellaron Hunters who is referred to as "Destiny's Slave."
Possesses the ability/curse to foresee future possibilities.

I) Destiny's Slave

In the book The Gods of Pegāna (Pegana is the world where Akivili is from), it can be inferred that Elio was inspired by both the Destiny God + one of the Destiny God's slaves.

Regarding the chapter Of Dorozhand (Whose Eyes Regard the End),

>Sitting above the lives of the people, and looking, doth Dorozhand see that which is to be.
The god of Destiny is Dorozhand. Upon whom have looked the eyes of Dorozhand he goeth forward to an end that naught may stay; he becometh the arrow from the bow of Dorozhand hurled forward at a mark he may not see — to the goal of Dorozhand. Beyond the thinking of men, beyond the sight of all the other gods regard the eyes of Dorozhand.
He hath chosen his slaves. And them doth the destiny-god drive onward where he will, who, knowing not whither nor even knowing why, feel only his scourge behind them or hear his cry before.
There is something that Dorozhand would fain achieve, and, therefore, hath he set the people striving, with none to cease or rest in all the Worlds. But the gods in Pegana speaking to the gods, say: "What is it that Dorozhand would fain achieve?"
It hath been written and said that not only the destinies of men are the care of Dorozhand but that even the gods of Pegana be not unconcerned by his will.
All the gods of Pegana have felt a fear, for they have seen a look in the eyes of Dorozhand that regardeth beyond the gods.
The reason and purpose of the Worlds is that there should be Life upon the Worlds, and Life is the instrument of Dorozhand wherewith he would achieve his end.

and in another chapter,

>"And as I uttered the last of certain secret words I fell asleep in the temple, for I was weary, with my head against the altar of Dorozhand. Then in the stillness, as I slept, there entered Dorozhand by the temple door in the guise of a man, and touched me on the shoulder, and I awoke.
"But when I saw that his eyes shone blue and lit the whole of the temple I knew that he was a god though he came in mortal guise. And Dorozhand said: 'Prophet of Dorozhand, behold! that the people may know.' And he showed me the paths of Sish stretching far down into the future time.
"Then he bade me arise and follow whither he pointed, speaking no words but commanding with his eyes.
"Therefore upon the twentieth night of the nine hundredth moon I walked with Dorozhand adown the paths of Sish into the future time.

This actually matches up pretty closely with the readable Glimpses into the Beyond regarding Idrila the Wondergazer,

>Lord of the Path of Beauty. Known as Idrila, god of beauty by the Knights of Beauty and the Mirror Holders. Known on some worlds as Anne Duray.
So far, the Knights of Beauty have been disbanded, leaving the Mirror Holders to wander the stars, searching for THEIR holy relics. All of this serves as proof that THEY have fallen. But my documents exchanged with the Intelligentsia Guild mention: If the relics of the Wondergazer can be found intact, THEIR beautiful countenance will be able to reappear.
According to ancient myth, Idrila once attributed the beauty of all the starzones to THEMSELF, showing heroes, villains, and mortals the meaning and aesthetics contained within the cosmic landscape, and driving them to complete astonishing (but often devastating) achievements for Idrila's own pleasure. This myth may reveal the true meaning behind the Path of Beauty: The integration of consciousness, insight, and values.

So Elio is therefore part Destiny God (via Idrila's eyes) yet also Destiny's Slave (following Idrila's will?).

The relationship between Idrila and Elio can therefore be observed in the character of Aglaea (who went blind in order to better weave destiny (Idrila giving up THEIR eyes so that destiny can be woven after THEIR fall) + created and manipulated Garmentmakers (Destiny's Slaves))

Also although Elio is known as "Destiny's Slave" the meaning in some cases doesn't seem to be exclusive to him since in the Myriad Celestia "Scene 999: GAME NOT OVER" when Kafka says the Stellaron Hunters will hold onto Silver Wolf's cartridge until she can control it she responds with "Who do you take me for...? I won't become destiny's slave". Also Kafka (who is symbolic of Stellaron Hunters in general) is shown with similar clear eyes like Aglaea (although she isn't blind) and also manipulates threads + her ability Spirit Whisper can be used to manipulate people.

Aglaea's Characters Stories could also give insight into Idrila's/Elio's motives (other than simply rewriting Finality),

>In the most visible spot, a simple, unadorned priest's robe hangs. She frequently takes it out to clean and dust, always reminding herself of the vow she made to the deity.
"Please forgive me, for the sake of the most beautiful creation in the world..."
Long ago, at the moment she took hold of the Coreflame, she suddenly "saw" in the darkness a breathtaking vista she had never before encountered —
In that golden future, there is no more strife, no more death.

and also

>Legend holds that every disciple of Mnestia devotes their entire life to crafting what they deem to be the Ultimate Beauty to present to their deity.
It's been a long time since she crafted beautiful garments.
Yet, she has never ceased weaving the threads of destiny.

II) Mirrored Finality

Beauty (like Enigmata) has the power to weave human forms. In the Moonlit Tale Do Aeons Weep for Nostalgia?

>Divergent Universe: "My body etched with wounds, I savored the taste of my prey. The instinctive thrill of it... that was my first memory."
Divergent Universe: "Then, one day, a light of impossible beauty split the dark. I was drawn to it. I left behind the primal hunger, the old instincts... and I left my homeland."
Divergent Universe: "I came here. To the world of 'humans.'"

In the Myriad Celestia Fables About the Stars Part 1, when it comes to the section about Finality, The Finality is written twice with one of them being mirrored (even the Equilibrium isn't written twice even though HooH split THEMSELVES in two so this double Finality has a deeper meaning). Also in the section about Beauty it says "Listen to the infant (End of All Things) in the mirror" and before it even reaches the Propagation part there are two frames of The Fin (meaning The End) which are in some birdcage and then a frame of The Finality (written once) that is also mirrored (since its between Beauty and Propagation (both of which are represented by Romance) it seems to imply that Beauty has something to do with the mirrored Finality).

In the Data Bank Entry for the Mirror Holders it says,

>The legend of the Mirror Holders had it that the downfall of the God of Beauty was an ancient metaphor symbolizing the shattering of peoples' views on beauty, crumbling like a collapsed tower into rubble and bricks. Therefore, the goal of the Mirror Holders takes on another significance: when conceptions of beauty are reunified, all disputes and strife will disappear. They believe the Aeon they worship will be perfect and complete again, and the universe will become whole.
This may not be a mere delusion, as the Mirror Holders possess a series of items named Mirrors of Transcendence. These mirrors do not reflect the material world, but instead reflect what is considered by the beholder as "beauty" and project that into reality.
As the Mirror Holders recounted themselves, these mirrors were fragments of Idrila's divine form. When the God of Beauty died, THEIR fragments were scattered to the cosmos. The wandering Mirror Holders tried their best to find clues and recapture these fragments, hoping to one day piece everything back together and let Beauty return to the world.

