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If you didn't know, even if the paths in game are also a way to make us spend a lot at some points, HSR tries its best to make it relevant to the story.

... More relevant to the story than the descriptions of the paths lmao, because the moment Nihility that was supposed to be Debuffs had 2 Harmony like characters we know that it's very likely to be flexible for the gameplay.

BUT FOR THE LORE, it's actually still interesting, as long as the path is in game

First obvious example is Fugue: Tingyun is a character deeply into the Harmony, tied to the Luofus (Hunt)and was forced down the path of destruction. Her being a nihility shows the fact she's lost.

The same can be said about Silverwolf: In her original form she's restrained, unable to show everything she has. She wants to go beyond the limits, so she's more passive, staying on the sideline. And Silverwolf 999 shows when she's at her peak and her ambitions

Another example is Dan Heng Permansor Terrae: it shows his strong desire to look after the Crew. He's their shield.

And now for Blade... 4.1-4.2 brought up the idea that Blade will be directly linked to death.

My theory is that after 4.2, Blade will be finally capable of dying, but will choose/be forced to not die.

Maybe because of his ties to the Stellaron hunters and the fact he can't leave them, but that would indeed still make him indeed lost for a while.

What are your thoughts about it?

I've seen a lot of people being upset about how she looks younger so here's a theory on why I think this isn't the Himeko we know now, and instead (fitting with the preexisting themes in planarcadia) a past Himeko from 15 years ago.

First of all, we know that Himeko was supposed to die a long time ago from Graphia's lineage curse. We also know that Himeko won the games 15 years ago, but she's never really recognized as a winner (and you would think she'd be really famous after only 15 years + the Fluffy and AE's popularity, but it hasnt been mentioned. Himeko was able to get rid of the curse somehow, and thus our first thought would be that she used Aha's minute of power to rid herself of the curse, but a Graphia descendent tried that once before and it didn't work, so how did she do it?

I believe Himeko, in line with Planarcadia's themes of duality/separate selves (Sparxie, Ashveil, SW999+Blade), split herself into two somehow (whether by manifesting a second self, splitting herself, or any other form of this). One part of Himeko went onto the AE and became the Navigator we all know and love, and the other part remained behind in Planarcadia, sealed within the 'World In Canvas'. This is how she survived as the curse didnt progress within the world in canvas, since we know Graphia (who lived thousands of years ago) is alive in there since Evanescia tells us that. We also see parallels with Eva being sealed in the Phantasmoon courtyard + her immortality, and only waking during the games (aka a rush of wishpower). This other part, whos dormant in the World In Canvas, is Himeko Nova.

My 4.4 prediction is that Himeko will parallel Fulwish, a fellow survivor, by drawing attention and wishpower to herself as a protector/hero/former winner, which she will funnel into Himeko Nova, creating a manifestation of Planarcadia's people. Himeko Nova's splashart has a lot of the symbols of Planarcadia's protectors, such as the Magical Girl Squadrons and the mecha (which both represent the past/future of Planarcadia, duality again). Her hair dissolves into stars at the ends too. Himeko Nova, as a true symbol of hope and perseverance for Planarcadia, will defeat whatever big bad we're gearing up for with the combined power of all of Planarcadia channeled into this hero. This parallels Fulwish who left Planarcadia once (just like Himeko) and returned (like Himeko) but was too betrayed by Planarcadia, thus creating the monster we battled in 4.2. Himeko, however, instead of having fake friends that tricked her, had a real family, and was able to overcome her past and channel Planarcadia's star hero in Himeko Nova.

I was looking at the readable Flyer for The World in Swarm Disaster: Rebuilding Order Book Series*,* which talks about the aftermath of the swarm disaster. There’s one passage in it called “THEY Said, We Shall Divide Everything Evenly” that actually gave me chills. I know it sounds dramatic but it changed how I saw HooH.

The stii people are already done for. The swarm has eaten everything edible, exhausted everything usable, and left them stranded in this barren city. Then HooH appears out of nowhere and just says:

"not yet"

Suddenly people begin moving in perfect order and proceed to burn every building in sight. No one seems aware of what they're doing while their surroundings are being reduced to ashes.