Also one of the definitions of Eidolon is an idealized person or thing (I think the characters' Eidolons are reflections from the Mirrors of Transcendence (fragments of Idrila's Divine Form)) so imagine if Terminus was reflected in the mirror (Idrila's complete Divine Corpus) it would be an idealized version of Finality (so probably someone with Finality's powers that is still trying to bring about the Ultimate Beauty (the golden future)).

Elio is said to be a special existence,

>The Dahlia: Then, Terminus turned into a pack of black cats, distributing every ounce of THEIR divine power between those creatures. The cats shall depart from the end of the world, going against the river of time, till the moment of the universe's birth.
The Dahlia: What you see is one of those cats. As for Elio, he is an even more special existence. Only the Stellaron Hunters know his true identity.

even more special than a fragment of Terminus (so he has to be more special than simply possessing Idrila's eyes, hence why I believe he was also born from Idrila's mirror as an idealized version of Finality (it would explain why there are two The Finality's in the Myriad Celestia Fables About the Stars Part 1)).

The association with Beauty and mirrors reminds me of Snow White and in the section about Finality in Fables Part 1 it says "the shapeless prince (Against the Current)" which is most likely a reference to Terminus (since Terminus travels back in time while Elio moves forward (otherwise his ability would be called hindsight instead of foresight)) and Snow White and the Prince do end up together in the story (union of Beauty and Finality).

Last time I wrote about how Elio could be the infant in the mirror a lot of people were saying it could be Fuli and although I think Fuli (and/or Mythus) could have helped in the process I don't think it's Fuli THEMSELVES (why would Fuli take center stage in the section about Idrila?)

In the only other reference to this infant that I'm aware of (in Cyrene's Messages, when she lists flowers she is putting in a bouquet),

>A prismatic crystal rose, grown from a single seed, carefully nurtured by my own hands~
Hehe, and the Antila flowers from Castorice's garden, each petal shimmering with dewdrops
Sunflowers and canterbury bells from Hyacine's courtyard, like gentle sunlight~
And there are blue moonlight lilies, baby's breath, white bellflowers...

Bellflowers are one of three flowers that appear in the section about Beauty in Fables Part 1 (other than roses and some other white flower (both these two flowers appear in Stelle's coffin when Aha is crying over Akivili and accusing Nanook in Improv Tour Trailer: "Binge it All! The Truth After the Battle of Irontomb!")) so that corresponds to Beauty.

Blue moonlight is for sure a reference to Remembrance (Fuli has a blue moon behind them (you can see the moon craters in the Myriad Celestia when Evernight talks about how March 7th was born from Fuli's shattered Divine Corpus)) so since its mentioned on the same line there is definitely a connection (tbh blue moonlight could also be used to describe the light from Elio's eyes).

Also In the Voice of Constellation about Mnestia,

>The Coreflame of "Romance" has already been returned.
Mnestia is the Titan that symbolizes beauty and love. Their appearance is often illustrated as a beautiful and elusive butterfly with golden patterns carved into their wings. They and their Titankin pursue beauty in the world, weave it into the golden thread, spin the romances of humankind and grant everyone in Amphoreus love and affection.
Legend states that Mnestia fell in love with the Reason Titan, Cerces. They sat under the giant tree for a long time, endlessly confessing their love to the Titan — but Cerces never responded. Mnestia passed away crying tears of blood, and arose reborn from their golden cocoon as a humanoid figure. Covering themselves with their broken cocoon, they set out on a journey around Amphoreus with the blessing of their kin. Finally, Mnestia returned from their adventures with the love of family, friends, and true love gathered from the world, wove them into their golden chrysalis alongside their body and heart, and gifted them to Cerces. In the arms of their lover, they were reborn in the Chrysalis of Gold. Ever since this moment, the butterfly and the tree have been inseparable and dependent on each other for survival.
Today, shadows of the past are cast across ancient ruins. These shadows that drift like scattered veils carry memories of the past. They are legacies that must not be lost. The divine powers of Mnestia gather these threads and weave them together one by one to reveal destiny and prophecies.

In my other theory on how the Self Annihilator with twisted ankles was actually Tayzzyronth I went over how all the symbolism applies to Propagation and I think this is also true for Beauty (after all, when we look back on the Mnestia lore we should see parallels in Idrila's story along with Tayzzyronth's).

Propagation:

  • Mnestia is a butterfly (Tayzzyronth living THEIR best life), passes away crying tears of blood (Tayzzyronth's "death" as well as end of Swarm Disaster), reborn as a humanoid figure (Tayzzyronth dreaming while being preserved in amber and Mythus causing this dream to intertwine with the past), and then finally with love (the Primum Mobile of Trailblaze) Mnestia wove everything including her body and heart into her golden chrysalis and was reborn in the Chrysalis of Gold (Tayzzyronth's transmutation by Qlipoth is complete (most likely with our help))

Beauty

  • Mnestia is a butterfly (Idrila living THEIR best life), passes away crying tears of blood (more emphasis on eyes (Idrila is the Wondergazer so THEIR eyes are special) + Idrila's fall), reborn as a humanoid figure (Elio as human form of idealized Finality + Idrila's eyes), and then finally with love (the Primum Mobile of Trailblaze) Mnestia wove everything including her body and heart into her golden chrysalis and was reborn in the Chrysalis of Gold (Idrila (via Elio) finally weaving the Ultime Beauty (the golden future) with our help + Idrila's reappearance)

Love (Trailblaze) is necessary for Beauty's plans,

>Ripples of Past Reverie: A story about "love," no? I've been looking forward to that.
Cyrene: Then you must also remember the first story I wrote for you. The one about the crystal flower and the little fairy.
Cyrene: So now, I want to add something more to this story and us.
Cyrene: On that day that the flower shattered, gazing at the empty ground, I thought... the little fairy would finally see the light.
Cyrene: But that light wouldn't be found in the "flawless" flower, nor in the fairy's eyes.
Cyrene: Rather, in the world mirrored within every fragment of the shattered crystal.
Cyrene: All the Flame-Chasers walk in your thirty million retellings of their story. At this moment, all the memories are tangled with each other, and all the previous cycles have gained meaning.
Cyrene: People will come to understand that, time and time again, when they stood at the crossroads of fate, they would never have chosen otherwise.
Cyrene: In the experiments of Erudition, and in the breeding ground of Destruction, it is entropy increasing, a merciless truth, an evil instinct...
Cyrene: But under the pen of the Remembrance and the Trailblaze...
Cyrene: The Flame-Chase is a journey that changes from constant losses to an unwavering act of release.
Cyrene: It's about knowing how fate is shattered, yet still embracing fate's brokenness. It's a journey that longs to receive love, but longs even more to offer its love to others.
Ripples of Past Reverie: That's so heartwarming!
Ripples of Past Reverie: But I'll add a small bit to suit my tastes.
Ripples of Past Reverie: I'll write that "love" is an innocent flower. It grows up silently, creating longing in every passerby.
Ripples of Past Reverie: But the flower itself cannot walk into the world...
Cyrene: Unless someone plants that "love" into their heart and brings it with them (Trailblaze) into tomorrow, right?

III) Integration of Consciousness, Insight, and Values

In my theory On Idrila (I also analyzed the 4 Beauties of Ancient China here :D) I explained how the "integration of consciousness, insight, and values" mentioned as the true meaning behind the Path of Beauty

  1. Integration = Harmony
  2. Consciousness = Enigmata
  3. Insight = Remembrance
  4. Values = Order

connects with Ruan Mei's thoughts in the Myriad Celestia "Transcendent Ruan Tunes, Blushing Mei Blooms"

>Mother, your letters are always welcome. The plum blossoms bloom and wither, and I occasionally catch a scent of loneliness. I once again am thinking back to the research in my childhood, together with you in "No Man's Land." That comfy cabin, teeming with boundlessly joyous forms of life. Those days are unforgettable. I understood the vastness of the universe too early. I was different than every other kid around me. Birth, growth, death… Lamenting the process of life is the origin of my thinking. I began to realize that I… longed for something "pure." "Attachment" involves the insular cortex, which controls anxiety and pain. The laws of "emotion" can be easily broken down. Children will become more well-behaved when they receive "random" rewards. When I discovered how easy it was to cultivate a "planet," I began to feel empty. I increasingly understand that I… long for more "fundamental" research. Recently, I've had some different thoughts. At first, I was terrified of its appearance. It is born of wonder, does not resist, and does not grieve. It is the closest thing to the feeling I had when I was a child. "It asked me... where does the research end...? "Life is so colorful, but… it has nothing to do with me. I explore the mysteries of the universe and seek deeper answers. I have nothing to lose and nothing to gain. If life is "cultivated" and "reproduced”, you can dissect Remembrance, control Equilibrium, deconstruct Beauty, and reproduce Permanence. I will understand "life"and touch on these "conceptions". And perhaps I, too, can become an Aeon. Worry not, my dear "assistant." I will "reward" you.

Idrila is known as the Wondergazer and Ruan Mei upon observation of Nous says it is born of wonder.

In Amphoreus the three Titans of Fate were Janus, Talanton, and Oronoyx (corresponding to Harmony, Order, and Remembrance (also Enigmata)) while Mnestia was a Titan of Creation. It would make sense then for Aglaea to represent the creating of one who weaves destiny.

In the book The Gods of Pegāna, "The reason and purpose of the Worlds is that there should be Life upon the Worlds, and Life is the instrument of Dorozhand wherewith he would achieve his end." and from the Flawed Recollection description,

>"That genuine shiver when crystal flowers fall... That's the 'mover of life.'"

which all indicate the fall of Beauty led to the creation of life (I personally think this life would be Elio) in order to better weave destiny.

u/Rosacea3 — 4 days ago

Asat Pramad backstory &amp; Nihilux speculation (4.3)

(The post was written by two people, so we/us is used in the post and we don't have a big ego)

Meant to post this on the new trailer release, but technical issues got in the way. The post contains our analysis of Asat Pramad's Improv trailer and how it fits in with the first Planarcadia trailer. The post may contain some mistakes. If you saw a typo, no you didn't.

TLDR; We think that Asat and Nihilux are Aha's masks, representing Masked Foolds and Mourning Actors. Akivili became Nanook. Asat plans to shift Trailblazing path into Destruction to kill Trailblazing, while Nihilux is trying to prevent that by backstabbing Destruction.

aka Ahavili doomed yaoi

Asat/Aha journey (mainly Improv Tour Trailer: “Death of the elation”)

1.1 Enroute with Masked Fools against Rubert's I Empire

\"Slaves! Let the virus of humor intoxicate those mechanical brains\" - Asat Pramad, Death of the Elation

Followers of Elation started a riot after the fall of the Union, infecting Rubert's computer system with a troll virus called the "Philosopher's Poison" and overthrowing the local robot army. (From Wiki of Laurel Wreath, where it happened)

Also possible link to Stellaron Hunters, which may explain how Asat knew about Trailblazer.

1.2. Enroute against Oroboros

\"Follow Aha and shut that gigantic beast's mouth\" - Asat Pramad, Death of the Elation

Presumably, at the same time Aha took Oroboros’ aftertaste (4.3 storyline).

1.3. Enroute becomes disappointed with Elation

\"Is Aha dead? Over time, he lost his smile as well...\" - Asat Pramad, Death of the Elation

Enroute loses his belief in the Elation, that falied to save everyone, at the same time as Aha loses his smile. It is possible that then Mourning Actors got Aha's blessing.

1.4. Enroute boards Astral Express with intention of saving Elation and becomes Isee

\"Once I start Trailblazing, the stars will bring answers\" - Asat Pramad, Death of the Elation

Enroute, now known as Isee, hopes that Trailblaze can achieve what Elation could not. It supports the theory that Asat is Aha/his mask, as Aha also boarded the Astral Express and travelled with Akivili, as we know from Pompom's complaints.

\"Yet all he [Isee] witnessed, was people turning paradises into hell\" - Asat Pramad, Death of the Elation

Yet as Isee travels with the Astral express, he continues to witness the horrors and begins to lose his belief in the Trailblaze, yet he keeps travelling with them.

1.5. Disappearance of Akivili

from \"Death of the Elation\" trailer

Pictured as cracking of the Trailblaze. Chaos on the Astral Express ensures.

1.6. Squid Game on the Astral Express

from \"Death of the Elation\" trailer

The first appearance of the dice that will become Asat Pramad's head! We are not told where exactly it comes from, but it is likely connected to the Destruction.

Our first clue would be the colour - gold, famously associated with Nanook. But also - with the Trailblaze! We will be coming back to that link.

Secondly, the story is supported by the descriptions of the relic set "As Navigator Isee Sees It".

The boots are described as The Navigator's tailor-made leather boots, rumored to possess a special magical power that guides their wearer to every place where they're decidedly not welcome, which again confirms that Isee is no other than Enroute. Must be fun to be a trailblazer, when this is your navigator's special skill.

More interesting here is the ring, that contains the said dice, and lore that goes with it.

...Everything has gone to hell. Complete chaos. Three Nameless left the day before yesterday. Yesterday, five companions fought over the candidacy for the next Navigator during a warp, and a few others tried to dismantle the Express's core engine and take it away. And today? A murder on one of the cars... Finally, the Navigator [Isee] assembled the Nameless. He invited us to play a game, a test of courage, to settle the race to become the next Navigator. - from a Diary of an unnamed Nameless

From which we know that problems started right after the death of Akvili, and Isee organised an existing the chaos into a death game. Not much better, but it confirms that Isee used the die to give game missions to the trailblazers and punish (kill) those who broke the rules.