But apparently burning the city isn’t enough for HooH, so they repeat “not yet” and everyone starts setting themselves on fire. Somehow even that still isn’t enough so HooH repeats it a third time. The city sinks into the planetary mantle, everyone's souls collapse inward, and several amber eras later, the planet is reduced to a black hole:

“Calm, silent, the same within as it is without.”

The final line here really captures what equilibrium is at its endpoint: perfect balance through total erasure. Other aeons bring destruction as a result of THEIR path. Nanook destroys because THEY view existence itself as a mistake. Oroboros devours everything to feed THEIR endless hunger. Tayzzyronth propagates until life collapses under the swarm. But with HooH, THEY'RE not malicious in the usual sense.

The stii people were stranded and probably prayed for the aeons to save them. So when HooH appears and declares "not yet" for the first time it feels like their call was finally answered. And for a second, you think THEY meant you're not dying yet but it turns out to be the complete opposite.

The phrase becomes more unsettling every time HooH repeats it because each calamity seems like the breaking point. You'd think the city burning down and people setting themselves on fire would be more than enough, but it's not. Instead THEY keep going until what's left of the planet is a black hole collapsing endlessly.

What makes the scene especially disturbing is not just HooH’s indifference, but the hollowness behind it. There's no sense of reward, punishment, or satisfaction you can immediately pick up on. HooH does not appear to want anything from the devastation which somehow makes it worse. Aeons are already impersonal in nature but most paths still have a human thread running through them. Preservation has the instinct to survive, erudition has the desire to know, harmony has the longing for unity, even nihility and finality can be understood through despair and inevitability.

Equilibrium on the other hand feels unreachable because there's no obvious emotional foothold. It simply demands balance even when the result is total erasure.

Lethe River is literally the enigmata river🪼, I hope they finally explain Mythus involvement in Planarcadia and his relationship with Aha, the last time Oroboros was seen, it was swimming in a red sea (Enigmata).

I remember seeing a theory of the Trailblaze's star rail tracks being built from the tracks left behind by Long the Permanence. The bottom left corner of Himeko • Nova's splash art from the EN account seems to resemble a dragon's back? Is this too much cope lol

Dan Heng PT character story IV:

"He felt as if he was back on the speeding Astral Express.

He watched as the Express ventured into the vast unknown, blazing trails never traveled before.

In the endlessly stretching path through space, he saw a giant dragon soaring through chaos.

It once slumbered in its egg, until one day it emerged in rebirth.

It met others of its kind, sharing the same bloodline and path.

It stirred vast spirit waters, bringing rain and nourishing all living things.

It upheld the earth of gold and stone, protecting the eternal prosperity of all nations...

Its path still winds toward the future.

War's flames licked its scales, and from that heat, it shed its old scales time and time again, gaining rebirth.

Then, together with the express, it leaped toward the future."

Aha is such a troll lmao, Becoming the Aeon of elation permanently means becoming one of Aha's masks. They are not a single entity, they are composed of masks, Becoming them permanently means becoming the 8th mask

We could argue that the Mc becoming the main stage of a story is a bad thing because it feels more like wish fulfillment than actual story, but I think I am mostly ok/happy with how the TBs journey went. I'll explain my pov on their role through the entire story so far before Planarcadia (a little bit of Planarcadia), and then I'll come back to my only problem, related to one of my latest posts. It's related to the Hero within.

So let's first start at the Space Station. Kafka tasted the Trailblazer to embark on a journey with the Nameless.

But... They don't know what the Path of the Trailblaze means, and what they must do to represent it.

We arrived at Belobog where they didn't play a major role in general. At the end, they simply coincidentally got the Lance of Preservation, becoming a proper shield for everyone, and leading to Cocolia's defeat.

Then there was the Xianzhou Luofu where, again, they didn't play a major role, following Welt and March in general: it was Jing Yuan and Dan Heng the main focus (with Jing Liu and Blade as well).