1.7. Enroute survived and saw Nanook on Adlivun

from \"Death of the Elation\" trailer

Isee travels to the World's End, where he sees newly "birthed" Nanook. This is when Isee's head becomes replaces with the die and he loses his belief in the Trailblazer too. Most likely that is when he takes his current name - Asat Pramad.

Why did he even go to there? Well, it seems like Akivili himself has lead him there. When Isee asked Akivili why can't he find answers he seeks, only more questions, Akivili simply pointed to the distance where nothing existed, yet where all answers seemed to lie hidden (from Navigator's Astral Chart Uniform).

The records of Isee on Adlivun state, from Navigator's Deep Space Mirror:

"Stargazing Log: No. 14758
Date: Amber Era ████
Observation Target: Adlivun
I witnessed the galactic arm crumble like fragile glass, countless stars extinguishing in silence, as if embers in the wind.
Like a painting, all impurities wiped clean, leaving only silent emptiness. Golden radiant flames█cannot be gazed upon█cannot be spoken of█
Golden blood█flames█destruct█ion██birth███answer█appears█?"

At that point, the stargazing logs came to an abrupt halt.
That day also left an irreparable crack on the lens, and the light in the eye behind that lens dimmed completely."

All that leads us to the point where theory about Akivili being "reborn" starts to come together.

  • He attempts to destroy his past, the Astral Express and Trailblazer (point 6).
  • And when Stella/Caelus first boarded the Astral Express, it was Nanook who gazed upon them and granted us the path of Destruction.
  • Also, in the Improv Tour Trailer: "Binge It All! The Truth After the Battle of Irontomb!" Nanook is shown without his legs, which could be referring to him losing his ability to travel (abandoning Trailblaze). And, you know, Aha saying that they lost their love, refering to the same thing, which is Akivili's death.

https://preview.redd.it/p2208e90bvah1.jpg?width=2279&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6a72477edb921502b5a4ed87db003bdf6b3da5a1

1.8. Aha loses his head in fight against Oroboros

Headless Asat, headless Aha...

From forementioned "Binge It All! The Truth After the Battle of Irontomb!" we know that Aha grieved Akivili's death and that's when he threw himself at Oroboros (who is described as a seprent) and lost his head.

  • When the simulated Aha entered Simulated Universe: Unknowable Domain and confronted Polka Kakamond, THEY claimed that THEY missed the Trailblazer (as Akivili) so much that THEY lost THEIR head.
  • "A Tale from the Morrowen Kingdom" is about how Aha lost THEIR head when confronting a serpent. (both from wiki)

While we believe that Akvili did not die for good, he changed after becoming Nanook, and Aha is mourning the Akivili he knew. This could also be the time when Mourning Actor got their blessing (we really know too little about them to know).

1.9. Aha/Asat destroy the Astral Express

from \"Death of the Elation\" trailer

Pom-Pom says it’s Aha’s fault, and we see in the "Death of the Elation" trailer Asat blows up the express. Which is also an act of destruction (Aha alings with destruction), and further solidifies that Asat is Aha's Mask.

SUMMARY: Asat, who is Aha's mask, went from Elation to Trailblaze to Destruction in a search of a way to save the world (sorta). Key moments in Asat's and Aha'a timelines correlate (loss of smile, travelling on Astral Express, loss of head). Akivili "died" and then was "reborn" as Nanook, after which set on destroying his past (the Trailblaze). Asat found out about the "rebirth" and Aha mourned Akivili so hard that hen lost his head. Asat, now aligned with the Destruction, blows up the Astral Express and crushes it into Planarcadia.

Asat’s plan

2.1 Start AE journey again

\"...yet they push the Trailblaze to its demise\" - Asat Pramad, Death of the Elation

We see the him looking at the picture of Himeko. And, from the moment they met, he gives her an Astral Express toy, eager to tell her his stories. He planned from the start to make her start the express again.

from \"Death of the Elation\" trailer

2.2 End it with Destruction again

\"What a splendid joke!\" - Asat Pramad, Death of the Elation

After Himeko's picture, he looks at the evil Trailblazer and blows up the Astral Express in the next scene. Which may allude to Trailblazer choosing path of destruction. This is also where it connects to the "Binge It All! The Truth After the Battle of Irontomb!" improv trailer yet again.

“Will they die again?” - Will Trailblazer who was prevoiusly referred to as Akivili die again, bringing the end of Trailblaze path? To revive, we watch a truly elating add, and then get "Welcome again to Trailblaze" pop-up. Dying implies Trailblaze ending, and revival implies continuation of Trailblazer. Which is similar to Akivili’s fate, if he did in fact become Nanook.

SUMMARY: Asat set off Astral Express using Himeko, and plans to finish the path of Trailblazing using Caelus/Stelle, repeating Akavili's fate.

And finally, we can bring Nihilux into the mix!

3. Nihilux’s connection to all this and her plans

Asat was a Masked Fool, and refers to himself as ‘Fool’ even in his trailer. Nihilux tells us in the plot that she was/is a member of Mourning Actors. In a way, each of them is a mask to represent Aha's two sides, his two major followers' ideals. Masked Fool Aha Asat and Mourning Actor Aha Nihilux.

3.1. Living crisis even in Planarcadia

From 4.0, we know that the only building that still belongs to Murata family is where Furbobo Weekly is located (so there is a fair chance that Ryusuke/Asat lives there, when he stays in Planarcadia). Nihilux is the first president of Furbobo Weekly, and something makes me doubt that she pays rent.

Ashveil is living in a fridge in Furbobo Weekly (which is cold just like Inkfold Hermitage, and lowkey “Ashveil lives in fridge in Furbobo weekly” is just like “Oroboros’ remains are sealed within AHAtopia"). How did Asat know so fast that Ashveil realized the truth about the shadow? Maybe because he was always keeping Ashveil close. And there is a possibility that Nihilux and Asat are allies.

(Random thought that Asat is technically the most successful Lord Ravanger, as he is landlord of Nihilux/Aha)

3.2. ‘Mouring widow’ Aha, who misses THEIR Akvili

\"When stay paths' converge once more\" - Binge It All! The Truth After the Battle of Irontomb!

And "stray path's converging once more" could very easily refer to the time Aha and Akivili spent together on the Astral Express. Nanook also says that he wants to see Aha smile again, which means that he already saw Aha happy. Which yet again supports that Nanook was Akivili.

3.3 Mouring Aha stabs Nanook

from \"Binge It All! The Truth After the Battle of Irontomb!\" improv trailer

That could mean that Nihilux (or Nihilux with Asat) will betray Nanook to revive Akvili (which also explains why watching the ad revives us).

SUMMARY: Nixilux represents Mourning Actors side of Aha and aims to save the Trailblazer and possibly revive Akivili by backstabbing Nanoon. She may or may not be involved with Asat Pramad.

EXTRAS

Fun things I found while doing research for this that are not directly connected to this theory

4.1 People with the golden rose -> Himeko

Collage of screenshots from \"Death of Elation\" and image of Himeko

During "Death of the Elation trailer" we see a kid and other people recieving a golden rose, while at the start of the trailer the red rose that Asat held in his hand turned gold when he gave it to the kid. As Asat says the he wished to bring happiness to the unfortunate, the gold rose may symbolise his attempts to save these people. Yet we know, that Asat (Enroute back then) was nit satisfied with his results.

If we turn to colour symbolysm agaim, red rose would synmolyse Elation, while gold - Trailblaze/Destruction.

It's worth noticing, that Himeko's first design features multiple gold roses, while Himeko Nova has none.

4.2 Abundance, Voracity and Elation trio

Navigator's Deep Space Mirror (from relic set "As Navigator Isee Sees It")

Stargazing Log: No. 14089
Date: Amber Era ████
Observation Target: Oris System, Flavor Source Star
In this civilization where eating is equated with beauty, the more you consume, the more resources you obtain. To cram in more food, stomach expansion surgery has somehow become trendy among the locals. Now the more outrageous the foodcasting, the more it triggers a frenzy of imitation.
I remember now, there was once a Fool who brought a never-ending piece of flesh to the famine-stricken Orisians. Unsurprisingly, boundless Elation turns people into beasts...

Flesh of abundance (Shuhu or another emanator) -> local culture naturally growing into voracity -> all facilitated by elation

Very similar to what is happening on Planarcadia.

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u/xxanthias — 4 days ago

Theory: Asat Pramad is not who he thinks he is

There's been a theory that's been floating around about Asat Pramad being an Imaginae (possibly made by Aha as a prank) for a while now, but I wanted to compile some unusual facts that lead me to believe that he is, in fact, an Imaginae created by Isee with Isee's memories, similar to how Himeko is an Imaginae created by Himeko. The difference is that Asat Pramad doesn't know what he is (as he confirms in the Improv Tour Trailer) while Himeko is aware that she is an Imaginae. He thinks he's Enroute/Isee.

Now, I have a couple of reasons, but there are some major sticking points. Isee is implied to be behind the Omen Vanguards as well, as they emerged when Isee quit the Astral Express. If you're keeping count, that means that Asat Pramad (if he's Isee) is walking 5 paths now: Elation, Traiblaze, Destruction, Finality, and Voracity (according to the description of those clowns he makes). That's almost the amount of paths the Trailblazer is currently involved with, and the highest amount of any character. It seems a bit odd.

Now, for the facts I have a couple that don't really align. First off: In the new Improv Tour where he kills Ryusuke, it shows the backstory of Enroute and Isee. But you never see him as having purple hands and never see his full face, only necks and outlines of a chin (implying he's either disguised or wasn't a hand-man yet). That is, aside from one moment where Isee looked through the telescope to witness Nanook's ascension. But then we have another moment that's very important in the Improv Tour showing the past winners of the Phantasmoon Games: It's Isee, standing before Nanook. Now I forget the exact readable, but it's said somewhere that Nanook's chestwound was inflicted by the Elation. Before the Asat reveal, I figured this scene showed Isee using the Elation to wound Nanook. This is even referenced in the Aeon gossip trailer when Aha stabs Nanook in the chest for his golden blood. And in the new trailer it shows the tiny dice that Isee had, and it shows a single drop of golden blood (Said to be Emanator Level as shown in Amphoreus), falling onto the dice.

I think Isee created Asat Pramad. To what end, I do not know, but I strongly suspect that Isee is a separate entity doing his own thing. And one of the examples I have of possible creations (possibly when he still went by Enroute as a fool) is in Dovebrook District: Umbralle. A very odd Imaginae who notably lacks a head, and instead he has a floating umbrella there. His suit is also quite striking and he doesn't know why he was created either. He's just very involved in legal battles between the Fools and Imaginae.

We'll have to see, given that new large form is no doubt Asat's big Lord Ravager boss form, but I strongly suspect that he's a creation of Isee's, rather than the real deal. And I doubt he knows it.

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u/Ok_Confusion4764 — 7 days ago

Xipe's 3rd face: Trailblaze. The method of Stellaron delivery.

I've watched the new trailer regarding Asat a few times and a revelation came to me.

So, ever since I've accused Xipe of spreading the Stellarons and had gotten it right, see here: The Truth of Stellarons and Celenova the Ashes of Order. I've been asking myself a very simple question.

Why did Xipe only begin the spreading of Stellarons at 2147 AE? After all, Xipe had existed since around 1500 AE. Which is around the time when the Swarm Disaster ended. So what changed? Why couldn't they deliver Stellarons prior to 2147 AE?

Well, after something like the 10th viewing of the new trailer, it finally hit me. There were 3 documented events that happened very closely to each other. The fall of Akivili, the rise of Nanook and the spread of Stellarons secretly by Xipe. After thinking about it, I've came to the conclusion that it is not at all unreasonable to link these three events together.

Ergo, even without knowing the exact details of what happened, the change in Xipe's behavior would've probably originated from one of the other two events. So which one triggered Xipe's actions? Well, I would actually eliminate Nanook from this equation and focus solely on Akivili. Why? Because I've noticed that Harmony and Trailblaze actually have a glaringly problematic point that overlaps with Xipe.

The Fatal Overlap.

So, what is the overlapping issue that is between Akivili and Xipe? Well, the following is from the first stanza for the Odes of Harmony.

https://preview.redd.it/t4up2nd040ah1.png?width=594&format=png&auto=webp&s=499595f05da8739492fd3913b8281cdc8eaef600

The world is in harmony and the stars shine bright.
Praise the Lord! All are connected and the winds of blessing breathe across the lands!

And what is it that we do when we arrive in every new world?

https://preview.redd.it/u2wjed5l60ah1.png?width=834&format=png&auto=webp&s=1db759a21b6f0f072d836bc1a433a5fe842f8af5

Explore, understand, establish, and connect.

https://preview.redd.it/p5kslrxa70ah1.png?width=888&format=png&auto=webp&s=4d8c64d2d9f5ae016e6fc966422f126f73486c6a

The Path of Trailblaze could arguably be reduced down to a narrower idea of Harmony as a lot of what Trailblaze does is to make connections and therefore, universal unity. All core principles of Harmony and it was one bad accident away for Xipe to over take the Akivili.

https://preview.redd.it/95pw6h2qa0ah1.png?width=750&format=png&auto=webp&s=582c71e770159d0f9960c78a556d01593ab40d74

But hold on, before any of you say something to this effect: "Just because a concept in these two Paths overlaps, it doesn't mean Xipe could've ate Akivili. There are plenty of other Aeons with similar concepts that doesn't eat each other. Like Preservation and Remembrance or Abundance and Propagation."