And then we finally arrive at Penacony. After witnessing 2 full journeys with the Astral Express, the Trailblazer finally is at ease, expressing more of their unhinged personality. And they almost play the main role: Firefly, the main push of the story by her nature as a Stellaron Hunter, pushes the Trailblazer to find the Watchmaker's legacy, so they can finally be seen as a part of the nameless by being the one DECIDING to take this role, and finally be a full fledged member of the Nameless.

It's at this moment, where Xipe gazed at the Trailblazer, that for me they were now officially a Nameless. They expressed their opinion, and stood themselves against their opponent, who was Sunday, and managed to start changing their mentality.

They still weren't the protagonist exactly, but we were getting close to the role Dan Heng had in the previous places for example. The Trailblazer makes choices, adapt their fighting style to their opponent after having been changed by their stories.

And then... We had Amphoreus.

A place where March supposedly wouldn't go, and Welt, Himeko, Sunday and Black Swan wouldn't go first. And since Dan Heng prefers to be the shield of the express, he cannot be the one leading this expedition. So the Trailblazer became the true leader of this story.

... A bit against their will because they were simply supposed to scout and then contact the others. But still.

And having matured from their multiple expeditions, it was time for them to show what their vision of the Trailblaze is.

And, what a coincidence, this world, like many others, cruelly needed the Trailblaze to come here. Especially the Trailblaze because of Lygus.

The Trailblazer then fed everyone, but especially Phainon and Cyrene with the idea of the Trailblaze, showing by their actions what it meant, for Phainon in 3.3 to grasp the idea of it in his last message before entering the vortex of Genesis.

The Trailblazer acted as the main character, or more like the ambassador or the representative of the Trailblaze in this story. Which is very great.

And even if them, becoming the new Deliverer and then Kephale, can be a bit sad if we love Phainon and wanted him to be Kephale, it makes sense. The Trailblazer had to take the central stage to spread this path on this place to save it. So it still makes sense. They carve a path for others to follow. They are the one carving it, which was the result of their first 3 expeditions.

So... If we look back at it, even if it feels like TB was a bit too much on the spotlight, I think that actually it is pretty tame, and logical, and then, by their actions, representing this path like others did in the previous expeditions, it is very fitting and enjoyable. They even start debating about these ideas in the next planet afterwards with Planarcadia when they talk about Elation.

My main problem that I had with their journey is... Their experience and actions led them to this place, but we learnt that the reason the Trailblazer managed to save Amphoreus was because there was a role shaped exactly like them with the Hero Within.

It is not just the Trailblaze that was required, but specifically the Trailblazer.

I think that, even if the Hero Within is created from Cyrene being fond of the idea of the Trailblaze in the future, it would feel more interesting if she kept only the image of the Trailblaze, and not the whole Trailblazer.

Dan Heng, by his very protective role and his desire to not be the center of the stage, wouldn't be able to take this role, even if they represent the Trailblaze, and the TB could still take it everytime. Not because they ARE, but because they acted to show it.

That would mean that if Himeko was on Amphoreus, or Welt, or even PomPom or Mikhail, they could have been the one helping Phainon and all theoretically. But it would have been the best trial to finally exposé the Trailblazer's growth.

Phainon would need someone to represent the Trailblaze. Not Someone specifically. And the Trailblazer, having matured from their journey, would prove to be worthy.

Yes, in the story TB would always be worthy because of Timeloop and all. But I find it more interesting to see a door with a locker, and even if you'll eventually become the key to open it, you work to make it happen, instead of you simply being the key and "needing" no effort.

I think this was an additional level of glaze on the TB that was absolutely unnecessary. Because if you look at their journey from the start it was 0% necessary. Let them work to be worthy of it instead of saying they were always meant to be worthy. Even if both leads to the same outcome, the way to reach it tells something else: one says that they were always fitting for the job, and the other says they proved themselves.

I hope this made sense. I like the TB's journey so far and I mentioned a few times in the past, but still, I can't overlook even months later the problems I had with the unnecessary glazing of the second half of Amphoreus that didn't need to be peak anyways. It neither served the TB really perfectly, nor did it serve the main stars of this arc.