https://preview.redd.it/vple10isd0ah1.png?width=854&format=png&auto=webp&s=db6785d5477994aaa649fd679d93d9fadc0cbe4c

And I would begin by pointing out that Abundance and Propagation did not existed at the same time in history. Then there is Preservation and Remembrance which I would argue that they actually cannot collide because of what their Paths are. Preservation's Primum Mobile is most likely purely about the Preservation of things, so it would be antithetical for Qilipoth to end the existence of another Aeon or Path. Then there is Fuli who I suspect cannot change anything of the present because THEY can only ascend at the end of the Universe. And so, looking at the remaining Aeons and looking at Xipe THEMSELF, I would say that this method of killing an Aeon is actually only applicable purely to Xipe and the Path of Harmony because the whole concept for Harmony is assimilation. This idea of assimilation had been brought up time and time again with some of the most recent one with A Letter from an Apostate.

https://preview.redd.it/do7cbgdrg0ah1.png?width=871&format=png&auto=webp&s=c3daedae1027dd3c81f9210f85790f896e956bfc

Now, again I would emphasize that normally, Paths that shares one or two overlapping concepts would probably not devour each other. But this is Xipe that we're talking about, and Aeon who already have tasted fellow Aeon flesh (This is a metaphoric joke, don't go yelling about how Xipe may or may not have actually ate Ena.) and I wouldn't put it past THEM to do it again.

With that out of the way, we continue with why would consuming Akivili allow Xipe to begin chucking out Stellarons? Well, consider this: What if Xipe had Stellarons ready to go but no way of transporting them? Yes, I'm suggesting that by consuming Akivili, Xipe gained access to the mass delivery of Stellarons via the Silver Rails that the Express had laid.

The Great hijacking of Trailblaze.

The Silver Rails, the greatest legacy of Akivili which connected the universe together. Nowadays, anyone can use it to travel to anywhere where the tracks have connected. But here's the thing, although anyone can use it, they still have to travel by using their own spacecraft. What am I trying to say with this? Well, if someone from The Family were to have transported Stellarons by carrying them as luggage, then Stellaron disasters always happens whenever there are Family members nearby, wouldn't suspicion naturally fall to the Harmony for the cause of Stellaron disasters?

So how to avoid that issue? Well, by taking hold of the power of Trailblaze so THEY can send out Stellarons in a much more stealthy and quick way. Something like imbuing the Stellarons with some Trailblazing energy so they can fly out on their own.

But that is not to say that ALL Stellarons are sent out via this method. The Family sometime still use the carrier method as they once made Gopher Wood deliver one as punishment.

https://preview.redd.it/t9tmc8q4c0ah1.png?width=1535&format=png&auto=webp&s=d2a737e5fc53ca9cc99fa5bcba79769ac328cafe

Ending Notes:

  1. Didn't know where to put this but the description of Trailblaze encompasses really suspicious wording like the "Countless shooting stars" and "It will carry your wish to thousands of distant worlds." Both phrases can be substituted as Stellarons and how Xipe is now chucking them.

https://preview.redd.it/x64l1g3ak0ah1.png?width=846&format=png&auto=webp&s=320022fe35cd0404777ac5a3c596a883852cef7f

Then there is the number 3 imagery that is here. It brings Xipe to mind but this could just be nothing but a coincidence.

  1. The reason why I don't like that Beauty is one of Xipe's faces is because although Melustanin is one of the first Stellaron sites and the place where Idrila ascended,

https://preview.redd.it/kc2epfy6l0ah1.png?width=850&format=png&auto=webp&s=08bd474ae4794fbea5875f4ad96db2aab9f55bb0

This doesn't seem so significant to me at all. Pom-Pom's wording already begin undermining the idea by saying it's "one of the initial sites" as in not the sole origin point of the Stellaron disasters. Then there is the fact that it is said that Idrila felled at Lafcadio, which I don't see any reason why Melustanin's Stellaron disaster would affect Idrila at Lafcadio. That's like saying someone was born in Britian but a great fire broke out there and that someone then died in America because of the fire at their homeland. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

Then there is the improbable nature of TWO Aeons falling in the same AE and one was born.

  1. I've also been thinking of a visual metaphor for the Stellarons stopping interstellar travels near it and I've come up with this:

https://preview.redd.it/n41yqiltn0ah1.png?width=577&format=png&auto=webp&s=6d6a8780ba8733de08dc69caaeeda41729fa3f1a

A Stellaron is considered as a stranded train or vehicle blocking traffic. So one would actually need to remove it or try and travel off or in a different tracks to avoid it.

  1. Expanding on my reversi analogy from the last theory.

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u/MiyukiAkibara — 8 days ago

The importance of Asat Pramad in the lore and his future (4.3 spoilers)

Read the TLDR pls

One thing I would like explored more is just how important Asat Pramad/Isee is to the overarching lore surrounding Akivili's fall and Nanook's ascension, as everything we have so far is speculation.

Out of every character we've been introduced to, Asat Pramad is uniquely positioned as one of the only known potential eyewitnesses to both events. He was present on Adlivun during Akivili's fall and likely remained there through the birth of Nanook. That alone makes him arguably the single most valuable source of information regarding one of the larger gaps in knowledge thus far.

He would also be one of the few people to visit Adlivun, which is also critical to the story, as it is the location of both the fall and birth of an Aeon and is referenced by Lygus to contain information to destroy Nous.

If the theory that Akivili and Nanook are actually the same being has any truth to it, then Asat Pramad would be the most likely to know. He would have witnessed the transition firsthand. Conversely, if Akivili and Nanook are completely separate entities, he would also be one of the few characters capable of disproving that theory. He could even have had a hand in both events. Regardless, his perspective is likely the missing piece that connects these two pivotal moments in history.

The speculation:

Asat Pramad began as a follower of the Trailblaze before embracing the Destruction (he was already leaning toward destruction, but at the time it didn't exist).

The interesting theory is that he directly caused the fall (murder) of Akivili on Adlivun, and the fall of an Aeon being so significant and catastrophic that it was what allowed Nanook to ascend (forcefully creating the destruction path), not the fighting of the propagation and Rupert's forces. Given Nanook's appearance, it would also be interesting if his wounds were Akivili's from Isee's betrayal before "his" ascention. This would make him the "first lord ravager," given that he would have killed an Aeon and created one simultaneously. This also does not mean that Akivili is Nanook, but rather Nanook took Akivili's corpse as a vessel.

The other, less interesting theory is that if he witnessed Akivili's fall and Nanook's birth, his change in allegiance may have stemmed from his belief that the path of trailblaze itself had transitioned to destruction or destruction adjacent. If Akivili had "become" the Aeon of Destruction in his eyes, then following Nanook would have been the natural continuation of following Akivili or simply bandwagoning to the destruction.

Timeline-wise, this would mean he would have caused the death of fellow lord ravager Zulo, which wouldn't make sense logically unless he was feeling guilty immediately after (he might have done it for shits and giggles). This could also open up a potential redemption arc in 4.X.

This opens up his potential return toward the Trailblaze. The Trailblazer (MC) is repeatedly associated with Akivili, with many hints pointing to them as Akivili's successor, or perhaps even a reincarnation. Seeing the MC as Akivili could have altered Asat Pramad's previous understanding of both the trailblaze and destruction (maybe elation too), which may cause another change in heart from either guilt or a type of enlightenment (a thread exploring this topic here).

Beyond that, Asat Pramad's connections extend far beyond Akivili and Nanook. He's tied to the Trailblaze, Destruction, Elation, Voracity (Stealing from Oroborous, giving Ashveil his shadow), Abundance (Shuhu, Fulwish), the Finality (vanguard omens) and maybe even the Propagation if he was fighting them on Adlivun (one could almost draw parallels to the MC with how many paths he has encountered and influenced). If anyone is positioned to reveal the truth behind the relationship between Akivili, Nanook, and Aha's involvement in these events, it's him. It would also be interesting if he did end up joining us and returning to Adlivun (At this point, its gauranteed we visit that planet, given how many lore connections it has).

By the end of Version 4.0, I wouldn't be surprised if Asat Pramad ends up being the character that answers what actually happened on Adivilun in addition to other events; his lore is likely to be the deciding factor. I also think that he won't be killed due to his importance regarding these events.

I wouldn't even be surprised if he somehow had the knowledge to help cure Firefly (propagation) if he did join the Trailblaze crew, due to her condition being similar to the weathering curse (another topic which no one has talked about so far that I'm aware of).

TLDR: Isee/Asat Pramad has either been directly or tangentially related to every single major event from the fall of Akivili (potentially killed him) and the rise of Nanook to the current story. He also has ties/influence in 6 paths (Elation, Trailblaze, Destruction, Voracity, Finality, Abundace) with the potential of being an eminator in 3 (Elation, Trailblaze, Destruction). He is too important to kill without major lore drops and may join/ally with the Astral Express crew, could cure Firefly and take down Polka, given that they have similar MO's and strengths.

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u/Pow3r_Usage — 8 days ago

Asat Pramad and the fifteen year old plan to destroy the trailblaze

Today we saw quite an interesting trailer in my opinion, it entailed Asat Pramad telling us about his life, from the start in the tavern to his current “occupations”. Aside from being a “backstory” reveal (which it wasn’t, it was already revealed in 4.3) I think what is much more interesting is his apparent ultimate motivation for doing what he’s been up to the last patch, but also for everything he did 15 years ago and maybe even as far back as the cindearth era.

To start this little theory I first want to take stipulate what exactly we saw that is so interesting in my opinion. The line of dialogue I want to centre around is: “So, look forward to these seeds I’ve sown for a wonderful show of true elation. Just imagine, the nameless setting off again yet they push the Trailblaze to it’s demise… What a splendid joke!”

We can gleam a few things from this: a) Asat Pramad is not simply a lord ravager against the elation but is a lord ravager who inflicts destruction through the act of elation as a rule he does not deviate from. b) Asat wants to destroy the path of the trailblaze. c) He plans on doing this by making the nameless destroy themselves in a sense a la Phantylia.

Aside from this I also want to use another piece of promotional material to lay the foundation of my theory, namely the text on the second image.

It’s vague and cryptic but here is what makes most sense based on the existing context: the crash site refers to the initial crash site of the express in Graphia’s era. A stellaron heard someone’s wish for the express to be reignited, which did happen. All this did happen on the condition of the trailblaze meeting with another path eventually and that meeting resulting in the fall of someone or something.

This paints a pretty clear picture to me, which I find excitingly satisfying. Himeko was the one who made the wish to the stellaron, consciously or unconsciously (maybe manipulated by Asat), for the express to take flight again. We were confused for a while how Himeko got the express working again, the assumption held for a while that she used the power of winning the phantasmoon games for it but last version we learned she used up all her wishpower to defeat the herald of death, leaving every supplicant either dead or without any wishpower, so no winner was selected that year.

She didn’t use the phantasmoon’s power to get the express working again, but the stellaron’s. And which path is linked to the stellarons? Yes, the harmony. But more importantly the destruction! The wish to get the express working again came with a price, namely that the trailblaze will meet with the destruction again and that leading to the demise of the path and / or Himeko herself. The one speaking “personally bring your journey… its end” is likely Asat I think. This foreshadows our imminent showdown against him next patch.

So, what was that all about watching the astral express take flight once again only for it to push the trailblaze to its demise? Well, exactly this. Asat learned from Graphia that the Murata bloodline is closely linked to the trailblaze. the members of the family have an inseparable bond to the path. He used that information to take Ryusuke’s place and basically “groom” Himeko into wanting to become the navigator one day. It was all planned that the bloodstained games would end in no winner that year, so Himeko would be forced to wish upon the stellaron in her hour of need.

That resulted in the express taking flight again, but on a condition. Namely the one that they would one day meet with the destruction and go up in flames when doing so. Power lent needs to be give back someday after all.

This is what I think is the current predicament were in and what gives Asat such a major advantage. As he said in his final speech of 4.3: “For fifteen years, it was I – Asat Pramad – who delivered every promise of beauty to this arcadia in advance. Now, please indulge in these long overdue surprises” This does not simply refer to the peace he granted Planarcadia, but the prosperity of the express too. All this “positive” karma is his to cash back in now. And he does not plan on playing nice.

u/TaxoLikesCalcium — 10 days ago

Oroboros devoured the entire universe and we are living in THEIR stomach

Just gonna liven up this sub with an idea I've been itching to get out. (Art by Azuriel)

Herta extrapolates in the Swarm Disaster SU that the divine warfare between Tazzyronth and Oroboros destroyed two thirds of the universe. Two thirds... I've always thought that figure was a bit... well, convenient? We know how the history fictionologists like to operate, with their masterful half-truths and "good enough" explanations.

Could Mythus and THEIR followers be obfuscating a mind-shattering truth about the nature of the HSR universe? That Oroboros actually didn't stop at two thirds and, true to THEIR name as the Unsatisfied Devourer of Worlds, swallowed the entire universe into their gaping maw? In this light, both the lie the history fictionologists spread (that Oroboros vanished 'to the edge of the cosmos") and Ruan Mei's belief that Oroboros just died are both technically correct at the same time.

If the HSR universe is simply Oroboros' stomach, then they have "died" as an Aeon because they are no longer able to influence what is going on inside their stomach. They are simply digesting. And they have also technically disappeared to the edge of the cosmos, just with the vital omission that their stomach lining IS now this edge of the cosmos

And there are two things in that paragraph I just wrore that link us directly to Asat's plot in Planarcadia.