Don't hesitate to share your thoughts

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At exactly 1:19, a male voice speaks "And if the hands of fate choose to lead this world towards destruction".

I don't know why but I think when I heard the word Destruction it sounded very similar to Phainon's va when he says destruction. Please let me know what your thoughts are. This if true, could be a big lead in the Phanes - Phainon - Kevin theory.

PS: I am so not over Amphoreous ... heartwarming story my ass. I love my titans soo much.

Pictures gotten thanks to u/Careful_Cobbler2348

Evanescia got a weird rating. Not that she didn't get Invalid despite being remarked as an Emanator, that has happened before with Evernight for instance, its that she didn't get a rating at all. The rating shown in the screenshots is her Participation Number. To explain every Elation character so far has gotten two pairs of numbers, the rating for themselves and then a number correlating to their Participation Number in the Aha Instant. It is consistent with all released Elation characters(Yao Guang, Sparxie, SW999). So much so that when SW released and her second number didnt correlate to her Participation ID, it then got patched later to be 999.

Evanescia however, only got one rating which is her Participation Number. Thats interesting. It didnt confirm or deny her as an Emanator but rather decided to not comment on it all all. For the reasoning why, I can only speculate. My mind comes to what Asat Pramad said about her, how she was a branch of wood. Is this referring to how her main body is the Panarch Elwood and this is just her avatar? Her voicelines confirms that her current body is an Imagenae.

> A long time ago, people would whisper their deepest secrets to the Ambrosial Arbor that fell into Planarcadia, tying red strings of prayer to its branches... Thanks to the masks of The Laughter, the Wishpower of the mortal realm imagenated me into who I am now: the Guardian of the Phantasmoon Games. To be honest, sometimes even I am afraid of my own power, but isn't that how it always goes in comics? You've gotta conquer your dark past to experience true growth~

So that could be it, though note just being Imagenae isn't enough as Sparxie got a proper rating despite being one. It also could relate to her original personality, the golden eye Swordsinger. Either of these are my current theories about it all. What do you think?

The History Fictionologists are described as Emanators enlightened by Aeons, but their actions suggest they are not merely followers of Mythus, but survivors of other Paths. This posits that they are "Path Strays" who realized that the power granted by an Aeon is actually a cosmic shackle.

. Gallagher’s Insight: Paths as Curses
During the Penacony arc, Gallagher (himself a "fiction" constructed by a History Fictionologist) offers a cynical view of the universe. He suggests that Paths are essentially curses once you step onto one, your destiny is narrowed, and you are forced to act according to the Aeon’s will until you lose your "self."

• The Connection: If Paths are curses, then being an Emanator is the ultimate stage of that curse. To a History Fictionologist, an Emanator of the Preservation or the Hunt is a prisoner of a "sad and rigid path," unable to deviate from their programmed intent.

. The Great Defection
This suggests that many History Fictionologists were once high ranking Emanators of Paths like The Erudition or The Order, etc...
• Having reached the peak of "Objectivity" or "Logic," they saw the end of the road: a universe where everything is calculated, predictable, and therefore, dead.
• To "save the worlds," they betrayed their original Aeons. They didn't just change jobs, they became "Path Traitors" who embraced The Enigmata specifically to break the "curse" of their previous certainty.

. Fabricating the "Unseen" to Break the Curse
If a civilization knows its history perfectly, its future is "doomed" because it will always follow the same trajectory. By using their power to "fabricate, obscure, and erase", these renegade Emanators are performing a cosmic surgery.
• By injecting "Enigmata" (Mystery) into a world's timeline, they are effectively lifting the curse of the Path.
• They create a "fog" that allows a civilization to step off the pre determined rails and find a "new possibility" that even the Aeons couldn't predict.

The Price of Freedom
This explains why they travel alone. To be a History Fictionologist is to live as a ghost. Like Gallagher who is a patchwork of 52 different people they have given up their original identities (their "original Paths") to become a mystery. They believe that only in the unknown can true free will exist.