  1. Oroboros cannot influence what's going on in their stomach.
  2. They are digesting something within this universe

Let's deal with 2 first. I think we all know at this point that this 'something' is none other than Wishpower, right? Many are the theories that the Elation is keeping the Voracity at bay by drip feeding THEM with endless wishpower with the aid of the abundance. This duty seems to be changing Aha, with stories of THEM becoming infatuated with Oroboros' blood and greedily sucking at it until THEIR head is chomped off. This balance is clearly teetering on a knife's edge and Asat knows well how to exploit it for his own goal: the death of the Elation.

One of the stories of Enroute basically spoils Asat's plot. We have bunch of fools who were devoured by a Leviathan, and fell to their deaths. Just kidding, they didnt die. What they found within the Leviathan was an "entirely new world itself". They basically toured around inside the Leviathan like it was some kind of theme park, only for them to eventually reach its heart. With one kick to it the Leviathan vomits them all out. We can pause this fable here because that is Asat's plot to "revive" the "dead" Aeon of Voracity, collapsing Elation as a path.

To force them to vomit out the universe THEY devoured, thereby returning "from the edge of the cosmos" to once again influence this world. Perhaps the IPC wants that too, on behalf of Qlipoth. I'm not sure how useful THEIR wall really is with Oroboros' gastric lining serving as the true World's End.

Now that I think about it, Asat Pramad may still be the Trailblazer Isee at heart. If the world's end is Oroboros stomach, what lies beyond it? Should we except THEM as the boundary, or do whatever it takes to find out for ourselves? Maybe that's why Asat was so disappointed in Graphia, she who chose Sanctuary over Discovery.

P.S. Talking about universes getting secretly consumed, we still have that scene in the Deliverance trailer of Evernight devouring Amphoreus that never came to pass. I think that canonically did in fact happen and we're missing memories again Penacony-style (either thanks to her or the Head of the Garden).

u/Milky-Cheese — 11 days ago
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Besides power what does Nanook do for Asat ?

With the latest video on Asat Pramad its very clear that he was already moving like a lord ravager without a Nanook existing.

He was orginally a good person who wanted to save the Universe or his own planet at least. First he looked to the Elation since he believed it would be the answer since he thought its a path of happiness. Turns out that it is happiness without caring about the consequences, not so good when it comes to saving people.

After which he boarded the express while Akivili was still active and thought he would find his answers across the stars. Spoiler alert humans suck everywhere and after seeing the other members of the AE beakdown after akivilit disappeared he was broken him mentally. He then proceeded to destroy the Astral Express by navigating them into situations which would lead to its members dying.

All of this happened before Asat met Nanook and maybe even before Nanook even ascended. Idk if Asat had already planned to crash the AE into planarcadia before Nanook but the rest of the events happened pre-Nanook

So besides raw power via emanator status does Asat gain anything from Nanook ?

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u/fallensense — 10 days ago

Asat Pramad has been following us since the very beginning of the game

So, this might be very crack theory but I need to know other people's thoughts on it.

So, there's an NPC on Jarilo-VI called Julian of Thousand Faces. We've met him during the main storyline when we were playing hide and seek with Hook and her gang. The strange thing about him is that he can shapeshift and he refuses to reveal how exactly he can do it.

There's also a furboo on Planarcadia called Joolyon of Thousand Faces. Very similar names, isn't it? I don't think it is an accident plus furboos are famous for their ability to shapeshift into anyone and anything.

But how a furboo could end up on Jarilo-VI? And are Julian and Joolyon the same person or they're just connected with each other somehow.

Well, I'm not ready to answer this question, so let's forget about them for now. Let's switch to another person who can shapeshift and has some sort of a mention about "Thousand Faces" — Sparkle. This is where we're starting to connect all of these weird things to Asat Pramad.

When we first arrive on Planarcadia March mentions the famous thing about the first person we meet on each planet and right after that we face Sparkle. (Yes, technically the first person we see on Planarcadia is Evanescia but I think we could count both Acheron and Misha as these first persons with earth-shattering secrets on Penacony and both Memo (Cyrene) and Phainon on Amphoreus).

Not to mention Sparkle also tries to impersonate Lygus who was trying to raise an emanator of Destruction. And Asat Pramad is also an emanator of Destruction. So this little joke from Sparkle might be a little hint from developers or just an irony from Asat Pramad.

Later in 4.3 quest March (March again) points at Sparxie calling her Asat Pramad. This also played as a joke of March being a little silly and jumping too quick to conclusions and that the contraption March was using to make this conclusion was working wrong but listen, every joke has greater meaning in it, especially on Elation's planet.

So we have Asat Pramad who can shapeshift, be at different places at the same time and live a life of another person for years. And we also have four persons who shares the same abilities (and a motif of Thousand Faces) — yeah, I personally think that Julian and Joolyon are the same person. Asat Pramad could impersonate a furboo to get close to Nihilux who has deep connections to Elation and supposedly is Aha THEMself.

As for Jarilo-VI. Well, we have Sampo there who is most likely an emanator if Elation, Asat Pramad might wanted to get close to him. Plus back on Penacony Sparkle bewares him about the calamity coming on Jarilo-VI. But how could she know? Maybe it's her (or rather Asat Pramad's) another self who gave her an intel.

I'm sorry if it's hard to read because of my bad English and overall craziness of this theory but I have this in mind for a long time already and I have never seen someone talk about it so I desperately need to know what could others think about it.

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u/Classic-Housing7955 — 12 days ago
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Nihilux Identity

Hear Me Out!

Nihilux is clearly guiding the trailblazer path from the very first moment we step on planarcadia.

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Some coincidence that definitely didn't connect her to the Elation.

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- On the very first cutscene, we are likened to a "comic strip"

- The very first "villain" we encounter is a furbobo (definitely a coincidence)

- Us "coincidentally" inheriting the furbobo news (another coincidence definitely)

- Our first meeting with Nihilux just happened as she introduced a "mecha alloy pompom souvenir" (definitely not a foreshadowing)

- Nihilux just happened to "give" us a light stick that is definitely not related to any elation (another coincidence)

- Nihilux just happened to first saw Asat Pramad wispae disguise (definitely another coincidence)

- Foreshadowing fake and real himeko as she just happened to went outside and just happened to bypass IPC guards to warn us

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**From this clues and her mourning motifs, and her title in her promotional post "**Origin Aha, Strictest Mother of Aeon" — I can proudly say that SHE is the crying baby that made Aha ascend. Because what do you mean you won't even grant Emanator status to the one who made you ascend? What do you mean you are "Aha's Mother", the origin of elation? Have you heard of Zandar not having Emanator Status? Of course not...

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u/Fukaziroh_ — 14 days ago

I think this line by Ashveil goes deeper. What if AKIVILI discovered They would become the Fourth Path of FINALITY and ultimately turned away from Their own Path, causing Their fall themselves

u/Easy_Direction_6076 — 9 days ago