The History Fictionologists are "enlightened" because they saw the "truth" of the Aeons and found it suffocating. They follow Mythus not out of simple worship, but because The Enigmata is the only "Path" that allows them to fight back against the rigidity of the universe, turning a "sad, rigid path" into a sea of infinite uncertainty .

¡Hola a todos! Antes de empezar, quiero aclarar que esta es la segunda vez que publico aquí. Ya he comentado que trabajo con la traducción al español y he notado un detalle recurrente: a veces, la localización al español "estropea" cosas sin querer porque carecemos de una forma neutra de referirnos a ciertas entidades.

En inglés, se puede usar "they" para los Eones, pero en español, los Caminos tienen géneros impuestos, como "La Armonía" (femenino), "La Reminiscencia" (femenino) o "El Enigma" (masculino).

Por eso, creo que hay indicios "accidentales" en la versión en español. Por ejemplo, en la versión 3.6, Evernight se refería a los Niños Puros como "partes de Fuli". (Entiendo que en inglés no se les llama explícitamente "partes" ni "fragmentos"). Para mí, esto sugiere que en una futura trama, todos los Niños Puros podrían fusionarse para formar a Fuli, lo cual tendría sentido si se inspiran en los 6 u 8 chakras.

En fin, aquí están mis dos preguntas/teorías principales del capítulo 4.2:

1. ¿Quién es el "amigo" del Sr. Meanie?

Cuando el Sr. Meanie menciona tener un "amigo", la versión en inglés es de género neutro. Sin embargo, la traducción al español usa "amigo" (masculino), especificando que esta persona es hombre. Esto me lleva a dos posibilidades:

Posibilidad A: Se refería a sí mismo como Asat Pramet. Sin embargo, no creo que esto tenga mucho sentido, porque después de que Silver Wolf lo derrota en la torre de radio, se revela que es Asat Pramet, y antes, ese tipo del "Pac-Man sonriente" ya se había autoproclamado la Luna del Phantomoon. Así que, en general, lo he descartado.

Posibilidad B (Mi teoría principal): El amigo es Ryuusuke. Hay varias cosas sospechosas sobre él: nunca descubrimos si realmente obtuvo el "elixir", está cubierto de vendas y esos oscuros rumores de la versión 4.0 aún no se han explicado.

Lo más interesante es que, en el libro "Apreciación del trabajo de Ryuusuke (Parte 2)", se menciona que deja monumentos en memoria de civilizaciones extintas. ¿No es eso casi exactamente lo que vimos hacer a Asat Pramet en el vídeo de presentación de Devastator? No estoy diciendo que Ryuusuke sea Asat Pramet, pero es probable que estén relacionados.

2. ¿Fue el Expreso Astral o el Satélite de Himeko?

Gracias a la Burbuja de Memoria en la escuela, sabemos que Fulwish sobrevivió porque se escondió bajo un armario, rezando y preguntándose qué haría Himeko si se encontraba con el Heraldo de la Muerte. Esto confirma que Himeko no estaba en la escuela cuando ocurrió el incidente.

Mi hipótesis: ¿Pudo Himeko haber sido quien se enfrentó al Heraldo de la Muerte en la ciudad?

Miren esta leyenda de Planacardia:

"Según los relatos de los supervivientes... presenciaron un intenso rayo de luz en el cielo, seguido de un rugido tremendo... Luego, un brazo gigante descendió desde arriba, estrellándose violentamente donde se encontraba el Heraldo de la Muerte... y el gigante desapareció sin dejar rastro."

El texto dice que primero apareció un rayo de luz, seguido del gigante. Sabemos que cuando el Express viaja, la luz y la teletransportación ocurren simultáneamente. Para mí, tiene mucho más sentido que el "rayo de luz" fuera en realidad el ataque orbital del satélite de Himeko (su Habilidad Definitiva), y que el "brazo gigante" que se ve caer fuera el propio satélite o una construcción mecánica similar de hace 15 años.

Me encantaría saber qué opinan sobre estos puntos. ¡Espero que mis comentarios sobre las diferencias de traducción no me hagan ganar una "linchadura" por parte de los puristas del lore!